Sunni Man
Diamond Member
You are soo predictable.Don’t try that one, it’s gormless, and shows what you’re really about.
Can't dispute the facts, so you attack the messenger. ...
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You are soo predictable.Don’t try that one, it’s gormless, and shows what you’re really about.
Yes, but we could have been far far worse like most everyone else--------------Our part in slavery was wrong. What any other country did doesn't change that.
Great comeback response!! ...Go away.
I noticed that the British writers left out what the English did with all their enslaved humans.
Histories of the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade typically focus on those enslaved in the North American colonies and often overlook its Southern counterpart. However, those enslaved in North America during the colonial period were a minority; only 6% of Africans were taken to the East Coast of North America between 1500 and 1870.
Slave imports from Africa were overwhelmingly taken to South America and the Caribbean. Although the Southern United States is renowned for its past brutality towards the slave population, those enslaved in areas such as Brazil, Colombia and Bolivia experienced a much harsher reality.
The South American slave trade
Kate Ayling writes a potted history of the South American slave trade, often overlooked in favour of the more prominent trade in North America.manchesterhistorian.com
Wait until you get to their excuses of why it was ok to kill and take land and possessions of those in other parts of the planet.Our part in slavery was wrong. What any other country did doesn't change that.
Christians wrapped slavery up in notions about Ham in the Old Testament. That seems to be the prevailing justification for slavery.
I noticed that the British writers left out what the English did with all their enslaved humans.
Histories of the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade typically focus on those enslaved in the North American colonies and often overlook its Southern counterpart. However, those enslaved in North America during the colonial period were a minority; only 6% of Africans were taken to the East Coast of North America between 1500 and 1870.
Slave imports from Africa were overwhelmingly taken to South America and the Caribbean. Although the Southern United States is renowned for its past brutality towards the slave population, those enslaved in areas such as Brazil, Colombia and Bolivia experienced a much harsher reality.
The South American slave trade
Kate Ayling writes a potted history of the South American slave trade, often overlooked in favour of the more prominent trade in North America.manchesterhistorian.com
Portuguese Jews financed the first W. African expedition and built the first sugar plantations off of the coast of W. Africa. An Island they named Sao Tome around 1470.Although not taught in school, it was the Dutch Jews who started and ran the African slave trade in both North and South America. ....In 1619, the Dutch introduced the first captured Africans to America, planting the seeds of a slavery system that evolved into a nightmare of abuse and cruelty that would ultimately divide the nation.
Although not taught in school, it was the Dutch Jews who started and ran the African slave trade in both North and South America. ....In 1619, the Dutch introduced the first captured Africans to America, planting the seeds of a slavery system that evolved into a nightmare of abuse and cruelty that would ultimately divide the nation.
You again?
Not interested.
European jews mainly financed the slave trade to the America's, making huge profits on their investment.
But weren't about to get their hands dirty by running the plantations. ...
That era of discovery, trade, had multiple contributing factors.Although not taught in school, it was the Dutch Jews who started and ran the African slave trade in both North and South America. ....In 1619, the Dutch introduced the first captured Africans to America, planting the seeds of a slavery system that evolved into a nightmare of abuse and cruelty that would ultimately divide the nation.
You again?
Not interested.
The Jewish people arrived in Recif from Amsterdam in the 1500s.. much earlier than 1619. They became stockholders in the Dutch West Indies Company and expanded their interests to owning ships to import-export and brokerage as well as insuring cargo. I think they were called "factors".
They were clever and industrious. I don't think you can fault them for seeking their fortunes in the New World.
I noticed that the British writers left out what the English did with all their enslaved humans.
Histories of the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade typically focus on those enslaved in the North American colonies and often overlook its Southern counterpart. However, those enslaved in North America during the colonial period were a minority; only 6% of Africans were taken to the East Coast of North America between 1500 and 1870.
Slave imports from Africa were overwhelmingly taken to South America and the Caribbean. Although the Southern United States is renowned for its past brutality towards the slave population, those enslaved in areas such as Brazil, Colombia and Bolivia experienced a much harsher reality.
The South American slave trade
Kate Ayling writes a potted history of the South American slave trade, often overlooked in favour of the more prominent trade in North America.manchesterhistorian.com
As you’re here to tell us, go ahead.
Really? That's what you're gonna go with? It could have been worse? I'm sure that is a perfectly acceptable justification for slavery at your white supremacist rallies.Yes, but we could have been far far worse like most everyone else--------------Our part in slavery was wrong. What any other country did doesn't change that.
