There will NOT be an Ukranian Peace Deal

[Contumacious]

DO you know why UKRAINE has no nukes?
DO YOU KNOW why America made the no nukes deal happen?
DO YOU THINK ITS OK for us to back out, After we said we would have there back?
Is it in our best interest to make deals and then back out when things get tough?

The Trilateral Agreement did NOT include a proviso specifying that that the US would turn Ukraine into a CIA Colony !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Trilateral Process: The United States, Ukraine, Russia and Nuclear Weapons | Brookings

When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, Ukraine had the world’s third largest nuclear arsenal on its territory. When Ukrainian-Russian negotiations on removing these weapons from Ukraine appeared to break down in September 1993, the U.S. government engaged in a trilateral process with Ukraine...

www.brookings.edu

There is NO EVIDENCE that Putin sought to annex Novorossiya prior to December 2013.

In December 2013 the Obama-Biden Administration started the Maidan Revolution

In February 2014 Obama-Biden removed duly elected Ukranian President Viktor Yanukovych and turned Ukraine into a CIA Colony

Putin demanded FOR 8 years that Ukraine status as a neutral buffer zone be restored

Obama-Biden installed CIA Puppet Poroshenko as the New Prime Minister

The ethnic Russians in Novorossiya objected and demanded independence from Ukraine

The CIA declared the ethnic Russians domestic terrorists and a genocide ensued

Putin accepted Novorossiya as part of Russia.

 

[otto105]

How much money did the Bidens get from Ukraine? Hint: $millions

Hilarious


Silo news

 

[Contumacious]

How much free speech do they have in Crimea?

A lot more than we did during the Biden Junta.

Didn't you see the NBC article?

 

[otto105]

The Trilateral Agreement did NOT include a proviso specifying that that the US would turn Ukraine into a CIA Colony !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Trilateral Process: The United States, Ukraine, Russia and Nuclear Weapons | Brookings

When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, Ukraine had the world’s third largest nuclear arsenal on its territory. When Ukrainian-Russian negotiations on removing these weapons from Ukraine appeared to break down in September 1993, the U.S. government engaged in a trilateral process with Ukraine...

www.brookings.edu

There is NO EVIDENCE that Putin sought to annex Novorossiya prior to December 2013.

In December 2013 the Obama-Biden Administration started the Maidan Revolution

In February 2014 Obama-Biden removed duly elected Ukranian President Viktor Yanukovych and turned Ukraine into a CIA Colony

Putin demanded FOR 8 years that Ukraine status as a neutral buffer zone be restored

Obama-Biden installed CIA Puppet Poroshenko as the New Prime Minister

The ethnic Russians in Novorossiya objected and demanded independence from Ukraine

The CIA declared the ethnic Russians domestic terrorists and a genocide ensued

Putin accepted Novorossiya as part of Russia.

Pravda news post ^^^^^^

 

[rightwinger]

Do you think that Ukraine is going to be able to push Russia out of all the occupied territories, including the Crimea? Yes or NO.

Was Vietnam able to push us out?
How about Afghanistan?

Eventually, we just left

 

[Contumacious]

Pravda news post ^^^^^^

YO DINGLE BERRY

Is the Brookings Institute part of Pravda ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

 

[otto105]

YO DINGLE BERRY

Is the Brookings Institute part of Pravda ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

The Brookings Institution article isn’t the Pravda news part.

 

[kyzr]

Trump is rewarding Putin for his invasion and war crimes

You tell us what the perfect peace deal should look like.
Hint: The war continues unless sanctions on Russia stop, unless Russia keeps the ground it occupies, including Crimea, and Ukraine can never join NATO. Start from there.
Then tell us what Putin will say to it.
Then tell us how much money you want to keep throwing at Ukraine's endless war, money we'd need to borrow.

 

[otto105]

You tell us what the perfect peace deal should look like.
Hint: The war continues unless sanctions on Russia stop, unless Russia keep the ground it occupies, including Crimea, and Ukraine can never join NATO. Start from there.
Then tell us what Putin will say to it.
Then tell us how much money you want to keep throwing at Ukraine's endless war, money we'd need to borrow.

The US and Allies massively sanction all Russian assets and force them out of all Ukraine territory and the immediate entry into NATO for country.

That is how one deals with Russian aggression. Not “waiving a peace paper” in defeat.

 

[rightwinger]

You tell us what the perfect peace deal should look like.
Hint: The war continues unless sanctions on Russia stop, unless Russia keeps the ground it occupies, including Crimea, and Ukraine can never join NATO. Start from there.
Then tell us what Putin will say to it.
Then tell us how much money you want to keep throwing at Ukraine's endless war, money we'd need to borrow.

