The national polls got it right in 2016

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Trump's followers would have us believe that Trump defied all the national polls and won the election. They could not be more wrong.

In the first place, the national polls gauge the popular vote, not the Electoral College.

In the second place, Trump lost the popular vote by three million. Trump won in the Electoral College because voters in small states (in terms of population) have a larger say in the Presidential election than the voters in large states.

American University Professor Allan Lichtman who became famous for accurately predicting the winner of every Presidential election since 1984 -- including 2016 -- has issued his verdict for 2020: Joe Biden will defeat President Trump.

But the historian got it wrong. The Times writes, "Right now, polls say Joe Biden has a healthy lead over President Trump. But we’ve been here before (cue 2016), and the polls were, frankly, wrong."

No, they were not!

National polls only measure the popular vote. Clinton did, in fact, win the national popular vote by 2.1 points. The average of the 13 final national polls had Clinton ahead by 3.1 points, which was only a point off the actual result.
One last look: 2016 polls actually got a lot right | TheHill

The election was won by less than 80,000 votes. Axios reports that Trump won Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin by 0.2, 0.7 and 0.8 percentage points, respectively — and by 10,704, 46,765 and 22,177 votes. Those three wins gave him 46 electoral votes; if Clinton had done one point better in each state, she'd have won the electoral vote, too."

Nearly everyone today has forgotten the effect James Comey had on the election. Eleven days before Election Day, FBI Director Comey reopened the FBI investigation of Hillary Clinton. Clinton had a substantial lead in the polls, but in the week that followed Comey's announcement her lead quickly evaporated. Two days before the election, Comey issued a "sorry about that" and closed the investigation for lack of anything new.

The Hill reports, "Exit polling found that late-deciders in Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin broke for Trump by double-digit margins as high as 29 points."

During the election campaign, every voter in the country knew that the FBI was investigating Clinton. The FBI was also investigating the Trump campaign for its alleged cooperation with Russia. Voters were not aware of that investigation until after the election.
 

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Trump's followers would have us believe that Trump defied all the national polls and won the election. They could not be more wrong.

In the first place, the national polls gauge the popular vote, not the Electoral College.

In the second place, Trump lost the popular vote by three million. Trump won in the Electoral College because voters in small states (in terms of population) have a larger say in the Presidential election than the voters in large states.

American University Professor Allan Lichtman who became famous for accurately predicting the winner of every Presidential election since 1984 -- including 2016 -- has issued his verdict for 2020: Joe Biden will defeat President Trump.

But the historian got it wrong. The Times writes, "Right now, polls say Joe Biden has a healthy lead over President Trump. But we’ve been here before (cue 2016), and the polls were, frankly, wrong."

No, they were not!

National polls only measure the popular vote. Clinton did, in fact, win the national popular vote by 2.1 points. The average of the 13 final national polls had Clinton ahead by 3.1 points, which was only a point off the actual result.
One last look: 2016 polls actually got a lot right | TheHill

The election was won by less than 80,000 votes. Axios reports that Trump won Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin by 0.2, 0.7 and 0.8 percentage points, respectively — and by 10,704, 46,765 and 22,177 votes. Those three wins gave him 46 electoral votes; if Clinton had done one point better in each state, she'd have won the electoral vote, too."

Nearly everyone today has forgotten the effect James Comey had on the election. Eleven days before Election Day, FBI Director Comey reopened the FBI investigation of Hillary Clinton. Clinton had a substantial lead in the polls, but in the week that followed Comey's announcement her lead quickly evaporated. Two days before the election, Comey issued a "sorry about that" and closed the investigation for lack of anything new.

The Hill reports, "Exit polling found that late-deciders in Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin broke for Trump by double-digit margins as high as 29 points."

During the election campaign, every voter in the country knew that the FBI was investigating Clinton. The FBI was also investigating the Trump campaign for its alleged cooperation with Russia. Voters were not aware of that investigation until after the election.

Yep, the same FBI that Trump says is against him in the "witch hunt" was the same FBI that took to the podium to announce on live TV the results of the Clinton/email conclusion and did not mention that Trump's campaign was being investigated.
 

