The national polls got it right in 2016

[Mikeoxenormous]

LOL!! Another attempt to rewrite 2016...here it is again in case you forgot:

Everything in the OP is correct. But it was barely 77,000 votes across three states. None of which he is leading in right now. He's also down in Florida, North Carolina, and Arizona and running just about even in Texas and Ohio.
He has a record to run on this year. He's not the outsider. All people are seeing right now is 160K dead (and climbing), 12% unemployment, and a guy who doesn't seem like he can stay focused long enough to finish a sentence.
This ain't 2016.

Lib please outside of California Trump crushed you by over 1 million votes in the other 49 states you got your ass handed to you. Dems were walking funny for months after. There was a run on painkillers and anti-depression meds. It's as if God punished the Democrats

46 swing electoral votes that went to Trump over Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. None of which he's leading in right now.
But yeah, Trump crushed em!

Oooh you have been stroking your poll again.....better watch out

He's liable to catch STD from himself if he isn't careful.

Or he could go blind with all that strokin....

 

[Marion Morrison]

OP is is retard! Have any other bright ideas, OP?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

LOL!! Another attempt to rewrite 2016...here it is again in case you forgot:

Everything in the OP is correct. But it was barely 77,000 votes across three states. None of which he is leading in right now. He's also down in Florida, North Carolina, and Arizona and running just about even in Texas and Ohio.
He has a record to run on this year. He's not the outsider. All people are seeing right now is 160K dead (and climbing), 12% unemployment, and a guy who doesn't seem like he can stay focused long enough to finish a sentence.
This ain't 2016.

Lib please outside of California Trump crushed you by over 1 million votes in the other 49 states you got your ass handed to you. Dems were walking funny for months after. There was a run on painkillers and anti-depression meds. It's as if God punished the Democrats

46 swing electoral votes that went to Trump over Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. None of which he's leading in right now.
But yeah, Trump crushed em!

Oooh you have been stroking your poll again.....better watch out

He's liable to catch STD from himself if he isn't careful.

Or he could go blind with all that strokin....

He said he'd only do it until he needs glasses...

 

[Marion Morrison]

Trump's followers would have us believe that Trump defied all the national polls and won the election. They could not be more wrong.

In the first place, the national polls gauge the popular vote, not the Electoral College.

In the second place, Trump lost the popular vote by three million. Trump won in the Electoral College because voters in small states (in terms of population) have a larger say in the Presidential election than the voters in large states.

American University Professor Allan Lichtman who became famous for accurately predicting the winner of every Presidential election since 1984 -- including 2016 -- has issued his verdict for 2020: Joe Biden will defeat President Trump.

But the historian got it wrong. The Times writes, "Right now, polls say Joe Biden has a healthy lead over President Trump. But we’ve been here before (cue 2016), and the polls were, frankly, wrong."

No, they were not!

National polls only measure the popular vote. Clinton did, in fact, win the national popular vote by 2.1 points. The average of the 13 final national polls had Clinton ahead by 3.1 points, which was only a point off the actual result. One last look: 2016 polls actually got a lot right | TheHill

The election was won by less than 80,000 votes. Axios reports that Trump won Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin by 0.2, 0.7 and 0.8 percentage points, respectively — and by 10,704, 46,765 and 22,177 votes. Those three wins gave him 46 electoral votes; if Clinton had done one point better in each state, she'd have won the electoral vote, too."

Nearly everyone today has forgotten the effect James Comey had on the election. Eleven days before Election Day, FBI Director Comey reopened the FBI investigation of Hillary Clinton. Clinton had a substantial lead in the polls, but in the week that followed Comey's announcement her lead quickly evaporated. Two days before the election, Comey issued a "sorry about that" and closed the investigation for lack of anything new.

The Hill reports, "Exit polling found that late-deciders in Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin broke for Trump by double-digit margins as high as 29 points."

During the election campaign, every voter in the country knew that the FBI was investigating Clinton. The FBI was also investigating the Trump campaign for its alleged cooperation with Russia. Voters were not aware of that investigation until after the election.

In the first place, the national polls gauge the popular vote, not the Electoral College.

There were no polls in 2016 that gauged the Electoral College?

The election was won by less than 80,000 votes.

The election was won....304-221

That's a lot of electoral votes.

 

[busybee01]

LOL!! Another attempt to rewrite 2016...here it is again in case you forgot:

Everything in the OP is correct. But it was barely 77,000 votes across three states. None of which he is leading in right now. He's also down in Florida, North Carolina, and Arizona and running just about even in Texas and Ohio.
He has a record to run on this year. He's not the outsider. All people are seeing right now is 160K dead (and climbing), 12% unemployment, and a guy who doesn't seem like he can stay focused long enough to finish a sentence.
This ain't 2016.

Lib please outside of California Trump crushed you by over 1 million votes in the other 49 states you got your ass handed to you. Dems were walking funny for months after. There was a run on painkillers and anti-depression meds. It's as if God punished the Democrats

46 swing electoral votes that went to Trump over Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. None of which he's leading in right now.
But yeah, Trump crushed em!

