Zone1 The unconditional covenant God made with the Jews (AKA Israelites/Hebrews including converts, excluding Arabs)

[ShahdagMountains]

You should totally go and kill them all then.

Single handedly?

 

[Lisa558]

Ignore the genocide.

Stop lying.

 

[ding]

Because telling lies is not good.

You should tell her to stop doing that then.

 

[ding]

Stop lying.

You first, baby killer.

 

[ding]

Single handedly?

If you could. Maybe after the 4th or 5th baby you'd see the error of your way.

 

[Lisa558]

Baby killer!!!

Oy….ding is getting worse.

Islamist savages break into a Jewish village, on the morning of the most joyous holiday in Judaism, and decapitate babies and set toddlers on fire….

And he calls the Jew-girl who won’t be silent a child-killer.

The Duke: do you STILL think Ding isn’t an antisemite?

 

[ShahdagMountains]

If you could. Maybe after the 4th or 5th baby you'd see the error of your way.

Didn’t understand one word of that.

 

[Lisa558]

Didn’t understand one word of that.

Amazing how upside-down these antisemites have things, isn’t it?

 

[ding]

Oy….ding is getting worse.

Islamist savages break into a Jewish village, on the morning of the most joyous holiday in Judaism, and decapitate babies and set toddlers on fire….

And he calls the Jew-girl who won’t be silent a child-killer.

The Duke: do you STILL think Ding isn’t an antisemite?

Just mirroring you.

 

[ding]

Didn’t understand one word of that.

Not even the last part?

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Not even the last part?

There was a last part?

 

[ding]

There was a last part?

Sure.

 

[The Irish Ram]

I don't trust your judgement to decide God's judgement. Just like I don't trust my judgment to decide God's judgment. It seems the best course of action is to always seek the highest standard of conduct. Of which neither has done. I don't think I would trust arguing the other guy was worse as my defense.

Do the right thing and trust God to do the rest.

I just made a point of saying our judgments don't matter. God lays His judgment right out there in plain view, and has never asked a Gentile for their opinion on His judgment of Israel, or her enemies. He describes His coming wrath against Israel's enemies in great detail. It leaves no doubt whose side God is on. Our part in His plan is to pray for peace for Israel, not judge their behavior.
When God judges the nations it will be based on how we treated Israel, not on how Israel's treated us.

Trusting God IS the right thing, and He's made His choice quite clear. Our righteous indignation over Israel's treatment of Hamas is inconsequential. It just may be God's retribution for putting a Jewish baby in an oven and letting its parents live long enough to hear the agonizing screams of their child's torturous death.

You judge Israel based on their treatment of their enemy. God judges their enemy based on their treatment of Israel. How do you reconcile your attitude toward Israel with God's attitude toward Israel?

 

[ding]

I just made a point of saying our judgments don't matter. God lays His judgment right out there in plain view, and has never asked a Gentile for their opinion on His judgment of Israel, or her enemies. He describes His coming wrath against Israel's enemies in great detail. It leaves no doubt whose side God is on. Our part in His plan is to pray for peace for Israel, not judge their behavior.
When God judges the nations it will be based on how we treated Israel, not on how Israel's treated us.

Trusting God IS the right thing, and He's made His choice quite clear. Our righteous indignation over Israel's treatment of Hamas is inconsequential. It just may be God's retribution for putting a Jewish baby in an oven and letting its parents live long enough to hear the agonizing screams of their child's torturous death.

You judge Israel based on their treatment of their enemy. God judges their enemy based on their treatment of Israel. How do you reconcile your attitude toward Israel with God's attitude toward Israel?

There were plenty of times I have not trusted God and have taken matters into my own hands. I still do it.

I doubt anything we do is inconsequential and I doubt very seriously that God is orchestrating any of the hate and violence we see on any side.

I'm not judging Israel, I'm presenting information. What others do with it is between them and God.

 

[The Irish Ram]

We shouldn't be fighting Israel's wars for them.

We fought Europe's fight for them. Twice. The Nazis weren't bombing us.
Did God prompt us to go to war to keep the Jews from being wiped off the map?

 

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We fought Europe's fight for them. Twice. The Nazis weren't bombing us.

I'm almost certain we didn't fight any war before Iran for them.

Did God prompt us to go to war to keep the Jews from being wiped off the map?

That's a slippery slope you are on. Lot's of evil gets done in the name of the Lord.

 

[The Irish Ram]

I would confront each situation as it occurred. That is defensive in nature, not offensive in nature. In Texas if someone breaks into my home I have a right to use whatever force is necessary to make them stop their attack. I do not have the right to chase them down after they have left.

You do have every right if they kidnapped your children, your mother, your brother. I would pursue them to the ends of the earth to get my family members back, regardless of when they withdrew from their attack. It doesn't end there.
Israel has been invaded over 40 times. When does Israel get to say that they have had enough of this shit?