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LOL!! Another attempt to rewrite 2016...here it is again in case you forgot:
Everything in the OP is correct. But it was barely 77,000 votes across three states. None of which he is leading in right now. He's also down in Florida, North Carolina, and Arizona and running just about even in Texas and Ohio.
He has a record to run on this year. He's not the outsider. All people are seeing right now is 160K dead (and climbing), 12% unemployment, and a guy who doesn't seem like he can stay focused long enough to finish a sentence.
This ain't 2016. :)
 

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LOL!! Another attempt to rewrite 2016...here it is again in case you forgot:
Everything in the OP is correct. But it was barely 77,000 votes across three states. None of which he is leading in right now. He's also down in Florida, North Carolina, and Arizona and running just about even in Texas and Ohio.
He has a record to run on this year. He's not the outsider. All people are seeing right now is 160K dead (and climbing), 12% unemployment, and a guy who doesn't seem like he can stay focused long enough to finish a sentence.
This ain't 2016. :)
Yeah but anyone with a brain knows it was Killer Cuomo and his band of Dem governors in sanctuary states leading that death total with around 90 plus thousand of our total in six states....they blew it not the President libber. And we will be out to vote for him without having taken any doofus polls
 

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LOL!! Another attempt to rewrite 2016...here it is again in case you forgot:

Yes, we know stupid rednecks in South Carolina voted for Trump, because they loved his racist dog whistles and hate Hispanics as much as Trump does.
Fine people.

Here's one of SC's finest who voted for Trump and swallowed the whole Hillary-child-trafficking-pizza parlor "Pizzagate" conspiracy that Trump had QAnon spread.
We know how that turned out.

YOUR AVERAGE IGNORANT ARROGANT SOUTH CAROLINA TRUMP SUPPORTER
NOW IN PRISON FOR 4 YEARS
YOU GO, TRUMPTARDS!


 

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LOL!! Another attempt to rewrite 2016...here it is again in case you forgot:
Everything in the OP is correct. But it was barely 77,000 votes across three states. None of which he is leading in right now. He's also down in Florida, North Carolina, and Arizona and running just about even in Texas and Ohio.
He has a record to run on this year. He's not the outsider. All people are seeing right now is 160K dead (and climbing), 12% unemployment, and a guy who doesn't seem like he can stay focused long enough to finish a sentence.
This ain't 2016. :)
Yeah but anyone with a brain knows it was Killer Cuomo and his band of Dem governors in sanctuary states leading that death total with around 90 plus thousand of our total in six states....they blew it not the President libber. And we will be out to vote for him without having taken any doofus polls
Go for it. He will always have his loyal base of 32-35% (depending on who's poll you believe). But the independents and even some conservative Republicans are long gone. And the people who stayed on the sidelines in 2016 will be out on November 3rd to make sure this chucklehead and his merry band of sycophants get shown the door. Hopefully, they'll take a lot of Republicans with them.
There just aren't enough of you true believers to get him over the hump this time.
 

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LOL!! Another attempt to rewrite 2016...here it is again in case you forgot:
Everything in the OP is correct. But it was barely 77,000 votes across three states. None of which he is leading in right now. He's also down in Florida, North Carolina, and Arizona and running just about even in Texas and Ohio.
He has a record to run on this year. He's not the outsider. All people are seeing right now is 160K dead (and climbing), 12% unemployment, and a guy who doesn't seem like he can stay focused long enough to finish a sentence.
This ain't 2016. :)
Lib please outside of California Trump crushed you by over 1 million votes in the other 49 states you got your ass handed to you. Dems were walking funny for months after. There was a run on painkillers and anti-depression meds. It's as if God punished the Democrats :eusa_dance:
 

