Zone1 The Ten Commandments don't apply to us.

[Meriweather]

As sound advice, the 10 Commandments are worthy. As a religion, we are not under Mosaic Law. In fact if you believe you are under 10 Mosaic laws, then you are required to keep all 600+ of the rest of the Law. If you believe they are a requirement that you are obligated to follow, and you break one, you have broken all 600 Jewish Laws. They were not designed for the Gentiles.

We are warned not to add to or take away from God's word. To make the 10 commandments universal, that is exactly what we have done. Had we not done that, we would know exactly who they were meant for.
The actual commandment #1:

	“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.

^
It does not apply as a law to anyone who was not in bondage in Egypt. And > all of the Law involves works:

Galatians 3:10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.

We are under a better covenant of grace through faith in Christ.

Having said that, if our children were taught, not to kill, we wouldn't have such a violent generation out in the streets shooting each other. They would respect their parents enough not to disobey. They wouldn't walk inside of stores and help themselves.

The 10 commandments are good words to live by, now laws we are obligated to keep...

The Ten Commandments are moral law, and according to Moses, were written in stone by the finger of God. Jesus is the Word of God, and he commanded, "If you love me, keep my Commandments." This was noted several times, and the rich young man said he had been keeping all of them. Also, Matthew, Chapter 19 has Jesus stating the Commandments we are to keep.

The other 613 laws were civil and ceremonial laws to be followed by the Israelites, as a people set apart.

 

[rosends]

You mean, it wasn't the high priest's job.

It still isn't.

 

[rosends]

The Ten Commandments are moral law, and according to Moses, were written in stone by the finger of God. Jesus is the Word of God, and he commanded, "If you love me, keep my Commandments." This was noted several times, and the rich young man said he had been keeping all of them. Also, Matthew, Chapter 19 has Jesus stating the Commandments we are to keep.

The other 613 laws were civil and ceremonial laws to be followed by the Israelites, as a people set apart.

Are you sure that you know the other ones?

A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments) - Judaism 101 (JewFAQ)

A list of the 613 mitzvot (commandments) that are binding on Jews.

www.jewfaq.org

Some are neither civil nor ceremonial.

 

[The Irish Ram]

The very first of the ten commandments names who they were morally aimed at:

“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.

Jesus had 2 commandments. Love our Father and love each other. If you do that, you have kept the Law. And yet the greatest commandments Christ gave us are not included in the Laws of Moses.

“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law? Jesus replied: ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” – Matthew 22:36-40

“Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.” – Romans 3:20

^
If your neighbor bought a new car, and you envied that, and you were told prior to that, that envy was a sin, you would be conscious of and guilty of your sin.
If you were envious of your neighbor but didn't realize that you weren't supposed to envy, you are not charged with or punished for the sin.

“Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.” – Acts 13:39

 

[yidnar]

Which has nothing to do with the Ten Commandments. Every single religion on earth recognizes a single or multiple deities, as being or connected to the creator. Recognition of a creator is not endemic solely to Judaism or any single Abrahamic monotheistic religion, past or present.

the founders were Christians .. the Pilgrims were Christians that came to set up colonies where they could practice their religion ..

 

[Meriweather]

Are you sure that you know the other ones?


Some are neither civil nor ceremonial.

As I understand it, the ones you may be referencing are already covered under the ten...just a subset. How is it you see them?

 

[rosends]

As I understand it, the ones you may be referencing are already covered under the ten...just a subset. How is it you see them?

There are 613 and that includes those 10.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Apparently. Jes' sayin'.

Modern Christianity seems to be all about cherrypicking.

 

[BreezeWood]

"If you love me, keep my Commandments."

4th century embellishment ...

jesus repudiated the commandments, the jewish sabbath in particular ...

there are no commandments or laws from the heavens only the goal to triumph - to sin no more in perpetuity - for admission to the everlasting.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Modern Christianity seems to be all about cherrypicking.

Cherrypicking what exactly? Of the two commandments we are given by Christ, are you accusing us of choosing one and not the other?

 

[sparky]

Yet more biblical baloney foisted upon us.......you forkin people! ~S~

 

[frigidweirdo]

Cherrypicking what exactly? Of the two commandments we are given by Christ, are you accusing us of choosing one and not the other?

What exactly?

Shall we talk about Noah's Ark?

How God gets angry at violence and then KILLS EVERYONE, including all but two of every animal (how's that even possible? But anyway).

God is say he is violent.

Now the church pretends that it's not about violence, pretends that Noah's Ark isn't about violence.

Then people use the Bible (like Hesgeth) to justify going to war.

Up down up down, all over the place.

Even better is the gay one.

Leviticus 18:22

"22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable."

They use this to basically slam gay people all the time. They'd use it to say why they'd never vote for a gay person to be president.

Leviticus 20:10

10 “‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death."

Yes, adulterers should be put to death (only if the woman is married, well, at least the church seems consistent in pounding on women).

Though Catholics seem to only care if it's the neighbor's wife.

"When a man commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death."

Screwing someone else's wife who isn't your neighbor seems ok.

Then you elected Trump president, even though he's an adulterer.

But then I guess when he was married to Ivana and screwing Marla, Marla wasn't married.

And it seems Stormy Daniels wasn't married when she fucked Trump while his wife was pregnant.

But clearly adultery is seen as bad in the Bible, but Trump does it, and so many people are quick to ignore it. But so sanctimonious about gay sex.

 

[Woodznutz]

What exactly?

Shall we talk about Noah's Ark?

How God gets angry at violence and then KILLS EVERYONE, including all but two of every animal (how's that even possible? But anyway).

