The Pope says that the RC Church needs to apologize to gays (etc).

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Pope says Church should ask forgiveness from gays for past treatment

Look, the facts are not in dispute:

(a) The Bible, in several places, either states or implies that homosexual practices are seriously "sinful," or against God's laws. No need to document them here. No Pope can change Scripture.

(b) No one can be faulted for having an inclination to sin. Everyone is inclined to sin.

(c) There is no Biblical or moral (or even ethical) principle that legitimately claims that everyone has a "God-given" right to a desired form of sexual congress with any class of people. Single people have no moral right to copulate with anyone, regardless of gender. Married people have no moral right to copulate with anyone other than their spouse, no matter how much they "love" the person, or even if the spouse refuses to have sex. The fact that such copulation may be "harmless" does not really carry the moral argument.

(d) A person who is an "avowed" or "open" homosexual, or who is openly living in a homosexual relationship, is not only committing moral transgressions ("sins"), but is overtly proclaiming an intention to continue with that sinful behavior. It is this overt intention that makes it impossible for the RC Church to accept such people as members in good standing (specifically, able to receive Holy Communion), because even if past sins are told in confession, there is no intention to "sin no more," which is a prerequisite to obtaining absolution.

(e) Unlike other religions (e.g., the U.S. Episcopal Church), Catholics cannot vote to repeal longstanding moral principles based on Scripture. Thus, "practicing" homosexuals can NEVER be members-in-good-standing of the Catholic Church.

(f) There is nothing genetic that forces homosexuals to adopt the affectations that many of them do. It is entirely a form of "advertising" one's homosexuality. Thus, if a homosexual wants to go to Church, or even join a parish, based on a personal decision to ignore the Church's teachings on same-sex sodomy, there is nothing preventing him from doing so. In fact, he would be welcomed by the parish community, most of which is Leftist, and even if his sexual orientation were to become known to many individuals, it would make no difference.

(g) The rules for Lesbians are the same, but probably don't apply as broadly. For many lesbians, especially the ones over 50, sexual activity is sporadic or non-existent, and the fact that two women are living together is not particularly significant, morally speaking.

The Church don't need to apologize for nothing. If a Church official publicly states that homosexual sodomy is a "Mortal Sin" that is immoral and prevents the person from being truly a Roman Catholic...well, if the truth hurts you, that's your problem not the Church's problem. Anyone coming into a Church and acknowledging homosexual intentions, but manifesting a desire to remain celibate, will be welcomed with open arms. There are such people, but you don't read about them in People Magazine.

Sorry.
 
The Catholic Church might do better to focus upon apologizing to all the little boys those nonhomosexual priests buggered.
 
>>"For there are eunuchs who were born so from their mother's womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. To him who can comprehend, that is enough." (Matthew 19:12 Lamsa). The Aramaic word m'haym-ne (plural) is translated as eunuchs here, but literally means: trusted ones, faithful ones and believers. These "trusted ones" were also servants such as chamberlains, eunuchs and officers. Additionally, m'haym-ne meant homosexual men because they were trusted around women that were married or were not of their family. They weren't a threat in committing adultery with other mens' wives or in having pre marital sex with the women of the nation.
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Pope says Church should ask forgiveness from gays for past treatment

Look, the facts are not in dispute:

(a) The Bible, in several places, either states or implies that homosexual practices are seriously "sinful," or against God's laws. No need to document them here. No Pope can change Scripture.

(b) No one can be faulted for having an inclination to sin. Everyone is inclined to sin.

(c) There is no Biblical or moral (or even ethical) principle that legitimately claims that everyone has a "God-given" right to a desired form of sexual congress with any class of people. Single people have no moral right to copulate with anyone, regardless of gender. Married people have no moral right to copulate with anyone other than their spouse, no matter how much they "love" the person, or even if the spouse refuses to have sex. The fact that such copulation may be "harmless" does not really carry the moral argument.

(d) A person who is an "avowed" or "open" homosexual, or who is openly living in a homosexual relationship, is not only committing moral transgressions ("sins"), but is overtly proclaiming an intention to continue with that sinful behavior. It is this overt intention that makes it impossible for the RC Church to accept such people as members in good standing (specifically, able to receive Holy Communion), because even if past sins are told in confession, there is no intention to "sin no more," which is a prerequisite to obtaining absolution.

(e) Unlike other religions (e.g., the U.S. Episcopal Church), Catholics cannot vote to repeal longstanding moral principles based on Scripture. Thus, "practicing" homosexuals can NEVER be members-in-good-standing of the Catholic Church.

