The roots of the rising violence in Gaza and Israel

[Indeependent]

Prior to the war?!
Nah! You're way too intelligent to be saying crap like that.

That was a quote from 1914. If what that Zionist was saying is true, after 20 years of being treated like that, of coarse there is going to be a war.

If someone started treating me that way, it wouldn't be long, before IT'S ON!

Now I KNOW your Muslim girlfriend has ginormous boobs.

She's Mexican-Indian and has quite a temper.

My wife is a Polish Jew and SHE'S got quite a temper.

 

[Billo_Really]

So the Jews DIDN'T need the British or the Balfour Declaration?
They were tough enough on their own.
And I guess the Holocaust only made them stronger in the Middle East.
In fact, Israel should have been established way before 1948 because the Jews there were so tough.
You realize the more tactical you get, the less sense you make.

Palestinian-Jews are cool. They lived hundreds of years with their Palestinian-Arab neighbors without any major incidents of violence.

But that all changed when the Z's showed up.

 

[Billo_Really]

My wife is a Polish Jew and SHE'S got quite a temper.

A happy life, is a happy wife.

 

[Indeependent]

So the Jews DIDN'T need the British or the Balfour Declaration?
They were tough enough on their own.
And I guess the Holocaust only made them stronger in the Middle East.
In fact, Israel should have been established way before 1948 because the Jews there were so tough.
You realize the more tactical you get, the less sense you make.

Palestinian-Jews are cool. They lived hundreds of years with their Palestinian-Arab neighbors without any major incidents of violence.

But that all changed when the Z's showed up.

Tell that to the Christians living in Lebanon.
Muslims go ape when they don't have total control.

 

[irosie91]

So the Jews DIDN'T need the British or the Balfour Declaration?
They were tough enough on their own.
And I guess the Holocaust only made them stronger in the Middle East.
In fact, Israel should have been established way before 1948 because the Jews there were so tough.
You realize the more tactical you get, the less sense you make.

Palestinian-Jews are cool. They lived hundreds of years with their Palestinian-Arab neighbors without any major incidents of violence.

But that all changed when the Z's showed up.

Tell that to the Christians living in Lebanon.
Muslims go ape when they don't have total control.

