There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming at an unprecedented rate. Human activity is the principal cause.

[mamooth]

When you've been reduced to reflexively shrieking "ANY DATA THAT CONTRADICTS MY RELIGION IS FRAUDULENT!" in response to science, as deniers do, then you're definitely part of a pseudoscience cult.

It's not pretty when cults die. Denialism is dying, after getting repeatedly bludgeoned by the hard evidence. We're seeing the hardcore acolytes here flailing about as the cult dies. They're scared. If the cult isn't around to tell them what to think, then what will they do?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The quick summary: Plymouth Rock was last moved in 1921, and it's regularly underwater at high tide now.

And everybody died.

 

[Billy_Bob]

When you've been reduced to reflexively shrieking "ANY DATA THAT CONTRADICTS MY RELIGION IS FRAUDULENT!" in response to science, as deniers do, then you're definitely part of a pseudoscience cult.

It's not pretty when cults die. Denialism is dying, after getting repeatedly bludgeoned by the hard evidence. We're seeing the hardcore acolytes here flailing about as the cult dies. They're scared. If the cult isn't around to tell them what to think, then what will they do?

SO why do you do it?

I just went to the NASA web site, I looked at the papers they are using as "evidence". Most have been withdrawn or retracted since publication. Why would a government agency use papers that have problems as evidence of anything? They do not state that these papers have problems or the conflicting empirical evidence that creates doubt. NASA is involved in outright deception. WHY? This is why appealing to any authority without looking at the facts is dangerous. For those who have no clue how to vet the lies, it is pure propaganda to drive an agenda. That is why appealing to authorities is always abject failure.

 

[Crick]

SO why do you do it?

I just went to the NASA web site, I looked at the papers they are using as "evidence". Most have been withdrawn or retracted since publication.

I call 100% AAAA BULLSHIT on that. Name some of these withdrawn papers. Give us a link to the specific NASA page you're talking about. Check your history if you need to.

Why would a government agency use papers that have problems as evidence of anything?

Why would you? Why would you use unpublished crap as evidence of anything?

They do not state that these papers have problems or the conflicting empirical evidence that creates doubt.

Likely because they have no such problems. I want some validation for claims like this. Why are there no links in this post?

NASA is involved in outright deception. WHY?

Because you are making all this shit up.

This is why appealing to any authority without looking at the facts is dangerous.

Show us why. LINKS LINKS LINKS

For those who have no clue how to vet the lies, it is pure propaganda to drive an agenda. That is why appealing to authorities is always abject failure.

LINKS LINKS LINKS LINKS LINKS LINKS LINKS LINKS LINKS LINKS LINKS LINKS LINKS LINKS

 

[Crick]

I call 100% AAAA BULLSHIT on that. Name some of these withdrawn papers.

Why would you? Why would you use unpublished crap as evidence of anything?

Likely because they have no such problems. I want some validation for claims like this. Why are there no links in this post?

Because you are making all this shit up.

Show us why. LINKS LINKS LINKS

LINKS LINKS LINKS LINKS LINKS LINKS LINKS LINKS LINKS LINKS LINKS LINKS LINKS LINKS

BILLY BOY,

I went to climate.nasa.gov/evidence/#otp_references and found the following list. Please identify the "most" of these papers that you found to have been withdrawn.

1. IPCC Sixth Assessment Report, WGI, Technical Summary.
   
   B.D. Santer et.al., “A search for human influences on the thermal structure of the atmosphere,” Nature vol 382, 4 July 1996, 39-46
   
   Gabriele C. Hegerl, “Detecting Greenhouse-Gas-Induced Climate Change with an Optimal Fingerprint Method,” Journal of Climate, v. 9, October 1996, 2281-2306
   
   V. Ramaswamy et.al., “Anthropogenic and Natural Influences in the Evolution of Lower Stratospheric Cooling,” Science 311 (24 February 2006), 1138-1141
   
   B.D. Santer et.al., “Contributions of Anthropogenic and Natural Forcing to Recent Tropopause Height Changes,” Science vol. 301 (25 July 2003), 479-483.
   
