The nature of our rights, Constitutionally speaking.

[BackAgain]

A thread started by Votto quoting Justice Thomas got me thinking. (Always dangerous, I suppose.)

Here is the link to Votto ‘s OP. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas blasts progressivism as threat to America

ANYWAY, my question is open to both our more or less liberal/progressive posting members and our conservative members.

Under our Constitution, do you believe that our rights are “given” to us by the Constitution, itself, or that those rights are only guaranteed to us by the Constitution but that the source of those rights existed before the Constitution was even drafted?

Public vote. Feel free to add other answers.

 

[White 6]

A thread started by Votto quoting Justice Thomas got me thinking. (Always dangerous, I suppose.)

Here is the link to Votto ‘s OP. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas blasts progressivism as threat to America

ANYWAY, my question is open to both our more or less liberal/progressive posting members and our conservative members.

Under our Constitution, do you believe that our rights are “given” to us by the Constitution, itself, or that those rights are only guaranteed to us by the Constitution but that the source of those rights existed before the Constitution was even drafted?

Public vote. Feel free to add other answers.

Yes, they existed, but were not recognized and codified, but only dreamed of, by the oppressed. The founding fathers that they should be considered God give rights, and put them into our Constitution, so they might not ever be taken away.

 

[konradv]

A thread started by Votto quoting Justice Thomas got me thinking. (Always dangerous, I suppose.)

Here is the link to Votto ‘s OP. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas blasts progressivism as threat to America

ANYWAY, my question is open to both our more or less liberal/progressive posting members and our conservative members.

Under our Constitution, do you believe that our rights are “given” to us by the Constitution, itself, or that those rights are only guaranteed to us by the Constitution but that the source of those rights existed before the Constitution was even drafted?

Public vote. Feel free to add other answers.

Not “given”, agreed upon.

 

[sparky]

Did they before the magna carta , or other such charters might be a prudent Q ......~S~

 

[shockedcanadian]

They are protected now, given by G-d as natural laws but only if defended. These rights will be taken from you at the drop of a hat I assure you. Canada has a Charter of Rights and Freedoms but they have little value here in Canada which has become a de facto police state. The objective of global operatives seems to be to remove your rights as well and they will surely succeed, especially as many of your police agencies remain close and shamefully trust other nations such as ours. Just the facts. Agencies who are noble today become anything but tonorrow.

 

[Chuz Life]

A thread started by Votto quoting Justice Thomas got me thinking. (Always dangerous, I suppose.)

Here is the link to Votto ‘s OP. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas blasts progressivism as threat to America

ANYWAY, my question is open to both our more or less liberal/progressive posting members and our conservative members.

Under our Constitution, do you believe that our rights are “given” to us by the Constitution, itself, or that those rights are only guaranteed to us by the Constitution but that the source of those rights existed before the Constitution was even drafted?

Public vote. Feel free to add other answers.

Depends on the specific right.

Some rights are inherent. The right to life, the right to defend oneself, etc.

Some rights are human constructs (marriage, for example.)

 

[22lcidw]

Not “given”, agreed upon.

At times we do not pay attention to the documents.

 

[there4eyeM]

The "source" of "rights", as with all concepts and language, is intellect. Humans conceived of "rights" long before the US was formed. The Constitution sought to clarify and confirm certain points. This has had mixed results, especially due to various intellectual biases.

 

[22lcidw]

We can use any individual or any members of or the whole group against any individual or any members of or the whole group as examples. We also have many people who have forgiveness in them. In anything that can give us attitudes or grudges. So, we use one group, say the police. If one gives a questionable ticket and violates a civil right once it may be forgiven. If it happens many times and includes other members that is abuse towards civil rights. At some point people get attorneys and get paid in damages. Of course, there are people that look to get attorneys all the time also. We are also jaded and cynical in our nation and that does not help.

 

[Chuz Life]

The "source" of "rights", as with all concepts and language, is intellect. Humans conceived of "rights" long before the US was formed. The Constitution sought to clarify and confirm certain points. This has had mixed results, especially due to various intellectual biases.

Is intellect the source of rights?

Or is intellect the ability to see them more clearly?

I think it's more the latter.

But I do appreciate the thought you raised.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

A thread started by Votto quoting Justice Thomas got me thinking. (Always dangerous, I suppose.)

Here is the link to Votto ‘s OP. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas blasts progressivism as threat to America

ANYWAY, my question is open to both our more or less liberal/progressive posting members and our conservative members.

Under our Constitution, do you believe that our rights are “given” to us by the Constitution, itself, or that those rights are only guaranteed to us by the Constitution but that the source of those rights existed before the Constitution was even drafted?

