" Should Ten Commandments Lithograph Injected Into Public Education As An Artifact From History Be Excluded From Science Classrooms ? "

[Monk-Eye]

" Should Ten Commandments Lithograph Injected Into Public Education As An Artifact From History Be Excluded From Science Classrooms ? "

* Purported Artifact From History As Science Requires Validation *

. Texas can require public schools to display Ten Commandments in classrooms, court rules .
DALLAS (AP) — Texas can require the Ten Commandments to be displayed in public schools, a U.S. appeals court ruled April 21 in a victory for conservatives who have long sought to incorporate more religion into classrooms.

The 9-8 decision by the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals delivered a boost to backers of similar laws in Arkansas and Louisiana. Opponents have argued that hanging the Ten Commandments in classrooms proselytizes to students and amounts to religious indoctrination by the government.


. The Ten Commandments return to classrooms: What will the Supreme Court do? .
Texas recently became the third state in two years, following Louisiana and Arkansas, to pass a law requiring Ten Commandments displays in public school classrooms. Soon after — like the other states that had passed such a law — it was sued over this policy.

 

[rightwinger]

Congress shall pass no laws regarding establishment of religion
I am the Lord, thy God, you shall have no God before me.

Texas requiring the Ten Commandments be posted in every classroom is a clear establishment of religion

 

[SweetSue92]

" Should Ten Commandments Lithograph Injected Into Public Education As An Artifact From History Be Excluded From Science Classrooms ? "

* Purported Artifact From History As Science Requires Validation *

. Texas can require public schools to display Ten Commandments in classrooms, court rules .
DALLAS (AP) — Texas can require the Ten Commandments to be displayed in public schools, a U.S. appeals court ruled April 21 in a victory for conservatives who have long sought to incorporate more religion into classrooms.

The 9-8 decision by the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals delivered a boost to backers of similar laws in Arkansas and Louisiana. Opponents have argued that hanging the Ten Commandments in classrooms proselytizes to students and amounts to religious indoctrination by the government.


. The Ten Commandments return to classrooms: What will the Supreme Court do? .
Texas recently became the third state in two years, following Louisiana and Arkansas, to pass a law requiring Ten Commandments displays in public school classrooms. Soon after — like the other states that had passed such a law — it was sued over this policy.

I'm sorry, but this is just dumb. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The Ten Commandments was written for God's people. Why are we posting about, say, adultery in school buildings? For pity's sake, we have bigger fish to fry, and I hope the SC will weigh in honorably on this. There is no educational content in posting these in schools, and no curricular reason for doing so.

And I say this as a Christian.

 

[SweetSue92]

" Should Ten Commandments Lithograph Injected Into Public Education As An Artifact From History Be Excluded From Science Classrooms ? "

* Purported Artifact From History As Science Requires Validation *

. Texas can require public schools to display Ten Commandments in classrooms, court rules .
DALLAS (AP) — Texas can require the Ten Commandments to be displayed in public schools, a U.S. appeals court ruled April 21 in a victory for conservatives who have long sought to incorporate more religion into classrooms.

The 9-8 decision by the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals delivered a boost to backers of similar laws in Arkansas and Louisiana. Opponents have argued that hanging the Ten Commandments in classrooms proselytizes to students and amounts to religious indoctrination by the government.


. The Ten Commandments return to classrooms: What will the Supreme Court do? .
Texas recently became the third state in two years, following Louisiana and Arkansas, to pass a law requiring Ten Commandments displays in public school classrooms. Soon after — like the other states that had passed such a law — it was sued over this policy.

Fwiw as a former music teacher I was fairly well-versed on when and how religious material can be accessed in schools. It's very difficult, for example, to teach the history of American music without the Spiritual, and teachers do not need to edit or eliminate these songs for "neutrality", as long as they remain neutral in teaching it. That is educational content; it's historical. Same could be said for much music by, say, Bach and Handel, etc.

But again simply posting something because you think it's good means somewhere in Dearborn, verses of the Koran are posted for the same reason.

 

[rightwinger]

The Senate bill would mandate that elementary and secondary schools in the Lone Star State "display in a conspicuous place in each classroom" a "durable poster" or "framed copy" of theTen Commandments.

The display would have to be large enough that it would be "legible to a person with average vision from anywhere in the classroom." Another requirement in the bill says the display will need to be "at least 16 inches wide and 20 inches tall." The House bill is word for word the same.

