Unfortunately the populace has been force fed a binary look on life. Anything outside of that mindset simply cannot exist. You are correct, all of the "isms" are simply tools and can be interchangeable and used at will to enforce whatever the "ruling" elite want enforced at any given moment in time.You state their so called intentions I state the reality of their executions. Which by the way were in the millions.You people do realize that communism, socialism and fascism are all variations of the same mindset. They all require tyranny to survive and all seek to enslave all but the very few.You people do realize that communism, socialism and fascism are all variations of the same mindset. They all require tyranny to survive and all seek to enslave all but the very few.Communists are they only ones to have purges?The communists were the ones who eliminated "enemies of the people" on ideological grounds.Spoken as only a true fascist can speak.
No, that is not what fascism is. The word is Italian in origin. (Start halfway down the page)
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Sez you. I say he won. I trust me more than I do you. End of story.He lost.View attachment 444471
Please let's not get into discussions of semantics and hair splitting. I mostly agree both with what you say and the definition quoted. The exceptions being that the "definition" is so ambiguous that it could mean almost anything or nothing. The actual form of government is rarely the form claimed by either the government or anybody else and is likely to be in constant flux. The actual government is likely to some combination of all those you mention with some unique variations. Social ownership however is no more than a pleasant fantasy as I said.Socialism is not really a form of government, but just one little aspect of government.Government controls production to the extent it is able. Socialism is a form of government. Social ownership is a myth sponsored by government propaganda in an attempt to convince people they have some kind input into decisions. Just a little feel-good lie. How exactly much ownership or control does a field hand on a farm have over the production of steel?From Wikipedia. As you can see, sources are referenced.Untrue terms. Doesn't matter who controls production. What matters is who controls government. Government does indeed control production to the extent it thinks possible.
All forms of government vary in the number of people who control the government and to what extent the government controls the People. And that is the primary difference between systems of government. A king, a dictator, a Pope, a commissar, a committee, a President all can be benevolent and good for the People or true asshoes and bad for the people they theoretically serve. About the only real difference is how quickly they tend to become tyrannical and need to be replaced.
Socialism is a political, social and economic philosophy encompassing a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership[1][2][3] of the means of production.[4][5][6][7][8][9] It includes the political theories and movements associated with such systems.[10]Social ownership can be public, collective, cooperative, or of equity.[11]While no single definition encapsulates many types of socialism,[12]social ownership is the one common element.[1][13][14] Socialists disagree about the degree to which social control or regulation of the economy is necessary, how far society should intervene and whether government, particularly existing government, is the correct vehicle for change.[15]
Socialism - Wikipedia
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All socialism means is that government is allowed to be involved in or regulate production.
Like public schools, public health care, public utilities, child labor laws, trust busting, etc.
The actual form of government, such as democracy, theocracy, aristocracy, tyranny, etc., is not at all indicated by is it is socialist or not.
That's not altogether true. Whether a virus is allowed to spike or drawn out does not determine the total number of people who will catch it over a period of time because viruses do not just "go away" once there it is there indefinitely and there is no reason to believe that someone who avoided the disease early on won't catch it later on. The value of a vaccine is also questionable because it remains to be seen if it will be a factor given the time and quantity delays and unknown effectiveness and safety. By the time a person has an opportunity to take the vaccine they may have already been exposed or the virus which may have mutated for better or worse but possibly rendering more or less effective or ineffective.Obviously if you force any trivial illness to last FOREVER, you can deliberately cause ANY illness to harm as many people as you want. But then don't blame the illness, when you deliberately cause it yourself.22 million people infected with possible long term health and organ damage is not trivial. You are way behind on the research.It obviously is NOT 5 times worse than the flu. The 2 numbers are R0 infection rate and lethality, both of which are about the same for transient flus. The R0 value is about 2, and the lethality is about 0.15%.Too bad Trump waited months to tell us it was five times worse than the flu. He fucked it up bigley.Our economy declined because blue state governors put the country on lockdown, putting 370,000 small businesses OUT of business, putting MILLIONS on the unemployment lines. UNTIL Trump was illegally removed from office. Now all of a sudden, blue state governors and mayors want business back up and runningOur economy declined because of Trumps failures to address covid
In fact, even now the totally death toll from covid-19 is only 0.07%.