(f) There is nothing genetic that forces homosexuals to adopt the affectations that many of them do. It is entirely a form of "advertising" one's homosexuality. Thus, if a homosexual wants to go to Church, or even join a parish, based on a personal decision to ignore the Church's teachings on same-sex sodomy, there is nothing preventing him from doing so. In fact, he would be welcomed by the parish community, most of which is Leftist, and even if his sexual orientation were to become known to many individuals, it would make no difference.

(g) The rules for Lesbians are the same, but probably don't apply as broadly. For many lesbians, especially the ones over 50, sexual activity is sporadic or non-existent, and the fact that two women are living together is not particularly significant, morally speaking.

The Church don't need to apologize for nothing. If a Church official publicly states that homosexual sodomy is a "Mortal Sin" that is immoral and prevents the person from being truly a Roman Catholic...well, if the truth hurts you, that's your problem not the Church's problem. Anyone coming into a Church and acknowledging homosexual intentions, but manifesting a desire to remain celibate, will be welcomed with open arms. There are such people, but you don't read about them in People Magazine.

Sorry.
The Pope repeated, "Who am I to judge." That is the crux of it. Even though I am not Catholic, I was taught by my church that he without sin should throw the first stone, and that "Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord." Leave the judgment to the Lord and live by the Golden Rule.
 
The Catholic Church might do better to focus upon apologizing to all the little boys those nonhomosexual priests buggered.

They already have, and also I bet there are a lot less pedophile Priests per population that there are in Protestant churches or Christians as a whole.
 
Pope says Church should ask forgiveness from gays for past treatment

Look, the facts are not in dispute:

(a) The Bible, in several places, either states or implies that homosexual practices are seriously "sinful," or against God's laws. No need to document them here. No Pope can change Scripture.

(b) No one can be faulted for having an inclination to sin. Everyone is inclined to sin.

(c) There is no Biblical or moral (or even ethical) principle that legitimately claims that everyone has a "God-given" right to a desired form of sexual congress with any class of people. Single people have no moral right to copulate with anyone, regardless of gender. Married people have no moral right to copulate with anyone other than their spouse, no matter how much they "love" the person, or even if the spouse refuses to have sex. The fact that such copulation may be "harmless" does not really carry the moral argument.

(d) A person who is an "avowed" or "open" homosexual, or who is openly living in a homosexual relationship, is not only committing moral transgressions ("sins"), but is overtly proclaiming an intention to continue with that sinful behavior. It is this overt intention that makes it impossible for the RC Church to accept such people as members in good standing (specifically, able to receive Holy Communion), because even if past sins are told in confession, there is no intention to "sin no more," which is a prerequisite to obtaining absolution.

(e) Unlike other religions (e.g., the U.S. Episcopal Church), Catholics cannot vote to repeal longstanding moral principles based on Scripture. Thus, "practicing" homosexuals can NEVER be members-in-good-standing of the Catholic Church.

(f) There is nothing genetic that forces homosexuals to adopt the affectations that many of them do. It is entirely a form of "advertising" one's homosexuality. Thus, if a homosexual wants to go to Church, or even join a parish, based on a personal decision to ignore the Church's teachings on same-sex sodomy, there is nothing preventing him from doing so. In fact, he would be welcomed by the parish community, most of which is Leftist, and even if his sexual orientation were to become known to many individuals, it would make no difference.

(g) The rules for Lesbians are the same, but probably don't apply as broadly. For many lesbians, especially the ones over 50, sexual activity is sporadic or non-existent, and the fact that two women are living together is not particularly significant, morally speaking.

The Church don't need to apologize for nothing. If a Church official publicly states that homosexual sodomy is a "Mortal Sin" that is immoral and prevents the person from being truly a Roman Catholic...well, if the truth hurts you, that's your problem not the Church's problem. Anyone coming into a Church and acknowledging homosexual intentions, but manifesting a desire to remain celibate, will be welcomed with open arms. There are such people, but you don't read about them in People Magazine.

Sorry.
The Pope repeated, "Who am I to judge." That is the crux of it. Even though I am not Catholic, I was taught by my church that he without sin should throw the first stone, and that "Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord." Leave the judgment to the Lord and live by the Golden Rule.


By saying that people should not judge homosexuality out of one side of the mouth and then going on to say no one should hold their sins against them out of the other side the mouth they have already been judged by the very person who just said, "Who am I to judge?".
 
