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[DudleySmith]

lol. You missed the point.

Not surprised.

You meant to say, man you said some stupid shit, and now you need to post last with more stupid shit. Not surprised.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Both you and Dudley, are deploying Straw-man arguments, numerous ones.

You don't like having disagreements with folks, you don't understand what they believe, so now?

You feel the need to make up, or mischaracterize their positions. Everything both you and he, are writing is wrong. Nothing either of you are writing in this thread, makes a lick of sense. and has no relation to reality.

If you want to make a claim about someone, on what they bleev? Either link to where they have said it, or quote them.

Don't just make shit up. YOU, I know, have more integrity than this.

Dudley? meh, I don't give a rats ass about him. He is about as oily as Crep, Toro, and Synth, etc., Dudley lies, and uses fallacies all the damn time. You OTH, don't usually do that shit.

Statism - Wikipedia

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"While in use since the 1850s, the term statism gained significant usage in American political discourse throughout the 1930s and 1940s. Opposition to statism is termed anti-statism or anarchism. The latter is characterized by a complete rejection of all hierarchical rulership"

So, once again, what is your alternative to the state as the organizing principle for human beings.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I’ll take anarchy any day.

So, Mad Max it is.

I am incredulous that anybody could be so naive as to think investing power in the most ruthless among us is the way to go.

 

[gipper]

Articles of Confederation - Wikipedia

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Iroquois Confederacy | Definition, Significance, History, & Facts

Iroquois Confederacy (or Haudenosaunee Confederacy), confederation of five (later six) Indian tribes across upper New York state that participated in the struggle between the French and British in North America. The Iroquois nations are the Mohawk, Oneida, Onondaga, Cayuga, Seneca, and Tuscarora.

www.britannica.com

The Secret of the U.S. Constitution

The true history of the basis of the U.S. Constitution will surprise most people. And, sadly, it's not taught in schools.

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League of Mayapan - Wikipedia

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Delian League - Wikipedia

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Night-watchman state - Wikipedia

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Dennis has the solution, but I doubt it can be accomplished. Too many dumb state loving Americans.

We must break this deadly fealty to shadow-nations and corrupt and corrupting interest groups whose own leaders have without conscience enacted the worst example of man’s inhumanity to man in dark service of an ethno-religious project which is antithetical to every moral principle articulated in America’s founding documents.
It is urgent that 2024 be the year when we, the American people, make a new beginning.
We must take up our Constitution as a shield and insist upon the Freedoms it guarantees.
We must align with those essentially spiritual values which support life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
We must stop licensing and financing genocide.
We must stop funding and fueling wars around the world.
We must stop building up the freedom- extinguising national debt.
We must take care of our own people here at home.
We must begin to pay attention to the one nation whose affairs should matter most to us:
The United States of America.
It

 

[gipper]

So, Mad Max it is.

I am incredulous that anybody could be so naive as to think investing power in the most ruthless among us is the way to go.

Typical dumb statist reply.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Typical dumb statist reply.

Says the silly boy who supports the Globalist's undermining of the nation state because he thinks some sort of rainbows and unicorns style anarchy will result.

 

[MisterBeale]

lol it was the French and Brits who carried most of the water in WW I, and WW II was of course won by FDR, not a Republican whiner like Hoover who liked using the Army against American citizens.

We were not necessary for either of those Monarchists'/international bankers' adventures.

They were naught but an exercise to destroy German and Russian industrial power .. . and partially back fired.

American/Allied military power didn't do much, compared to Germans and Russians, in either.

. . you certainly do excel in parroting propaganda, don't you?

World War II Every Day with Army Sizes​

 

[gipper]

Says the silly boy who supports the Globalist's undermining of the nation state because he thinks some sort of rainbows and unicorns style anarchy will result.

You’ve got me entirely wrong. Not surprised.

 

[MisterBeale]

So, Mad Max it is.

I am incredulous that anybody could be so naive as to think investing power in the most ruthless among us is the way to go.

A . . . "Mad Max," type of world?

Doesn't lead to this;

 

[MisterBeale]

You’ve got me entirely wrong. Not surprised.

No, he is just ignorant, and so he needs to use straw-men to debate.

Corporate media, in bed with governments, is what he watches and listens to, so he actually believes, folks that oppose the tools of the globalists, are his enemy.

While he feeds and drinks from a poisoned trough.