It is less than trivial.
You think people don't also cheat in sports where there is so much less to gain? Naïve. But thanks for your permission. Trump won.The real story starts when we have a new, legitimate resident in thr White House. You can say Trump won all you want. If he won, he wouldn’t be leaving.Sez you. I say he won. I trust me more than I do you. End of story.He lost.View attachment 444471
Please let's not get into discussions of semantics and hair splitting. I mostly agree both with what you say and the definition quoted. The exceptions being that the "definition" is so ambiguous that it could mean almost anything or nothing. The actual form of government is rarely the form claimed by either the government or anybody else and is likely to be in constant flux. The actual government is likely to some combination of all those you mention with some unique variations. Social ownership however is no more than a pleasant fantasy as I said.Socialism is not really a form of government, but just one little aspect of government.Government controls production to the extent it is able. Socialism is a form of government. Social ownership is a myth sponsored by government propaganda in an attempt to convince people they have some kind input into decisions. Just a little feel-good lie. How exactly much ownership or control does a field hand on a farm have over the production of steel?From Wikipedia. As you can see, sources are referenced.Untrue terms. Doesn't matter who controls production. What matters is who controls government. Government does indeed control production to the extent it thinks possible.
All forms of government vary in the number of people who control the government and to what extent the government controls the People. And that is the primary difference between systems of government. A king, a dictator, a Pope, a commissar, a committee, a President all can be benevolent and good for the People or true asshoes and bad for the people they theoretically serve. About the only real difference is how quickly they tend to become tyrannical and need to be replaced.
Socialism is a political, social and economic philosophy encompassing a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership[1][2][3] of the means of production.[4][5][6][7][8][9] It includes the political theories and movements associated with such systems.[10]Social ownership can be public, collective, cooperative, or of equity.[11]While no single definition encapsulates many types of socialism,[12]social ownership is the one common element.[1][13][14] Socialists disagree about the degree to which social control or regulation of the economy is necessary, how far society should intervene and whether government, particularly existing government, is the correct vehicle for change.[15]
Socialism - Wikipedia
All socialism means is that government is allowed to be involved in or regulate production.
Like public schools, public health care, public utilities, child labor laws, trust busting, etc.
The actual form of government, such as democracy, theocracy, aristocracy, tyranny, etc., is not at all indicated by is it is socialist or not.
in a ball game, the one with the trophy is the one who won.
Terror attack? Do you know the definition of the word?Steve Schmidt said it so eloquently. There will be no unity with seditionists.
After their terrorist attack on the country, unity is only possible with accountability. That's the only way moving forward. Not only is accountability imperative, it is necessary if we are to hold onto this Democracy. If the Right thinks this country is simply going to sweep this terrorist attack under the rug, think again.
That he was murdered.What's the lie? He was murdered.When will democrats stop lying about the officer that died?
Officer Sicknick's family wants people to stop making his death political & cause of death unknown
Officer Brian Sicknick died Wednesday night after being injured during the riot in the Capitol. It’s become a political flashpoint. According to ABC News, the family has had enough and asked that the public and the press stop making his passing political. Authorities believe a medical condition...www.independentsentinel.com
The WHO has become just another fake news/propaganda outlet.Theres a reason you flunked out of biology. You dont know what youre talking about. The WHO disagrees with you.Nonsense.This is also ignorant.Wrong.Most people get a flu shot to keep it from spiking. People who don't are unprotected. Many viruses never go away. HIV is still here.That is very ignorant because if you wear masks and social distance to "flatten the curve" with flu as well, you can prevent the spike and force to stick around FOREVER.It's not 300,000. Get a fucking clue; This Is How Many People Die From the Flu Each YearYou have proven you can't do simple math.Out of all the lying, ignorant posts I have read on here, yours is at the top of the list.Actually presidents have ZERO authority or jurisdiction over health care matter.The lockdown was a result of Trump's denial and lies over covid. Had he gone a different way, people would have been more prepared. They weren't and they died.Our economy declined because blue state governors put 4he country on lockdown, putting 370,000 small businesses OUT of business, putting MILLIONS on the unemployment lines. UNTIL Trump was illegally removed from office. Now all of a sudden, blue state governors and mayors want business back up and runningOur economy declined because of Trumps failures to address covid
And ACTUALLY, although I dislike Trump, he was right about covid-19.