Pope says Church should ask forgiveness from gays for past treatment

Look, the facts are not in dispute:

(a) The Bible, in several places, either states or implies that homosexual practices are seriously "sinful," or against God's laws. No need to document them here. No Pope can change Scripture.

(b) No one can be faulted for having an inclination to sin. Everyone is inclined to sin.

(c) There is no Biblical or moral (or even ethical) principle that legitimately claims that everyone has a "God-given" right to a desired form of sexual congress with any class of people. Single people have no moral right to copulate with anyone, regardless of gender. Married people have no moral right to copulate with anyone other than their spouse, no matter how much they "love" the person, or even if the spouse refuses to have sex. The fact that such copulation may be "harmless" does not really carry the moral argument.

(d) A person who is an "avowed" or "open" homosexual, or who is openly living in a homosexual relationship, is not only committing moral transgressions ("sins"), but is overtly proclaiming an intention to continue with that sinful behavior. It is this overt intention that makes it impossible for the RC Church to accept such people as members in good standing (specifically, able to receive Holy Communion), because even if past sins are told in confession, there is no intention to "sin no more," which is a prerequisite to obtaining absolution.

(e) Unlike other religions (e.g., the U.S. Episcopal Church), Catholics cannot vote to repeal longstanding moral principles based on Scripture. Thus, "practicing" homosexuals can NEVER be members-in-good-standing of the Catholic Church.

(f) There is nothing genetic that forces homosexuals to adopt the affectations that many of them do. It is entirely a form of "advertising" one's homosexuality. Thus, if a homosexual wants to go to Church, or even join a parish, based on a personal decision to ignore the Church's teachings on same-sex sodomy, there is nothing preventing him from doing so. In fact, he would be welcomed by the parish community, most of which is Leftist, and even if his sexual orientation were to become known to many individuals, it would make no difference.

(g) The rules for Lesbians are the same, but probably don't apply as broadly. For many lesbians, especially the ones over 50, sexual activity is sporadic or non-existent, and the fact that two women are living together is not particularly significant, morally speaking.

The Church don't need to apologize for nothing. If a Church official publicly states that homosexual sodomy is a "Mortal Sin" that is immoral and prevents the person from being truly a Roman Catholic...well, if the truth hurts you, that's your problem not the Church's problem. Anyone coming into a Church and acknowledging homosexual intentions, but manifesting a desire to remain celibate, will be welcomed with open arms. There are such people, but you don't read about them in People Magazine.

Sorry.
The Pope repeated, "Who am I to judge." That is the crux of it. Even though I am not Catholic, I was taught by my church that he without sin should throw the first stone, and that "Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord." Leave the judgment to the Lord and live by the Golden Rule.


By saying that people should not judge homosexuality out of one side of the mouth and then going on to say no one should hold their sins against them out of the other side the mouth they have already been judged by the very person who just said, "Who am I to judge?".
If it's important to you that I understand what you just meant, you need to rephrase that.
 
Pope says Church should ask forgiveness from gays for past treatment

Look, the facts are not in dispute:

(a) The Bible, in several places, either states or implies that homosexual practices are seriously "sinful," or against God's laws. No need to document them here. No Pope can change Scripture.

(b) No one can be faulted for having an inclination to sin. Everyone is inclined to sin.

(c) There is no Biblical or moral (or even ethical) principle that legitimately claims that everyone has a "God-given" right to a desired form of sexual congress with any class of people. Single people have no moral right to copulate with anyone, regardless of gender. Married people have no moral right to copulate with anyone other than their spouse, no matter how much they "love" the person, or even if the spouse refuses to have sex. The fact that such copulation may be "harmless" does not really carry the moral argument.

(d) A person who is an "avowed" or "open" homosexual, or who is openly living in a homosexual relationship, is not only committing moral transgressions ("sins"), but is overtly proclaiming an intention to continue with that sinful behavior. It is this overt intention that makes it impossible for the RC Church to accept such people as members in good standing (specifically, able to receive Holy Communion), because even if past sins are told in confession, there is no intention to "sin no more," which is a prerequisite to obtaining absolution.

(e) Unlike other religions (e.g., the U.S. Episcopal Church), Catholics cannot vote to repeal longstanding moral principles based on Scripture. Thus, "practicing" homosexuals can NEVER be members-in-good-standing of the Catholic Church.