46 swing electoral votes that went to Trump over Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. None of which he's leading in right now.

What did the polls say in those 3 states in August 2016?

The polls in Pennsylvania got it within the margin of error. The RCP average had Clinton up by 2.1 percetage points. Trump won by 0.7 percentage points.

The RCP average had Clinton up by 2.1 percetage points.

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RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Clinton

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In August, RCP had Hillary up by 8%.

You also had a margin of error. Add 2.1 +.7 and you get a 2.8% difference. Within the margin of error.

 

[BrokeLoser]

In the second place, Trump lost the popular vote by three million.

What did the “WINNER” of this make believe popular vote win?
Trump didn’t campaign in filthy shitholes like Mexifornia and Loon York...he doesn’t sell his ass to wetbacks, weirdos and bottom feeders...that’s why he won the only ‘contest’ that mattered.
What else can I teach you?

 

[mikegriffith1]

Actually, the center-right won the popular vote in the 2016 election, by over 2 million votes. If you add up all the votes for president in the 2016 election, including votes for third-party presidential candidates, the center-right won the popular vote, and won it rather handily, not the left:

Trump -- 62,983,000
Johnson -- 4,500,000
McMullin -- 700,000
Castle -- 172,000
TOTAL -- 68,355,000

Clinton -- 65,853,000
Stein -- 469,000
TOTAL -- 66,322,000

This means that the center-right vote topped the center-left vote by more than 2 million votes: 68,355,000 to 66,322,000. That is encouraging.

One reason that Hillary lost in 2016 is that she got slightly fewer votes than Obama got in 2012: she received 65,853,000 vs. 65,915,000 for Obama. Trump, on the other hand, got over 2 million more votes than Romney got in 2012: he received 62,984,000 vs. 60,933,000 for Romney.

Moreover, not only did Trump beat Hillary in states won 30-20, but Trump buried Hillary in counties won: He won over 3,000 counties, while she won fewer than 200. Think about that: the county is the most basic political unit. Yet, Hillary won a majority of the votes in fewer than 200 counties out of over 3,200.

I might add that Republicans held 33 governorships after the 2016 election. You can't gerrymander governors' races; they are based solely on the popular vote in the state. So a majority of the citizens in 33 states have elected a Republican as their governor.

And don't let anyone get away with the nonsense that Gary Johnson was closer to Hillary than Trump. Johnson campaigned on things like repealing Obamacare, supporting school vouchers, ending the right of public unions to collectively bargain for benefits, defending the Citizens United decision, repealing Dodd-Frank, repealing the birth control mandate for insurance, abolishing the Federal Reserve, cutting personal income taxes (including corporate taxes), ending the inheritance tax, ending Common Core, imposing huge cuts on federal spending, ending mandatory vaccinations, etc., etc.

 

[BluesLegend]

In the second place, Trump lost the popular vote by three million.

What did the “WINNER” of this make believe popular vote win?
Trump didn’t campaign in filthy shitholes like Mexifornia and Loon York...he doesn’t sell his ass to wetbacks, weirdos and bottom feeders...that’s why he won the only ‘contest’ that mattered.
What else can I teach you?

No popular vote election, no popular vote campaign ads, campaign stops, strategy, bus tours, no popular vote anything yet someone won it. Poor Dems they are so pitiful these days.

 

[kyzr]

LOL!! Another attempt to rewrite 2016...here it is again in case you forgot:

Everything in the OP is correct. But it was barely 77,000 votes across three states. None of which he is leading in right now. He's also down in Florida, North Carolina, and Arizona and running just about even in Texas and Ohio.
He has a record to run on this year. He's not the outsider. All people are seeing right now is 160K dead (and climbing), 12% unemployment, and a guy who doesn't seem like he can stay focused long enough to finish a sentence.
This ain't 2016.

1. The entire point of the 2016 video is that early polls are wrong, and the 95% negative MSM is wrong. The blue archipelago, or democrat plantations can be very blue, but that does not account for the solid red areas. Polls won't matter until after the debates. I also know union folks who will swear they will vote for Biden when polled, but like in 2016, they will vote for Trump.
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2. If the democrats are trying to blame Trump for the covid pandemic, voters are not stupid. Good luck with Biden after the debates.

3. In November you can either vote with the police, or vote with the criminals.

1) Again, this isn't 2016. The incumbent has a record. And you can post brightly colored maps with a lot open space in this country that is considered red all that you want. States like Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Utah are sparsely populated. We already know these states are going to vote red. As you right wingers so rightly point out, the state's electoral votes are what count. And right now, he's behind in all the states he carried in 2016..and running even to behind in three others he won by a significant margin. And I wouldn't hope too greatly for those debates. The second Trump has to explain policy and can't resort to his bullying tactics or blustering, he's toast.

President Trump Job Approval | Election Other | RealClearPolitics

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval

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2) Voters already blame Trump for the response to COVID-19. Despite lists of "accomplishments" I've seen you post here and those on his campaign's website, nothing he did actually contributed to slowing or preventing the spread of the virus until the adults were forced to sideline Because he said so.