Public vote. Feel free to add other answers.

I believe that the Constitution enshrines rights given to us by the Creator.

The only true role of government is to protect the rights of the People

Augustus ran Rome without a Federal Register or even a police force; disputes were handled by the Courts

Assuming Western Civilization actually does collapse later this year, your OP will be worth remembering

 

[konradv]

At times we do not pay attention to the documents.

Trump surely doesn’t.

 

[riseabovethis]

They are protected now, given by G-d as natural laws but only if defended. These rights will be taken from you at the drop of a hat I assure you. Canada has a Charter of Rights and Freedoms but they have little value here in Canada which has become a de facto police state. The objective of global operatives seems to be to remove your rights as well and they will surely succeed, especially as many of your police agencies remain close and shamefully trust other nations such as ours. Just the facts. Agencies who are noble today become anything but tonorrow.

Again with police state bullshit. Why don't you give some examples where these rights were taken away from someone other than by a court ruling which applied to all of us.

Why don't explain what happened that you consider Canada a police state?

 

[shockedcanadian]

Again with police state bullshit. Why don't you give some examples where these rights were taken away from someone other than by a court ruling which applied to all of us.

Why don't explain what happened that you consider Canada a police state?

If you have followed my posts you would know more than enough. Now it is up to U.S agencies to decide which nations you consider rue allies based on shared values, or, determine just who is a fraud.

I cannot name names on this site but I am far more transparent on discreet platforms with key stakeholders.

 

[Votto]

A thread started by Votto quoting Justice Thomas got me thinking. (Always dangerous, I suppose.)

Here is the link to Votto ‘s OP. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas blasts progressivism as threat to America

ANYWAY, my question is open to both our more or less liberal/progressive posting members and our conservative members.

Under our Constitution, do you believe that our rights are “given” to us by the Constitution, itself, or that those rights are only guaranteed to us by the Constitution but that the source of those rights existed before the Constitution was even drafted?

Public vote. Feel free to add other answers.

The real question here is, is there a power above the state power that is bigger and more powerful than the state that gives us various rights?

The people that believe in God are the only ones who think so. This means that they are siding with a power that agrees with them, and thus, will someday be ultimately victorious if only you stand up to those who don't as you do and fight for what is right. All you have to do is to let God help fight your battles under seemingly impossible odds, much how those who fought the US revolution were. It prompts people to stand up to tyranny even though their lives may be in danger, or they may lose their lives. Without such believe in a higher power, people gravitate towards cowardice and allowing corruption to flourish.

Those that don't have anything to fear from any higher power are thus free to abuse and mistreat people are they like without fearing any real repercussions so long as they are never discovered or so long as there are no powerful people holding them to account when they are discovered, much like the corruption revealed in the US government every day of the year that is not held to account. For those people, the only real concern is the opinion of the majority, and the ability to mold and manipulate that majority opinion because they view that majority opinion as the real power of their power. Such people are then never focused on what is right or wrong, rather, they are only focused on being in control of the majority opinion via the media or academia etc.

In their mind, might makes right because right and wrong, in and of itself, does not exist. But such a believe will destroy a nation, as we see the US begin to crumble from its massive debt and corruption.

Here is an alarming example of what I am talking about. The godless Leftists cannot even condemn genocide of the Jews as wrong.



From my vantage point, you can have all the governments on earth proclaiming how genocide is Ok, but I won't give a damn no matter how much of a democratic majority they have. I will never agree.

 

[Votto]

 

[gipper]

A thread started by Votto quoting Justice Thomas got me thinking. (Always dangerous, I suppose.)

Here is the link to Votto ‘s OP. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas blasts progressivism as threat to America

ANYWAY, my question is open to both our more or less liberal/progressive posting members and our conservative members.

Under our Constitution, do you believe that our rights are “given” to us by the Constitution, itself, or that those rights are only guaranteed to us by the Constitution but that the source of those rights existed before the Constitution was even drafted?

Public vote. Feel free to add other answers.

Lol. So naive. The constitution means absolutely nothing to the ruling class. If you don’t know that by, you don’t know much.

 

[Hafar1014]

No it doesnt its says "their creator" which allows an atheist to say nature is his creator

 

[sparky]

I believe that the Constitution enshrines rights given to us by the Creator.

well then unfuzz me Frank......i musta missed 'life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness' in my King James......~S~

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Lol. So naive. The constitution means absolutely nothing to the ruling class. If you don’t know that by, you don’t know much.

Charters, fooundational documents, pacts, orders, constitutions, rarely affect the ruling class and have been that way since the beginning of human beings.