Zone1 The unconditional covenant God made with the Jews (AKA Israelites/Hebrews including converts, excluding Arabs)

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You don't think England begged us to enter their war with Germany? Germany wasn't bothering us. We chose sides just like you are siding with Hamas over Israel.

No. I am siding with taking the high road and not becoming what they hate.

Your information is incredibly biased, e.g. "Low road, baby killer, no excuse for what Israel is doing, Genocidal Jews..."
There is an excuse for what Israel is doing. They have had enough.

Or you are incredibly naive about what they are doing. They are systematically exterminating a people. But that's OK because they are chosen and God is on their side. Most Jews are atheists and don't give a shit about God. This isn't about God, this is about land.

They don't need an excuse, but if you request one, then here it is. They were just invaded, tortured, kidnapped and murdered. If they shouldn't pursue the matter once Hamas fled back home through their tunnels, will the Jews have your backing to do something about it the next time Hamas attacks? And the next time and the next time?

Didn't I already address this. Defending is the high road.

Muslims killed us in our Towers and the Jews at their festival. Why were we able to exercise a very large retribution, and the Jews simply are not? Did it end when Hamas gave the Jews back some of their tortured, dead, kidnapped children? Now they should be left alone to live in peace in Gaza?

What is the alternative? Kill them all?

The Jews are tired of dodging rockets and suicide bombers. This is God's battle, and Israel will be victorious. Christ is coming back to make sure of it. I would think judging Israel and siding with their enemy would constitute a slippery slop. If you can't bless them, at least don't judge them...

They are laughing at you behind your back. They have forgotten God. And that's why all of this is happening. Read your bible.

 

[SaxonJackson]

Once again, some here are conflating biblical / spiritual Israel with the Rothschild-created modern nation of Israel. That wrong theology causes people to support things that they otherwise would never support, and turn a blind eye to terrible things happening in the world, because they incorrectly believe they are doing what God wants them to do. NO! God doesn't want you to turn a blind eye to tens of thousands of innocent civilians being mass murdered for a pre-planned land grab. Or children being gunned down by snipers, or people being displaced from their homes, etc, etc.

In regard to Genesis 12:3 ("I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse him who curses you") that verse is not referring to the modern nation of Israel or any single ethnic group. The New Testament makes it clear that the offspring, or "seed" of Abraham is the SPIRITUAL seed, not the physical. I've posted these verses before, but I'll post them again.

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Galatians 3:16​

Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ.
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Galatians 3:29​

And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.​

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Romans 9:6-8​

For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.​

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Romans 2:28-29​

For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.​

Abraham had both a land promise ("the promised land") that was already fulfilled under the reigns of David and Solomon, and a world promise that is fulfilled in the New Jerusalem under Jesus Christ. That hasn't happened yet.

The problem is, many Christians misapply scriptures that refer to the future "Promised land" (New Jerusalem) and apply them to the Rothschild-created physical nation of Israel. That is a deception. In fact, I believe that is a deception that comes from the enemy, because it has deceived a good portion of Christians into a number of false doctrines, and cheering for war, destruction and other evil things they should not be supporting.

Nicely stated and documented. It's very provable that the Khazar Empire of the 7th & 8th Centuries, A.D. converted to the religion of Judaism. They hail from the Eastern Steppes of Europe in and around southern Russia and Ukraine. Following a religious ideology does NOT turn someone into "God's Chosen Race."

Now if someone turns their life over to Jesus Christ then they become one of His children.

The vast majority of modern "Israel's" Zionist leadership are of Khazarian background. The Rothschild family bankrolled the early Zionist movement but the "founding father" of Zionist Israel (established in 1948) was David Ben-Gurion who was not only a Zionist but adhered to the Marxist ideology. Most of them changed their names to sound more "Hebrew" (which they aren't).



Remember, the Bible warned the church of a people who "call themselves Jews but are not but are of the synagogue of Satan." Modern Zionists, in my opinion, fit that mold.

Revelation 2:9, “I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.”

Revelation 3:9, “Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Iewes, and are not, but doe lie: behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feete, and to know that I haue loued thee.”

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Once again, some here are conflating biblical / spiritual Israel with the Rothschild-created modern nation of Israel. That wrong theology causes people to support things that they otherwise would never support, and turn a blind eye to terrible things happening in the world, because they incorrectly believe they are doing what God wants them to do. NO! God doesn't want you to turn a blind eye to tens of thousands of innocent civilians being mass murdered for a pre-planned land grab. Or children being gunned down by snipers, or people being displaced from their homes, etc, etc.