What else can he do but throw out straw-men arguments, when he is relying on such terrible information for his warped world view?

The Tale of Two Greedy Landlords​

The Tale of Two Greedy Landlords

Once upon a time in a land far away and in a time of plenty there were two rich and prosperous Landlords who each owned large and spacious adjoining buildings wherein many people lived. The apartme…

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". . . And one day he invited them to a sumptuous dinner at his house and said “things could be better”.

“How could things be better, friend Banker?” asked Landlord B, “there is food in our granaries and money in our coffers, and everyone is happy”.

“Your people are charged too little for too much luxury. They expect fuel for their stoves and food in their markets, and are never grateful enough to you for your kindness.”

The two Landlords looked at each other and realized this might be true, for they rarely disagreed with the Banker.

“Yes,” said Landlord A, sadly shaking his head, “our people are feckless children that never give enough thanks for our largesse, but alas, what can we do?”.

“They need to be taught their place”, the Banker said. “They need to pay a proper price for what you provide and learn to be grateful. You should triple the price of food from your farms and fuel from the Communal Wood Pile”.

The two Landlords looked at each other in apprehension. They were greedy and liked the sound of this very much, but they were also cowards.

“But”, said Landlord B, “but if we do that they may just become annoyed and might refuse to pay or break our windows or our bones and then we will be worse off not better!”

This was true. And caused the Landlords to shake their heads regretfully.

But the Banker was cleverer than either of them. He merely smiled.

“They are children”, he said, “and children require stories in order to learn about life’s harsh truths. So, you will tell them a story”.

The two Landlords looked at him, but did not understand. . . ."
<snip>

“. . . We can be our own landlords”, became the cry. “We can keep our own Communal Woodpile, grow our own food in the farms. We can take back the gold hats and the gold shoes bought with OUR money. We can be free!”

The Banker could hear the growing commotion from his penthouse suite which covered the top floor of both the adjoining buildings, and he summoned the quaking, terrified Landlords to him.

“The tenants appear to have seen through our scheme and realize we have tricked them,” he said.

“They’re going to kill us!” Shrieked Landlord B.

“They’re going to take all our stuff”, screamed Landlord A.

“We need to think of something”, howled Landlord B, “before they come and kill us and take our gold hats and gold shoes and stop doing as we tell them”.

But the Banker only smiled.

“We can tell them the new and terrible plague became even more terrible,” said Landlord A, “and they must go home, lock their doors and ask no questions or they will all definitely die this time”.

“No”, said the Banker, “they are too wise now to the plague and won’t believe you”.

“We can tell them we’ll shoot anyone who tries to take our gold hats and gold shoes”, said Landlord A.

“No,” said the Banker, “there are too many of them and they are too angry.”

“They’re coming to get us!” cried Landlord B in great panic, “we have to do something!”

The Banker smiled a little more.

“Do you gentlemen remember your old boundary dispute from years ago, when you both claimed the old nettle patch was on your side of the fence?”

“Yes, but what use is that now?”, cried Landlord A in agonies of dread. . . ."

<snip>

". . . . And they fought each other with even more ferocity because now even more was at stake.

Instead of bringing words and fists to the fight they brought sticks and clubs and knives and began to kill each other because they were now cold and afraid.

Meanwhile as the blood flowed, the two greedy Landlords held another celebratory banquet, with a place at the head of the table for the Banker.

Then, and with mournful countenances, they increased the price of food another threefold and rationed fuel to the most deserving – because the tragic, unavoidable ongoing and bitter war for the Nettle Patch had finally broken the Supply Chain beyond repair and someone had tragically, unavoidably burned down nine tenths of the Communal Woodpile. .. . . "

 

[Dogmaphobe]

A . . . "Mad Max," type of world?

Doesn't lead to this;

So, mad max it is.

thanks for making your views clear on the subject.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

No, he is just ignorant, and so he needs to use straw-men to debate.

Corporate media, in bed with governments, is what he watches and listens to, so he actually believes, folks that oppose the tools of the globalists, are his enemy.

While he feeds and drinks from a poisoned trough.



What else can he do but throw out straw-men arguments, when he is relying on such terrible information for his warped world view?

The Tale of Two Greedy Landlords​

The Tale of Two Greedy Landlords

Once upon a time in a land far away and in a time of plenty there were two rich and prosperous Landlords who each owned large and spacious adjoining buildings wherein many people lived. The apartme…

off-guardian.org

". . . And one day he invited them to a sumptuous dinner at his house and said “things could be better”.