   T. Westerhold et. al., "An astronomically dated record of Earth’s climate and its predictability over the last 66 million years," Science vol. 369 (11 Sept. 2020), 1383-1387.
2. In 1824, Joseph Fourier calculated that an Earth-sized planet, at our distance from the Sun, ought to be much colder. He suggested something in the atmosphere must be acting like an insulating blanket. In 1856, Eunice Foote discovered that blanket, showing that carbon dioxide and water vapor in Earth's atmosphere trap escaping infrared (heat) radiation.
   
   In the 1860s, physicist John Tyndall recognized Earth's natural greenhouse effect and suggested that slight changes in the atmospheric composition could bring about climatic variations. In 1896, a seminal paper by Swedish scientist Svante Arrhenius first predicted that changes in atmospheric carbon dioxide levels could substantially alter the surface temperature through the greenhouse effect.
   
   In 1938, Guy Callendar connected carbon dioxide increases in Earth’s atmosphere to global warming. In 1941, Milutin Milankovic linked ice ages to Earth’s orbital characteristics. Gilbert Plass formulated the Carbon Dioxide Theory of Climate Change in 1956.
3. IPCC Sixth Assessment Report, WG1, Chapter 2
   Vostok ice core data; NOAA Mauna Loa CO2 record
   Gaffney, O.; Steffen, W. (2017). "The Anthropocene Equation," The Anthropocene Review (Volume 4, Issue 1, April 2017), 53-61.
4. Climate Monitoring | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)
   
   Temperature data (HadCRUT, CRUTEM,, HadCRUT5, CRUTEM5) Climatic Research Unit global temperature
   
   Data.GISS: GISS Surface Temperature Analysis (GISTEMP v4)
5. NASA GISS: NASA News & Feature Releases: NASA, NOAA Data Show 2016 Warmest Year on Record Globally
6. Levitus, S.; Antonov, J.; Boyer, T.; Baranova, O.; Garcia, H.; Locarnini, R.; Mishonov, A.; Reagan, J.; Seidov, D.; Yarosh, E.; Zweng, M. (2017). NCEI ocean heat content, temperature anomalies, salinity anomalies, thermosteric sea level anomalies, halosteric sea level anomalies, and total steric sea level anomalies from 1955 to present calculated from in situ oceanographic subsurface profile data (NCEI Accession 0164586). Version 4.4. NOAA National Centers for Environmental Information. Dataset. doi: 10.7289/V53F4MVP
   
   Global Ocean Heat and Salt Content
   
   von Schuckmann, K., Cheng, L., Palmer, D., Hansen, J., Tassone, C., Aich, V., Adusumilli, S., Beltrami, H., Boyer, T., Cuesta-Valero, F., Desbruyeres, D., Domingues, C., Garcia-Garcia, A., Gentine, P., Gilson, J., Gorfer, M., Haimberger, L., Ishii, M., Johnson, G., Killick, R., King, B., Kirchengast. G., Kolodziejczyk, N., Lyman, J., Marzeion, B., Mayer, M., Monier, M., Monselesan, D., Purkey, S., Roemmich, D., Schweiger, A., Seneviratne, S., Shepherd, A., Slater, D., Steiner, A., Straneo, F., Timmermans, ML., Wijffels, S. (2020). Heat stored in the Earth system: where does the energy go? Earth System Science Data (Volume 12, Issue 3, 07 September 2020), 2013-2041.
7. Velicogna, I., Mohajerani, Y., A, G., Landerer, F., Mouginot, J., Noel, B., Rignot, E., Sutterly, T., van den Broeke, M., van Wessem, M., Wiese, D. (2020). Continuity of ice sheet mass loss in Greenland and Antarctica from the GRACE and GRACE Follow‐On missions. Geophysical Research Letters (Volume 47, Issue 8, 28 April 2020, e2020GL087291.
8. National Snow and Ice Data Center
   World Glacier Monitoring Service
9. National Snow and Ice Data Center
   Robinson, D. A., D. K. Hall, and T. L. Mote. 2014. MEaSUREs Northern Hemisphere Terrestrial Snow Cover Extent Daily 25km EASE-Grid 2.0, Version 1. [Indicate subset used]. Boulder, Colorado USA. NASA National Snow and Ice Data Center Distributed Active Archive Center. doi: MEaSUREs Northern Hemisphere Terrestrial Snow Cover Extent Daily 25km EASE-Grid 2.0, Version 1. [Accessed 9/21/18].
   Learn
   Rutgers University Global Snow Lab, Data History Accessed September 21, 2018.
10. R. S. Nerem, B. D. Beckley, J. T. Fasullo, B. D. Hamlington, D. Masters and G. T. Mitchum. "Climate-change–driven accelerated sea-level rise detected in the altimeter era." PNAS, 2018 DOI: 10.1073/pnas.1717312115
11. Learn
    Pan-Arctic Ice Ocean Modeling and Assimilation System (PIOMAS, Zhang and Rothrock, 2003)
    Polar Science Center » PIOMAS Arctic Sea Ice Volume Reanalysis
    Polar Science Center » Projections of an Ice-Diminished Arctic Ocean
12. USGCRP, 2017: Climate Science Special Report: Fourth National Climate Assessment, Volume I [Wuebbles, D.J., D.W. Fahey, K.A. Hibbard, D.J. Dokken, B.C. Stewart, and T.K. Maycock (eds.)]. U.S. Global Change Research Program, Washington, DC, USA, 470 pp, doi: 10.7930/J0J964J6
13. http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/What+is+Ocean+Acidification?
14. Ocean Acidification
15. C. L. Sabine et.al., “The Oceanic Sink for Anthropogenic CO2,” Science vol. 305 (16 July 2004), 367-371
16. Special Report on the Ocean and Cryosphere in a Changing Climate, Technical Summary, Chapter TS.5, Changing Ocean, Marine Ecosystems, and Dependent Communities, Section 5.2.2.3.
    Technical Summary — Special Report on the Ocean and Cryosphere in a Changing Climate