(f) There is nothing genetic that forces homosexuals to adopt the affectations that many of them do. It is entirely a form of "advertising" one's homosexuality. Thus, if a homosexual wants to go to Church, or even join a parish, based on a personal decision to ignore the Church's teachings on same-sex sodomy, there is nothing preventing him from doing so. In fact, he would be welcomed by the parish community, most of which is Leftist, and even if his sexual orientation were to become known to many individuals, it would make no difference.

(g) The rules for Lesbians are the same, but probably don't apply as broadly. For many lesbians, especially the ones over 50, sexual activity is sporadic or non-existent, and the fact that two women are living together is not particularly significant, morally speaking.

The Church don't need to apologize for nothing. If a Church official publicly states that homosexual sodomy is a "Mortal Sin" that is immoral and prevents the person from being truly a Roman Catholic...well, if the truth hurts you, that's your problem not the Church's problem. Anyone coming into a Church and acknowledging homosexual intentions, but manifesting a desire to remain celibate, will be welcomed with open arms. There are such people, but you don't read about them in People Magazine.

Sorry.
The Pope repeated, "Who am I to judge." That is the crux of it. Even though I am not Catholic, I was taught by my church that he without sin should throw the first stone, and that "Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord." Leave the judgment to the Lord and live by the Golden Rule.


By saying that people should not judge homosexuality out of one side of the mouth and then going on to say no one should hold their sins against them out of the other side the mouth they have already been judged by the very person who just said, "Who am I to judge?".
If it's important to you that I understand what you just meant, you need to rephrase that.


Fair enough.


By saying that other people should not judge homosexuals or hold their sins against them the person is judging homosexuality as sinful in direct contradiction to their own advice..

In other words, pure hypocricy.
 
The Catholic Church might do better to focus upon apologizing to all the little boys those nonhomosexual priests buggered.

They already have, and also I bet there are a lot less pedophile Priests per population that there are in Protestant churches or Christians as a whole.

May be, "I bet" sounds like you have no data though.

No one had data on this sort of thing. The RCC priests have no monopoly on pedophilia, but they have lots of money to be given out to lawsuits.
 
The Catholic Church might do better to focus upon apologizing to all the little boys those nonhomosexual priests buggered.

They already have, and also I bet there are a lot less pedophile Priests per population that there are in Protestant churches or Christians as a whole.
Why would you think that? Probably the #'s are about the same and consistent with the general population.
 
The Catholic Church might do better to focus upon apologizing to all the little boys those nonhomosexual priests buggered.

They already have, and also I bet there are a lot less pedophile Priests per population that there are in Protestant churches or Christians as a whole.

May be, "I bet" sounds like you have no data though.

No one had data on this sort of thing. The RCC priests have no monopoly on pedophilia, but they have lots of money to be given out to lawsuits.

Then we don't have any idea whether or not "there are a lot less pedophile Priests per population that there are in Protestant churches or Christians as a whole".
 
The Catholic Church might do better to focus upon apologizing to all the little boys those nonhomosexual priests buggered.

They already have, and also I bet there are a lot less pedophile Priests per population that there are in Protestant churches or Christians as a whole.

May be, "I bet" sounds like you have no data though.

No one had data on this sort of thing. The RCC priests have no monopoly on pedophilia, but they have lots of money to be given out to lawsuits.

Then we don't have any idea whether or not "there are a lot less pedophile Priests per population that there are in Protestant churches or Christians as a whole".

No, since the RCC has already apologized and paid millions for "the few bad apples" why does this have to be continuously brought up.

Why not talk about the pedophile Rabbis in NY who when found out get shipped off to Israel.
 
The Catholic Church might do better to focus upon apologizing to all the little boys those nonhomosexual priests buggered.

They already have, and also I bet there are a lot less pedophile Priests per population that there are in Protestant churches or Christians as a whole.

May be, "I bet" sounds like you have no data though.

No one had data on this sort of thing. The RCC priests have no monopoly on pedophilia, but they have lots of money to be given out to lawsuits.

Then we don't have any idea whether or not "there are a lot less pedophile Priests per population that there are in Protestant churches or Christians as a whole".

No, since the RCC has already apologized and paid millions for "the few bad apples" why does this have to be continuously brought up.

Why not talk about the pedophile Rabbis in NY who when found out get shipped off to Israel.

Please do .....
 
The Catholic Church might do better to focus upon apologizing to all the little boys those nonhomosexual priests buggered.

They already have, and also I bet there are a lot less pedophile Priests per population that there are in Protestant churches or Christians as a whole.
Why would you think that? Probably the #'s are about the same and consistent with the general population.
The Catholic Church might do better to focus upon apologizing to all the little boys those nonhomosexual priests buggered.