There ya have it
Russia gets everything, Ukraine gets nothing
Russia pays no price for its unprovoked attack

I would offer Crimea and a third of captured territory. Sanctions will gradually be lifted over a five year period

If Russia refuses? I would make Ukraine a NATO member in a year. I would make it clear that NATO and the US will continually provide equipment to kill Russians in occupied territory

 

[sartre play]

Because they gave their nukes up via the Budapest memorandum. for security guarantees.

Budapest Memorandum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Non Proliferation Treaty

We gave Z a shot at a peace deal, he said no, he wants to keep Crimea, that is his decision to keep fighting, we are clear.

We've done more than our share. Now its up to the EU to put up or shut up.

I agree that the EU needs to step up, but I don't see how that takes us off the hook?
There is something about the CRIMEA Geography, that I cant quite bring to mind.
THINK its a CRITICAL ELEMENT.

 

[Correll]

Was Vietnam able to push us out?
How about Afghanistan?

Eventually, we just left

The Vietnam War lasted almost twenty years. And it was a guerilla war. This is not that.


Afghanistan was also a guerillar war.


You are pointing to guerilla wars to support your belief that Ukraine can win, when they are fighting a completely different type of war.


That's a very weak case to support your optimism.

 

[kyzr]

There ya have it
Russia gets everything, Ukraine gets nothing
Russia pays no price for its unprovoked attack
I would offer Crimea and a third of captured territory. Sanctions will gradually be lifted over a five year period
If Russia refuses? I would make Ukraine a NATO member in a year. I would make it clear that NATO and the US will continually provide equipment to kill Russians in occupied territory

Risky. So Putin says no deal, keep fighting. You make Ukraine a NATO member, and that starts WW3.
Trump doesn't want to start WW3. Trump wants out of Ukraine as cheaply as possible. I agree with that, if Russia gets some land in Ukraine, so what? Its not worth US kids nor US dollars.

 

[kyzr]

I agree that the EU needs to step up, but I don't see how that takes us off the hook?
There is something about the CRIMEA Geography, that I cant quite bring to mind.
THINK its a CRITICAL ELEMENT.

Crimea is the same as it always was. Its where "The Charge of the Light Brigade" took place.

Crimea - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Charge of the Light Brigade - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[rightwinger]

Risky. So Putin says no deal, keep fighting. You make Ukraine a NATO member, and that starts WW3.
Trump doesn't want to start WW3.

Putin cannot even beat Ukraine
NATO would destroy him

He knows better than start WWIII

 

[kyzr]

Putin cannot even beat Ukraine
NATO would destroy him
He knows better than start WWIII

You nor I know how Putin would react to NATO forces in Ukraine.
If he uses tactical nukes then what?
He warned NATO to stay out of Ukraine, that is his redline.
So you want to admit Ukraine into NATO and put NATO troops in Ukraine, that is your optimum solution?
That reminds me of Putin's saying "play stupid games, win stupid prizes".

p.s. do you know how many nukes Russia has? Do you know what an Oreshnik hyper-sonic (Mach-10) missile is?

 

[otto105]

Risky. So Putin says no deal, keep fighting. You make Ukraine a NATO member, and that starts WW3.
Trump doesn't want to start WW3. Trump wants out of Ukraine as cheaply as possible. I agree with that, if Russia gets some land in Ukraine, so what? Its not worth US kids nor US dollars.

Let’s go ahead and make Russia rubble again.

 

[Man With A Plan]

A. tRump hasn't done anyting with the price od oil. That's OPEC wanting so fast cash.

B. as fast as he can so he can finish with Ukraine and move on to Poland or somewhere else.

A. tRump hasn't done anyting with the price od oil. That's OPEC wanting so fast cash.

B. as fast as he can so he can finish with Ukraine and move on to Poland or somewhere else.

Poland is a member of NATO. Putin won't be "moving" on to them or any other NATO country...claiming he will is ignorant!

 

[Man With A Plan]

A. tRump hasn't done anyting with the price od oil. That's OPEC wanting so fast cash.

B. as fast as he can so he can finish with Ukraine and move on to Poland or somewhere else.

Trump passed 3 EO's almost as soon as he was sworn in dealing with energy. If you listened to a real news station you'd know that, Crepitus!

 

[Crepitus]

Poland is a member of NATO. Putin won't be "moving" on to them or any other NATO country...claiming he will is ignorant!

Claiming he wont is ignorant.