Explaining global slavery, why it happened is not justifying it you wacko. Stop putting words in other people's mouths. And yes it could have been worse, 400,000 Chinese slaves died building their Great Wall.Really? That's what you're gonna go with? It could have been worse? I'm sure that is a perfectly acceptable justification for slavery at your white supremacist rallies.Yes, but we could have been far far worse like most everyone else--------------Our part in slavery was wrong. What any other country did doesn't change that.
I thought the Jews were a big part in creating the slave trade. I recently seen some articles on that. But like OP said, I don't think she is interested in the Jewish slave trade. Although that is another rabbit hole to go down.
Many of the Spanish traders were, pretty much all of those were Sephardics, but most of the financing came for the Spanish Crown, the Papal Treasury, and assorted aristocrats and wealthy plantation owners. In numbers, there were very few Jews overall. The main slave trading posts were on the Gold Coast, and the traders had to compete for slaves with several local rulers, who bought them to mine gold and farm.
Raymond Kea is an historian who wrote extensively on the African economy in medieval times and later, and has a book specifically on the Gold Coast trade, not just in slaves but other goods as well, mostly handled by the Dutch. The Muslim slave trade was far more extensive, and they practiced full frontal castration of male slaves and killed them all when they were too old to work or unaffordable for whatever reason, which is why you see hardly any blacks in the ME despite thousands of years of an active slave trade.
They were Sephardic. When they left Spain many went to Amsterdam and because they were apparently knowledgeable about irrigation they signed on the Dutch West Indies Company and went to Brazil to manage the Sugar Plantations which were basically failing up till then.. The archives in both Holland and Recif are a rich source of ship's names and ownership (stockholders) as well as cargo manifests, passengers and their occupations.
Muslims didn't have plantations and did not keep many slaves because they couldn't feed them.
You find black Muslims more in coastal areas from trade with East Africa and the Indus Valley much, much earlier than the 1500s... (300 AD) Many of the Barbary Coast pirates were European renegades.
Explaining global slavery, why it happened is not justifying it you wacko. Stop putting words in other people's mouths. And yes it could have been worse, 400,000 Chinese slaves died building their Great Wall.Really? That's what you're gonna go with? It could have been worse? I'm sure that is a perfectly acceptable justification for slavery at your white supremacist rallies.Yes, but we could have been far far worse like most everyone else--------------Our part in slavery was wrong. What any other country did doesn't change that.
I thought the Jews were a big part in creating the slave trade. I recently seen some articles on that. But like OP said, I don't think she is interested in the Jewish slave trade. Although that is another rabbit hole to go down.
Many of the Spanish traders were, pretty much all of those were Sephardics, but most of the financing came for the Spanish Crown, the Papal Treasury, and assorted aristocrats and wealthy plantation owners. In numbers, there were very few Jews overall. The main slave trading posts were on the Gold Coast, and the traders had to compete for slaves with several local rulers, who bought them to mine gold and farm.
Raymond Kea is an historian who wrote extensively on the African economy in medieval times and later, and has a book specifically on the Gold Coast trade, not just in slaves but other goods as well, mostly handled by the Dutch. The Muslim slave trade was far more extensive, and they practiced full frontal castration of male slaves and killed them all when they were too old to work or unaffordable for whatever reason, which is why you see hardly any blacks in the ME despite thousands of years of an active slave trade.
They were Sephardic. When they left Spain many went to Amsterdam and because they were apparently knowledgeable about irrigation they signed on the Dutch West Indies Company and went to Brazil to manage the Sugar Plantations which were basically failing up till then.. The archives in both Holland and Recif are a rich source of ship's names and ownership (stockholders) as well as cargo manifests, passengers and their occupations.
Muslims didn't have plantations and did not keep many slaves because they couldn't feed them.
You find black Muslims more in coastal areas from trade with East Africa and the Indus Valley much, much earlier than the 1500s... (300 AD) Many of the Barbary Coast pirates were European renegades.
Jews didn't all leave Spain, and Muslims had a slave economy. In any case, private ship owners could be and were hired for other countries' trading expeditions. Columbus was an Italian, not a Spaniard, for instance. You find blacks in Muslim countries that didn't murder them all, and outside the ME Muslim countries. The vast majority of the Barbary Coast pirates were Arabs and north african muslims.