Zone1 The Ten Commandments don't apply to us.

[frigidweirdo]

Yes. And the choices people make.

Yeah, by looking at the Bible and picking and choosing whatever they want, and ignoring whatever is inconvenient.

Every time you write a response, it's like you chose someone else's post to respond to.

 

[braalian]

The constitutional question is about whether the posting of them is tantamount to establishing religion.

why do you people even want the government to push the Ten Commandments?

The government’s the government and the church is the church

Zero overlap

 

[frigidweirdo]

The constitutional question is about whether the posting of them is tantamount to establishing religion.

Not really.

If I'm not religious, or of another religion, then I'm like "why are these here?"

If you're forcing religion on people, that's not a power the US government has.

It's not allowed to establish a religion, that's something prohibited. But where does it say it has the power to promote religion in government places? It doesn't.

 

[onefour1]

The Ten Commandments don't apply to us.​

This is a belief that leads to apostasy.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The Ten Commandments don't apply to us.​

This is a belief that leads to apostasy.

Might make for a better world. Seeing how the countries who attack the most, are countries who take their religious seriously.

 

[Woodznutz]

Who is "us"?

Come on maaaaan...

Most people in the U.S. (Can't speak for you Canucks).

 

[rosends]

why do you people even want the government to push the Ten Commandments?

The government’s the government and the church is the church

Zero overlap

I don't disagree. But if the content is called for based on the class then that's fine by me. I let the decorations support the goal, not become the goal.

 

[Woodznutz]

Though a Christian is under grace and not the Law, grace is not a ticket to purposely break the law. For sin is the transgression of the law and we're required to repent of our sins.

The 10 Commandments are a very pure & moral standard to live by. We're wise to incorporate them into our lives. They are, after all, the Words of God.

We should at the very least do that.

 

[The Irish Ram]

That is not a Jewish statement.

Right. It is New Testament. James 2:10

For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.

Although Ezekiel touched on it:

Ezekiel 18:24 But if a righteous man turns from his righteousness and practices iniquity, committing the same abominations as the wicked, will he live? None of the righteous acts he did will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness and sin he has committed, he will die.

 

[Woodznutz]

As for your comments about the ship. You're basically going against science and saying "well, God did it, so it could work". You just made something up, and you're going with it, no matter what the evidence is.

I assume you are referring to the ark, which wasn't a "ship". It was a huge floating warehouse.

 

[SaxonJackson]

Right. It is New Testament. James 2:10

For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.

Not a single soul on earth can keep the law perfectly. That's why we need the shed blood of Christ to cleanse us of our transgressions against the Laws of God.

 

[rosends]

Not really.

If I'm not religious, or of another religion, then I'm like "why are these here?"

If they have a reason to be there then that's why. If they don't (or if the reason is religious in nature) then they shouldn't be there IMHO but that's the case of whether posting them is a means or an end and if the former, a means for what.

If you're forcing religion on people, that's not a power the US government has.

Is having an inspirational quote from MLK on the wall "forcing" something in students? What about a picture of a Confederate flag on a posted about the Civil War? What is being forced?

It's not allowed to establish a religion, that's something prohibited. But where does it say it has the power to promote religion in government places? It doesn't.

That's true. So? Promoting a specific religion borders on government endorsement and establishing.

 

[White 6]

You see the Ten Commandments as being applicable to nations?

Really?

The people that live in nations, Absolutely!

 

[Woodznutz]

why do you people even want the government to push the Ten Commandments?

The government’s the government and the church is the church

Zero overlap

The government does push many of the commandments, most governments do. They just don't call them heavenly commandments. They pretend that they made them up themselves. If you trace the beginnings of the heavenly commandments, you'll find that only Israel was keeping them, albeit imperfectly. The gentile nations around weren't. God gave Israel the commandments to separate them from the gentiles and to make a great nation of them.

 

[Meriweather]

Yeah, by looking at the Bible and picking and choosing whatever they want, and ignoring whatever is inconvenient.

Every time you write a response, it's like you chose someone else's post to respond to.

Never mind then. I'm simply following the entire group's conversation, while some may be following a particular person.

 

[Woodznutz]

All the commandments do is keep order. They don't make people moral. Most are unable to do even that. They just don't want to be inconvenienced.

 

[Bad Bob]

The Ten Commandments don't apply to us.​

This is a belief that leads to apostasy.

...and leads to people worshiping false gods.

Pious people believe in a higher power. Materialistic people only support the here and now.

 

[BreezeWood]

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;"

I'm not quite ready to give up my heart yet. Check back in around 10 years.

there are no laws per the heavens ...

the spirit is inviolable than when it becomes broken by treachery and deceit those bibles are death traps.

an absurdity no free spirit should tolerate, not from the heavens - from phonies like abraham and moses, stone throwing jews terrorizing the world for their own self interest.


to give up your heart - ever.

 

[BreezeWood]

In a hypothetical case, I would happily support the posting of selected quotes from a variety of religions' texts if the goal (and content) was curricularly relevant. The selections are not ends but means so if a quote from Dostoevsky, MLK or Moses is related to the class goals and inspires thought and conversation, why not post it?

you will be posting those religious text inside your synagogue as well ... to pray too.

 

[BreezeWood]

Not a single soul on earth can keep the law perfectly. That's why we need the shed blood of Christ to cleanse us of our transgressions against the Laws of God.

- presume you are speaking for desert dwellers.

there is no such anomaly as perfect ... purity on the otherhand is attainable.