Zone1 The Ten Commandments don't apply to us.

[frigidweirdo]

I assume you are referring to the ark, which wasn't a "ship". It was a huge floating warehouse.

It doesn't matter what it was. It still needed to float, it still needed to be stable in a storm. It needed to be a ship, because we've never made "floating warehouses" out of wood. Because THEY SINK.

 

[frigidweirdo]

If they have a reason to be there then that's why. If they don't (or if the reason is religious in nature) then they shouldn't be there IMHO but that's the case of whether posting them is a means or an end and if the former, a means for what.

Is having an inspirational quote from MLK on the wall "forcing" something in students? What about a picture of a Confederate flag on a posted about the Civil War? What is being forced?

That's true. So? Promoting a specific religion borders on government endorsement and establishing.

There is no reason for any religious script to be in any government office. Government doesn't do religion. Government (supposedly) does governing. So, out the CONSTITUTION in places of government.

There's a big difference between having a quote from a guy who was trying to use politics to make people's lives better, than one about a religion.

The problem with having religious quotes in a place, like a court, is that if a Muslim goes to court and sees Christian symbols or quotes, then they're going to think the whole system is against them. As you said, it's bordering on (or going way beyond) government endorsing religion.

We know plenty of people who want the government to be religious, to follow their religion. If you give them an inch, they'll take your dick.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Never mind then. I'm simply following the entire group's conversation, while some may be following a particular person.

You seem to not understand how this forum works.

But yes, you talk to other people, and if you have something RELEVANT to say to what I'm saying, then you can reply. If it's not relevant, don't reply.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Believe in floating arks or floating warehouses.

I don't care.

But in public spaces, don't share it with me.

In my private places, you better not share it with me.

 

[BackAgain]

The people that live in nations, Absolutely!

Yes. The people. Consisting of individual persons. Absolutely!

 

[BackAgain]

You seem to not understand how this forum works.

But yes, you talk to other people, and if you have something RELEVANT to say to what I'm saying, then you can reply. If it's not relevant, don't reply.

You don’t get to unilaterally decide which comments are relevant.

It is frequently true that an argument being explicitly made (or at least the set up for an argument) comes in the form of a simple analogy. The fact pattern of the analogy might appear (on its face) to be “off topic.”
But that does not mean that the fuller argument (using the basis of the analogy) is irrelvant.

 

[SaxonJackson]

- presume you are speaking for desert dwellers.

there is no such anomaly as perfect ... purity on the otherhand is attainable.

Purity is attainable through Christ and His perfect sacrifice. But the purity is His. We're simply partakers.

 

[frigidweirdo]

You don’t get to unilaterally decide which comments are relevant.

It is frequently true that an argument being explicitly made (or at least the set up for an argument) comes in the form of a simple analogy. The fact pattern of the analogy might appear (on its face) to be “off topic.”
But that does not mean that the fuller argument (using the basis of the analogy) is irrelvant.

Yeah, I do.

If he writes something that has nothing to do with what I wrote, I can decide how I respond or whether I respond.

He doesn't have to reply to what I wrote and I don't have to reply to him.

That's how it goes.

 

[rosends]

There is no reason for any religious script to be in any government office.

Are you banning an employer from putting up a poster on the wall of the DOJ that says "justice, justice you should pursue"? But why shift the conversation to a "government office"?

Government doesn't do religion. Government (supposedly) does governing. So, out the CONSTITUTION in places of government.

OK. But why is that relevant to the posting of curricularly relevant material sourced from a religious text?

There's a big difference between having a quote from a guy who was trying to use politics to make people's lives better, than one about a religion.

What if that guy used politics to make people's lives better but the account of it is in the Bible? Don't go fuse container for content.

The problem with having religious quotes in a place, like a court, is that if a Muslim goes to court and sees Christian symbols or quotes, then they're going to think the whole system is against them. As you said, it's bordering on (or going way beyond) government endorsing religion.

Uotes and symbols are very different in certain ways.

 

[rosends]

Right. It is New Testament. James 2:10

For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.

Although Ezekiel touched on it:

Ezekiel 18:24 But if a righteous man turns from his righteousness and practices iniquity, committing the same abominations as the wicked, will he live? None of the righteous acts he did will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness and sin he has committed, he will die.

That verse is about some who changes his behavior.

 

[rightwinger]

And a quote from Harry Potter would establish Wizarding? Having a selection of text is not enforcing anything. The question is whether it might violate the establishment clause.

Congress shall pass no laws regarding establishment of religion

Mandating that schools post commandments to worship only one God does just that

 

[rosends]

Congress shall pass no laws regarding establishment of religion

Mandating that schools post commandments to worship only one God does just that

but no one is mandating a compliant behavior. Posting something for information or education isn't the same as enforcing a belief in the content. Or do you think it is, and you get offended when someone puts up the quote "Love Thy Neighbor As Thyself" because nice behavior should not be mandated if the source if biblical?

 

[Meriweather]

You seem to not understand how this forum works.

But yes, you talk to other people, and if you have something RELEVANT to say to what I'm saying, then you can reply. If it's not relevant, don't reply.

As it will make you very happy (and I seriously want you to be happy), I'll not respond to any more of your posts. Even better, if I should slip up, don't respond to any of mine as they seem to be incredibly hard for you to follow. Be happy. I have a feeling that you have no interest in how people practicing their faith can stumble or learn the hard way as they go along (what you call "cherry-picking"). This has happened from the beginning of time--and has been recorded in the Bible. Obviously, you are looking for reasons to bash both the Bible and people of faith, and as I am not a fellow-basher--and as you have no interest in the faith perspective--you have no use for my posts.

The last word is yours (if you wish) and then....Peace.

 

[Meriweather]

Congress shall pass no laws regarding establishment of religion

Mandating that schools post commandments to worship only one God does just that

Congress hasn't passed any laws establishing any religion. In fact, the Constitution mandates the freedom of religion. Therefore, what we should see in schools or any public place is religion being freely practiced. I would love walking down school corridors where quotes from all religions/faiths are cheerfully hanging side-by-side. And, why not have the occasional atheist quote as well.

 

[rightwinger]

Congress hasn't passed any laws establishing any religion. In fact, the Constitution mandates the freedom of religion. Therefore, what we should see in schools or any public place is religion being freely practiced. I would love walking down school corridors where quotes from all religions/faiths are cheerfully hanging side-by-side. And, why not have the occasional atheist quote as well.

Applies to all Government laws

You are free to practice your religion. You just can’t force it on others.

 

[rightwinger]

but no one is mandating a compliant behavior. Posting something for information or education isn't the same as enforcing a belief in the content. Or do you think it is, and you get offended when someone puts up the quote "Love Thy Neighbor As Thyself" because nice behavior should not be mandated if the source if biblical?

Ì am the Lord thy God, you shall have no Gods before me

 

[rosends]

Ì am the Lord thy God, you shall have no Gods before me

yes, that is a quote. "I am Iron Man" is also a quote. Does it also force a belief that Iron Man is real?

 

[rightwinger]

yes, that is a quote. "I am Iron Man" is also a quote. Does it also force a belief that Iron Man is real?

Now you are getting silly

 

[rosends]

Now you are getting silly

no, I am making a point. Putting something up on a wall isn't forcing compliance or even acceptance.

 

[rightwinger]

no, I am making a point. Putting something up on a wall isn't forcing compliance or even acceptance.

No, you are getting silly