The Real 'Far Right'

[JakeStarkey]

I never said, implied, or suggested that, "Its your viewpoint in life that the only political position we can have is some kind of totalitrarianism." I believe in and practice liberal democracy. You, on the other hand, appear to be a libertarian, which really is nothing more than "get off my land". OK, I get it.

I know you never said, implied, or suggested that but I pointed out that anyone who thinks that the complete political spectrum composes either fascism or communism must somehow think that the governing structure of any society must compose all or some element of these two kinds of thinking.

Since your entire thinking is caged between these two endzones it is no possible for you to think outside of that field.

Stop trying to say you are a liberal when you are not because a liberal is someone who believe in freedom of the individual which allows that person to do just about anything such as be super-rich or smoke and these are things that the people who claim to be liberal today oppose. Why is that?

OK, you are a libertarian wierdo who cannot think outside his own box. Got that.

 

[ihopehefails]

I never said, implied, or suggested that, "Its your viewpoint in life that the only political position we can have is some kind of totalitrarianism." I believe in and practice liberal democracy. You, on the other hand, appear to be a libertarian, which really is nothing more than "get off my land". OK, I get it.

I know you never said, implied, or suggested that but I pointed out that anyone who thinks that the complete political spectrum composes either fascism or communism must somehow think that the governing structure of any society must compose all or some element of these two kinds of thinking.

Since your entire thinking is caged between these two endzones it is no possible for you to think outside of that field.

Stop trying to say you are a liberal when you are not because a liberal is someone who believe in freedom of the individual which allows that person to do just about anything such as be super-rich or smoke and these are things that the people who claim to be liberal today oppose. Why is that?

OK, you are a libertarian wierdo who cannot think outside his own box. Got that.

We are normal. Its the rest of the world that is weird.

Now that I think about it. I'm pretty liberal because I believe that anyone can do anything that they want. What are you if you do not think that?

 

[mudwhistle]

Abortion assassinations certainly are political. VA Tech was simply by a crazy man.

Abortion has nothing to do with politics.

The Dems just decided to make it into a wedge issue.

And anyone who kills is a bit crazy. It doesn't matter the reason.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Where have the more recent mass-murders been taking place?

VT.....ring a bell?

We have been having politically oriented mass murders by liberals taking place in Vermont? Could you be more specific?

Virginia Tech....dumbass

And it's not just politically oriented because waxing Dr.s at an abortion clinic isn't a political act.

Abortion is not a political issue? Abortion is not a left/right issue?

jeezus you're more retarded than I thought, and you weren't doing too well up until this point.

Use your fucking head.

 

[NYcarbineer]

There have been more terrorist attacks on abortion clinics and doctors in the last 20 years than there have been Islamic terror attacks in this country.

Where do you suppose those attacks came from?

Yes, that was a rhetorical question.

and how many abortion clinic personel have been killed vs Americans killed by terrorist acts?


What a dopey analogy NYC.

Abortion clinic personnel ARE Americans killed by terrorist acts, when that occurs. That is your gradeschool lesson for today. Try to learn it.

 

[Dr.House]

Abortion is not a political issue? Abortion is not a left/right issue?

When an issue transcends political lines, it ceases to become a left/right issue, you shitstain...

Just because you are pro-abortion doesn't mean all liberals are... Politics has no business being involved...

You're an idiot no matter what forum you post on... Congrats on that...

 

[JakeStarkey]

Abortion has nothing to do with politics.

It is a divisive wedge issue developed by the GOP after 973, mudwhistle, and you know it.

 

[kyzr]

Abortion clinic personnel ARE Americans killed by terrorist acts, when that occurs. That is your gradeschool lesson for today. Try to learn it.

Only two American abortion clinic personnel were killed. That hardly makes the "domestic terrorism" threshold. More of a "lone nut shoots secretaries" story.
Anti-abortion violence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JakeStarkey]

From kyzr's posted link:

Murders
In the U.S., violence directed toward abortion providers has killed at least eight people, including four doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard, and a clinic escort.[5]

March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn of Pensacola, Florida was fatally shot during a protest. He had been the subject of wanted-style posters distributed by Operation Rescue in the summer of 1992. Michael F. Griffin was found guilty of Dr. Gunn's murder and was sentenced to life in prison.
July 29, 1994: Dr. John Britton and James Barrett, a clinic escort, were both shot to death outside of another facility in Pensacola. Rev. Paul Jennings Hill was charged with the killings. Hill received a death sentence and was executed September 3, 2003.
December 30, 1994: Two receptionists, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, were killed in two clinic attacks in Brookline, Massachusetts. John Salvi, who prior to his arrest was distributing pamphlets from Human Life International,[6] was arrested and confessed to the killings. He died in prison and guards found his body under his bed with a plastic garbage bag tied around his head. Salvi had also confessed to a non-lethal attack in Norfolk, Virginia days before the Brookline killings.
January 29, 1998: Robert Sanderson, an off-duty police officer who worked as a security guard at an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, was killed when his workplace was bombed. Eric Robert Rudolph, who was also responsible for the 1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing, was charged with the crime and received two life sentences as a result.
October 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot to death at his home in Amherst, New York. His was the last in a series of similar shootings against providers in Canada and northern New York state which were all likely committed by James Kopp. Kopp was convicted of Dr. Slepian's murder after finally being apprehended in France in 2001.
May 31, 2009: Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed as he served as an usher at his church in Wichita, Kansas.[7]
Another doctor, George Patterson, was shot and killed in Mobile, Alabama on August 21, 1993, but it is uncertain whether his death was the direct result of his profession or rather a robbery.[8] [9]

