Zone1 Four Beliefs of Christian Doctrine - What If Any are Taken Away?

[BULLDOG]

Except...I never said either.

Not as a direct quote, but as a general description of your remarks, it was dead on.

 

[Meriweather]

Not as a direct quote, but as a general description of your remarks, it was dead on.

Not even close.

 

[onefour1]

Faith is a gift.

Faith​

• See also Belief, Believe; Hope; Jesus Christ; Trust

Confidence in something or someone. As most often used in the scriptures, faith is confidence and trust in Jesus Christ that lead a person to obey Him. Faith must be centered in Jesus Christ in order for it to lead a person to salvation. Latter-day Saints also have faith in God the Father, the Holy Ghost, priesthood power, and other important aspects of the restored gospel.
Faith includes a hope for things which are not seen, but which are true (Heb. 11:1; Alma 32:21; Ether 12:6). Faith is kindled by hearing the gospel taught by authorized administrators sent by God (Rom. 10:14–17). Miracles do not produce faith, but strong faith is developed by obedience to the gospel of Jesus Christ. In other words, faith comes by righteousness (Alma 32:40–43; Ether 12:4, 6, 12; D&C 63:9–12).
True faith brings miracles, visions, dreams, healings, and all the gifts of God that He gives to His Saints. By faith one obtains a remission of sins and eventually is able to dwell in God’s presence. A lack of faith leads one to despair, which comes because of iniquity (Moro. 10:22).

• The just shall live by faith, Hab. 2:4.
• Thy faith hath made thee whole, Matt. 9:22 (Mark 5:34; Luke 7:50).
• According to your faith be it unto you, Matt. 9:29.
• If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, nothing shall be impossible unto you, Matt. 17:20 (Luke 17:6).
• I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not, Luke 22:32.
• Faith in Christ’s name hath made this man strong, Acts 3:16.
• Faith cometh by hearing the word of God, Rom. 10:17.
• If Christ is not risen your faith is also vain, 1 Cor. 15:14.
• Faith worketh by love, Gal. 5:6.
• By grace are ye saved through faith, Eph. 2:8 (2 Ne. 25:23).
• Take the shield of faith, Eph. 6:16 (D&C 27:17).
• I have finished my course, I have kept the faith, 2 Tim. 4:7.
• Faith is the substance of things hoped for, Heb. 11:1.
• Without faith it is impossible to please him, Heb. 11:6.
• Faith, if it hath not works, is dead, James 2:17–18, 22.
• I will go and do the things which the Lord hath commanded, 1 Ne. 3:7.
• The Lord is able to do all things for the children of men, if they exercise faith in him, 1 Ne. 7:12.
• The pointers in the Liahona worked according to faith, 1 Ne. 16:28.
• Repent, and be baptized in his name, having perfect faith in the Holy One, 2 Ne. 9:23.
• Christ works mighty miracles among the children of men according to their faith, 2 Ne. 26:13 (Ether 12:12; Moro. 7:27–29, 34–38).
• Enos’s sins were forgiven because of his faith in Christ, Enos 1:3–8.
• Salvation cometh to none such except it be through faith on the Lord Jesus Christ, Mosiah 3:12.
• Hearts are changed through faith on his name, Mosiah 5:7.
• The prayers of God’s servants are answered according to their faith, Mosiah 27:14.
• Give us strength according to our faith in Christ, Alma 14:26.
• Call on God’s name in faith, Alma 22:16.
• Faith is not to have a perfect knowledge of things, Alma 32:21 (Ether 12:6).
• As it beginneth to swell even so nourish it by your faith, Alma 33:23 (Alma 32:28).
• Their preservation was ascribed to the miraculous power of God because of their exceeding faith, Alma 57:25–27.
• As many as should look upon the Son of God with faith might live, Hel. 8:15.
• I see that your faith is sufficient that I should heal you, 3 Ne. 17:8.
• Faith is things which are hoped for and not seen, Ether 12:6.
• All they who wrought miracles wrought them by faith, Ether 12:12–18.
• If they have faith in me, then will I make weak things become strong unto them, Ether 12:27–28, 37.
• Mormon taught about faith, hope, and charity, Moro. 7.
• Whatsoever thing ye shall ask the Father in my name, which is good, in faith believing that ye shall receive, behold, it shall be done unto you, Moro. 7:26.
• They who have faith in Christ will cleave unto every good thing, Moro. 7:28.
• If ye shall ask, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth, Moro. 10:4.
• Without faith ye can do nothing; therefore ask in faith, D&C 8:10.
• It should be granted unto them according to their faith in their prayers, D&C 10:47, 52.
• All men must endure in faith on his name to the end, D&C 20:25, 29.
• The Spirit shall be given unto you by the prayer of faith, D&C 42:14.
• Faith cometh not by signs, but signs follow those that believe, D&C 63:9–12.
• Parents are to teach children faith in Christ, D&C 68:25.
• Seek learning, even by study and also by faith, D&C 88:118.
• Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ is the first principle of the gospel, A of F 1:4.