In regard to Genesis 12:3 ("I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse him who curses you") that verse is not referring to the modern nation of Israel or any single ethnic group. The New Testament makes it clear that the offspring, or "seed" of Abraham is the SPIRITUAL seed, not the physical. I've posted these verses before, but I'll post them again.

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Galatians 3:16​

Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ.
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Galatians 3:29​

And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.​

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Romans 9:6-8​

For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.​

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Romans 2:28-29​

For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.​

Abraham had both a land promise ("the promised land") that was already fulfilled under the reigns of David and Solomon, and a world promise that is fulfilled in the New Jerusalem under Jesus Christ. That hasn't happened yet.

The problem is, many Christians misapply scriptures that refer to the future "Promised land" (New Jerusalem) and apply them to the Rothschild-created physical nation of Israel. That is a deception. In fact, I believe that is a deception that comes from the enemy, because it has deceived a good portion of Christians into a number of false doctrines, and cheering for war, destruction and other evil things they should not be supporting.

Buttercup, you've accepted CATHOLIC REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY. This is one area you are simply wrong.
God's NATIONAL covenant with Israel is FOREVER.

 

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Buttercup, you've accepted CATHOLIC REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY. This is one area you are simply wrong.
God's NATIONAL covenant with Israel is FOREVER.

They laugh at the naivety of Christians like you behind your back. They would spit on you. You aren't their friend. You are a tool to be used to their advantage.

 

[buttercup]

Buttercup, you've accepted CATHOLIC REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY. This is one area you are simply wrong.
God's NATIONAL covenant with Israel is FOREVER.

No, for me this has NOTHING to do with what Catholics believe or disbelieve. It is the traditional view and it was for many centuries before Darby and Scofield came along and influenced Christians into a theology that goes against the New Covenant. I know that we disagree on this topic, and that's OK. I respect you because I believe you are sincere. As I think you know, I used to have the same view as you and other Christians here. But the more I study, the more I've realized that it is a deception, and the "fruit" that comes from it is very bad.

 

[SaxonJackson]

The Unconditional Nature of The Abrahamic Covenant.

Final redemption at End Times , unconditional

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See also: Isaiah 10:32:

they will shake their fist at the mount of Daughter Zion, at the hill of Jerusalem.​

Zechariah 14:

A day of the Lord is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls.

2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.

3 Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle.

4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south.

5 You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake[a] in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.

6 On that day there will be neither sunlight nor cold, frosty darkness.

7 It will be a unique day—a day known only to the Lord—with no distinction between day and night. When evening comes, there will be light.

8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter.

9. The Lord will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the only name.

10. The whole land, from Geba to Rimmon, south of Jerusalem, will become like the Arabah. But Jerusalem will be raised up high from the Benjamin Gate to the site of the First Gate, to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the royal winepresses, and will remain in its place. 11. It will be inhabited; never again will it be destroyed. Jerusalem will be secure.

12. This is the plague with which the Lord will strike all the nations that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths.

13. On that day people will be stricken by the Lord with great panic. They will seize each other by the hand and attack one another.

14. Judah too will fight at Jerusalem. The wealth of all the surrounding nations will be collected—great quantities of gold and silver and clothing.

15. A similar plague will strike the horses and mules, the camels and donkeys, and all the animals in those camps.

16. Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.

17. If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain.

18. If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lord will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.

This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.

20. On that day holy to the Lord will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, and the cooking pots in the Lord’s house will be like the sacred bowls in front of the altar.

21. Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the Lord Almighty, and all who come to sacrifice will take some of the pots and cook in them. And on that day there will no longer be a Canaanite[c] in the house of the Lord Almighty.

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Amos Ch.9:

1. I saw the Lord standing beside the altar, and He said: Strike the lintel, and the sideposts shall quake, and break to pieces those who are at the head of all of them, and their remnant I will slay by the sword; no one of them shall flee, and no one of them shall escape.

2. If they dig down into the grave, from there My hand shall take them, and if they ascend to the heavens, from there I will bring them down.

3. And if they hide at the peak of Carmel, from there I will search [them out] and I will take them, and if they hide from before My eyes in the land of the sea, from there I will command the serpent, and it shall bite them.

4. And if they go into captivity before their enemies, from there I will command the sword and it shall slay them, and I will place My eye upon them for evil and not for good.

5. And the Lord God of the Hosts, Who touches the land and it quakes, and all the inhabitants thereof shall be destroyed, and it shall ascend wholly like the river, and it shall sink like the river of Egypt.