yes Independent-----Islamic societies are very peaceful because non-muslims
are subjugated. ----completely subjugated and exploited. This situation
proves THE BEAUTY OF ISLAM when working properly----as planned---
there is ~~~~~~~~~~PEACE~~~~~~~~~~~~
that which impinges pn the PEACE ---like free expression or
opened practice of "not islam" is a capital crime---another
~~~~~~~~PEACE ~~~ bringing method

Sparta had a similar method of attaining peace "helots" (the non Spartan
and enslaved class) could be killed for any infraction or even none
at all.

PAX romana depended on the crucifixtions of tens of thousands---and hungry
lions--------both constituting entertainment for the roman peaceniks

be optimistic-----peace will come to Iraq now that it is a CALIPHATE---one of the
sides in the dispute will be----very simply ---declared "NOT MUSLIM"

I am so glad that the problem is resolved (peace will be restored in Lebanon
when it gets grafted onto THE CALIPHATE

 

[RoccoR]

Billo_Really, et al,

The quote is true - that is - it comes from what Asher Zvi Hirsch Ginsberg (AKA: Ahad Ha'am, Russian Writer) said in 1891.

Gee, why did 5 Arab nations attack in 1948?

Here's a clue...

They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination ...'
- Ahad Ha'am

Who feels like making friends after that shit?

(COMMENT)

This had nothing to do with Jewish immigrants going to Palestine. This was a statement made in the 1891 published essay called "A Truth from Eretz Yisrael." Written 23 years before WWI erupted (1914), a quarter century before the Sykes-Picot Agreement (1916), 26 years before the Balfour Declaration (1917), 28 years before the Faisal-Weizmann Agreement (1919), 29 years before the San Remo Convention (1920), three decades before the Mandate of Palestine was created (1922) and the implementation (of Articles 4 and 6) to encourage and facilitate Jewish immigration for Jews willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

Ahad Ha'am was talking about the relationship between the indigenous Jews and the indigenous Arabs; not immigrants under the Mandate.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[aris2chat]

It has nothing to do with your revisionist history.
Really...nothing.
Muslim history MUST be right...
After all, they have the world's lowest literacy rates.

I'm not talking about Muslim history and I'm not revising anything.

Occupations are supposed to be temporary. This ones been going on for 47 years.

Palestinian's have a right to their freedom.

Why can't Gazans leave Gaza,
without getting permission from Israel?​

hamas has closed the border crossings from their side.

 

[Billo_Really]

hamas has closed the border crossings from their side.

How could they possibly close a border, when Israel try's to assassinate them every time they show their face in public?

Gazans are not allowed to leave by sea or air.

Here's one example...

Several young Gaza authors were published recently in a collection of short stories called “Gaza Writes Back.”

One author, who was not permitted by Israel to travel to the U.S. to participate in a speaking tour co-organized by AFSC, asked how their stories were received by people living in the United States.

Why the hell does she need Israeli permission to travel to the US?

You people are absolutely unbelievable!

 

[Billo_Really]

Billo_Really, et al,

The quote is true - that is - it comes from what Asher Zvi Hirsch Ginsberg (AKA: Ahad Ha'am, Russian Writer) said in 1891.

Gee, why did 5 Arab nations attack in 1948?

Here's a clue...

They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination ...'
- Ahad Ha'am

Who feels like making friends after that shit?

(COMMENT)

This had nothing to do with Jewish immigrants going to Palestine. This was a statement made in the 1891 published essay called "A Truth from Eretz Yisrael." Written 23 years before WWI erupted (1914), a quarter century before the Sykes-Picot Agreement (1916), 26 years before the Balfour Declaration (1917), 28 years before the Faisal-Weizmann Agreement (1919), 29 years before the San Remo Convention (1920), three decades before the Mandate of Palestine was created (1922) and the implementation (of Articles 4 and 6) to encourage and facilitate Jewish immigration for Jews willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

Ahad Ha'am was talking about the relationship between the indigenous Jews and the indigenous Arabs; not immigrants under the Mandate.

Most Respectfully,
R

If what you're claiming was true, there would be more incidents of violence before the Zionist migration and there isn't. All the major incidents of violence occurred AFTER the Zionist migration.

Furthermore, I only posted the 2nd half of Ahad Ha'am's quote, here's the full quote...

the settlers must under no circumstances arouse the wrath of the natives ... 'Yet what do our brethren do in Palestine? Just the very opposite! Serfs they were in the lands of the Diaspora and suddenly they find themselves in unrestricted freedom and this change has awakened in them an inclination to despotism. They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination."

He wouldn't be calling indigenous, Palestinian-Jews, "settlers". That would be the migrating Zionists.

Hey, that's a good name for a Jewish rap group...........The Migrating Zionists!

 

[TemplarKormac]

Billy. Ahad Ha'am was most likely referring to the Jewish land purchases from the Arabs. These land purchases would go on from the 1840's right up until the year Israel declared it's independence. Gee, imagine that. Even then Palestine was shooting itself in the foot. He would accurately predict how the "natives would not stand aside so easily" as Jews settled there, that happened when the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem incited the great Arab Revolt of 1936, which resulted in the deaths of 300 non Zionist Jews. And as a result of that, such a revolt led the British Mandate to lend its support to the Haganah, it forced Husseini to flee during the 1948 Palestine War.

Ha'am was the founder of Cultural Zionism, whose views were in conflict with those who touted practical "political" Zionism. He and Theodore Herzl were often at odds. His views mainly hinged on "A Jewish state, not a state of Jews."

In reality, Ha'am contradicts your argument. He isn't what you thought he was.

 

[Daniyel]

Billo_Really, et al,

The quote is true - that is - it comes from what Asher Zvi Hirsch Ginsberg (AKA: Ahad Ha'am, Russian Writer) said in 1891.

Here's a clue...
Who feels like making friends after that shit?

(COMMENT)

This had nothing to do with Jewish immigrants going to Palestine. This was a statement made in the 1891 published essay called "A Truth from Eretz Yisrael." Written 23 years before WWI erupted (1914), a quarter century before the Sykes-Picot Agreement (1916), 26 years before the Balfour Declaration (1917), 28 years before the Faisal-Weizmann Agreement (1919), 29 years before the San Remo Convention (1920), three decades before the Mandate of Palestine was created (1922) and the implementation (of Articles 4 and 6) to encourage and facilitate Jewish immigration for Jews willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

Ahad Ha'am was talking about the relationship between the indigenous Jews and the indigenous Arabs; not immigrants under the Mandate.

Most Respectfully,
R

If what you're claiming was true, there would be more incidents of violence before the Zionist migration and there isn't. All the major incidents of violence occurred AFTER the Zionist migration.

Furthermore, I only posted the 2nd half of Ahad Ha'am's quote, here's the full quote...