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LOL!! Another attempt to rewrite 2016...here it is again in case you forgot:
Everything in the OP is correct. But it was barely 77,000 votes across three states. None of which he is leading in right now. He's also down in Florida, North Carolina, and Arizona and running just about even in Texas and Ohio.
He has a record to run on this year. He's not the outsider. All people are seeing right now is 160K dead (and climbing), 12% unemployment, and a guy who doesn't seem like he can stay focused long enough to finish a sentence.
This ain't 2016. :)
Yeah but anyone with a brain knows it was Killer Cuomo and his band of Dem governors in sanctuary states leading that death total with around 90 plus thousand of our total in six states....they blew it not the President libber. And we will be out to vote for him without having taken any doofus polls
Go for it. He will always have his loyal base of 32-35% (depending on who's poll you believe). But the independents and even some conservative Republicans are long gone. And the people who stayed on the sidelines in 2016 will be out on November 3rd to make sure this chucklehead and his merry band of sycophants get shown the door. Hopefully, they'll take a lot of Republicans with them.
There just aren't enough of you true believers to get him over the hump this time.
Right, so the dregs can stay at home when Sleepy Joe officially ships his jobs back overseas, the illegals can stream in and take our benefits, the police forces will be disbanded, the inner cities will continue their rampant crime....but the one good thing is the virus hoax will disappear right libber??
 

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LOL!! Another attempt to rewrite 2016...here it is again in case you forgot:

Yes, we know stupid rednecks in South Carolina voted for Trump, because they loved his racist dog whistles and hate Hispanics as much as Trump does.
Fine people.

Here's one of SC's finest who voted for Trump and swallowed the whole Hillary-child-trafficking-pizza parlor "Pizzagate" conspiracy that Trump had QAnon spread.
We know how that turned out.

YOUR AVERAGE IGNORANT ARROGANT SOUTH CAROLINA TRUMP SUPPORTER
NOW IN PRISON FOR 4 YEARS
YOU GO, TRUMPTARDS!


 

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LOL!! Another attempt to rewrite 2016...here it is again in case you forgot:
Everything in the OP is correct. But it was barely 77,000 votes across three states. None of which he is leading in right now. He's also down in Florida, North Carolina, and Arizona and running just about even in Texas and Ohio.
He has a record to run on this year. He's not the outsider. All people are seeing right now is 160K dead (and climbing), 12% unemployment, and a guy who doesn't seem like he can stay focused long enough to finish a sentence.
This ain't 2016. :)
Lib please outside of California Trump crushed you by over 1 million votes in the other 49 states you got your ass handed to you. Dems were walking funny for months after. There was a run on painkillers and anti-depression meds. It's as if God punished the Democrats :eusa_dance:
The communist democrats still have the illegals voting in California.
 

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LOL!! Another attempt to rewrite 2016...here it is again in case you forgot:
Everything in the OP is correct. But it was barely 77,000 votes across three states. None of which he is leading in right now. He's also down in Florida, North Carolina, and Arizona and running just about even in Texas and Ohio.
He has a record to run on this year. He's not the outsider. All people are seeing right now is 160K dead (and climbing), 12% unemployment, and a guy who doesn't seem like he can stay focused long enough to finish a sentence.
This ain't 2016. :)
Lib please outside of California Trump crushed you by over 1 million votes in the other 49 states you got your ass handed to you. Dems were walking funny for months after. There was a run on painkillers and anti-depression meds. It's as if God punished the Democrats :eusa_dance:
46 swing electoral votes that went to Trump over Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. None of which he's leading in right now.
But yeah, Trump crushed em! :)
 

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Trump's followers would have us believe that Trump defied all the national polls and won the election. They could not be more wrong.

In the first place, the national polls gauge the popular vote, not the Electoral College.

In the second place, Trump lost the popular vote by three million. Trump won in the Electoral College because voters in small states (in terms of population) have a larger say in the Presidential election than the voters in large states.

American University Professor Allan Lichtman who became famous for accurately predicting the winner of every Presidential election since 1984 -- including 2016 -- has issued his verdict for 2020: Joe Biden will defeat President Trump.

But the historian got it wrong. The Times writes, "Right now, polls say Joe Biden has a healthy lead over President Trump. But we’ve been here before (cue 2016), and the polls were, frankly, wrong."

No, they were not!