God is say he is violent.

Now the church pretends that it's not about violence, pretends that Noah's Ark isn't about violence.

Then people use the Bible (like Hesgeth) to justify going to war.

Up down up down, all over the place.

Even better is the gay one.

Leviticus 18:22

"22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable."

They use this to basically slam gay people all the time. They'd use it to say why they'd never vote for a gay person to be president.

Leviticus 20:10

10 “‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death."

Yes, adulterers should be put to death (only if the woman is married, well, at least the church seems consistent in pounding on women).

Though Catholics seem to only care if it's the neighbor's wife.

"When a man commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death."

Screwing someone else's wife who isn't your neighbor seems ok.

Then you elected Trump president, even though he's an adulterer.

But then I guess when he was married to Ivana and screwing Marla, Marla wasn't married.

And it seems Stormy Daniels wasn't married when she fucked Trump while his wife was pregnant.

But clearly adultery is seen as bad in the Bible, but Trump does it, and so many people are quick to ignore it. But so sanctimonious about gay sex.

"As in the days of Noah..."

 

[Meriweather]

What exactly?

Shall we talk about Noah's Ark?

How God gets angry at violence and then KILLS EVERYONE, including all but two of every animal (how's that even possible? But anyway).

God is say he is violent.

Now the church pretends that it's not about violence, pretends that Noah's Ark isn't about violence.

Then people use the Bible (like Hesgeth) to justify going to war.

Up down up down, all over the place.

Even better is the gay one.

Leviticus 18:22

"22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable."

They use this to basically slam gay people all the time. They'd use it to say why they'd never vote for a gay person to be president.

Leviticus 20:10

10 “‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death."

Yes, adulterers should be put to death (only if the woman is married, well, at least the church seems consistent in pounding on women).

Though Catholics seem to only care if it's the neighbor's wife.

"When a man commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death."

Screwing someone else's wife who isn't your neighbor seems ok.

Then you elected Trump president, even though he's an adulterer.

But then I guess when he was married to Ivana and screwing Marla, Marla wasn't married.

And it seems Stormy Daniels wasn't married when she fucked Trump while his wife was pregnant.

But clearly adultery is seen as bad in the Bible, but Trump does it, and so many people are quick to ignore it. But so sanctimonious about gay sex.

What is it that makes the sins of others a personal concern?

 

[White 6]

the founders were Christians .. the Pilgrims were Christians that came to set up colonies where they could practice their religion ..

Many were, possibly most. I won't argue the point. That was 1607. Still, the framers of the US Constitution wisely chose to make it unconstitutional for the government, acting as the government to establish a religion or pick favorites of any of the various religions or dictate religion tenets to be observed. This gave you the right to practice your religion in your way, and by the way, not to practice it at all. That tends to support not making laws for religious symbols and texts to be part of the public, government funded education of the our young, who may be of parent of a totally different religion or no religion, at all.

Does that mean the ten Commandments do not apply? No. They apply to me. Of course, I was raised in a Christian home and in the pews of Methodist and Baptist churches, by parents were married to each other in the church for 55 years, raising 3 kids, always in church, and to grand parents married to each other at the same church over 60 years, also raising 3, always in church. So now, here I am, married to the same woman over 51 years, at the same church having raised 3 kids, that were also taken to church. I knew my great-grandmother, who also went to that church, though she predated that church, same as she predated the Civil War, she and my great-grandfather (whom I never knew) were married in a different church, in a place called Sugar Tree, TN, having stayed together all of their lives, separated by death, and reunited at the graveyard of the church where they were wed.

 

[yidnar]

Many were, possibly most. I won't argue the point. That was 1607. Still, the framers of the US Constitution wisely chose to make it unconstitutional for the government, acting as the government to establish a religion or pick favorites of any of the various religions or dictate religion tenets to be observed. This gave you the right to practice your religion in your way, and by the way, not to practice it at all. That tends to support not making laws for religious symbols and texts to be part of the public, government funded education of the our young, who may be of parent of a totally different religion or no religion, at all.

Does that mean the ten Commandments do not apply? No. They apply to me. Of course, I was raised in a Christian home and in the pews of Methodist and Baptist churches, by parents were married to each other in the church for 55 years, raising 3 kids, always in church, and to grand parents married to each other at the same church over 60 years, also raising 3, always in church. So now, here I am, married to the same woman over 51 years, at the same church having raised 3 kids, that were also taken to church. I knew my great-grandmother, who also went to that church, though she predated that church, same as she predated the Civil War, she and my great-grandfather (whom I never knew) were married in a different church, in a place called Sugar Tree, TN, having stayed together all of their lives, separated by death, and reunited at the graveyard of the church where they were wed.

your party took the Bible and the Ten Commandments out of school .. tell us how thats worked out !

 

[frigidweirdo]

"As in the days of Noah..."

What?

 

[frigidweirdo]

What is it that makes the sins of others a personal concern?

It's not the sins of others we're talking about here.

It's the cherry picking.

 

[braalian]

the government trying to enforce some of the commandments (no working on Sunday, "no other god before me") would very clearly be a direct violation of civil rights

 

[The Irish Ram]

Shall we talk about Noah's Ark

Sure.

How God gets angry at violence and then KILLS EVERYONE

^That is your take on what happened. And then we have God telling us why the flood was necessary. The earth was filled with hybrids that were very violent. But violence isn't the reason for the flood.
There were 8 humans that still had pure human DNA. The rest were hybrids. That includes animals.
God wasn't having a little hissy fit. He was preserving mankind...

Genesis 6: 9: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations