The roots of the rising violence in Gaza and Israel

[TemplarKormac]

Roughly translated, this is what the Palestinian Government ordered their citizens to do:

Important Notice: internal calling on citizens not to deal with the occupation Messages

Warned the Ministry of Interior and National Security citizens of the occupation numbers cloned mobiles to Palestinians and send messages through them to other citizens and asking them to evacuate their homes.

The ministry said that the aim of these actions create confusion among the citizens in the framework of psychological warfare waged in conjunction with aggression.

The Interior Ministry called on all citizens to deal with the lack of voice messages by the occupation army broadcast heavily on mobile phones and terrestrial, stressing that the aim of terrorizing citizens and spreading fear.


The Interior Ministry said - in a statement - Tens of thousands of citizens in all areas of the Gaza Strip received voice messages from random occupation before asking them to evacuate their homes immediately, stressing not to deal with it.

She stressed that this voice messages to terrorize citizens and spreading fear and weaken the internal front in light of the failure of the enemy.


He appealed to citizens not to Aldalkhalah dealing with these messages or to leave their homes and act calmly, noting that in case of the need for toll-free numbers to contact the Ministry of Interior as follows:

Central Operations 109

Interior Ministry 1800131313

"Stay in your homes,"they said. "Ignore Israeli requests to evacuate."

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Targeting civilian homes is a war crime.

That's bullshit and you know it. Terrorists using civilian homes as bases of operation, inviting Israeli airstrikes... is a war crime. Tell me, why do you think Israel is the villain here? They aren't the ones using human shields!

 

[TemplarKormac]

1.Israel leading intelligence.
2.Army experts.
3.Zero deny by the world including Hamas.
4.History and common weapon caches were found in the West Bank and Gaza.
5.1000 rockets booming over my head in the past week that hidden probably somewhere if not inside their asses.

Each airstrike in Gaza cost around the 600,000-1,000,000$ would you send planes just to bomb a house of civilians or a disabled center? Get real man.

Well, according to Amnesty International...

Israeli air strikes have targeted civilian homes in Gaza on the basis that they are the family homes of “Hamas operatives”, according to statements by the Israeli military, destroying the homes after warning the families to leave. However, in several such cases no evidence has emerged to indicate that the alleged “Hamas operatives” were inside the homes at the time of the attack, that the homes were being used to store munitions, or otherwise were being used for military purposes.

Back to you, Danny boy!

Given that Daniyel lives in Palestine, he has front row seats to all the mayhem. Besides, as I told you earlier, Hamas isn't above using civilian homes as bases of operation. They know each time Israel hits them, they kill civilians too. It's a clever PR tactic, but whats even worse is holding innocent civilians hostage and carrying them with you to die.

 

[Billo_Really]

Given that Daniyel lives in Palestine, he has front row seats to all the mayhem. Besides, as I told you earlier, Hamas isn't above using civilian homes as bases of operation. They know each time Israel hits them, they kill civilians too. It's a clever PR tactic, but whats even worse is holding innocent civilians hostage and carrying them with you to die.

That's all conjecture and no evidence has been provided any homes had weapons in them.

In addition, just because it's a Hamas home, doesn't automatically make it a legal target.

 

[Billo_Really]

That's bullshit and you know it.

No, it's not bullshit. It's a war crime to target civilian infrastructure.

Terrorists using civilian homes as bases of operation, inviting Israeli airstrikes... is a war crime.

Just because you call them terrorists, doesn't mean they are terrorists. And besides, international law does not include the word "terrorist" in the legal definition of an attack. There are only two distinctions according to international law, that determine whether an attack is legal or illegal. And they are:

• civilian
• combatant

If you are a civilian, the attack is illegal. If you are a combatant and the target is of "military necessity", then the attack is legal.

Tell me, why do you think Israel is the villain here? They aren't the ones using human shields!

Then what do you call this?

 

[Billo_Really]

People like Billo are exactly the reason terrorists like Hamas and the PA try to get as many children killed as possible; they make great propaganda pics and fund raising tools, and provide Billo with some delusional 'talking point' that he's babbling from some nonexistent moral authority he thinks he has with his nonsense. People like Billo love getting those kids killed, and the likes of Hamas and the PA go to considerable effort to make sure the Billos of the world aren't disappointed.

I also like long walks on the beach, a good book and single malt scotch.

 

[Hollie]

Given that Daniyel lives in Palestine, he has front row seats to all the mayhem. Besides, as I told you earlier, Hamas isn't above using civilian homes as bases of operation. They know each time Israel hits them, they kill civilians too. It's a clever PR tactic, but whats even worse is holding innocent civilians hostage and carrying them with you to die.

That's all conjecture and no evidence has been provided any homes had weapons in them.

In addition, just because it's a Hamas home, doesn't automatically make it a legal target.

There is an inherent right to self defense. When Islamic terrorists are lobbing rockets at Israeli population centers, an act of war has been committed.

You folks waving your Pom Poms for Islamic terrorists will have to learn to deal with the reality that committing an act of war has consequences.

 

[Billo_Really]

Sorry, Adolph, but this particular comment of yours is particularly stupid, even by your standards of The Stupid.

You must be ovulating?

Unfortunately for you, your nonsense claims are easily refuted. False claims by sleazy haters spiral and crash into the ground when you are asked to combat the irrefutable argument that Israel has demonstrated restraint.

How can you possibly claim restraint, when you've maintained a belligerent occupation of land that isn't yours against the will of an entire population of people that are not allowed to be free for the last 47 years?

How can you possibly claim restraint, when you make up bullshit lies just to attack them?

How can you claim restraint, when you shoot at people fishing and farming?

You're off your rocker there.

You have no counter to the fact that Israel has spent billions upon billions of dollars to employ LESS cost effective weapons for the sole purpose of reducing civilian casualties. You say nothing of the recognized capability Israeli strategic forces to reduce the entirety of the Islamic terrorist enclave of Gaza to a burning pile of ash within hours with almost no reduction of its national power, and the restraint from using such power demonstrated by their leaders.

Of coarse I have a counter! The fact that Israel uses those weapons in un-provoked aggression against a helpless population.

You cannot reconcile the fact that Israel has repeated shown a willingness to concede land for a cessation of hostilities

You can't give what you don't have and Israel has conceded nothing.

The Palestinian's agreed to all of Israel's demands at the last peace conference and Israel still said no.

You cannot reconcile the fact that you argue Israel wishes to murder and kill and intimidate “Palestinian” arabs with the truth that you cannot conjure up a reason for such action, much less an explanation for precision munitions development, no use of particularly effective cluster, mine and incendiary munitions, and extremely tight Rules of Engagement for Israeli forces in battle zones.

Go read the statements of Ben Gurion and Theodor Hertzl for the reasons you say I cannot conjure.

And when someone brings up these irreconcilable faults in your arguments, you point to a link about something entirely unrelated, try to make a statement accusing Israelis broadly of being “Zionist Occupiers or simply slither away and let the thread sink.

I never point to unrelated links and I certainly don't slither away.

Here’s your chance to reconcile these issues now, Or, slither away.

I just told you I don't slither away.

Be nice, you dishrag whore!

Answer now, how you can say that Israelis WISH to have civilian casualties when they have spent many times the GDP of the Gaza Islamic terrorist enclave on weapons that limit such casualties.

Because you keep making up reasons to kill them.

Answer now, how can you say that Israelis wish for war when it is a proven fact that Israel has conceded land for attempts at peace.

You're repeating yourself. I already answered this the first time you asked (in this thread).

Or, if you feel too threatened, just make a statement about the Jews controlling the media or and go back to your cliff's notes to the Communist /islamist Manifesto.

I knew it was only a matter of time before you played your J-card.

 

[Billo_Really]

There is an inherent right to self defense. When Islamic terrorists are lobbing rockets at Israeli population centers, an act of war has been committed.

You folks waving your Pom Poms for Islamic terrorists will have to learn to deal with the reality that committing an act of war has consequences.

Those rockets were in response to Israeli missile attacks in Gaza and the unwarranted arrest of over 500 innocent Palestinian's in the West Bank that have committed no crimes.

Israel provoked those rockets.

 

[toastman]

That's bullshit and you know it.

No, it's not bullshit. It's a war crime to target civilian infrastructure.

Terrorists using civilian homes as bases of operation, inviting Israeli airstrikes... is a war crime.

Just because you call them terrorists, doesn't mean they are terrorists. And besides, international law does not include the word "terrorist" in the legal definition of an attack. There are only two distinctions according to international law, that determine whether an attack is legal or illegal. And they are:

• civilian
• combatant

If you are a civilian, the attack is illegal. If you are a combatant and the target is of "military necessity", then the attack is legal.

Tell me, why do you think Israel is the villain here? They aren't the ones using human shields!

Then what do you call this?

It is not Israels job to provide evidence of weapons being in the homes they attack. And even if they did, you would say the evidence is Zionist propaganda.
If a home has weapons used to attack Israelis, it automatically becomes a legit target. Don't like it? Don't put weapons in there.

 

[Hollie]

Sorry, Adolph, but this particular comment of yours is particularly stupid, even by your standards of The Stupid.

You must be ovulating?

Tactless and pointless. Pretty typical for you.

Unfortunately for you, your nonsense claims are easily refuted. False claims by sleazy haters spiral and crash into the ground when you are asked to combat the irrefutable argument that Israel has demonstrated restraint.

How can you possibly claim restraint, when you've maintained a belligerent occupation of land that isn't yours against the will of an entire population of people that are not allowed to be free for the last 47 years?


How can you possibly claim restraint, when you make up bullshit lies just to attack them?

How can you claim restraint, when you shoot at people fishing and farming?

How can you possibly be so clueless? Since when does fishing and farming involve hurling rockets at Israeli population centers?

If the killing of Islamic terrorist agents prevents and even slows the advanced weaponization of Gaza, then so be it. The Hamas Charter has consequences. When Islamic terrorists believe they can kill or threaten Israelis with impunity, it's time for Israel to act.

You're off your rocker there.
Of coarse I have a counter! The fact that Israel uses those weapons in un-provoked aggression against a helpless population.
You can't give what you don't have and Israel has conceded nothing.

The Palestinian's agreed to all of Israel's demands at the last peace conference and Israel still said no.
Go read the statements of Ben Gurion and Theodor Hertzl for the reasons you say I cannot conjure.

You have no counter other than the usual drivel you cut and paste.

Israel's capture in 1967 of Sinai, the West Bank, Gaza, and the Golan Heights was in response to Arab aggression. Israel's voluntary return of all Sinai to Egypt followed formal recognition and peace treaty with Egypt.

The lesson is the willingness of Israel to return land for peace with her neighbors.
This underlies all treaties and actions (even the unilateral withdrawals from south Lebanon and from Gaza) that followed from 1982 to the present day.
A similar peace with Syria will lead to the return of most if not all of the Golan.

The Islamic terrorists who have infested Gaza following Israeli's unilateral withdrawal is another matter. It is now an Islamic terrorist rat's nest.

I never point to unrelated links and I certainly don't slither away.
I just told you I don't slither away.

You just slithered away.

Be nice, you dishrag whore!

You're so befuddled, you're reduced to juvenile attempts at insult. What a shame your arguments are flaccid.

Because you keep making up reasons to kill them.

The Islamic terrorists in Gaza committed an act of war.

How is it that you're so clueless to that fact?

Answer now, how can you say that Israelis wish for war when it is a proven fact that Israel has conceded land for attempts at peace.

You're repeating yourself. I already answered this the first time you asked (in this thread).

Or, if you feel too threatened, just make a statement about the Jews controlling the media or and go back to your cliff's notes to the Communist /islamist Manifesto.

I knew it was only a matter of time before you played your J-card.

I knew you would slither away when confronted with facts you are clueless to respond to.

Israel's government has agreed in principle to the creation of a sovereign Palestinian state, but with the proviso that any such state must 1) recognize Israel and concede its right to exist; and 2) maintain control over its people sufficient to prevent further violence against Israelis and their lands. Again, anyone with three functioning brain cells (to exclude you, of course), can see that the moment for the fulfillment of this promise has not yet arrived. Not only are Rockets still flying out of the Islamic terrorist enclave but HAMAS terrorist spokesbeards have recently repeated their refusal to recognize Israel, now or ever. So a Palestinian state accorded full sovereignty would automatically be at war with Israel from the moment of its birth.

If you needed additional evidence that HAMAS and the "affiliated militants" are as stupid as they are vicious, here it is: the intentional placing of their rockets in civilian areas. The rockets with which the "Palestinian" Arab terrorists have peppered Israel have had relatively little effect, as one would expect from lightweight homemade projectiles of their sort. Their suicide bombers have slaughtered many innocents, and are justly regarded as unspeakably vile, but they have a public-relations affect: the perpetrator dies in the attack, which leaves his connection to any larger organization or movement a seemingly arguable matter until one or more of the islamist Death Cults take credit for it.

Flail your pom poms for the next round of rockets hurled at Israel by your Islamic terrorist heroes. That will be followed by my hope for an Israeli response that will bring down every bit of Islamic terrorist infrastructure and reduce Islamic terrorists to charred spots on the ground.

 

[sealybobo]

Given that Daniyel lives in Palestine, he has front row seats to all the mayhem. Besides, as I told you earlier, Hamas isn't above using civilian homes as bases of operation. They know each time Israel hits them, they kill civilians too. It's a clever PR tactic, but whats even worse is holding innocent civilians hostage and carrying them with you to die.

That's all conjecture and no evidence has been provided any homes had weapons in them.

In addition, just because it's a Hamas home, doesn't automatically make it a legal target.

There is an inherent right to self defense. When Islamic terrorists are lobbing rockets at Israeli population centers, an act of war has been committed.

You folks waving your Pom Poms for Islamic terrorists will have to learn to deal with the reality that committing an act of war has consequences.

You act like there isn't conflict going on constantly over there. You act as if you have never seen a Palastinian documentary where they secretly filmed jewish soldiers being dicks towards the Palistinian people. We've seen it with our own eyes.

But we also know the arabs aren't perfect either, BUT, we also see you creating new territories in their neighborhoods. Whatever you call it, you are encroaching on their lands. Give them a country and separate from them is the only solution. You two clearly can't get along.

And I believe there are actually a lot of jews in Isreal who agree with me/us. They say give them their own lands.

And then when I think the jews are all like Lieberman lying us/keeping us in Iraq because those kinds of jews love ******* up terrorists and probably truly believe that if Iran gets a nuke they will use it on Israel. I don't think they would. And if you want to stop them from having one, you're going to have to go to war with them. Leave us out of it please.

 

[sealybobo]

And when I saw most Jews voted for Obama, I realized not all jewish people are like my friends, lieberman and all the republicans who defended invading Iraq and insist we need to invade Iran next. The GOP/Israel really don't want Iran to have a nuke. I don't care if they have one. They aren't as crazy as they say. They don't want to die either. Not the leaders and not the masses. A small few probably would want to nuke Israel knowing Israel would nuke em right back.

 

[Ropey]

Sorry, Adolph, but this particular comment of yours is particularly stupid, even by your standards of The Stupid.

You must be ovulating?

Tactless and pointless. Pretty typical for you.

How can you possibly be so clueless? Since when does fishing and farming involve hurling rockets at Israeli population centers?

If the killing of Islamic terrorist agents prevents and even slows the advanced weaponization of Gaza, then so be it. The Hamas Charter has consequences. When Islamic terrorists believe they can kill or threaten Israelis with impunity, it's time for Israel to act.

You have no counter other than the usual drivel you cut and paste.

Israel's capture in 1967 of Sinai, the West Bank, Gaza, and the Golan Heights was in response to Arab aggression. Israel's voluntary return of all Sinai to Egypt followed formal recognition and peace treaty with Egypt.

The lesson is the willingness of Israel to return land for peace with her neighbors.
This underlies all treaties and actions (even the unilateral withdrawals from south Lebanon and from Gaza) that followed from 1982 to the present day.
A similar peace with Syria will lead to the return of most if not all of the Golan.