3) On November 3rd, you'll be voting either for a return to sanity and policy making or continued incompetence and corruption. Not much of a choice there. Biden with all his gaffes and with all the shit right wing media is throwing against the wall in vain hope of salvaging Trump's re-election, is a better choice. Hands down.

1. You seem so optimistic, I don't want to spoil your election hopes. I hope you watched the video I posted about 2016, its eerily like the "Trump can't win" MSM drumbeat now. The dems have a "blue wall" that Trump can't get over, Trump has no path to 270 electoral votes, etc. IMHO 2020 will be like this <again>
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2. Which voters blame Trump for the pandemic response? Not the Trump voters. We (and more than a few democrat governors) think Trump did just fine thank you.

3. Before November 3rd happens there will be 3-debates between Biden and Trump. Topics Biden will need to answer are:
How does Hunter Biden deserve the $83,000 a month job with Burisma? How did Hunter get a cool $1,500,000,000 from China to "invest"? We saw the video of you threatening to withhold a $billion from the Ukraine if the prosecutor investigating Burisma isn't fired, that is corruption in plain sight. Explain Bernie's socialist policies you adopted. Explain Trump's "populist" economic policies you adopted. Explain your position on: defund the police, free college, free healthcare (Medicare for all), the green new deal, closing all pipelines, open borders, reparations, antifa, etc. I think the election will be over after the 1st debate.

Yep, I know. Hope springs eternal in Trumpland. But hey, maybe that vaccine will be out by November 3rd. Oh yeah, and no one except you right wingers cares about Hunter Biden. I mean, literally, no one.
The rest?...Biden is a centrist. While he will certainly need to make concessions to bring the Bernie Bros on board, my guess is they'll want to vote the current hot mess out no matter what. They won't be staying home this year. Sorry. And the plethora of stuff to hit Trump with in a debate? A ill advised tax cut, a couple of bloated budgets, more "acting" heads of departments than just about any other administration, constant staff turnover, firing Comey, Charlottesville, Ukraine, impeachment, a blown response to the pandemic, and lookey!...The New York prosecutors investigating his financial dealings...so much to choose from and I haven't even listed them all. You're right, it won't take much for Biden to bury Trump in the first debate.

You have a lot to unpack there! So lets go thru them one by one:
1. The vaccine and therapies will be out, not sure when. Trump doesn't need them to win, he has Biden.
2. Hunter Biden is evidence of corruption, Joe can't tap dance around it
3. Biden needs to run as a socialist to keep the Bernie and AOC wing attached
4. Trump's tax cut:

U.S. Companies' Repatriated Cash Hits $1 Trillion Under Tax Law

Corporations have brought back more than $1 trillion of overseas profits to the U.S. since Congress overhauled the international tax system and prodded companies to repatriate offshore funds, a report showed Thursday.

www.bloomberg.com

5. Bloated Budgets? thank Nancy and the House democrats
6. Acting heads? Is that bad? C'mon man. You a junkie?
7. Firing Comey was a good thing, he falsified FISA warrants. Comey is toast when Barr & Durham issue indictments
8. Charlottesville. Was about removing statues or not.
9. Ukraine. Burisma and Hunter's $83,000 a month
10. Impeachment. for a non-crime, a partisan sham
11. The pandemic. China's COVID-19 virus. Trump did just fine, ask the democrat governors
12. NY prosecutors? Oh boy you really got him now. <not>
13. Biden in the debates? I can't wait. Only (55) more days to the first debate.

Trump's 1st term was a miracle in itself, the biggest upset in US election history. Hillary and the DNC actually colluded with and paid Russians for "dirt" on Trump, the "Steele Dossier". Obama used the power of the DOJ, FBI, CIA and other Federal agencies to illegally spy on and setup Trump for failure. Operations Crossfire Hurricane and Razor, the Mueller Investigation, Russian Collusion Hoax, the MSM's constant 95% negative coverage and "fake news", Never-Trump Republicans, the Lincoln Project, globalists of every stripe, the entrenched Deep State who all oppose Trump's policies, the planted leakers and whistle-blowers, and the RINOs who'd rather shill for K-Street than work for main street. Then add to all of that the outright hatred shown by the House democrats toward Trump, to the point of "non-crime" Impeachment Articles.

Trump is battle tested, taking press conferences and interviews every day, Biden is hiding in his basement.

 

[WTF19]

LOL!! Another attempt to rewrite 2016...here it is again in case you forgot:

Everything in the OP is correct. But it was barely 77,000 votes across three states. None of which he is leading in right now. He's also down in Florida, North Carolina, and Arizona and running just about even in Texas and Ohio.
He has a record to run on this year. He's not the outsider. All people are seeing right now is 160K dead (and climbing), 12% unemployment, and a guy who doesn't seem like he can stay focused long enough to finish a sentence.
This ain't 2016.