the settlers must under no circumstances arouse the wrath of the natives ... 'Yet what do our brethren do in Palestine? Just the very opposite! Serfs they were in the lands of the Diaspora and suddenly they find themselves in unrestricted freedom and this change has awakened in them an inclination to despotism. They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination."

He wouldn't be calling indigenous, Palestinian-Jews, "settlers". That would be the migrating Zionists.

Hey, that's a good name for a Jewish rap group...........The Migrating Zionists!

I Think you are wrong Billo, but again you always show a picture or a come with a singular statement which far from being the majority of the Israelis.
The fact is very simple, Israel accepted 20% size of state and the Palestinians did not.
I Don't see where you go with this but this is what happened and you can't argue with the past and history, all land transfers with the Palestinians were a big failure except for Egypt and Jordan, and if Israel would give any more land now we will be under a massive threat and that is not an option as it was in the past so I won't take such risk of living under mercy of those who swore to kill me.
Here is the Israel point of view about it.

 

[Lipush]

Daniyel, that video is so spot on! not to mention, a serious crack up

 

[Taz]

So the Jews DIDN'T need the British or the Balfour Declaration?
They were tough enough on their own.
And I guess the Holocaust only made them stronger in the Middle East.
In fact, Israel should have been established way before 1948 because the Jews there were so tough.
You realize the more tactical you get, the less sense you make.

Palestinian-Jews are cool. They lived hundreds of years with their Palestinian-Arab neighbors without any major incidents of violence.

But that all changed when the Z's showed up.

Time again to put your knees pads on and go kiss a carpet. Do you have a picture of Osama bin Laden on your wall pointing in the direction of Mecca? I hear that's all the rage amongst camel jockeys.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Billo doesn't even realize he's a tool being used by Muslim extremists.

 

[Slyhunter]

hamas has closed the border crossings from their side.

How could they possibly close a border, when Israel try's to assassinate them every time they show their face in public?

Gazans are not allowed to leave by sea or air.

Here's one example...

Several young Gaza authors were published recently in a collection of short stories called “Gaza Writes Back.”

One author, who was not permitted by Israel to travel to the U.S. to participate in a speaking tour co-organized by AFSC, asked how their stories were received by people living in the United States.

Why the hell does she need Israeli permission to travel to the US?

You people are absolutely unbelievable!

You expect Israel to allow their enemies to freely use their airport? Your nuts.

 

[Billo_Really]

You expect Israel to allow their enemies to freely use their airport? Your nuts.

So Israel now has a War on Authors?

Who knew?

 

[Billo_Really]

Billy. Ahad Ha'am was most likely referring to the Jewish land purchases from the Arabs. These land purchases would go on from the 1840's right up until the year Israel declared it's independence. Gee, imagine that. Even then Palestine was shooting itself in the foot. He would accurately predict how the "natives would not stand aside so easily" as Jews settled there, that happened when the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem incited the great Arab Revolt of 1936, which resulted in the deaths of 300 non Zionist Jews. And as a result of that, such a revolt led the British Mandate to lend its support to the Haganah, it forced Husseini to flee during the 1948 Palestine War.

Ha'am was the founder of Cultural Zionism, whose views were in conflict with those who touted practical "political" Zionism. He and Theodore Herzl were often at odds. His views mainly hinged on "A Jewish state, not a state of Jews."

In reality, Ha'am contradicts your argument. He isn't what you thought he was.

That's what you're trying to spin it into.

Ahad Ha'am was not a realtor, he was a "humanist".

And he wasn't talking about land purchases, he was talking about the inalienable rights of the indigenous, non-Jewish population of Palestine, being systematically stripped away by a bunch of Zionist assholes.

 

[Billo_Really]

I Think you are wrong Billo, but again you always show a picture or a come with a singular statement which far from being the majority of the Israelis.
The fact is very simple, Israel accepted 20% size of state and the Palestinians did not.
I Don't see where you go with this but this is what happened and you can't argue with the past and history, all land transfers with the Palestinians were a big failure except for Egypt and Jordan, and if Israel would give any more land now we will be under a massive threat and that is not an option as it was in the past so I won't take such risk of living under mercy of those who swore to kill me.
Here is the Israel point of view about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIEeiDjdUuU

You can't give what you don't have. And the West Bank, Gaza, Golan Heights and East Jerusalem, are not Israeli property. They've never been Israeli property. They will never be Israeli property.

If the world allowed Israel to annex that land, it would be like saying it was okay for Hitler to annex Poland.

BTW, when Zionists unilaterally stood up and declared independence against the requests of UN officials in 1948, they were 10% of the population and took 70% of the land.

Palestinian's have a right to their freedom and you have no right whatsoever to keep it from them.

 

[Daniyel]

Billy. Ahad Ha'am was most likely referring to the Jewish land purchases from the Arabs. These land purchases would go on from the 1840's right up until the year Israel declared it's independence. Gee, imagine that. Even then Palestine was shooting itself in the foot. He would accurately predict how the "natives would not stand aside so easily" as Jews settled there, that happened when the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem incited the great Arab Revolt of 1936, which resulted in the deaths of 300 non Zionist Jews. And as a result of that, such a revolt led the British Mandate to lend its support to the Haganah, it forced Husseini to flee during the 1948 Palestine War.

Ha'am was the founder of Cultural Zionism, whose views were in conflict with those who touted practical "political" Zionism. He and Theodore Herzl were often at odds. His views mainly hinged on "A Jewish state, not a state of Jews."

In reality, Ha'am contradicts your argument. He isn't what you thought he was.

That's what you're trying to spin it into.

Ahad Ha'am was not a realtor, he was a "humanist".

And he wasn't talking about land purchases, he was talking about the inalienable rights of the indigenous, non-Jewish population of Palestine, being systematically stripped away by a bunch of Zionist assholes.

Thank you for calling me an asshole, Zionists are definitely assholes, that's why we never would agree to the Palestinian freedom fighters and resistance to step in Israel.
And according to you the Zionists agreed to give back all the land they controlled back to the Palestinians, the Palestinians didn't accept it, hilarious.

 

[Billo_Really]

Daniyel, that video is so spot on! not to mention, a serious crack up

That is a funny video!

BTW, I'm still waiting for my date with Gal Gadot you promised to set up.






As I told you before, you make that happen and I will gladly throw a Palestinian of your choice, under a bus, on a night of your choosing.