“How could things be better, friend Banker?” asked Landlord B, “there is food in our granaries and money in our coffers, and everyone is happy”.

“Your people are charged too little for too much luxury. They expect fuel for their stoves and food in their markets, and are never grateful enough to you for your kindness.”

The two Landlords looked at each other and realized this might be true, for they rarely disagreed with the Banker.

“Yes,” said Landlord A, sadly shaking his head, “our people are feckless children that never give enough thanks for our largesse, but alas, what can we do?”.

“They need to be taught their place”, the Banker said. “They need to pay a proper price for what you provide and learn to be grateful. You should triple the price of food from your farms and fuel from the Communal Wood Pile”.

The two Landlords looked at each other in apprehension. They were greedy and liked the sound of this very much, but they were also cowards.

“But”, said Landlord B, “but if we do that they may just become annoyed and might refuse to pay or break our windows or our bones and then we will be worse off not better!”

This was true. And caused the Landlords to shake their heads regretfully.

But the Banker was cleverer than either of them. He merely smiled.

“They are children”, he said, “and children require stories in order to learn about life’s harsh truths. So, you will tell them a story”.

The two Landlords looked at him, but did not understand. . . ."
<snip>

“. . . We can be our own landlords”, became the cry. “We can keep our own Communal Woodpile, grow our own food in the farms. We can take back the gold hats and the gold shoes bought with OUR money. We can be free!”

The Banker could hear the growing commotion from his penthouse suite which covered the top floor of both the adjoining buildings, and he summoned the quaking, terrified Landlords to him.

“The tenants appear to have seen through our scheme and realize we have tricked them,” he said.

“They’re going to kill us!” Shrieked Landlord B.

“They’re going to take all our stuff”, screamed Landlord A.

“We need to think of something”, howled Landlord B, “before they come and kill us and take our gold hats and gold shoes and stop doing as we tell them”.

But the Banker only smiled.

“We can tell them the new and terrible plague became even more terrible,” said Landlord A, “and they must go home, lock their doors and ask no questions or they will all definitely die this time”.

“No”, said the Banker, “they are too wise now to the plague and won’t believe you”.

“We can tell them we’ll shoot anyone who tries to take our gold hats and gold shoes”, said Landlord A.

“No,” said the Banker, “there are too many of them and they are too angry.”

“They’re coming to get us!” cried Landlord B in great panic, “we have to do something!”

The Banker smiled a little more.

“Do you gentlemen remember your old boundary dispute from years ago, when you both claimed the old nettle patch was on your side of the fence?”

“Yes, but what use is that now?”, cried Landlord A in agonies of dread. . . ."

<snip>

". . . . And they fought each other with even more ferocity because now even more was at stake.

Instead of bringing words and fists to the fight they brought sticks and clubs and knives and began to kill each other because they were now cold and afraid.

Meanwhile as the blood flowed, the two greedy Landlords held another celebratory banquet, with a place at the head of the table for the Banker.

Then, and with mournful countenances, they increased the price of food another threefold and rationed fuel to the most deserving – because the tragic, unavoidable ongoing and bitter war for the Nettle Patch had finally broken the Supply Chain beyond repair and someone had tragically, unavoidably burned down nine tenths of the Communal Woodpile. .. . . "

I am not ignorant in the least.

Your little buddy tossed around the word "statist" as a childish epithet, so I reminded him that the alternatives to the Nation State are either a one world government or anarchy.

I am actually the one who is NOT erecting straw men in doing so.

 

[MisterBeale]

So, mad max it is.

thanks for making your views clear on the subject.

False dilemma - Wikipedia

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[Dogmaphobe]

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False dilemma - Wikipedia

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No. There are three choices -- Mad Max, Big Brother and Nation States.

Once again, the GLOBALISTS represent big brother. That is why they are undermining Nation states like the U.S. and Israel.

 

[MisterBeale]

No. There are three choices -- Mad Max, Big Brother and Nation States.

Once again, the GLOBALISTS represent big brother. That is why they are undermining Nation states like the U.S. and Israel.

In post #90, I showed you, that the nation states, and other proxies, for making their global government, are preciesley the things, YOU support.

. . . have you supported war in the past few years??? Well, you didn't pay attention to your Orwell, you have been supporting the global government. Congrats.

The media you consume, and then parrot these narratives? These are, likewise, all their proxies.