We were invaded once by Japan. That's all it took for us to head to Truk Island. Muslims decided it was a good idea to attack New York. Did we respond? Were you concerned about those Muslims who died when we responded?
Who was Israel attacking when Egypt invaded them and created this mess? Nobody. Who was Israel attacking when Hamas invaded them? Nobody.
What is this slippery slope you think I am on and what evil do you think it represents? I back God's play. I am on His side. Praying for peace for Israel is solid ground. It is the role God gave us. Will you argue with Christ when He returns to fight for Israel that they don't deserve his help?

2 Chronicles 20:15
And he said, “Listen, all you people of Judah and Jerusalem! Listen, King Jehoshaphat! This is what the LORD says: ‘Do not be afraid or discouraged because of this vast army, for the battle does not belong to you, but to God.

 

[The Irish Ram]

I'm almost certain we didn't fight any war before Iran for them.

That's a slippery slope you are on. Lot's of evil gets done in the name of the Lord.

You don't think England begged us to enter their war with Germany? Germany wasn't bothering us. We chose sides just like you are siding with Hamas over Israel.
Your information is incredibly biased, e.g. "Low road, baby killer, no excuse for what Israel is doing, Genocidal Jews..."
There is an excuse for what Israel is doing. They have had enough.

They don't need an excuse, but if you request one, then here it is. They were just invaded, tortured, kidnapped and murdered. If they shouldn't pursue the matter once Hamas fled back home through their tunnels, will the Jews have your backing to do something about it the next time Hamas attacks? And the next time and the next time?

Muslims killed us in our Towers and the Jews at their festival. Why were we able to exercise a very large retribution, and the Jews simply are not? Did it end when Hamas gave the Jews back some of their tortured, dead, kidnapped children? Now they should be left alone to live in peace in Gaza?
The Jews are tired of dodging rockets and suicide bombers. This is God's battle, and Israel will be victorious. Christ is coming back to make sure of it. I would think judging Israel and siding with their enemy would constitute a slippery slop. If you can't bless them, at least don't judge them...

 

[buttercup]

Once again, some here are conflating biblical / spiritual Israel with the Rothschild-created modern nation of Israel. That wrong theology causes people to support things that they otherwise would never support, and turn a blind eye to terrible things happening in the world, because they incorrectly believe they are doing what God wants them to do. NO! God doesn't want you to turn a blind eye to tens of thousands of innocent civilians being mass murdered for a pre-planned land grab. Or children being gunned down by snipers, or people being displaced from their homes, etc, etc.

In regard to Genesis 12:3 ("I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse him who curses you") that verse is not referring to the modern nation of Israel or any single ethnic group. The New Testament makes it clear that the offspring, or "seed" of Abraham is the SPIRITUAL seed, not the physical. I've posted these verses before, but I'll post them again.

Galatians 3:16
Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ.


Galatians 3:29
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Romans 9:6-8
For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.

Romans 2:28-29
For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.​

Abraham had both a land promise ("the promised land") that was already fulfilled under the reigns of David and Solomon, and a world promise that is fulfilled in the New Jerusalem under Jesus Christ. That hasn't happened yet.

The problem is, many Christians misapply scriptures that refer to the future "Promised land" (New Jerusalem) and apply them to the Rothschild-created physical nation of Israel. That is a deception. In fact, I believe that is a deception that comes from the enemy, because it has deceived a good portion of Christians into a number of false doctrines, and cheering for war, destruction and other evil things they should not be supporting.

 

[ding]

You do have every right if they kidnapped your children, your mother, your brother. I would pursue them to the ends of the earth to get my family members back, regardless of when they withdrew from their attack.

Absolutely. Just like if someone stole your land from you, right?

It doesn't end there.
Israel has been invaded over 40 times. When does Israel get to say that they have had enough of this shit?

Their borders have grown. Their settlements have grown. They are exterminating the Palestinians. Do you suppose Jesus approves?

We were invaded once by Japan. That's all it took for us to head to Truk Island. Muslims decided it was a good idea to attack New York. Did we respond? Were you concerned about those Muslims who died when we responded?

I believe we would have been better served not responding to 911 the way we did and not changing our lifestyle because of it.

Who was Israel attacking when Egypt invaded them and created this mess? Nobody. Who was Israel attacking when Hamas invaded them? Nobody.

No one. They were invaded because of land that was given to them and disagreed with the decision.

What is this slippery slope you think I am on and what evil do you think it represents?

Rationalizing evil as good.

I back God's play.

There's the rationalization I was talking about. Let's kill them all in the name of God. I can see Jesus backing that play.

I am on His side.

Me too.

Praying for peace for Israel is solid ground. It is the role God gave us. Will you argue with Christ when He returns to fight for Israel that they don't deserve his help?

Why would Christ need to fight? He's God.

2 Chronicles 20:15
And he said, “Listen, all you people of Judah and Jerusalem! Listen, King Jehoshaphat! This is what the LORD says: ‘Do not be afraid or discouraged because of this vast army, for the battle does not belong to you, but to God.

Ancient Israelites crafted narratives of historical events to show that God was on their side. Everyone who has ever been in combat thinks God is on their side.