The complicity of African Negroes in the Slave Trade

[Kruska]

The vikings were big slave traders. Read vikings in the east. It's a journal.

The Vikings were NOT a European Nation - and they were NOT big slave traders

The RUS - former Vikings mixed foremost and in majority with Slavic people and folks such as the Magyars and other Eastern Slavic people e.g. those from the Baltic areas - engaged in slave aka serfdom. You have a source that the Rus were "big" in slave trading? AFAIK they were big in promoting and establishing serfdom in their own fiefs, aka the Kiev Rus Federation- which eventually lasted in Russia and some eastern European countries till WW1.

The Black Sea, Russia, and eastern Europe exported slaves throughout the medieval period. Most had been born free but were enslaved through capture or occasionally through sale by relatives. During the eighth through tenth centuries, slaves were traded from eastern Europe and the Baltic to elite households in Byzantium and the Islamic world

Slavers and traders active in the East (in this case signifying the eastern Baltic region, European Russia, Belarus, the Ukraine, the Black Sea region,Byzantium, the Caucasus and beyond), usually appeared under the contested designations Rus’, or Varangians in contemporary sources. Rus’ identity is ambiguous inasmuch as the word variously refers to Slavs, Scandinavians, or an amalgamation of ethnic groups. The term has been the subject of long-standing controversy, and is today mostly understood as a gradually developing hybrid ethnic group, incorporating not only Slavic and Scandinavian but also Finno-Ugric, Baltic, and Turkic elements.

 

[JoeB131]

Someone who lives in Indonesia - and earns (per/capita US$ 4350) aka around US$ 350/month is NOT dirt poor

$350 a month is poverty... sorry.

Indonesia's New Poor People are the Second Largest in Asia, Multidimensional Poverty Must Be a Concern – The PRAKARSA

theprakarsa.org

 

[Kruska]

$350 a month is poverty... sorry.

Only for an American or Western-European judging and evaluating a lifestyle based on their own economies aka buying power.

Before you stated dirt poor - upon losing your failed argument you now you change to poverty, are you even aware of the differences?
And yes, e.g. US$ 50 or US$ 90/month in Tanzania or Madagascar is INDEED dirt poor.

According to Salary Explorer, the average monthly salary in Indonesia is 12,100,000 Indonesian Rupiah or 818 US Dollars.
Taking into account that a Family might only have one earner - a wife at home and e.g. three children - that income becomes a statistic of e.g. annual per/capita of US$ 4400 in Indonesia. An Indonesian family making US$ 818/month is considered to be WELL OFF

Nigeria - average monthly salary is US$ 750 (more or less the same as Indonesia) however the annual GDP/capita in Nigeria is only US$ 2100 - therefore anyone with brains will realize that the employment rate in Nigeria is far lower then that of Indonesia. Therefore creating far more poverty in Nigeria then in Indonesia.

Which isn't surprising since manufacturing in Nigeria only accounts for 15% of GDP - whilst it accounts for 28% in Indonesia.

Aka Nigeria is a total looser compared to Indonesia - and as I had stated earlier on, Nigeria is a single land-based country - whilst Indonesia consists of 17,000 islands (around 7000 inhabited)
You got any idea as to infrastructure related programs and clever investments are necessary in Indonesia, compared to Nigeria? How many e.g. tarmac airports does Indonesia have compared to Nigeria? How many harbors and infrastructure? how many km of tarred roads? And make no mistake Indonesia's rural roads are very good.

Look at Negro presidents and their Ministerial government elitists (qualification) - then look at those in Indonesia!!! In vast majority educated and spiced with university degrees (mostly technical) from Germany and the USA. I know/knew e.g. Mugabe, Nkomo, Nujoma, Kaunda, etc. PERSONALLY - same goes for Indonesia's Suharto, Habibie, Megawati and Bangbang as well as Malaysia's Mahathir, Badawi, Najib, Anwar - Absolutely day and night between those Negros and Indonesian/Malays and their respective Ministers - who do you know personally? you haven't even been to Africa.

But you can state "assumptions" all day long.

 

[JoeB131]

Only for an American or Western-European judging and evaluating a lifestyle based on their own economies aka buying power.

Right, those crazy American lifestyles like 'Having enough food to eat" and "Having a roof that doesn't leak when it rains". Those crazy ideas.

Look at Negro presidents and their Ministerial government elitists (qualification) - then look at those in Indonesia!!! In vast majority educated and spiced with university degrees (mostly technical) from Germany and the USA. I know/knew e.g. Mugabe, Nkomo, Nujoma, Kaunda, etc. PERSONALLY - same goes for Indonesia's Suharto, Habibie, Megawati and Bangbang as well as Malaysia's Mahathir, Badawi, Najib, Anwar - Absolutely day and night between those Negros and Indonesian/Malays and their respective Ministers - who do you know personally? you haven't even been to Africa.

Oh, you knew all these people. Really? talk about delusions of grandeur.

