Zone1 The Ten Commandments don't apply to us.

[hobelim]

That's a question I've asked of you in the past. You never answered.

I'm an individual perfectly one who reflects the image and likeness of a Holy (separate) God.

Do you know Legion?

Yes.

It was sent to join a herd of swine stampeding off a cliff every other Sunday and high holiday, always dying, never finding peace in death, a very long time ago. It inhabits the bodies of those who lost their souls and a crowd calling itself 'us' or we" moves in like the homeless gather in an abandoned building. It shrieks in agony whenever it sees me coming.

 

[SaxonJackson]

Apparently. Jes' sayin'.

Though a Christian is under grace and not the Law, grace is not a ticket to purposely break the law. For sin is the transgression of the law and we're required to repent of our sins.

The 10 Commandments are a very pure & moral standard to live by. We're wise to incorporate them into our lives. They are, after all, the Words of God.

 

[The Irish Ram]

First Commandment proclaims …..You shall have no Gods before me

Clearly establishing a religion

Actually, the first commandment tells us without a doubt who God was aiming the commandments at.> Those who were in bondage in Egypt.

Christ gave us 2 to follow. Love the Father. Love each other. Those are the Commandments we were given.
And yes, Judaism and Christianity are 2 religions. And they differentiate from one another.
The 10 commandments are good principles to live by for humanity and a Law for the Jews...

 

[hobelim]

Actually, the first commandment tells us without a doubt who God was aiming the commandments at.

No. The instruction in the Law was given as "a light to the nations", meaning for all people. At the time of Jesus the hidden meaning of the Law was kept secret even from Jewish laity.


On the appointment of presbyters.

When these men have undergone, with blamelessness of conduct, a two year preparation in the fundamentals of the community, they shall be segregated as especially sacred among the formal members of the community. Any knowledge which the expositor of the Law may posses but which may have to remain arcane to the ordinary layman, HE SHALL NOT KEEP HIDDEN FROM THEM; for in their case there need be no fear that it might induce apostasy.

On religious discussion.

No one is to engage in discussion or disputation with men of ill repute; and in the company of froward men everyone is to abstain from talk about (KEEP HIDDEN) the meaning of the Law.

(Dead Sea Scrolls, Manual of Discipline)


This is why Jesus said, "No one lights a candle and then hides it under a bushel, no, they put it on the lamp-stand to everyone in the room can see.", and why some exclaimed, "Where did he get this teaching!" Not because it was unknown, never heard before, but because it was supposed to be kept secret HIDDEN especially from froward men like Jesus.

 

[JohnDB]

Actually, the first commandment tells us without a doubt who God was aiming the commandments at.> Those who were in bondage in Egypt.

Christ gave us 2 to follow. Love the Father. Love each other. Those are the Commandments we were given.
And yes, Judaism and Christianity are 2 religions. And they differentiate from one another.
The 10 commandments are good principles to live by for humanity and a Law for the Jews...

Christianity is a sect of Judaism.
A sub-set.
It's grown much larger than the original group.
But it is just a sect of Judaism. A "denomination" of Judaism.

And the decalogue?
It was a formal contract with the 4th Commandment explaining the termination of the contract. And when Jesus died....that contract was ended and a New Contract replacing it. Both contracts were instituted using blood. The first used the blood of a bull. The New used Jesus's own blood.

It's not evil to tell people to follow the 10 commandments....far from it.
But
There is a better way.
Not a progressive, friendly way that is ALL inclusive....that church belongs to Satan.

But a conservative, sensible way that is focused on purity, altruism, and forgiveness.

 

[rightwinger]

Actually, the first commandment tells us without a doubt who God was aiming the commandments at.> Those who were in bondage in Egypt.

Christ gave us 2 to follow. Love the Father. Love each other. Those are the Commandments we were given.
And yes, Judaism and Christianity are 2 religions. And they differentiate from one another.
The 10 commandments are good principles to live by for humanity and a Law for the Jews...

If the Commandments are only aimed at those who were in bondage in Egypt, why teachers them today?
The commandments are the cornerstone of Judeo Christian religions and COMMAND you to follow their God
A clear establishment of religion

 

[JohnDB]

If the Commandments are only aimed at those who were in bondage in Egypt, why teachers them today?
The commandments are the cornerstone of Judeo Christian religions and COMMAND you to follow their God
A clear establishment of religion

And if you don't like it....
There's plenty of alternatives for you that will welcome you...

You do NOT have to stay. You are free to leave anytime you want. In fact some might be willing to give you a ticket for your departure to another country.

 

[The Irish Ram]

No. The instruction in the Law was given as "a light to the nations", meaning for all people.

Not even close. If God said, "hob, this commandment is for you". Is it for me too? No. God pointed right to the people the Laws were for. Are the Laws of the Jews for everybody? No. They never were and still are not.
Jews and Christians are two completely different groups.
Christ gave us a better covenant with 2 commandments, and those 2 fulfill the 10 commandments< the Law.

Galatians 4:4 God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law

 

[The Irish Ram]

If the Commandments are only aimed at those who were in bondage in Egypt, why teachers them today?
The commandments are the cornerstone of Judeo Christian religions and COMMAND you to follow their God
A clear establishment of religion

We teach them today as good principles to live by, not Laws we are commanded to follow, and be judged on accordingly.
The opposite of your understanding is the truth. The commandments are in no way the cornerstone of Judeo Christians. The Law is a curse.
Christ is our cornerstone. He redeems us from the curse of the Law and commands us to follow His 2 commandments.

EPH. 2:20 "Built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.”

Here is the before, and after:

Gal. 3: 23-24 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.

So, accept Christ. He fulfilled the Law for the Jew and justified us through our faith in Him. Your choice. Prisoner or justified by faith in Christ.