The Islamic terrorists who have infested Gaza following Israeli's unilateral withdrawal is another matter. It is now an Islamic terrorist rat's nest.

You just slithered away.

You're so befuddled, you're reduced to juvenile attempts at insult. What a shame your arguments are flaccid.

The Islamic terrorists in Gaza committed an act of war.

How is it that you're so clueless to that fact?

You're repeating yourself. I already answered this the first time you asked (in this thread).

Or, if you feel too threatened, just make a statement about the Jews controlling the media or and go back to your cliff's notes to the Communist /islamist Manifesto.

I knew it was only a matter of time before you played your J-card.

I knew you would slither away when confronted with facts you are clueless to respond to.

Israel's government has agreed in principle to the creation of a sovereign Palestinian state, but with the proviso that any such state must 1) recognize Israel and concede its right to exist; and 2) maintain control over its people sufficient to prevent further violence against Israelis and their lands. Again, anyone with three functioning brain cells (to exclude you, of course), can see that the moment for the fulfillment of this promise has not yet arrived. Not only are Rockets still flying out of the Islamic terrorist enclave but HAMAS terrorist spokesbeards have recently repeated their refusal to recognize Israel, now or ever. So a Palestinian state accorded full sovereignty would automatically be at war with Israel from the moment of its birth.

If you needed additional evidence that HAMAS and the "affiliated militants" are as stupid as they are vicious, here it is: the intentional placing of their rockets in civilian areas. The rockets with which the "Palestinian" Arab terrorists have peppered Israel have had relatively little effect, as one would expect from lightweight homemade projectiles of their sort. Their suicide bombers have slaughtered many innocents, and are justly regarded as unspeakably vile, but they have a public-relations affect: the perpetrator dies in the attack, which leaves his connection to any larger organization or movement a seemingly arguable matter until one or more of the islamist Death Cults take credit for it.

Flail your pom poms for the next round of rockets hurled at Israel by your Islamic terrorist heroes. That will be followed by my hope for an Israeli response that will bring down every bit of Islamic terrorist infrastructure and reduce Islamic terrorists to charred spots on the ground.

Well put.

 

[Billo_Really]

There is an inherent right to self defense. When Islamic terrorists are lobbing rockets at Israeli population centers, an act of war has been committed.

You folks waving your Pom Poms for Islamic terrorists will have to learn to deal with the reality that committing an act of war has consequences.

That's not self defense, that's aggression.

And the rockets were in response to Israeli military strikes and this bullshit 47 year old occupation you're forcing the Pals to live under.

They deserve their freedom. It's about time, you and your big mouth give it to them.

 

[Billo_Really]

If the occupation wasn't the problem,
then why can't Zionists and their kiss-ass minions,
bring themselves to talk about it?

They avoid it like the plague!

And we both know why?​

 

[Indeependent]

If the occupation wasn't the problem,
then why can't Zionists and their kiss-ass minions,
bring themselves to talk about it?

They avoid it like the plague!

And we both know why?​

If the occupation IS the problem why are Muslims murdering each other, not to mention murdering Christians, all over their slimy nations?

 

[irosie91]

There is an inherent right to self defense. When Islamic terrorists are lobbing rockets at Israeli population centers, an act of war has been committed.

You folks waving your Pom Poms for Islamic terrorists will have to learn to deal with the reality that committing an act of war has consequences.

That's not self defense, that's aggression.

And the rockets were in response to Israeli military strikes and this bullshit 47 year old occupation you're forcing the Pals to live under.

They deserve their freedom. It's about time, you and your big mouth give it to them.

I have a suggestion-----how about if Gaza is set completely free-----
and with the first terrorist action emerging therefrom----the
whole place gets bombed out of existence? In order to be legal---
I think that in response to the charter of the hamas pigs regarding
its intention of destroying Israel----which is tantamount to a declaration
of war ---Israel should declare war against 'gaza'.

 

[Indeependent]

There is an inherent right to self defense. When Islamic terrorists are lobbing rockets at Israeli population centers, an act of war has been committed.