YOU, are a very force for their agenda, while accusing others of doing that. We all see the irony in this thread.

We see you advocating for the US war on Russia, or the Israeli war on the Palestinians.
AM I SAYING HAMAS or the Russians are innocent? Hell no. The globalists have purposely built them up. This is a controlled op situation. (This is not their first rodeo.)

After this is all over, if and when, we will see global digital IDs, as the solution. It will be the solution to, "voting," and borders as well.

They will integrate, digital money, Central Bank Digital Dollars, and control all your buying and selling, as well as all your health care, and your social credits/carbon credits on that as well.

. . . all of it will be done, through folks local/regional nation/state. But it won't matter, it will all be the same. They are doing this in EVERY nation on the planet, as we speak. WE ALREADY HAVE A GLOBAL GOVERNMENT. . . via the nation states, you just aren't paying attention.

. .. all because you love and defend the nation state? THAT IS GLOBALISM IN THE 21st CENTURY!

2024: The Year Global Government Takes Shape​

2024: The Year Global Government Takes Shape

Global government is the endgame. We know that. Total control of every aspect of life for every single person on the planet, that’s the goal. That’s been apparent to anyone paying atten…

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". . . . First off, let’s talk about what we’re NOT going to see.

1 – They are not going to declare themselves. No, there will almost certainly never be an official “world government”, at least not for a long time yet. That’s a lesson they learned from Covid — putting a name and a face on globalism only foments collective resistance to it.

2 – They’re not going to abolish nationhood. You can be sure Klaus Schwab (or whoever) isn’t ever going to appear simulcast on every television in the world announcing that we’re all citizens of ze vurld now and that nation states no longer exist.

In part because that is likely to focus resistance (see point 1), but mainly because tribalism and nationalism are just too useful to all would-be manipulators of public opinion. And, of course the continuing existence of nation states in no way precludes the existence of a supra-national control system, any more than the existence of Rhode Island, Florida or Texas precludes the existence of the Federal government.

3 – There will never be an overt declaration of a change of system. We will not be told we are united under a new model, instead the illusion of regionality & superficial variance will camouflage a lack of real choice across the political landscape. A thin polysystemic skin stretched tight over a monosystemic skeleton.

Capitalism, communism, socialism, democracy, tyranny, monarchy…these words will steadily dilute in meaning, even more than they have already, but they will never be abandoned.

What globalism will bring us – I suggest – is a collection of nation-states largely in name only, operating superficially different systems of government all built on the same underpinning assumptions and all answering to an unelected and undeclared higher authority.

…and if that sounds familiar, it’s because it’s essentially what we have already.

The only major aspects missing are the mechanisms by which this rough model can be transformed into a flowing network, where all corners are eroded and all genuine sovereign powers become entirely vestigial.

That’s where the three main pillars of global rule come in:

1. Digital Money
2. Digital ID
3. “Climate Action”

Let’s take a look at each one in turn. . . . "

 

[d0gbreath]

Anarchists vote for big government?

If you vote, you're voting for big government, regardless of party.

 

[gipper]

No. There are three choices -- Mad Max, Big Brother and Nation States.

Once again, the GLOBALISTS represent big brother. That is why they are undermining Nation states like the U.S. and Israel.

You unknowingly admit you know nothing about anarchy, other than what the establishment has told you. Do you really think the establishment who has a huge vested interest in continuing the status quo, will tell you the truth about anarchy? I suppose you’re just dumb enough to think so. LMFAO.

 

[TNHarley]

If you vote, you're voting for big government, regardless of party.

If you vote for the duopoly you do.
An "anarchist" voting for big govt. I have never heard of such lolz

 

[Dogmaphobe]

You unknowingly admit you know nothing about anarchy, other than what the establishment has told you. Do you really think the establishment who has a huge vested interest in continuing the status quo, will tell you the truth about anarchy? I suppose you’re just dumb enough to think so. LMFAO.

You are the number one Hamas fanboi of USMB and repeat all the Pallywood propaganda as if absolute gospel.

Is Hamas the living example of this utopian anarchy you tout?

 

[gipper]

You are the number one Hamas fanboi of USMB and repeat all the Pallywood propaganda as if absolute gospel.

Is Hamas the living example of this utopian anarchy you tout?

Yeah opposing genocide means I’m a Hamas supporter, but only in your demented scrambled Joe Biden like mind.