6. Who built His upper stories in Heaven and has founded His company on earth; Who calls the water of the sea and pours it out on the face of the earth, the Lord is His Name.

7. Are you not like the children of the Cushites to Me, O children of Israel? says the Lord. Did I not bring Israel up from the land of Egypt, and the Philistines from Caphtor and Aram from Kir?

8.Behold the eyes of the Lord God are on the sinful kingdom, and I will destroy it from upon the face of the earth; but I will not destroy the house of Jacob, says the Lord.

9. For, behold I command, and I will scatter the house of Israel among all the nations; as it is shaken in a sieve, and not a coarse particle falls to the earth.

10. By the sword shall all the sinful of My people perish, those who say, "The evil shall not soon come upon us. "

11. On that day, I will raise up the fallen Tabernacle of David, and I will close up their breaches, and I will raise up its ruins, and build it up as in the days of yore.

12. In order that they inherit the remnant of Edom and all the nations because My Name is called upon them, says the Lord Who does this.

13. Behold days are coming, says the Lord, that the plowman shall meet the reaper and the treader of the grapes the one who carries the seed, and the mountains shall drip sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.

14. And I will return the captivity of My people Israel, and they shall rebuild desolate cities and inhabit [them], and they shall plant vineyards and drink their wine, and they shall make gardens and eat their produce.

15. And I will plant them on their land, and they shall no longer be uprooted from upon their land, that I have given them, said the Lord your God.​

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EXCLUDING ISHMAEL, ACCEPTING CONVERTS​

Genesis 21:12

But God said to him, “Do not be so distressed about the boy and your slave woman. Listen to whatever Sarah tells you, because it is through Isaac that your offspring[a] will be reckoned​

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As God excluded Ishmael (AKA Arabs, including "palestinians" = who are Arab immigrants grandchildren), from the true 'seed' of Abraham...
Just as God accepted converts into the People of Israel (see: Ex. 12: 38 "a mixed multitude also went up with them," and Ruth 1:1_ Your people will be my people and your God my God the great great... grandmother of King David), so does any true convert enter the 'seeds' of Abraham.
Spiritual seeds. Not just ethnic.
For Jews' attachment to their historic Holy land is not a "race" thing.

The SAME Jewish people
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If, in any doubts, one has to identify who are the same people:
Exdous of Egypt under Moses; entry into their promised land under Joshua and exiled by the Romans from their Jerusalem...

Just look who has been persecuted through Spanish Inquisition, Crusades, blood libels, pogroms, Holocaust, Jewish-nakba-out-of-Arab-lands and still suffer antisemitism..
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Who are "The Jews?"

When you get around to reading your Bible, you'll find that God made a Covenant with the "Children of Israel" AND the "Children of Judah."

Who is Israel and who is Judah? Do you know? Or do you think you know?

Hebrews 8:8, “For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:”

That New Testament verse is taken directly from Jeremiah 31:31.

Jeremiah 31:31, "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:"

Guess how many Tribes of Israel there are? There's more than just Judah (a name later shortened to "Jew").

James 1:1, "James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting."

There are 12 Tribes. Not just one tribe. It's a complete misnomer to confuse the name "Jew" with all 12 Tribes of Israel.

For more confirmation, read Revelation chapter 7 where all the twelve tribes are named.

Using the blanket word "Jew" to cover ALL TWELVE TRIBES of Israel is not only a false use of the word but it's slothful and a shortcut taken by folks who don't actually study their Bibles.

 

[SaxonJackson]

They laugh at the naivety of Christians like you behind your back. They would spit on you. You aren't their friend. You are a tool to be used to their advantage.

^^^ True statement!! ^^^

 

[Carl in Michigan]

No, for me this has NOTHING to do with what Catholics believe or disbelieve. It is the traditional view and it was for many centuries before Darby and Scofield came along and influenced Christians into a theology that goes against the New Covenant. I know that we disagree on this topic, and that's OK. I respect you because I believe you are sincere. As I think you know, I used to have the same view as you and other Christians here. But the more I study, the more I've realized that it is a deception, and the "fruit" that comes from it is very bad.

The covenants are not the same. Salvation was never promised to the Jews (Judah) because if their race or religion. Theirs is a NATIONAL COVENANT -- a promise of greatness and a promise of blessing the world in many ways. Israel was the people through home the world would be blessed physically and through Judah (the Jews) the world would be spiritually blessed through the Messiah.


And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.

7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God
God's covenant with ISRAEL is eternal.