Fauci first claimed it had a lethality of 10%, then 1.8%, and later we found out it was 0.15% only. which put is about the same as seasonal flu.
So then why did 300,000 die?
It as because Fauci goofed and tried to "flatten the curve".
That has never ever ended any epidemic, and fact it prevents the early spike, which is what normally end all epidemics.
So Fauci forced the epidemic to keep going, not stop, and last forever.
Which is why to many died.
If instead we had let it spike in March, then herd immunity would have ended the epidemic in March, saving 260,000 lives.
Trump had intel going all the way back to January 2020 and called it the new Democrat hoax, comparing it to the Russia hoax. That's fact number one. Fact number two, he had an interview with Bob Woodward telling Bob that the Coronavirus was five times worse than the flu. And he never told us until the audio came out.
Now, here's where your post really gets into some stupid territory. OMG! I can't believe I read that.
So then why did 300,000 die?
It as because Fauci goofed and tried to "flatten the curve". You fucking idiot. Do you realize how stupid that is? In your previous sentence you said it was "about the same as the seasonal flu." "It's because Fauci goofed and tried to flatten the curve, that has never ended a pandemic. "Which is why too many died". You idiot, you just admitted it wasn't like the flu, and on top of that, Trump said it was five times worse than the flu.
Seasonal flu kills about 30,000 people a month.
If you prevent it from ending, and make it last 10 months, that is 10 times 30,000.
Guess what?
That is 300,000.
Overall, the CDC estimates that 12,000 and 61,000 deaths annually since 2010 can be blamed on the flu. The higher number reflects the particularly harsh 2017-2018 flu season. Most years, the US death toll from the flu is closer to 34,000 to 43,000. Globally, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year.
The reason we do not normally have annual flu for more than a month is that herd immunity kills it off after it spikes. If you prevent the spike by flattening the curve, then it will NOT go away. It will stay FOREVER!
Flu can live in humans.
It is endemic to humans.
We can never get rid of it.
No vaccine is very effective.
Most people do not get a flu vaccine, and the ones who do can still spread it.
But covid-19 is zoonotic, and can only live permanently in bats.
It can not live in humans.
It is not endemic to humans.
But if we keep "flattening the curve", and keep covid-19 around long enough, then we will breed a variant strain that can live in humans.
It is a matter of time.
So we can not afford to keep "flattening the curve".
We have to end it and get rid of it QUICKLY.
"But if we keep "flattening the curve", and keep covid-19 around long enough, then we will breed a variant strain that can live in humans.
It is a matter of time. "
Regardless of if we keep flattening the curve it will become endemic. At this point its here to stay. Only the vaccine is going to help now.
No zoonotic pandemic has ever become endemic to humans.
Not SARS, MERS, Avian flu, etc.
It takes hundred of years, if not thousands, before a zoonotic cross over from animals can evolve to something that can survive in humans.
Will COVID-19 Be Around Forever?
Experts say that COVID-19 could become endemic and circulate in the population longterm. Here is what experts say about our future and new normal.www.verywellhealth.com
provide us stats that show different.Sorry, you make a really weak case. You’re wasting a lot of time arguing like a teenager. You spin things and parse words but offering nothing of substance.Tyrannical governments all eventually break down an hence anarchy. Look at the rise of the Russian mafia after the decline of the UssR. Look at the disaster in Serbia.Heartily agree with most of that, but not the first sentence. Total government control and anarchy are polar opposites.Which according to the last sentence sounds like a recipe for anarchy. Hence my skepticism about any of these utopian ideas. We have far more evidence of their failures than any of their successes.
There will be no "unity" until every single communist shit is executed.Steve Schmidt said it so eloquently. There will be no unity with seditionists.