Yeah but anyone with a brain knows it was Killer Cuomo and his band of Dem governors in sanctuary states leading that death total with around 90 plus thousand of our total in six states....they blew it not the President libber. And we will be out to vote for him without having taken any doofus polls

Go for it. He will always have his loyal base of 32-35% (depending on who's poll you believe). But the independents and even some conservative Republicans are long gone. And the people who stayed on the sidelines in 2016 will be out on November 3rd to make sure this chucklehead and his merry band of sycophants get shown the door. Hopefully, they'll take a lot of Republicans with them.
There just aren't enough of you true believers to get him over the hump this time.

and Bejing Joe will have the backing of every democrat that dropped out so mindless joe could run...i cant seem to figure that out other than the ones that did drop out thought they werent good enough...so now you have a brain dead person running...what an awesomw choice...come november Bejing joe wont realize theres an election...GREAT CHOICE democrats!!!wtf

 

[badbob85037]

Trump's followers would have us believe that Trump defied all the national polls and won the election. They could not be more wrong.

In the first place, the national polls gauge the popular vote, not the Electoral College.

In the second place, Trump lost the popular vote by three million. Trump won in the Electoral College because voters in small states (in terms of population) have a larger say in the Presidential election than the voters in large states.

American University Professor Allan Lichtman who became famous for accurately predicting the winner of every Presidential election since 1984 -- including 2016 -- has issued his verdict for 2020: Joe Biden will defeat President Trump.

But the historian got it wrong. The Times writes, "Right now, polls say Joe Biden has a healthy lead over President Trump. But we’ve been here before (cue 2016), and the polls were, frankly, wrong."

No, they were not!

National polls only measure the popular vote. Clinton did, in fact, win the national popular vote by 2.1 points. The average of the 13 final national polls had Clinton ahead by 3.1 points, which was only a point off the actual result. One last look: 2016 polls actually got a lot right | TheHill

The election was won by less than 80,000 votes. Axios reports that Trump won Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin by 0.2, 0.7 and 0.8 percentage points, respectively — and by 10,704, 46,765 and 22,177 votes. Those three wins gave him 46 electoral votes; if Clinton had done one point better in each state, she'd have won the electoral vote, too."

Nearly everyone today has forgotten the effect James Comey had on the election. Eleven days before Election Day, FBI Director Comey reopened the FBI investigation of Hillary Clinton. Clinton had a substantial lead in the polls, but in the week that followed Comey's announcement her lead quickly evaporated. Two days before the election, Comey issued a "sorry about that" and closed the investigation for lack of anything new.

The Hill reports, "Exit polling found that late-deciders in Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin broke for Trump by double-digit margins as high as 29 points."

During the election campaign, every voter in the country knew that the FBI was investigating Clinton. The FBI was also investigating the Trump campaign for its alleged cooperation with Russia. Voters were not aware of that investigation until after the election.

When 72% of the ones polled are democrats it is not a poll, only ones trying to make me feel my vote won't count. If the polls are right and America elect one who's mind is going then once again it would be time to look for another country. Don't get me wrong I love this nation but if Joe wins he would be hollow with the radical Left making all his decisions and the nation will go South on the fast track.

 

[badbob85037]

LOL!! Another attempt to rewrite 2016...here it is again in case you forgot:

Everything in the OP is correct. But it was barely 77,000 votes across three states. None of which he is leading in right now. He's also down in Florida, North Carolina, and Arizona and running just about even in Texas and Ohio.
He has a record to run on this year. He's not the outsider. All people are seeing right now is 160K dead (and climbing), 12% unemployment, and a guy who doesn't seem like he can stay focused long enough to finish a sentence.
This ain't 2016.

Yeah but anyone with a brain knows it was Killer Cuomo and his band of Dem governors in sanctuary states leading that death total with around 90 plus thousand of our total in six states....they blew it not the President libber. And we will be out to vote for him without having taken any doofus polls

Go for it. He will always have his loyal base of 32-35% (depending on who's poll you believe). But the independents and even some conservative Republicans are long gone. And the people who stayed on the sidelines in 2016 will be out on November 3rd to make sure this chucklehead and his merry band of sycophants get shown the door. Hopefully, they'll take a lot of Republicans with them.
There just aren't enough of you true believers to get him over the hump this time.

and Bejing Joe will have the backing of every democrat that dropped out so mindless joe could run...i cant seem to figure that out other than the ones that did drop out thought they werent good enough...so now you have a brain dead person running...what an awesomw choice...come november Bejing joe wont realize theres an election...GREAT CHOICE democrats!!!wtf

Same old stuff. Democrats find the worst person for the job. Just look at anyone in the 8 years of the 0bama administration. An attorney general found in Contempt of Congress and another pleading the 5th. For Homeland Security Napolitano that took Arizona from 3 billion in the black to 3 billion in the red with her free-bees drawing illegals here like flies to shit. An administration that saw no problem selling Russia our uranium or sending 50 billion in cash to Iran. Pathetic and treasonous. We use to hang these chumps. Now democRats elect them to run the country.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

LOL!! Another attempt to rewrite 2016...here it is again in case you forgot:

Everything in the OP is correct. But it was barely 77,000 votes across three states. None of which he is leading in right now. He's also down in Florida, North Carolina, and Arizona and running just about even in Texas and Ohio.
He has a record to run on this year. He's not the outsider. All people are seeing right now is 160K dead (and climbing), 12% unemployment, and a guy who doesn't seem like he can stay focused long enough to finish a sentence.
This ain't 2016.

Lib please outside of California Trump crushed you by over 1 million votes in the other 49 states you got your ass handed to you. Dems were walking funny for months after. There was a run on painkillers and anti-depression meds. It's as if God punished the Democrats

46 swing electoral votes that went to Trump over Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. None of which he's leading in right now.
But yeah, Trump crushed em!

46 swing electoral votes that went to Trump over Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. None of which he's leading in right now.

What did the polls say in those 3 states in August 2016?

The polls in Pennsylvania got it within the margin of error. The RCP average had Clinton up by 2.1 percetage points. Trump won by 0.7 percentage points.

The RCP average had Clinton up by 2.1 percetage points.

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RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Clinton

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In August, RCP had Hillary up by 8%.

You also had a margin of error. Add 2.1 +.7 and you get a 2.8% difference. Within the margin of error.

Hillary was up over 8% in August 2016 in Pennsylvania.
She lost by 0.7%.
Well outside the margin of error.

 

[JimZiegelbauer]

Trump's followers would have us believe that Trump defied all the national polls and won the election. They could not be more wrong.

In the first place, the national polls gauge the popular vote, not the Electoral College.

In the second place, Trump lost the popular vote by three million. Trump won in the Electoral College because voters in small states (in terms of population) have a larger say in the Presidential election than the voters in large states.

American University Professor Allan Lichtman who became famous for accurately predicting the winner of every Presidential election since 1984 -- including 2016 -- has issued his verdict for 2020: Joe Biden will defeat President Trump.

But the historian got it wrong. The Times writes, "Right now, polls say Joe Biden has a healthy lead over President Trump. But we’ve been here before (cue 2016), and the polls were, frankly, wrong."

No, they were not!

National polls only measure the popular vote. Clinton did, in fact, win the national popular vote by 2.1 points. The average of the 13 final national polls had Clinton ahead by 3.1 points, which was only a point off the actual result. One last look: 2016 polls actually got a lot right | TheHill

The election was won by less than 80,000 votes. Axios reports that Trump won Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin by 0.2, 0.7 and 0.8 percentage points, respectively — and by 10,704, 46,765 and 22,177 votes. Those three wins gave him 46 electoral votes; if Clinton had done one point better in each state, she'd have won the electoral vote, too."

Nearly everyone today has forgotten the effect James Comey had on the election. Eleven days before Election Day, FBI Director Comey reopened the FBI investigation of Hillary Clinton. Clinton had a substantial lead in the polls, but in the week that followed Comey's announcement her lead quickly evaporated. Two days before the election, Comey issued a "sorry about that" and closed the investigation for lack of anything new.

The Hill reports, "Exit polling found that late-deciders in Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin broke for Trump by double-digit margins as high as 29 points."

During the election campaign, every voter in the country knew that the FBI was investigating Clinton. The FBI was also investigating the Trump campaign for its alleged cooperation with Russia. Voters were not aware of that investigation until after the election.

yeah Hillary lover and thier as wrong again in 2020 with Pervert Joe Biden, Electoral College votes elect a POTUS in this Country

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

LOL!! Another attempt to rewrite 2016...here it is again in case you forgot:

Everything in the OP is correct. But it was barely 77,000 votes across three states. None of which he is leading in right now. He's also down in Florida, North Carolina, and Arizona and running just about even in Texas and Ohio.
He has a record to run on this year. He's not the outsider. All people are seeing right now is 160K dead (and climbing), 12% unemployment, and a guy who doesn't seem like he can stay focused long enough to finish a sentence.
This ain't 2016.

1. The entire point of the 2016 video is that early polls are wrong, and the 95% negative MSM is wrong. The blue archipelago, or democrat plantations can be very blue, but that does not account for the solid red areas. Polls won't matter until after the debates. I also know union folks who will swear they will vote for Biden when polled, but like in 2016, they will vote for Trump.
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2. If the democrats are trying to blame Trump for the covid pandemic, voters are not stupid. Good luck with Biden after the debates.

3. In November you can either vote with the police, or vote with the criminals.

1) Again, this isn't 2016. The incumbent has a record. And you can post brightly colored maps with a lot open space in this country that is considered red all that you want. States like Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Utah are sparsely populated. We already know these states are going to vote red. As you right wingers so rightly point out, the state's electoral votes are what count. And right now, he's behind in all the states he carried in 2016..and running even to behind in three others he won by a significant margin. And I wouldn't hope too greatly for those debates. The second Trump has to explain policy and can't resort to his bullying tactics or blustering, he's toast.

President Trump Job Approval | Election Other | RealClearPolitics

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval

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2) Voters already blame Trump for the response to COVID-19. Despite lists of "accomplishments" I've seen you post here and those on his campaign's website, nothing he did actually contributed to slowing or preventing the spread of the virus until the adults were forced to sideline Because he said so.

3) On November 3rd, you'll be voting either for a return to sanity and policy making or continued incompetence and corruption. Not much of a choice there. Biden with all his gaffes and with all the shit right wing media is throwing against the wall in vain hope of salvaging Trump's re-election, is a better choice. Hands down.