 

[BreezeWood]

How to keep the sabbath holy? Close your shops on Sunday, praise God, and rest.

the heavens claimed their creation, life and garden earth a special type of completion ... a sabbath - to be kept holy the desert religions are miserable failures in regards to their request.

ram knows perfectly well in their phony bible jesus intervened, mocked intentionally the judaism day of rest they used to persecute and victimize who would not adhere to their command as typical the repudiation of that religion and performed miracles of such to prove as a heavenly blessing the proper means to keep holy their sabbath.

 

[hobelim]

God said, "hob, this commandment is for you". Is it for me too? No.

Right but if God said, Hobelim, this law was entrusted to you as a light to the nations it would mean he gave me the Law to share the light with all people, all nations, not just mine.

Christ gave us a better covenant with 2 commandments, and those 2 fulfill the 10 commandments< the Law.

If you obeyed the commands of Jesus you would comply with the Law. No one who loves God or their neighbor would set aside Divine Law, and teaches others to do the same, whether they made great errors in their speculations or have been mislead themselves, because it amounts to intentional murder. The opposite of love. Because death, a curse, is the penalty for teaching others to disregard the Law. See Genesis 3:14. Thats why Jesus said "Satan was a murderer from the beginning" even though he didn't kill anyone.

When Jesus revealed that the Law was not to be taken literally by saying "eat my flesh", a direct reference to Kosher Law, only the Talmud became obsolete, what Jesus called the traditions of men, not the Law itself. The proof that the Law remains in effect and in full force is that you and many others can't see the absurdity of what you do in church on your knees.

Its perverse, vile, degrading, obscene and profane!

 

[rightwinger]

We teach them today as good principles to live by, not Laws we are commanded to follow, and be judged on accordingly.
The opposite of your understanding is the truth. The commandments are in no way the cornerstone of Judeo Christians. The Law is a curse.
Christ is our cornerstone. He redeems us from the curse of the Law and commands us to follow His 2 commandments.

EPH. 2:20 "Built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.”

Here is the before, and after:

Gal. 3: 23-24 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.

So, accept Christ. He fulfilled the Law for the Jew and justified us through our faith in Him. Your choice. Prisoner or justified by faith in Christ.

They are “Commandments” from God

 

[The Irish Ram]

Right but if God said, Hobelim, this law was entrusted to you as a light to the nations it would mean he gave me the Law to share the light with all people, all nations, not just mine.

If you obeyed the commands of Jesus you would comply with the Law. No one who loves God or their neighbor would set aside Divine Law, and teaches others to do the same, whether they made great errors in their speculations or have been mislead themselves, because it amounts to intentional murder. The opposite of love. Because death, a curse, is the penalty for teaching others to disregard the Law. See Genesis 3:14. Thats why Jesus said "Satan was a murderer from the beginning" even though he didn't kill anyone.

When Jesus revealed that the law was not to be taken literally by saying "eat my flesh", a direct reference to kosher law, only the talmud became obsolete, what Jesus called the traditions of men, not the Law itself.

Christ is the light to the nations, and will be the judge of the nations, not Jewish Law. Jewish Law is not universal Law.

 

[hobelim]

Christ is the light to the nations, and will be the judge of the nations, not Jewish Law. Jewish Law is not universal Law.

Jesus said he was the light of the world because he was the one who mastered Mosaic Law.

"I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." A direct reference to the promise for complying with the Laws demands.

Abundant blessings and eternal life in the sanctuary of God. Which is not about a temple made by human hands anymore than Divine providence can be made by human hands.

 

[rightwinger]

Here ya go...
Slaves were to be treated as family members.
Cleanliness is well covered in Leviticus.
War is man's design, God said to seek peace and pursue it. Love over conflict.
Education is well covered in Proverbs.
God said if you don't take care of your families you have denied the faith, and are worse than a nonbeliever.

You plagiarized God's words and made them your own commands. Nice work...

Never actually made it as Commandments did they?

False idols and coveting were more important

 

[The Irish Ram]

They are “Commandments” from God

So are, don't eat pork. no lobster, observe Passover, unclean women removing themselves from the general public, Saturday sabbath, commanding a portion of your income to charity... to name a few.
When is the last time you observed Yom Kippur? If you are under God's orders regarding the Jews, you could be in trouble. Your works are failing you. Do you have the correct animal sacrifice for disobeying the commands that God gave the Jews observe?
In fact, I bet you don't even KNOW all 600+ laws you may be guilty of breaking...

 

[hobelim]

Christianity is a sect of Judaism.
A sub-set.

No. Early Christianity more closely resembled reform Judaism until it was perverted by Rome in 325ce and became assimilated by the existing secret MYSTERY RELIGION of the Roman government and military, Mithraism, which had nothing to do with Judaism. Ever.

In fact the practice of celebrating the death of Jesus as a perfect human sacrifice, the Jewish messiah, to a trinity on the Mithran cross is a brazen expression of defiance and hatred for the Hebrew God and desecration of the teachings of Jesus, WORDS from God.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Jesus said he was the light of the world because he was the one who mastered Mosaic Law

Nope. Although Christ fulfilled the Law for the Jews, Christ is the light of the world because He removed the sin of the world. He paid the price for all of us, not just those under the Law. And then handed it to us as a gift.
Accept the gift...

 

[hobelim]

He removed the sin of the world.

Sin is disobedience to the Law. The only way to remove sin is teaching the right way to do it.

So please explain to me why Christians are sinners if Jesus removed the sins of the world?

Take your time

 

[The Irish Ram]

Never actually made it as Commandments did they?

False idols and coveting were more important

The Jew were commanded to keep 613 laws. The first ten were no more important than the last. Break one, and you have broken them all, including the ones you cherry pick...
Eat a boiled crab, and you have broken every one of those 10...