After their terrorist attack on the country, unity is only possible with accountability. That's the only way moving forward. Not only is accountability imperative, it is necessary if we are to hold onto this Democracy. If the Right thinks this country is simply going to sweep this terrorist attack under the rug, think again.
If unity comes at the cost of tyranny I wouldn’t want to live in that world either. Can you people ever think in a reasonable manner. Maybe if you looked at others as fellow human beings we would have a better world.There will be no "unity" until every single communist shit is executed.Steve Schmidt said it so eloquently. There will be no unity with seditionists.
After their terrorist attack on the country, unity is only possible with accountability. That's the only way moving forward. Not only is accountability imperative, it is necessary if we are to hold onto this Democracy. If the Right thinks this country is simply going to sweep this terrorist attack under the rug, think again.
The only way to rid the world of communists is extermination.
Mueller said you are full of shit.Boy howdy, did you pick the wrong one to debate that; Senate committee backs intelligence agencies' findings that Russia meddled in 2016 electionHow?All of Trumps intelligence agencies concluded Russia helped Trump get elected. Where is your evidence it is totally fake?I am not at all a Trump supporter, but I agree that whole Russian collusion story was totally fake.Russian Collusion? Duh? You assholes made that up! You PAID foreign nationals to pretend it was real! Your liberal media pushed a story that was totally fabricated! Liberal politicians like Adam Schiff declared they had proof it happened and then provided NOTHING! Entrenched swamp creatures like Clapper, Brennan and Comey took part in one lie after another to our courts! What allegations am I talking about? You've got to be kidding!20,000 plus confirmed lies by Trump. What phony allegations are you talking about?Who spent four years spewing phony allegations, MadDog? Actually, make that four and a half years because liberals in this country were spewing phony allegations about Trump before he even took office! Russian collusion? Talk about a crock!Better yet, let’s get back to a time when an orange Prez didn’t spend 4 years spewing phoney allegations to mindless worshipper.You get "mobs" when people feel like they've been screwed! If you REALLY want unity in this country then it's time to bring confidence back to our electoral process. We're in this situation because literally millions of Americans think the other side "stole" an election. If you REALLY want to fix what's wrong it's not difficult. We need to go back to secure elections...where people vote in person with a valid ID or they vote with an absentee ballot that they've requested be mailed to a valid address. If you want "mail out" ballots because you think they give your side an advantage in elections...then you deserve it when mobs coming knocking at your door! Just saying...
None of the US intelligence agencies ever suggested how Russia could have influenced the election.
All they did was show evidence that Trump people met with Russians.
That does not mean the Russians then did anything of any consequence.
Any claim that any intelligence agency showed evidence that Russia actually effected votes is just lying.
There is no evidence of that.
But nice try to switch wording around trying to get me to prove a negative, which everyone knows can't be done.
Better luck next time.
Yes, 17 intelligence agencies really did say Russia was behind hacking
Trump said Clinton and the United States had “no idea whether it is Russia, China or anybody else.”www.usatoday.com
What they did of consequence was to set the stage for corruption by Trump, the likes this country had never seen before.
Trump's people met Russians to get dirt on Clinton. They were colluding with a foreign adversary.
And by the way I said this; All of Trumps intelligence agencies concluded Russia helped Trump get elected. Where is your evidence it is totally fake? I never said anything about votes. You planted that lie. Nice try. Better luck next time.
If you want to lock horns with me about Russia or the election, you're going to lose. Next?
Link to your data?It will take years to achieve herd immunity and cost millions of lives to get there.There is no evidence that any flu vaccine ever prevented infection serious enough to still spread it.well there you have it. Blatant fabrication. According to the CDC, for 2019-20, flu vaccine was 40-60 effective, and prevented 7.5 million illnesses. Now two COVID vaccines have 95% efficaciousness. To put it another, vaccines have a failure rate that is 8 - 12 times the failure rate of COVID vaccines.The flu vaccines have essentially no effect on how many cases there are.
They only reduce the symptoms.
I only had the flu once in the last 40 years, and I never had a flu vaccine.