You folks waving your Pom Poms for Islamic terrorists will have to learn to deal with the reality that committing an act of war has consequences.

That's not self defense, that's aggression.

And the rockets were in response to Israeli military strikes and this bullshit 47 year old occupation you're forcing the Pals to live under.

They deserve their freedom. It's about time, you and your big mouth give it to them.

I have a suggestion-----how about if Gaza is set completely free-----
and with the first terrorist action emerging therefrom----the
whole place gets bombed out of existence? In order to be legal---
I think that in response to the charter of the hamas pigs regarding
its intention of destroying Israel----which is tantamount to a declaration
of war ---Israel should declare war against 'gaza'.

Gene Simmons fan?
I am.

 

[Billo_Really]

Tactless and pointless. Pretty typical for you.

How can you possibly be so clueless? Since when does fishing and farming involve hurling rockets at Israeli population centers?

If the killing of Islamic terrorist agents prevents and even slows the advanced weaponization of Gaza, then so be it. The Hamas Charter has consequences. When Islamic terrorists believe they can kill or threaten Israelis with impunity, it's time for Israel to act.

You have no counter other than the usual drivel you cut and paste.

Israel's capture in 1967 of Sinai, the West Bank, Gaza, and the Golan Heights was in response to Arab aggression. Israel's voluntary return of all Sinai to Egypt followed formal recognition and peace treaty with Egypt.

The lesson is the willingness of Israel to return land for peace with her neighbors.
This underlies all treaties and actions (even the unilateral withdrawals from south Lebanon and from Gaza) that followed from 1982 to the present day.
A similar peace with Syria will lead to the return of most if not all of the Golan.

The Islamic terrorists who have infested Gaza following Israeli's unilateral withdrawal is another matter. It is now an Islamic terrorist rat's nest.



You just slithered away.



You're so befuddled, you're reduced to juvenile attempts at insult. What a shame your arguments are flaccid.



The Islamic terrorists in Gaza committed an act of war.

How is it that you're so clueless to that fact?


You're repeating yourself. I already answered this the first time you asked (in this thread).

Or, if you feel too threatened, just make a statement about the Jews controlling the media or and go back to your cliff's notes to the Communist /islamist Manifesto.

I knew it was only a matter of time before you played your J-card.

I knew you would slither away when confronted with facts you are clueless to respond to.

Israel's government has agreed in principle to the creation of a sovereign Palestinian state, but with the proviso that any such state must 1) recognize Israel and concede its right to exist; and 2) maintain control over its people sufficient to prevent further violence against Israelis and their lands. Again, anyone with three functioning brain cells (to exclude you, of course), can see that the moment for the fulfillment of this promise has not yet arrived. Not only are Rockets still flying out of the Islamic terrorist enclave but HAMAS terrorist spokesbeards have recently repeated their refusal to recognize Israel, now or ever. So a Palestinian state accorded full sovereignty would automatically be at war with Israel from the moment of its birth.

If you needed additional evidence that HAMAS and the "affiliated militants" are as stupid as they are vicious, here it is: the intentional placing of their rockets in civilian areas. The rockets with which the "Palestinian" Arab terrorists have peppered Israel have had relatively little effect, as one would expect from lightweight homemade projectiles of their sort. Their suicide bombers have slaughtered many innocents, and are justly regarded as unspeakably vile, but they have a public-relations affect: the perpetrator dies in the attack, which leaves his connection to any larger organization or movement a seemingly arguable matter until one or more of the islamist Death Cults take credit for it.

Flail your pom poms for the next round of rockets hurled at Israel by your Islamic terrorist heroes. That will be followed by my hope for an Israeli response that will bring down every bit of Islamic terrorist infrastructure and reduce Islamic terrorists to charred spots on the ground.

I find it interesting that I specifically addressed each one of your lunatic points, but you however, cannot address a single point of mine.

You're one of the most disingenuous posters at this website.

The cause of all the violence is the occupation.

 

[Billo_Really]

If the occupation IS the problem why are Muslims murdering each other, not to mention murdering Christians, all over their slimy nations?

That has nothing to do with this discussion.