1. You seem so optimistic, I don't want to spoil your election hopes. I hope you watched the video I posted about 2016, its eerily like the "Trump can't win" MSM drumbeat now. The dems have a "blue wall" that Trump can't get over, Trump has no path to 270 electoral votes, etc. IMHO 2020 will be like this <again>
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2. Which voters blame Trump for the pandemic response? Not the Trump voters. We (and more than a few democrat governors) think Trump did just fine thank you.

3. Before November 3rd happens there will be 3-debates between Biden and Trump. Topics Biden will need to answer are:
How does Hunter Biden deserve the $83,000 a month job with Burisma? How did Hunter get a cool $1,500,000,000 from China to "invest"? We saw the video of you threatening to withhold a $billion from the Ukraine if the prosecutor investigating Burisma isn't fired, that is corruption in plain sight. Explain Bernie's socialist policies you adopted. Explain Trump's "populist" economic policies you adopted. Explain your position on: defund the police, free college, free healthcare (Medicare for all), the green new deal, closing all pipelines, open borders, reparations, antifa, etc. I think the election will be over after the 1st debate.

Yep, I know. Hope springs eternal in Trumpland. But hey, maybe that vaccine will be out by November 3rd. Oh yeah, and no one except you right wingers cares about Hunter Biden. I mean, literally, no one.
The rest?...Biden is a centrist. While he will certainly need to make concessions to bring the Bernie Bros on board, my guess is they'll want to vote the current hot mess out no matter what. They won't be staying home this year. Sorry. And the plethora of stuff to hit Trump with in a debate? A ill advised tax cut, a couple of bloated budgets, more "acting" heads of departments than just about any other administration, constant staff turnover, firing Comey, Charlottesville, Ukraine, impeachment, a blown response to the pandemic, and lookey!...The New York prosecutors investigating his financial dealings...so much to choose from and I haven't even listed them all. You're right, it won't take much for Biden to bury Trump in the first debate.

You have a lot to unpack there! So lets go thru them one by one:
1. The vaccine and therapies will be out, not sure when. Trump doesn't need them to win, he has Biden.
2. Hunter Biden is evidence of corruption, Joe can't tap dance around it
3. Biden needs to run as a socialist to keep the Bernie and AOC wing attached
4. Trump's tax cut:

U.S. Companies' Repatriated Cash Hits $1 Trillion Under Tax Law

Corporations have brought back more than $1 trillion of overseas profits to the U.S. since Congress overhauled the international tax system and prodded companies to repatriate offshore funds, a report showed Thursday.

www.bloomberg.com

5. Bloated Budgets? thank Nancy and the House democrats
6. Acting heads? Is that bad? C'mon man. You a junkie?
7. Firing Comey was a good thing, he falsified FISA warrants. Comey is toast when Barr & Durham issue indictments
8. Charlottesville. Was about removing statues or not.
9. Ukraine. Burisma and Hunter's $83,000 a month
10. Impeachment. for a non-crime, a partisan sham
11. The pandemic. China's COVID-19 virus. Trump did just fine, ask the democrat governors
12. NY prosecutors? Oh boy you really got him now. <not>
13. Biden in the debates? I can't wait. Only (55) more days to the first debate.

Trump's 1st term was a miracle in itself, the biggest upset in US election history. Hillary and the DNC actually colluded with and paid Russians for "dirt" on Trump, the "Steele Dossier". Obama used the power of the DOJ, FBI, CIA and other Federal agencies to illegally spy on and setup Trump for failure. Operations Crossfire Hurricane and Razor, the Mueller Investigation, Russian Collusion Hoax, the MSM's constant 95% negative coverage and "fake news", Never-Trump Republicans, the Lincoln Project, globalists of every stripe, the entrenched Deep State who all oppose Trump's policies, the planted leakers and whistle-blowers, and the RINOs who'd rather shill for K-Street than work for main street. Then add to all of that the outright hatred shown by the House democrats toward Trump, to the point of "non-crime" Impeachment Articles.

Trump is battle tested, taking press conferences and interviews every day, Biden is hiding in his basement.

OMG. A true believer. Man, it's just completely discouraging to see something like this happen to a bloc of voters. Battle tested?...Press conferences?..Interviews?...if you mean barely coherent ramblings sure. You gonna visit Yose-Mite anytime soon? Or maybe Thigh-Land? It does make for good laughs, I'll give you that. Those that talk about Biden have no legs to stand on here.

I really wish people would stop linking the Bloomberg article. It just confirms what was written by Forbes six months prior. The 2017 tax cut allowed companies to repatriate cash. Mostly to buy back stock. That money, never made it to the average worker in the form of raises or more jobs. It was successful in the fact that it did exactly what McConnell and Ryan wanted it to do. Be a big, fat gift to corporations and wealthy donors.