 

[Hafar1014]

The Senate bill would mandate that elementary and secondary schools in the Lone Star State "display in a conspicuous place in each classroom" a "durable poster" or "framed copy" of theTen Commandments.

The display would have to be large enough that it would be "legible to a person with average vision from anywhere in the classroom." Another requirement in the bill says the display will need to be "at least 16 inches wide and 20 inches tall." The House bill is word for word the same.

Thats unconstituional

 

[pknopp]

What does the 10 commandments have to do with science? Civics class? OK, but science?

 

[rightwinger]

Thats unconstituional

Let’s see if the Roberts Court agrees

 

[Hafar1014]

Let’s see if the Roberts Court agrees

I think thats already been ruled on.
The 5-4 opinion in Stone v. Graham centered on what’s known as the Lemon test, which came from a 1971 ruling, Lemon v. Kurtzman, which considered how to determine whether a state statute violates the establishment clause.

In that case, the court outlined a three-part test. First, a statute had to be found to have a secular purpose. Second, the statute could not promote or restrict religious beliefs or practices. And third, the statute could not foster excessive church-state entanglement (an admittedly nebulous standard).

In Stone, the majority determined Kentucky’s law violated the first prong, since the “preeminent purpose of posting the Ten Commandments” was “plainly religious in nature,” even if Kentucky lawmakers claimed they were celebrating the Ten Commandments’ historical, rather than religious, value.

 

[rightwinger]

think thats already been ruled on.
The 5-4 opinion in Stone v. Graham centered on what’s known as the Lemon test, which came from a 1971 ruling,

Which is why we have a Supreme Court
To evaluate rulings of lower courts

 

[rightwinger]

Fwiw as a former music teacher I was fairly well-versed on when and how religious material can be accessed in schools. It's very difficult, for example, to teach the history of American music without the Spiritual,

Music class was one of the first to be challenged on the use of religious songs.

Students of all faiths were required to sing religious songs for Christmas

 

[Hafar1014]

Music class was one of the first to be challenged on the use of religious songs.

Students of all faiths were required to sing religious songs for Christmas

They cant be required but they can volunteer

 

[SweetSue92]

Music class was one of the first to be challenged on the use of religious songs.

Students of all faiths were required to sing religious songs for Christmas

That's right. And it's Constitutional as long as it's even and fair.

No. Really.

 

[SweetSue92]

I think thats already been ruled on.
The 5-4 opinion in Stone v. Graham centered on what’s known as the Lemon test, which came from a 1971 ruling, Lemon v. Kurtzman, which considered how to determine whether a state statute violates the establishment clause.

In that case, the court outlined a three-part test. First, a statute had to be found to have a secular purpose. Second, the statute could not promote or restrict religious beliefs or practices. And third, the statute could not foster excessive church-state entanglement (an admittedly nebulous standard).

In Stone, the majority determined Kentucky’s law violated the first prong, since the “preeminent purpose of posting the Ten Commandments” was “plainly religious in nature,” even if Kentucky lawmakers claimed they were celebrating the Ten Commandments’ historical, rather than religious, value.

This is the case cited by music teachers, fwiw.

 

[SweetSue92]

They cant be required but they can volunteer

What are you talking about?

Every choir kid everywhere for the most part learned Handel's "Hallelujah Chorus", wrongly attributed to Christmas (it's the Easter portion of the Messiah, but whatever). It says, "For the Lord omnipotent reigneth" among many other things. This is not on a volunteer basis; if you're in choir, it's for a GRADE

 

[rightwinger]

That's right. And it's Constitutional as long as it's even and fair.

No. Really.

In studying the history of music, it is hard to exclude the contributions of religious music.

In studying the history of Rock and Roll, you have to look at Gospel and Soul Music and how it influenced contemporary music

Classical Music had heavy Christian influences

 

[SweetSue92]

Music class was one of the first to be challenged on the use of religious songs.

Students of all faiths were required to sing religious songs for Christmas

We make kids sing John Lennon's "Imagine" all the time, a stupid song if I ever heard one. Every time it comes on I end up saying "Great John, give us all your money. And your cars. And your mansions"

The song says "imagine there's no heaven" and yet Christian kids are routinely required to sing it

 

[SweetSue92]

In studying the history of music, it is hard to exclude the contributions of religious music.

In studying the history of Rock and Roll, you have to look at Soul Music and how it influenced contemporary music

Classical Music had heavy Christian influences

Right, and that's the Lemon law, 1971