There is essentially no difference between an epidemic and a pandemic, since with a pandemic, each country it is in sees it only as an epidemic.
Pandemics are just a factor of modern travel, and has nothing to do with the pathogen really.
Injection or infection? I’ll take injection.
there have been about 3000 instances of likely serious adverse reactions. Care to compare that with the number of adverse reactions to COVID.
And now that I think of it, what do the flu and polio have to do with it.
That means you just felt better, not that you were not a carrier.
The point is that if we had allowed covid-19 to spike in March, then herd immunity would have wiped it out then, not only would there be no need for a vaccine now, but 270,000 lives would have been saved.
Flu and polio show that in the past, herd immunity is what ended all epidemics, not vaccines or flattening the curve.
Please stop posting bullshit.
This is the thinking of a horribly troubled individual. People like this idiot are the true threat to the USA, not communists.There will be no "unity" until every single communist shit is executed.Steve Schmidt said it so eloquently. There will be no unity with seditionists.
After their terrorist attack on the country, unity is only possible with accountability. That's the only way moving forward. Not only is accountability imperative, it is necessary if we are to hold onto this Democracy. If the Right thinks this country is simply going to sweep this terrorist attack under the rug, think again.
The only way to rid the world of communists is extermination.
Besides Bernie and AOC.I do not know any communist's that are involved in mainstream US politics.
They are not communists. They do advocate socialist reforms in the US. The US already has socialist programs, Social Security, Medicare, Police Department, Fire Department etc. Whenever a countries need is socialized.Besides Bernie and AOC.I do not know any communist's that are involved in mainstream US politics.
McConnell would not allow witnesses in the Senate. You are not a very persuasive Liar.Democrats admitted the 1st Impeachment was politically partisan and that they did not need crimes, evidence, or witnesses...which they did not have.Two impeachments prove they were not phony. But ha, who cares what your alternate universe tells you.Democrats were so distracted by phony Impeachment they never saw it coming...until too late...That is fine.The fastest way to herd immunity is to increase the number of people who are immune. With vaccines, we can do that a lot faster and avoid millionths of deaths. COVID has no idea how you got your immunity - by injection or by infection. If given a choice, I’d rather get my immunity by injection.Wrong.Most people get a flu shot to keep it from spiking. People who don't are unprotected. Many viruses never go away. HIV is still here.That is very ignorant because if you wear masks and social distance to "flatten the curve" with flu as well, you can prevent the spike and force to stick around FOREVER.It's not 300,000. Get a fucking clue; This Is How Many People Die From the Flu Each YearYou have proven you can't do simple math.Out of all the lying, ignorant posts I have read on here, yours is at the top of the list.Actually presidents have ZERO authority or jurisdiction over health care matter.The lockdown was a result of Trump's denial and lies over covid. Had he gone a different way, people would have been more prepared. They weren't and they died.Our economy declined because blue state governors put 4he country on lockdown, putting 370,000 small businesses OUT of business, putting MILLIONS on the unemployment lines. UNTIL Trump was illegally removed from office. Now all of a sudden, blue state governors and mayors want business back up and runningOur economy declined because of Trumps failures to address covid
And ACTUALLY, although I dislike Trump, he was right about covid-19.
Fauci first claimed it had a lethality of 10%, then 1.8%, and later we found out it was 0.15% only. which put is about the same as seasonal flu.
So then why did 300,000 die?
It as because Fauci goofed and tried to "flatten the curve".
That has never ever ended any epidemic, and fact it prevents the early spike, which is what normally end all epidemics.
So Fauci forced the epidemic to keep going, not stop, and last forever.
Which is why to many died.
If instead we had let it spike in March, then herd immunity would have ended the epidemic in March, saving 260,000 lives.
Trump had intel going all the way back to January 2020 and called it the new Democrat hoax, comparing it to the Russia hoax. That's fact number one. Fact number two, he had an interview with Bob Woodward telling Bob that the Coronavirus was five times worse than the flu. And he never told us until the audio came out.
Now, here's where your post really gets into some stupid territory. OMG! I can't believe I read that.