 

[surada]

The Vikings were NOT a European Nation - and they were NOT big slave traders

The RUS - former Vikings mixed foremost and in majority with Slavic people and folks such as the Magyars and other Eastern Slavic people e.g. those from the Baltic areas - engaged in slave aka serfdom. You have a source that the Rus were "big" in slave trading? AFAIK they were big in promoting and establishing serfdom in their own fiefs, aka the Kiev Rus Federation- which eventually lasted in Russia and some eastern European countries till WW1.

The Black Sea, Russia, and eastern Europe exported slaves throughout the medieval period. Most had been born free but were enslaved through capture or occasionally through sale by relatives. During the eighth through tenth centuries, slaves were traded from eastern Europe and the Baltic to elite households in Byzantium and the Islamic world

Slavers and traders active in the East (in this case signifying the eastern Baltic region, European Russia, Belarus, the Ukraine, the Black Sea region,Byzantium, the Caucasus and beyond), usually appeared under the contested designations Rus’, or Varangians in contemporary sources. Rus’ identity is ambiguous inasmuch as the word variously refers to Slavs, Scandinavians, or an amalgamation of ethnic groups. The term has been the subject of long-standing controversy, and is today mostly understood as a gradually developing hybrid ethnic group, incorporating not only Slavic and Scandinavian but also Finno-Ugric, Baltic, and Turkic elements.

True. Vikings aren't European

 

[Kruska]

Right, those crazy American lifestyles like 'Having enough food to eat" and "Having a roof that doesn't leak when it rains". Those crazy ideas.

Correct - absolutely crazy to state that an Indonesian household - consisting of a single provider earning US$820, a wife, 3 kids and two grandparents, wouldn't have enough to eat and wouldn't have a house or apartment whose roof doesn't leak.

BTW - he would even have a car. - You simply got no idea as to what you talk about.

Oh, you knew all these people. Really?

Not just these people - but dozens of their Ministers, Governors, Royalties and their top Military brass
That is why I know so much - and you don't know shit

 

[surada]

I have noticed an irritating and spreading convention which I fear may be enforced by government decree. This is to refer to a man's slaves as the people he enslaved. For example, one will not write, "Thomas Jefferson owned one hundred slaves." One will write "Thomas Jefferson enslaved one hundred African Americans."

The intention of this convention is to deny the complicity of Negroes in the slave trade. Thomas Jefferson did not enslave anyone. He inherited some of his slaves. He bought others, The final number were born on his plantation to slaves he already owned.

The French Encyclopedia was published in France between 1751 and 1772. Famous French writers contributed to it, including Diderot, d'Alembert, and Voltaire.

It includes an essay entitled "Negroes," by Le Romain. Liker many whites at the time, he disapproved of slavery, and described it as "this loathsome commerce, which is opposed to natural law."

He also described how African Negroes contributed to the slave trade. He wrote:

"There are those Negroes who ambush each other while the European vessels are lying at anchor; and they bring those they have captured to the vessels to sell them and have them loaded on board against their wills. Then one sees sons selling their fathers, fathers their children,. Still more frequently one sees Negroes who are not linked by family ties put a price of a few bottles of brandy or bars of iron on each other's freedom."

Shortly after the end of the American Revolution the British Navy took the lead in suppressing the slave trade. While this happened, an African chief traveled to London to protest the actions of the British Navy, complaining that his tribe had made a fortune in the slave trade.

While the European trade in Negro slaves continued, the Arab trade in European wgutes existed. European whites did not contribute. Eventually European military actions crushed the Arab slave trace in whites. The passage "to the shores of Tripoli" in the Marine's Hymn celebrated efforts by the United States Marines to stop the trade in white slaves. Algeria was conquered by the French to stop the Arab slave trade in whites.

After slavery was outlawed by whites in European empires and the United States the Arab slave trade in Negroes continued. This was crushed by European military action.

See Volga Vikings.

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The Vikings in the East | ASNC Viking Age

www.asncvikingage.com

 

[Kruska]

True. Vikings aren't European

Huh?? of-course they were Europeans - but they never constituted as a European Nation.
The Viking era basically ends around 850 A.D. and Kingdoms/Nations such as Denmark, Norway, Sweden only came up from 1050 A.D. onwards.

 

[surada]

Huh?? of-course they were Europeans - but they never constituted as a European Nation.
The Viking era basically ends around 850 A.D. and Kingdoms/Nations such as Denmark, Norway, Sweden only came up from 1050 A.D. onwards.

I would call them Scandinavian, but okay. The journal of in Fadlan is fascinating. He was a navigator for the Vikings.

Viking Answer Lady Webpage - Risala: Ibn Fadlan's Account of the Rus

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www.vikinganswerlady.com

 

[JoeB131]

Not just these people - but dozens of their Ministers, Governors, Royalties and their top Military brass
That is why I know so much - and you don't know shit

Yes, delusions of grandeur.

You know all these people, but think they use Kanji in Taiwan and the Filipinos aren't Asian and Apartheid wasn't all that bad.

 

[Kruska]

I would call them Scandinavian, but okay. The journal of in Fadlan is fascinating. He was a navigator for the Vikings.

Viking Answer Lady Webpage - Risala: Ibn Fadlan's Account of the Rus

description goes here

www.vikinganswerlady.com

Okay, and Scandinavians are Europeans just as Iberian's or e.g. those strange people living on the British Isles.