 

[EMH]

In short there is UNEQUIVOCABLE proof that Co2 is not the cause of Earth climate change, since

THE DATA


is that Greenland froze while North America thawed


and hence Co2 was not the cause of EITHER and hence is NOT THE CAUSE OF ANYTHING


since it is also NOT WARMING THE ATMOSPHERE


There is an unequivocable need for humans to stop funding the Co2 fraud and understand Co2 has nothing to do with Earth climate change.

 

[Billy_Bob]

BILLY BOY,

I went to climate.nasa.gov/evidence/#otp_references and found the following list. Please identify the "most" of these papers that you found to have been withdrawn.

1. IPCC Sixth Assessment Report, WGI, Technical Summary.
   
   B.D. Santer et.al., “A search for human influences on the thermal structure of the atmosphere,” Nature vol 382, 4 July 1996, 39-46
   
   Gabriele C. Hegerl, “Detecting Greenhouse-Gas-Induced Climate Change with an Optimal Fingerprint Method,” Journal of Climate, v. 9, October 1996, 2281-2306
   
   V. Ramaswamy et.al., “Anthropogenic and Natural Influences in the Evolution of Lower Stratospheric Cooling,” Science 311 (24 February 2006), 1138-1141
   
   B.D. Santer et.al., “Contributions of Anthropogenic and Natural Forcing to Recent Tropopause Height Changes,” Science vol. 301 (25 July 2003), 479-483.
   
   T. Westerhold et. al., "An astronomically dated record of Earth’s climate and its predictability over the last 66 million years," Science vol. 369 (11 Sept. 2020), 1383-1387.
2. In 1824, Joseph Fourier calculated that an Earth-sized planet, at our distance from the Sun, ought to be much colder. He suggested something in the atmosphere must be acting like an insulating blanket. In 1856, Eunice Foote discovered that blanket, showing that carbon dioxide and water vapor in Earth's atmosphere trap escaping infrared (heat) radiation.
   
   In the 1860s, physicist John Tyndall recognized Earth's natural greenhouse effect and suggested that slight changes in the atmospheric composition could bring about climatic variations. In 1896, a seminal paper by Swedish scientist Svante Arrhenius first predicted that changes in atmospheric carbon dioxide levels could substantially alter the surface temperature through the greenhouse effect.
   