They already have, and also I bet there are a lot less pedophile Priests per population that there are in Protestant churches or Christians as a whole.

May be, "I bet" sounds like you have no data though.

No one had data on this sort of thing. The RCC priests have no monopoly on pedophilia, but they have lots of money to be given out to lawsuits.

Then we don't have any idea whether or not "there are a lot less pedophile Priests per population that there are in Protestant churches or Christians as a whole".

Well a Priest is a member of a large organization and Protestant preachers are scattered and can't and aren't counted as whole.
 
They already have, and also I bet there are a lot less pedophile Priests per population that there are in Protestant churches or Christians as a whole.

May be, "I bet" sounds like you have no data though.

No one had data on this sort of thing. The RCC priests have no monopoly on pedophilia, but they have lots of money to be given out to lawsuits.

Then we don't have any idea whether or not "there are a lot less pedophile Priests per population that there are in Protestant churches or Christians as a whole".

No, since the RCC has already apologized and paid millions for "the few bad apples" why does this have to be continuously brought up.

Why not talk about the pedophile Rabbis in NY who when found out get shipped off to Israel.

Please do .....

anyone? the question is ---do you know the names of pedophile rabbis who got shipped to Israel?
 
The Catholic Church might do better to focus upon apologizing to all the little boys those nonhomosexual priests buggered.

They already have, and also I bet there are a lot less pedophile Priests per population that there are in Protestant churches or Christians as a whole.
Why would you think that? Probably the #'s are about the same and consistent with the general population.
The Catholic Church might do better to focus upon apologizing to all the little boys those nonhomosexual priests buggered.

They already have, and also I bet there are a lot less pedophile Priests per population that there are in Protestant churches or Christians as a whole.

May be, "I bet" sounds like you have no data though.

No one had data on this sort of thing. The RCC priests have no monopoly on pedophilia, but they have lots of money to be given out to lawsuits.

Then we don't have any idea whether or not "there are a lot less pedophile Priests per population that there are in Protestant churches or Christians as a whole".

Well a Priest is a member of a large organization and Protestant preachers are scattered and can't and aren't counted as whole.

They certainly can be, try "Protestant" as a category. I mean that was your distinction right? Fewer RCC priests than others?
 
The Catholic Church might do better to focus upon apologizing to all the little boys those nonhomosexual priests buggered.

They already have, and also I bet there are a lot less pedophile Priests per population that there are in Protestant churches or Christians as a whole.
Why would you think that? Probably the #'s are about the same and consistent with the general population.
They already have, and also I bet there are a lot less pedophile Priests per population that there are in Protestant churches or Christians as a whole.

May be, "I bet" sounds like you have no data though.

No one had data on this sort of thing. The RCC priests have no monopoly on pedophilia, but they have lots of money to be given out to lawsuits.

Then we don't have any idea whether or not "there are a lot less pedophile Priests per population that there are in Protestant churches or Christians as a whole".

Well a Priest is a member of a large organization and Protestant preachers are scattered and can't and aren't counted as whole.

They certainly can be, try "Protestant" as a category. I mean that was your distinction right? Fewer RCC priests than others?

such stats---are by their nature----inaccurate----what I do not understand would be why our dear penny would object if the
Pope feels like apologizing for something. He is a kind of commander in chief of all catholic priests-----the last guy in the CHAIN OF COMMAND----there are no such people in most protestant sects-------except british Anglican------ITS THE QUEEN. Pope Frances is a very affectionate kissy pope---he likes to make everyone happy
 
They already have, and also I bet there are a lot less pedophile Priests per population that there are in Protestant churches or Christians as a whole.

May be, "I bet" sounds like you have no data though.

No one had data on this sort of thing. The RCC priests have no monopoly on pedophilia, but they have lots of money to be given out to lawsuits.

Then we don't have any idea whether or not "there are a lot less pedophile Priests per population that there are in Protestant churches or Christians as a whole".

No, since the RCC has already apologized and paid millions for "the few bad apples" why does this have to be continuously brought up.

Why not talk about the pedophile Rabbis in NY who when found out get shipped off to Israel.

Please do .....

Here read all about it.

pedophiles rabbis who get transferred to israel - Google Search
 
The RCC doesn't need to apologies to gays, but the evangelicals should all get together with one spokesman and apologies,

Who would that be, a spokesman for all the Protestant churches, right, they don't have one.
 

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