 

[Kruska]

Yes, delusions of grandeur.

You know all these people, but think they use Kanji in Taiwan and the Filipinos aren't Asian and Apartheid wasn't all that bad.

I never stated that Taiwanese use Kanji,
I never stated that Filipinos aren't Asian
I never stated that Apartheid wasn't all that bad

You are a liar - who is unable to accept facts - and resorts to infantile actions upon loosing an argument - Now feel free TO FUCK OFF

 

[JoeB131]

I never stated that Taiwanese use Kanji,
I never stated that Filipinos aren't Asian
I never stated that Apartheid wasn't all that bad

Actually, you've said all those things, you just tried to make them sound "smarter" when it was just misinformation.

 

[Kruska]

Actually, you've said all those things, you just tried to make them sound "smarter" when it was just misinformation.

Again you are simply lying your ass off - source my statements and proof that you would be correct
Off course you can't - since I never stated that - so which part of Fuck off is it that you don't understand?

 

[AZrailwhale]

$350 a month is poverty... sorry.

Indonesia's New Poor People are the Second Largest in Asia, Multidimensional Poverty Must Be a Concern – The PRAKARSA

theprakarsa.org

Not necessarily. It all depends on the cost of living. In 1940 the median monthly wage for an American man was $79.66. In 1960 the median American monthly wage was $466.66. So $350.00 a month is certainly NOT poverty. Poverty is relative to cost of living.

 

[JoeB131]

Again you are simply lying your ass off - source my statements and proof that you would be correct
Off course you can't - since I never stated that - so which part of Fuck off is it that you don't understand?

The part where I enjoy your little tantrum, Cliff.

Not necessarily. It all depends on the cost of living. In 1940 the median monthly wage for an American man was $79.66. In 1960 the median American monthly wage was $466.66. So $350.00 a month is certainly NOT poverty. Poverty is relative to cost of living.

Looks pretty poor to me.

 

[AZrailwhale]

The part where I enjoy your little tantrum, Cliff.



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Looks pretty poor to me.

Look right behind it.

 

[Libby von H]

I have noticed an irritating and spreading convention which I fear may be enforced by government decree. This is to refer to a man's slaves as the people he enslaved. For example, one will not write, "Thomas Jefferson owned one hundred slaves." One will write "Thomas Jefferson enslaved one hundred African Americans."

The intention of this convention is to deny the complicity of Negroes in the slave trade. Thomas Jefferson did not enslave anyone. He inherited some of his slaves. He bought others, The final number were born on his plantation to slaves he already owned.

The French Encyclopedia was published in France between 1751 and 1772. Famous French writers contributed to it, including Diderot, d'Alembert, and Voltaire.

It includes an essay entitled "Negroes," by Le Romain. Liker many whites at the time, he disapproved of slavery, and described it as "this loathsome commerce, which is opposed to natural law."

He also described how African Negroes contributed to the slave trade. He wrote:

"There are those Negroes who ambush each other while the European vessels are lying at anchor; and they bring those they have captured to the vessels to sell them and have them loaded on board against their wills. Then one sees sons selling their fathers, fathers their children,. Still more frequently one sees Negroes who are not linked by family ties put a price of a few bottles of brandy or bars of iron on each other's freedom."

Shortly after the end of the American Revolution the British Navy took the lead in suppressing the slave trade. While this happened, an African chief traveled to London to protest the actions of the British Navy, complaining that his tribe had made a fortune in the slave trade.

While the European trade in Negro slaves continued, the Arab trade in European wgutes existed. European whites did not contribute. Eventually European military actions crushed the Arab slave trace in whites. The passage "to the shores of Tripoli" in the Marine's Hymn celebrated efforts by the United States Marines to stop the trade in white slaves. Algeria was conquered by the French to stop the Arab slave trade in whites.

After slavery was outlawed by whites in European empires and the United States the Arab slave trade in Negroes continued. This was crushed by European military action.

The real error is deeper .In the FIRST draft of the Declaration of Independence Jefferson wrote ---and others cut it out/


He makes the following points about slavery:

He has waged cruel War against human Nature itself, violating its most sacred Rights of Life and Liberty in the Persons of a distant People who never offended him, captivating and carrying them into Slavery in another Hemisphere, or to incur miserable Death, in their Transportation thither. This piratical Warfare, the opprobrium of infidel Powers, is the Warfare of the Christian King of Great Britain.
He has prostituted his Negative for Suppressing every legislative Attempt to prohibit or to restrain an execrable Commerce, determined to keep open a Markett where Men should be bought and sold, and that this assemblage of Horrors might want no Fact of distinguished Die

 

[Grumblenuts]

The real error is deeper .In the FIRST draft of the Declaration of Independence Jefferson wrote ---and others cut it out/


He makes the following points about slavery:

He then declared them all free and quit boinking the females.

 

[Lisa558]

He then declared them all free and quit boinking the females.

I don’t believe that Jefferson freed his slaves. He bequeathed them to his heirs. THEY freed them.