   In 1938, Guy Callendar connected carbon dioxide increases in Earth’s atmosphere to global warming. In 1941, Milutin Milankovic linked ice ages to Earth’s orbital characteristics. Gilbert Plass formulated the Carbon Dioxide Theory of Climate Change in 1956.
3. IPCC Sixth Assessment Report, WG1, Chapter 2
   Vostok ice core data; NOAA Mauna Loa CO2 record
   Gaffney, O.; Steffen, W. (2017). "The Anthropocene Equation," The Anthropocene Review (Volume 4, Issue 1, April 2017), 53-61.
4. Climate Monitoring | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)
   
   Temperature data (HadCRUT, CRUTEM,, HadCRUT5, CRUTEM5) Climatic Research Unit global temperature
   
   Data.GISS: GISS Surface Temperature Analysis (GISTEMP v4)
5. NASA GISS: NASA News & Feature Releases: NASA, NOAA Data Show 2016 Warmest Year on Record Globally
6. Levitus, S.; Antonov, J.; Boyer, T.; Baranova, O.; Garcia, H.; Locarnini, R.; Mishonov, A.; Reagan, J.; Seidov, D.; Yarosh, E.; Zweng, M. (2017). NCEI ocean heat content, temperature anomalies, salinity anomalies, thermosteric sea level anomalies, halosteric sea level anomalies, and total steric sea level anomalies from 1955 to present calculated from in situ oceanographic subsurface profile data (NCEI Accession 0164586). Version 4.4. NOAA National Centers for Environmental Information. Dataset. doi: 10.7289/V53F4MVP
   
   Global Ocean Heat and Salt Content
   
   von Schuckmann, K., Cheng, L., Palmer, D., Hansen, J., Tassone, C., Aich, V., Adusumilli, S., Beltrami, H., Boyer, T., Cuesta-Valero, F., Desbruyeres, D., Domingues, C., Garcia-Garcia, A., Gentine, P., Gilson, J., Gorfer, M., Haimberger, L., Ishii, M., Johnson, G., Killick, R., King, B., Kirchengast. G., Kolodziejczyk, N., Lyman, J., Marzeion, B., Mayer, M., Monier, M., Monselesan, D., Purkey, S., Roemmich, D., Schweiger, A., Seneviratne, S., Shepherd, A., Slater, D., Steiner, A., Straneo, F., Timmermans, ML., Wijffels, S. (2020). Heat stored in the Earth system: where does the energy go? Earth System Science Data (Volume 12, Issue 3, 07 September 2020), 2013-2041.
7. Velicogna, I., Mohajerani, Y., A, G., Landerer, F., Mouginot, J., Noel, B., Rignot, E., Sutterly, T., van den Broeke, M., van Wessem, M., Wiese, D. (2020). Continuity of ice sheet mass loss in Greenland and Antarctica from the GRACE and GRACE Follow‐On missions. Geophysical Research Letters (Volume 47, Issue 8, 28 April 2020, e2020GL087291.
8. National Snow and Ice Data Center
   World Glacier Monitoring Service
9. National Snow and Ice Data Center
   Robinson, D. A., D. K. Hall, and T. L. Mote. 2014. MEaSUREs Northern Hemisphere Terrestrial Snow Cover Extent Daily 25km EASE-Grid 2.0, Version 1. [Indicate subset used]. Boulder, Colorado USA. NASA National Snow and Ice Data Center Distributed Active Archive Center. doi: MEaSUREs Northern Hemisphere Terrestrial Snow Cover Extent Daily 25km EASE-Grid 2.0, Version 1. [Accessed 9/21/18].
   Learn
   Rutgers University Global Snow Lab, Data History Accessed September 21, 2018.
10. R. S. Nerem, B. D. Beckley, J. T. Fasullo, B. D. Hamlington, D. Masters and G. T. Mitchum. "Climate-change–driven accelerated sea-level rise detected in the altimeter era." PNAS, 2018 DOI: 10.1073/pnas.1717312115
11. Learn
    Pan-Arctic Ice Ocean Modeling and Assimilation System (PIOMAS, Zhang and Rothrock, 2003) devoid of fac
    Polar Science Center » PIOMAS Arctic Sea Ice Volume Reanalysis
    Polar Science Center » Projections of an Ice-Diminished Arctic Ocean
12. USGCRP, 2017: Climate Science Special Report: Fourth National Climate Assessment, Volume I [Wuebbles, D.J., D.W. Fahey, K.A. Hibbard, D.J. Dokken, B.C. Stewart, and T.K. Maycock (eds.)]. U.S. Global Change Research Program, Washington, DC, USA, 470 pp, doi: 10.7930/J0J964J6
13. http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/What+is+Ocean+Acidification?
14. Ocean Acidification
15. C. L. Sabine et.al., “The Oceanic Sink for Anthropogenic CO2,” Science vol. 305 (16 July 2004), 367-371
16. Special Report on the Ocean and Cryosphere in a Changing Climate, Technical Summary, Chapter TS.5, Changing Ocean, Marine Ecosystems, and Dependent Communities, Section 5.2.2.3.
    Technical Summary — Special Report on the Ocean and Cryosphere in a Changing Climate

A lovely cut and paste, yet devoid of any facts to back up your claims.