So then why did 300,000 die?
It as because Fauci goofed and tried to "flatten the curve". You fucking idiot. Do you realize how stupid that is? In your previous sentence you said it was "about the same as the seasonal flu." "It's because Fauci goofed and tried to flatten the curve, that has never ended a pandemic. "Which is why too many died". You idiot, you just admitted it wasn't like the flu, and on top of that, Trump said it was five times worse than the flu.
Seasonal flu kills about 30,000 people a month.
If you prevent it from ending, and make it last 10 months, that is 10 times 30,000.
Guess what?
That is 300,000.
Overall, the CDC estimates that 12,000 and 61,000 deaths annually since 2010 can be blamed on the flu. The higher number reflects the particularly harsh 2017-2018 flu season. Most years, the US death toll from the flu is closer to 34,000 to 43,000. Globally, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year.
The reason we do not normally have annual flu for more than a month is that herd immunity kills it off after it spikes. If you prevent the spike by flattening the curve, then it will NOT go away. It will stay FOREVER!
Flu can live in humans.
It is endemic to humans.
We can never get rid of it.
No vaccine is very effective.
Most people do not get a flu vaccine, and the ones who do can still spread it.
But covid-19 is zoonotic, and can only live permanently in bats.
It can not live in humans.
It is not endemic to humans.
But if we keep "flattening the curve", and keep covid-19 around long enough, then we will breed a variant strain that can live in humans.
It is a matter of time.
So we can not afford to keep "flattening the curve".
We have to end it and get rid of it QUICKLY.
Vaccines are fine.
It is just that we should not have killed an extra 270,000 by waiting a year, when we could have ended it in March by just NOT flattening the curve, and maybe some accelerated variolation.
BTW...is this thread about COVID or Socialists purging Trump supporters?
Before Democrats authored Articles of Impeachment this time Pelosi gave an interview in which she confessed the reason for THIS Impeachment was to destroy Trump as a political threat in 2024 and beyond.
Both times Democrats have confessed to their crimes and treason. It's documented, officially recorded for posterity....BOTH of them ... Much like Biden's videotaped confession about bragging about extorting the former Ukraine PM.
They are not communists. They do advocate socialist reforms in the US. The US already has socialist programs, Social Security, Medicare, Police Department, Fire Department etc. Whenever a countries need is socialized.Besides Bernie and AOC.I do not know any communist's that are involved in mainstream US politics.
I am against too many socialist reforms in our government. I am against most policies advocated by Bernie and AOC. To fight those you need to use truth. To use lies and exaggeration turns most people off.
The truth should be what we use to stop the policies of Bernie and AOC.
Trumpsters feel they must lie to accomplish what they want. You do not need to lie.
Yes Steve Schmidt is an eloquent anti-American. The Left has lots of those folks.Steve Schmidt said it so eloquently. There will be no unity with seditionists.
After their terrorist attack on the country, unity is only possible with accountability. That's the only way moving forward. Not only is accountability imperative, it is necessary if we are to hold onto this Democracy. If the Right thinks this country is simply going to sweep this terrorist attack under the rug, think again.
I wonder how trump is going to leave DC on Wednesday....WAIT....WHO CARES!Yes Steve Schmidt is an eloquent anti-American. The Left has lots of those folks.Steve Schmidt said it so eloquently. There will be no unity with seditionists.
After their terrorist attack on the country, unity is only possible with accountability. That's the only way moving forward. Not only is accountability imperative, it is necessary if we are to hold onto this Democracy. If the Right thinks this country is simply going to sweep this terrorist attack under the rug, think again.
Marathon Mike is the anti-American one. The government and the majority of the population looks at you as anti-American. If you do not realize that now, you will soon.Yes Steve Schmidt is an eloquent anti-American. The Left has lots of those folks.Steve Schmidt said it so eloquently. There will be no unity with seditionists.
After their terrorist attack on the country, unity is only possible with accountability. That's the only way moving forward. Not only is accountability imperative, it is necessary if we are to hold onto this Democracy. If the Right thinks this country is simply going to sweep this terrorist attack under the rug, think again.