 

[kyzr]

Excluding the good doctors being shot, that hardly makes a compelling case for domestic terrorism. Its not like the general public has a concern for their safety. The major point is that "anti-abortion terrorism" is a misnomer. Islamic terrorism is global and domestic and playing the domestic terroism card is a red-herring.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You said that no abortion clinic personnel were killed. You were wrong. I am not concerned about compelling whatevers, but rather about your creditibility.

 

[kyzr]

I stand corrected. Previous post edited.

 

[The T]

Abortion is not a political issue? Abortion is not a left/right issue?

When an issue transcends political lines, it ceases to become a left/right issue, you shitstain...

Just because you are pro-abortion doesn't mean all liberals are... Politics has no business being involved...

You're an idiot no matter what forum you post on... Congrats on that...

The three tenants...LIFE...Liberty, Persuit...

I Concur. It does transcend the lines by default.

 

[JakeStarkey]

What is it that you are really trying to say, T? Come on, let your real T out, man.

 

[Dr Grump]

Excluding the good doctors being shot, that hardly makes a compelling case for domestic terrorism. Its not like the general public has a concern for their safety. The major point is that "anti-abortion terrorism" is a misnomer. Islamic terrorism is global and domestic and playing the domestic terroism card is a red-herring.

Terrorism is terrorism....trying to dilute it doesn't mean that killing abortion doctors isn't terrorism.

Terrorism comes in many forms, from the Islamists, to the Jewish occupiers of the West Bank who shoot Palestinians...You can dress it up and call it coleslaw for all I care, but it is still terrorism...

 

[Modbert]

United Nations 1999 definition of Terrorism:

2. UN Resolution language (1999):"1. Strongly condemns all acts, methods and practices of terrorism as criminal and unjustifiable, wherever and by whomsoever committed; 2. Reiterates that criminal acts intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the general public, a group of persons or particular persons for political purposes are in any circumstance unjustifiable, whatever the considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or other nature that may be invoked to justify them". (GA Res. 51/210 Measures to eliminate international terrorism)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_terrorism#United_Nations

Killing Abortion Doctors falls under that. Sorry to burst the bubble for those of you who consider those murderers to be heroes.

 

[MaggieMae]

Those people have not done anything wrong other than decide to live on a commune with a lot of guns and that is not a crime in itself so why would you see them as a threat?

At least by that statement we know where YOU'RE coming from in just about any comment you make in any thread. Heil Hitler!

Someone who does nothing but say something offensive to you should have nothing done to them since they haven't done anything to you but upset you.

Whaaat??? What does that have to do with your obvious alignment, or at least sympathies with the Aryan Nation which is nothing more than the umbrella Nazi organization for all sorts of subversive activities? Using your logic, you shouldn't get all upset over the activities of the Democratic party since it has done nothing to YOU personally.

 

[MaggieMae]

iknowyoufailed...

That was hilarious...

let me stop laughing for a minute...

OK. I'm back.


Here is a link to the NAZI party platform and notice this slogan "common good before any individual good" and tell me what party repeats that mantra today.

Nazi Party Platform

We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality

This is why the left today caters to the "middle-class" because both NAZIism was based on communism and its ideas.

Except that never happened. So now you're actually BELIEVING what the Nazi manifesto said? Newsflash: They lied. A LOT.

Does it really matter if it did or not? Its pretty apparent that the heart of the NAZI party idealogy was the preservation of the middle-class which is similar to what a lot of modern democrats.

You are so ill-informed. Stop digging before you look like a complete fool.

Hitler's intent was to preserve the WHITE middle class. Even before he became chancellor, he used the union halls to rail against the Jews taking over businesses. There is so much accurate history about Nazy Germany, I wouldn't know where to tell you to start, but you definitely need to educate yourself better. Maybe just reading a few encyclopedia entries will help.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Abortion is not a political issue? Abortion is not a left/right issue?

When an issue transcends political lines, it ceases to become a left/right issue, you shitstain...

Just because you are pro-abortion doesn't mean all liberals are... Politics has no business being involved...

You're an idiot no matter what forum you post on... Congrats on that...

Name the liberals who have bombed abortion clinics or killed abortion doctors.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Abortion clinic personnel ARE Americans killed by terrorist acts, when that occurs. That is your gradeschool lesson for today. Try to learn it.

Only two American abortion clinic personnel were killed. That hardly makes the "domestic terrorism" threshold. More of a "lone nut shoots secretaries" story.
Anti-abortion violence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Did you intentionally leave out the abortion doctors killed?

Just how many have to be killed before it's classified as a terrorist act? This Nigerian idiot didn't kill anyone, why are you calling him a terrorist?

jeezus