Each time you get called out, you paste up a wall of shit that you cannot point to any of it as proving your assertions. Appeals to authority are not acceptable because you cannot verify any of it. The WOS you posted is a broad range of papers by a whole host of people, some good and some bad at science. Until you understand any of it and you get away from using appeals to authority, it is pointless to try dissuading you. You take what you are feed without question and regurgitate it without knowledge.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

is that Greenland froze while North America thawed

How far away was North America from the pole the last time it froze? Link?

 

[Oddball]

How come Mars is warmer?....All those coal-fired electrical generation plants?

Red Planet Heats Up: Ice Age Ending on Mars

Mars is emerging from an ice age, a finding that could shed light on the past and future climates of both Mars and Earth, researchers say.

www.space.com

 

[skookerasbil]

Not proveable.

Theory is ghey.

 

[skookerasbil]

A lovely cut and paste, yet devoid of any facts to back up your claims.

Each time you get called out, you paste up a wall of shit that you cannot point to any of it as proving your assertions. Appeals to authority are not acceptable because you cannot verify any of it. The WOS you posted is a broad range of papers by a whole host of people, some good and some bad at science. Until you understand any of it and you get away from using appeals to authority, it is pointless to try dissuading you. You take what you are feed without question and regurgitate it without knowledge.

LOL........that guy is a prolific rube.

Sprinted out for 6 stabs!!

 

[Crick]

A lovely cut and paste, yet devoid of any facts to back up your claims.

Each time you get called out, you paste up a wall of shit that you cannot point to any of it as proving your assertions. Appeals to authority are not acceptable because you cannot verify any of it. The WOS you posted is a broad range of papers by a whole host of people, some good and some bad at science. Until you understand any of it and you get away from using appeals to authority, it is pointless to try dissuading you. You take what you are feed without question and regurgitate it without knowledge.

You are just fucking unbelievable. You said:

"I just went to the NASA web site, I looked at the papers they are using as "evidence. Most have been withdrawn or retracted since publication."

You did not (and still have not) identified which NASA site you went to or any one of these papers you claim have been withdrawn or retracted. Not-fucking-one. Now, when I post the contents of NASA's specific climate change evidence page (not ONE of which has been retracted or withdrawn) you try to change the subject.

You are a piece of fucking work.

 

[Crick]

LOL........that guy is a prolific rube.

Sprinted out for 6 stabs!!

Billy Boy is lying to us - and us includes you and jc456 and sunsetommy and reinydays.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

How come Mars is warmer?....All those coal-fired electrical generation plants?

Red Planet Heats Up: Ice Age Ending on Mars

Mars is emerging from an ice age, a finding that could shed light on the past and future climates of both Mars and Earth, researchers say.

www.space.com

Martian CO2, no other reason possible

 

[Crick]

Martian CO2, no other reason possible

You know that does not reflect climate science.

 

[Oddball]

You know that does not reflect climate science.

It reflects actual science.

Mars is what used to be known as a "control"....You anti-science warmer cultists wouldn't know anything about that.

 

[Crick]

It reflects actual science.

Mars is what used to be known as a "control"....You anti-science warmer cultists wouldn't know anything about that.

My comment was aimed at Crusader Frank's comment "Martian CO2, no other reason possible". Climate science does NOT say that CO2 is the only cause of warming.

 

[Oddball]

My comment was aimed at Crusader Frank's comment "Martian CO2, no other reason possible". Climate science does NOT say that CO2 is the only cause of warming.

ORLY....Then why is it the singular focus of every tin pot technocratic despot who wants to end modern 1st world industrial society?

 

[Oddball]

When you've been reduced to reflexively shrieking "ANY DATA THAT CONTRADICTS MY RELIGION IS FRAUDULENT!" in response to science, as deniers do, then you're definitely part of a pseudoscience cult.

 

[Crick]

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