The 2017 Tax Cuts Didn't Work, The Data Prove It

A new report confirms what the data already showed: The 2017 tax cuts for the richest Americans and corporations did not work as promised. Workers did not see higher wages, but instead the federal government incurred massive deficits while wealth inequality increased.

www.forbes.com

As for the rest? Here's your bottom line. Donald Trump makes his own problems. He always has. The only reason he gets away with things is because we've thrown all sense of norms out the window. And his Republican enablers. I have no doubt that Barr and Durham will try to spring whatever manufactured evidence they gather as an October surprise, but in the end, no one except right wingers will care about Hunter Biden. And as far as I can see, he isn't running for President.

Trump has a record. And he'll have to defend it. I too am looking forward to the debates.
This isn't 2016.

 

[Claudette]

Actually the so-called "national polls" predicted the electoral votes rather than the popular vote. If it wasn't for New York or California Hillary wouldn't have come close in the popular vote. You almost gotta laugh that lefties really think Hillary was popular when it was only in NY and Ca.

Hitlery isn't popular at all. In fact many Dems can't stand the *****. I have Dem friends who wouldn't vote for her as dog catcher. She isn't well liked at all even among Dems.

Hell she couldn't even thank her supporter when she lost. She threw a drunken fit and Podesta had to go out and thank those folks. She has a high opinion of herself. Unfortunately for her many can't stand her POS ass.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Trump's followers would have us believe that Trump defied all the national polls and won the election. They could not be more wrong.

In the first place, the national polls gauge the popular vote, not the Electoral College.

In the second place, Trump lost the popular vote by three million. Trump won in the Electoral College because voters in small states (in terms of population) have a larger say in the Presidential election than the voters in large states.

American University Professor Allan Lichtman who became famous for accurately predicting the winner of every Presidential election since 1984 -- including 2016 -- has issued his verdict for 2020: Joe Biden will defeat President Trump.

But the historian got it wrong. The Times writes, "Right now, polls say Joe Biden has a healthy lead over President Trump. But we’ve been here before (cue 2016), and the polls were, frankly, wrong."

No, they were not!

National polls only measure the popular vote. Clinton did, in fact, win the national popular vote by 2.1 points. The average of the 13 final national polls had Clinton ahead by 3.1 points, which was only a point off the actual result. One last look: 2016 polls actually got a lot right | TheHill

The election was won by less than 80,000 votes. Axios reports that Trump won Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin by 0.2, 0.7 and 0.8 percentage points, respectively — and by 10,704, 46,765 and 22,177 votes. Those three wins gave him 46 electoral votes; if Clinton had done one point better in each state, she'd have won the electoral vote, too."

Nearly everyone today has forgotten the effect James Comey had on the election. Eleven days before Election Day, FBI Director Comey reopened the FBI investigation of Hillary Clinton. Clinton had a substantial lead in the polls, but in the week that followed Comey's announcement her lead quickly evaporated. Two days before the election, Comey issued a "sorry about that" and closed the investigation for lack of anything new.

The Hill reports, "Exit polling found that late-deciders in Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin broke for Trump by double-digit margins as high as 29 points."

During the election campaign, every voter in the country knew that the FBI was investigating Clinton. The FBI was also investigating the Trump campaign for its alleged cooperation with Russia. Voters were not aware of that investigation until after the election.

******* liar we all knew before the election

 

[jbrownson0831]

Trump's followers would have us believe that Trump defied all the national polls and won the election. They could not be more wrong.

In the first place, the national polls gauge the popular vote, not the Electoral College.

In the second place, Trump lost the popular vote by three million. Trump won in the Electoral College because voters in small states (in terms of population) have a larger say in the Presidential election than the voters in large states.

American University Professor Allan Lichtman who became famous for accurately predicting the winner of every Presidential election since 1984 -- including 2016 -- has issued his verdict for 2020: Joe Biden will defeat President Trump.

But the historian got it wrong. The Times writes, "Right now, polls say Joe Biden has a healthy lead over President Trump. But we’ve been here before (cue 2016), and the polls were, frankly, wrong."

No, they were not!

National polls only measure the popular vote. Clinton did, in fact, win the national popular vote by 2.1 points. The average of the 13 final national polls had Clinton ahead by 3.1 points, which was only a point off the actual result. One last look: 2016 polls actually got a lot right | TheHill

The election was won by less than 80,000 votes. Axios reports that Trump won Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin by 0.2, 0.7 and 0.8 percentage points, respectively — and by 10,704, 46,765 and 22,177 votes. Those three wins gave him 46 electoral votes; if Clinton had done one point better in each state, she'd have won the electoral vote, too."

Nearly everyone today has forgotten the effect James Comey had on the election. Eleven days before Election Day, FBI Director Comey reopened the FBI investigation of Hillary Clinton. Clinton had a substantial lead in the polls, but in the week that followed Comey's announcement her lead quickly evaporated. Two days before the election, Comey issued a "sorry about that" and closed the investigation for lack of anything new.

The Hill reports, "Exit polling found that late-deciders in Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin broke for Trump by double-digit margins as high as 29 points."

During the election campaign, every voter in the country knew that the FBI was investigating Clinton. The FBI was also investigating the Trump campaign for its alleged cooperation with Russia. Voters were not aware of that investigation until after the election.

