The roots of the rising violence in Gaza and Israel

[Indeependent]

Tactless and pointless. Pretty typical for you.

How can you possibly be so clueless? Since when does fishing and farming involve hurling rockets at Israeli population centers?

If the killing of Islamic terrorist agents prevents and even slows the advanced weaponization of Gaza, then so be it. The Hamas Charter has consequences. When Islamic terrorists believe they can kill or threaten Israelis with impunity, it's time for Israel to act.

You have no counter other than the usual drivel you cut and paste.

Israel's capture in 1967 of Sinai, the West Bank, Gaza, and the Golan Heights was in response to Arab aggression. Israel's voluntary return of all Sinai to Egypt followed formal recognition and peace treaty with Egypt.

The lesson is the willingness of Israel to return land for peace with her neighbors.
This underlies all treaties and actions (even the unilateral withdrawals from south Lebanon and from Gaza) that followed from 1982 to the present day.
A similar peace with Syria will lead to the return of most if not all of the Golan.

The Islamic terrorists who have infested Gaza following Israeli's unilateral withdrawal is another matter. It is now an Islamic terrorist rat's nest.



You just slithered away.



You're so befuddled, you're reduced to juvenile attempts at insult. What a shame your arguments are flaccid.



The Islamic terrorists in Gaza committed an act of war.

How is it that you're so clueless to that fact?


You're repeating yourself. I already answered this the first time you asked (in this thread).

Or, if you feel too threatened, just make a statement about the Jews controlling the media or and go back to your cliff's notes to the Communist /islamist Manifesto.

I knew it was only a matter of time before you played your J-card.

I knew you would slither away when confronted with facts you are clueless to respond to.

Israel's government has agreed in principle to the creation of a sovereign Palestinian state, but with the proviso that any such state must 1) recognize Israel and concede its right to exist; and 2) maintain control over its people sufficient to prevent further violence against Israelis and their lands. Again, anyone with three functioning brain cells (to exclude you, of course), can see that the moment for the fulfillment of this promise has not yet arrived. Not only are Rockets still flying out of the Islamic terrorist enclave but HAMAS terrorist spokesbeards have recently repeated their refusal to recognize Israel, now or ever. So a Palestinian state accorded full sovereignty would automatically be at war with Israel from the moment of its birth.

If you needed additional evidence that HAMAS and the "affiliated militants" are as stupid as they are vicious, here it is: the intentional placing of their rockets in civilian areas. The rockets with which the "Palestinian" Arab terrorists have peppered Israel have had relatively little effect, as one would expect from lightweight homemade projectiles of their sort. Their suicide bombers have slaughtered many innocents, and are justly regarded as unspeakably vile, but they have a public-relations affect: the perpetrator dies in the attack, which leaves his connection to any larger organization or movement a seemingly arguable matter until one or more of the islamist Death Cults take credit for it.

Flail your pom poms for the next round of rockets hurled at Israel by your Islamic terrorist heroes. That will be followed by my hope for an Israeli response that will bring down every bit of Islamic terrorist infrastructure and reduce Islamic terrorists to charred spots on the ground.

I find it interesting that I specifically addressed each one of your lunatic points, but you however, cannot address a single point of mine.

You're one of the most disingenuous posters at this website.

The cause of all the violence is the occupation.

It has nothing to do with your revisionist history.
Really...nothing.
Muslim history MUST be right...
After all, they have the world's lowest literacy rates.

 

[irosie91]

I don't remember you ever making a point Billo-----I am certainly willing
to try to address any POINT you wish to present------go for it Billo---
a POINT please------any POINT of your choice

 

[Indeependent]

If the occupation IS the problem why are Muslims murdering each other, not to mention murdering Christians, all over their slimy nations?

That has nothing to do with this discussion.

Then neither does yours since my post is simply your post turned around.

 

[Billo_Really]

It has nothing to do with your revisionist history.
Really...nothing.
Muslim history MUST be right...
After all, they have the world's lowest literacy rates.

I'm not talking about Muslim history and I'm not revising anything.

Occupations are supposed to be temporary. This ones been going on for 47 years.

Palestinian's have a right to their freedom.

Why can't Gazans leave Gaza,
without getting permission from Israel?​

 

[Billo_Really]

Then neither does yours since my post is simply your post turned around.

No it's not. Your post has nothing to do with the occupation. That's what this thread is about!

 

[Billo_Really]

I don't remember you ever making a point Billo-----I am certainly willing
to try to address any POINT you wish to present------go for it Billo---
a POINT please------any POINT of your choice

What would you do, if you lived under the belligerent occupation of a foreign force?

 

[Indeependent]

I don't remember you ever making a point Billo-----I am certainly willing
to try to address any POINT you wish to present------go for it Billo---
a POINT please------any POINT of your choice

What would you do, if you lived under the belligerent occupation of a foreign force?

Were the British so bad?

 

[Indeependent]

Then neither does yours since my post is simply your post turned around.

No it's not. Your post has nothing to do with the occupation. That's what this thread is about!

Your hypothesis that some occupation causes Muslim violence is nullified by the hundreds of millions of Muslims who commit violence in their own borders.
Your hypothesis of where to place blame FAILS.

 

[irosie91]

It has nothing to do with your revisionist history.
Really...nothing.
Muslim history MUST be right...
After all, they have the world's lowest literacy rates.

I'm not talking about Muslim history and I'm not revising anything.

Occupations are supposed to be temporary. This ones been going on for 47 years.

Palestinian's have a right to their freedom.

Why can't Gazans leave Gaza,
without getting permission from Israel?​

That's your point Billo? its like this-----in war---the vanquished are supposed to
surrender and accept terms. In fact----gaza remains in a state of war with
Israel-------therefore the OCCUPATION is actually very legal. If Japan had not
surrendered in 1945----the US would still be occupying Japan. What Gaza and the
arab league really want -----is for Israel to give up that which it WON
in 1967 so that the PRE 1967 situation can be restored and ----the arabs
can stage a DO OVER of that war. It would be like Hitler demanding that
D - day be unraveled----the Russians and US etc get out of Germany----and he
simply have another GO at it

 

[Billo_Really]

That's your point Billo? its like this-----in war---the vanquished are supposed to
surrender and accept terms. In fact----gaza remains in a state of war with
Israel-------therefore the OCCUPATION is actually very legal. If Japan had not
surrendered in 1945----the US would still be occupying Japan. What Gaza and the
arab league really want -----is for Israel to give up that which it WON
in 1967 so that the PRE 1967 situation can be restored and ----the arabs
can stage a DO OVER of that war. It would be like Hitler demanding that
D - day be unraveled----the Russians and US etc get out of Germany----and he
simply have another GO at it

This is not a war. A war is fought between two armies of comparable strength. That's not what we have here.

What we have, is the brutal aggression of the most militarized country on the planet, against an occupied population that is not permitted to have weapons to defend itself, nor are they allowed to leave of their own free will.

Why are Gazans not allowed to leave?


Why are Gazans not allowed to leave?


Why are Gazans not allowed to leave?

 

[Indeependent]

Gee, why did 5 Arab nations attack in 1948?
I know, they DIDN'T attack.
Israelis went to the gym, got in good shape and beat up all the Arab's tanks.
What exactly do you smoke?

 

[Billo_Really]

Your hypothesis that some occupation causes Muslim violence is nullified by the hundreds of millions of Muslims who commit violence in their own borders.
Your hypothesis of where to place blame FAILS.

First off, there is no "some occupation" and second, what happens in places that do not have an occupation, is irrelevant here.

Why can't you talk about what it is like to live under the occupation of a foreign force?

 

[Indeependent]

That's your point Billo? its like this-----in war---the vanquished are supposed to
surrender and accept terms. In fact----gaza remains in a state of war with
Israel-------therefore the OCCUPATION is actually very legal. If Japan had not
surrendered in 1945----the US would still be occupying Japan. What Gaza and the
arab league really want -----is for Israel to give up that which it WON
in 1967 so that the PRE 1967 situation can be restored and ----the arabs
can stage a DO OVER of that war. It would be like Hitler demanding that
D - day be unraveled----the Russians and US etc get out of Germany----and he
simply have another GO at it

This is not a war. A war is fought between two armies of comparable strength. That's not what we have here.

What we have, is the brutal aggression of the most militarized country on the planet, against an occupied population that is not permitted to have weapons to defend itself, nor are they allowed to leave of their own free will.

Why are Gazans not allowed to leave?


Why are Gazans not allowed to leave?


Why are Gazans not allowed to leave?

Because not ONE other nation in the region WANTS them!

 

[Billo_Really]

Gee, why did 5 Arab nations attack in 1948?

Here's a clue...

They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination ...'
- Ahad Ha'am

Who feels like making friends after that shit?

 

[Billo_Really]

Because not ONE other nation in the region WANTS them!

That's not my point and don't you "big word" talk to me that way!

Why do they have to have Israeli permission to leave?

 

[Indeependent]

Gee, why did 5 Arab nations attack in 1948?

Here's a clue...

They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination ...'
- Ahad Ha'am

Who feels like making friends after that shit?

Prior to the war?!
Nah! You're way too intelligent to be saying crap like that.
Now I KNOW your Muslim girlfriend has ginormous boobs.

 

[Indeependent]

Because not ONE other nation in the region WANTS them!

That's not my point and don't you "big word" talk to me that way!

Why do they have to have Israeli permission to leave?

I know you're not retarded.
They can't leave because there's no direction to go except into the heart of Israel.
Egypt and Jordan sure as hell doesn't want them and neither does Israel.

So why do Egypt and Jordan control the poor crybabies?

 

[Billo_Really]

Prior to the war?!
Nah! You're way too intelligent to be saying crap like that.

That was a quote from 1914. If what that Zionist was saying is true, after 20 years of being treated like that, of coarse there is going to be a war.

If someone started treating me that way, it wouldn't be long, before IT'S ON!

Now I KNOW your Muslim girlfriend has ginormous boobs.

She's Mexican-Indian and has quite a temper.

 

[Indeependent]

Prior to the war?!
Nah! You're way too intelligent to be saying crap like that.

That was a quote from 1914. If what that Zionist was saying is true, after 20 years of being treated like that, of coarse there is going to be a war.

If someone started treating me that way, it wouldn't be long, before IT'S ON!

Now I KNOW your Muslim girlfriend has ginormous boobs.

She's Mexican-Indian and has quite a temper.

So the Jews DIDN'T need the British or the Balfour Declaration?
They were tough enough on their own.
And I guess the Holocaust only made them stronger in the Middle East.
In fact, Israel should have been established way before 1948 because the Jews there were so tough.
You realize the more tactical you get, the less sense you make.

 

[Billo_Really]

I know you're not retarded.
They can't leave because there's no direction to go except into the heart of Israel.
Egypt and Jordan sure as hell doesn't want them and neither does Israel.

So why do Egypt and Jordan control the poor crybabies?

They cannot leave without first obtaining Israeli travel visas.

Palestinian residents of Gaza must obtain Israeli permission before exiting,