Faith can be had by anyone who chooses to believe.

 

[onefour1]

I have no concern either way what you believe. That's none of my business. When you reach the point that you want your religion to interfere with my rights, I will call you crazy. You might want to read the thread title to understand why I said what I said.

I simply was responding to your inquiry. I'm sorry I won't bother you again.

 

[jwoodie]

Jesus was fully human and fully God. During his ministry they couldn't understand the latter. After his resurrection they couldn't understand the former.

Whether or not in jest, you put your finger on the lack of scientific knowledge that existed when the Nicene Creed was created 300 years after Jesus's death. At that time, there was little or no understanding of genetics, astronomy or physics. As a result, the ideas of a virgin birth, a physical Heaven and Jesus's ascension to it were plausible embellishments. Today, they are largely relegated to mindless oaths of allegiance to various Christian theologies.

 

[ding]

Whether or not in jest, you put your finger on the lack of scientific knowledge that existed when the Nicene Creed was created 300 years after Jesus's death. At that time, there was little or no understanding of genetics, astronomy or physics. As a result, the ideas of a virgin birth, a physical Heaven and Jesus's ascension to it were plausible embellishments. Today, they are largely relegated to mindless oaths of allegiance to various Christian theologies.

There are over 24,000 written manuscripts that detail the miracles performed by Christ. Were those embellishments?

 

[BreezeWood]

There are over 24,000 written manuscripts that detail the miracles performed by Christ. Were those embellishments?

no, the documents you claim never existed much less to be observed for verification ... not one document exists preserved by them they may have used to write the 4th century christian bible.

 

[ding]

no, the documents you claim never existed much less to be observed for verification ... not one document exists preserved by them they may have used to write the 4th century christian bible.

They exist today. Google is your friend.

 

[BreezeWood]

They exist today. Google is your friend.

yes, goggle isn't a liar ...

 

[ding]

yes, goggle isn't a liar ...

Correct. You are.

 

[BreezeWood]

Correct. You are.

They exist today.

- documents to write the 4th century christian bible never existed ... bing the liar - without remorse.

 

[ding]

- documents to write the 4th century christian bible never existed ... bing the liar - without remorse.

Biblical manuscript - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[BreezeWood]

XXXX

provide the documents archived they used to write the phony christian bible ... bing the christian liar.

 

[ding]

provide the documents archived they used to write the phony christian bible ... bing the christian liar.

Biblical Manuscripts | Houston Christian University

Biblical Manuscripts What is a Manuscript? A manuscript is a hand-written document. The word has its origin in Latin: manu (hand) and scriptum (written). Th ...

hc.edu

 

[BreezeWood]

XXXX

provide the documents archived they used to write the phony christian bible ... bing the liar.

they spent 100 years writing in the 4th century.

 

[surada]

they spent 100 years writing in the 4th century.

The old testament was redacted and amended in the 5th century BC..

Many of the books were tweaked after the fact to include prophecy "fulfilled"

 

[ding]

they spent 100 years writing in the 4th century.

No, not all of them. Compared to other events in antiquity, the number, accuracy and time from the event are without parallel.

 

[BreezeWood]

The old testament was redacted and amended in the 5th century BC..

Many of the books were tweaked after the fact to include prophecy "fulfilled"

and the archives of the original documents and those, the new ones that are rewritten - they are found where ...

 

[surada]

and the archives of the original documents and those, the new ones that are rewritten - they are found where ...

The Dead Sea scrolls were hidden between 200 BC and 150 AD so those copies existed.

 

[crossbody]

Christian doctrine seems to include the following beliefs:
1. Jesus was God in human form (immaculate conception);
2. Jesus performed miracles;
3. Jesus was God's blood sacrifice for our sins; and
4. Jesus physically arose from the dead.

My question is whether someone must accept all of these beliefs in order to be a Christian. What if Jesus was not immaculately conceived? What if He did not perform miracles? What if God did not demand His blood sacrifice? What if He did not physically arise from the dead?

I have always considered myself to be a Christian, but I have serious doubts as to the literal application of these beliefs. For example, how could Jesus be a man if he didn't possess X Chromosomes? From the Creator of the Universe, miracles seem like cheap card tricks. Did the New Testament God of Love really demand a human sacrifice? How would a human body physically ascend to Heaven?

Are all of these beliefs necessary to accept the authority of Christ's teachings?

Those are Catholic beliefs not Christian beliefs. Not all Christians adhere to the Catholic Trinity.