In the first place, the national polls gauge the popular vote, not the Electoral College.

There were no polls in 2016 that gauged the Electoral College?

The election was won by less than 80,000 votes.

The election was won....304-221

The electoral college can follow the popular vote. Clinton won the popular vote by 2.1 percentage points and lost by 80,000 votes in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. If Biden was to win by 5 then those three states would likely fall into the Democrat column.

Biden wont win anything....remember he was on his way out of the primaries, enjoying the same usual last place finish he always does even among Democrat voters, before the DNC took over and manipulated the scenario. Sleepy Joe will get slaughtered

The DNC changed nothing. It was voters in SC that gave Biden a big win with 50% of the vote. Again you qare clueless. Never let facts get in your way.

Riiiggghtt.....and all the others magically dropped out and gave their support to Sleepy Joe the boob squeezer and not front runner Bernie....and they all lived happily everafter...

 

[jbrownson0831]

LOL!! Another attempt to rewrite 2016...here it is again in case you forgot:

Everything in the OP is correct. But it was barely 77,000 votes across three states. None of which he is leading in right now. He's also down in Florida, North Carolina, and Arizona and running just about even in Texas and Ohio.
He has a record to run on this year. He's not the outsider. All people are seeing right now is 160K dead (and climbing), 12% unemployment, and a guy who doesn't seem like he can stay focused long enough to finish a sentence.
This ain't 2016.

1. The entire point of the 2016 video is that early polls are wrong, and the 95% negative MSM is wrong. The blue archipelago, or democrat plantations can be very blue, but that does not account for the solid red areas. Polls won't matter until after the debates. I also know union folks who will swear they will vote for Biden when polled, but like in 2016, they will vote for Trump.
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2. If the democrats are trying to blame Trump for the covid pandemic, voters are not stupid. Good luck with Biden after the debates.

3. In November you can either vote with the police, or vote with the criminals.

1. The early polls were correct. They initially showed Clinton with a large lead over Trump however it dropped as time went on. The Democrat primary results were not all that impressive for Clinton. The polls in 2020 have been steady for Biden. The pandemic is not going away and Trump's lack of leadership has been exposed. His Axios interview was a disaster. That is not good.

2. Trump is receiving poor marks for his handling of the pandemic. He has done everything he can to help it spread.

3. That is not what it is about. It is about whether there should be police reform or not. Trump and Republicans are on the wrong side of this.

The only person who can keep a virus from spreading is the inventor of the vaccine doofus

 

[jbrownson0831]

LOL!! Another attempt to rewrite 2016...here it is again in case you forgot:

Everything in the OP is correct. But it was barely 77,000 votes across three states. None of which he is leading in right now. He's also down in Florida, North Carolina, and Arizona and running just about even in Texas and Ohio.
He has a record to run on this year. He's not the outsider. All people are seeing right now is 160K dead (and climbing), 12% unemployment, and a guy who doesn't seem like he can stay focused long enough to finish a sentence.
This ain't 2016.

1. The entire point of the 2016 video is that early polls are wrong, and the 95% negative MSM is wrong. The blue archipelago, or democrat plantations can be very blue, but that does not account for the solid red areas. Polls won't matter until after the debates. I also know union folks who will swear they will vote for Biden when polled, but like in 2016, they will vote for Trump.
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2. If the democrats are trying to blame Trump for the covid pandemic, voters are not stupid. Good luck with Biden after the debates.

3. In November you can either vote with the police, or vote with the criminals.

1) Again, this isn't 2016. The incumbent has a record. And you can post brightly colored maps with a lot open space in this country that is considered red all that you want. States like Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Utah are sparsely populated. We already know these states are going to vote red. As you right wingers so rightly point out, the state's electoral votes are what count. And right now, he's behind in all the states he carried in 2016..and running even to behind in three others he won by a significant margin. And I wouldn't hope too greatly for those debates. The second Trump has to explain policy and can't resort to his bullying tactics or blustering, he's toast.

President Trump Job Approval | Election Other | RealClearPolitics

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval

www.realclearpolitics.com

2) Voters already blame Trump for the response to COVID-19. Despite lists of "accomplishments" I've seen you post here and those on his campaign's website, nothing he did actually contributed to slowing or preventing the spread of the virus until the adults were forced to sideline him on March 13th.

3) On November 3rd, you'll be voting either for a return to sanity and policy making or continued incompetence and corruption. Not much of a choice there. Biden with all his gaffes and with all the shit right wing media is throwing against the wall in vain hope of salvaging Trump's re-election, Biden is a better choice. Hands down.

46 swing electoral votes that went to Trump over Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. None of which he's leading in right now.
But yeah, Trump crushed em!

You understand that the polls in 2016 showed him losing all those states, too. Trump may win or he may lose; it ain't over 'till it's over.

Pssst. This is 2020. 160K dead. 12% unemployment. He has a record. Back then, he didn't.

Pssst...Killer Cuomo and his band of ilk knocked off 90,000 in just 6 sanctuary states wacko....the hoax has caused unemployment plus you idiots pay them more to stay home. People with brainss realize this and will vote accordingly