National polls only measure the popular vote. Clinton did, in fact, win the national popular vote by 2.1 points. The average of the 13 final national polls had Clinton ahead by 3.1 points, which was only a point off the actual result.
One last look: 2016 polls actually got a lot right | TheHill

The election was won by less than 80,000 votes. Axios reports that Trump won Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin by 0.2, 0.7 and 0.8 percentage points, respectively — and by 10,704, 46,765 and 22,177 votes. Those three wins gave him 46 electoral votes; if Clinton had done one point better in each state, she'd have won the electoral vote, too."

Nearly everyone today has forgotten the effect James Comey had on the election. Eleven days before Election Day, FBI Director Comey reopened the FBI investigation of Hillary Clinton. Clinton had a substantial lead in the polls, but in the week that followed Comey's announcement her lead quickly evaporated. Two days before the election, Comey issued a "sorry about that" and closed the investigation for lack of anything new.

The Hill reports, "Exit polling found that late-deciders in Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin broke for Trump by double-digit margins as high as 29 points."

During the election campaign, every voter in the country knew that the FBI was investigating Clinton. The FBI was also investigating the Trump campaign for its alleged cooperation with Russia. Voters were not aware of that investigation until after the election.
In the first place, the national polls gauge the popular vote, not the Electoral College.

There were no polls in 2016 that gauged the Electoral College?

The election was won by less than 80,000 votes.


The election was won....304-221
 

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LOL!! Another attempt to rewrite 2016...here it is again in case you forgot:
Everything in the OP is correct. But it was barely 77,000 votes across three states. None of which he is leading in right now. He's also down in Florida, North Carolina, and Arizona and running just about even in Texas and Ohio.
He has a record to run on this year. He's not the outsider. All people are seeing right now is 160K dead (and climbing), 12% unemployment, and a guy who doesn't seem like he can stay focused long enough to finish a sentence.
This ain't 2016. :)
Lib please outside of California Trump crushed you by over 1 million votes in the other 49 states you got your ass handed to you. Dems were walking funny for months after. There was a run on painkillers and anti-depression meds. It's as if God punished the Democrats :eusa_dance:
46 swing electoral votes that went to Trump over Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. None of which he's leading in right now.
But yeah, Trump crushed em! :)
Oooh you have been stroking your poll again.....better watch out
 

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LOL!! Another attempt to rewrite 2016...here it is again in case you forgot:
Everything in the OP is correct. But it was barely 77,000 votes across three states. None of which he is leading in right now. He's also down in Florida, North Carolina, and Arizona and running just about even in Texas and Ohio.
He has a record to run on this year. He's not the outsider. All people are seeing right now is 160K dead (and climbing), 12% unemployment, and a guy who doesn't seem like he can stay focused long enough to finish a sentence.
This ain't 2016. :)
Lib please outside of California Trump crushed you by over 1 million votes in the other 49 states you got your ass handed to you. Dems were walking funny for months after. There was a run on painkillers and anti-depression meds. It's as if God punished the Democrats :eusa_dance:
46 swing electoral votes that went to Trump over Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. None of which he's leading in right now.
But yeah, Trump crushed em! :)
46 swing electoral votes that went to Trump over Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. None of which he's leading in right now.

What did the polls say in those 3 states in August 2016?
 

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LOL!! Another attempt to rewrite 2016...here it is again in case you forgot:
Everything in the OP is correct. But it was barely 77,000 votes across three states. None of which he is leading in right now. He's also down in Florida, North Carolina, and Arizona and running just about even in Texas and Ohio.
He has a record to run on this year. He's not the outsider. All people are seeing right now is 160K dead (and climbing), 12% unemployment, and a guy who doesn't seem like he can stay focused long enough to finish a sentence.
This ain't 2016. :)
Yeah but anyone with a brain knows it was Killer Cuomo and his band of Dem governors in sanctuary states leading that death total with around 90 plus thousand of our total in six states....they blew it not the President libber. And we will be out to vote for him without having taken any doofus polls
Go for it. He will always have his loyal base of 32-35% (depending on who's poll you believe). But the independents and even some conservative Republicans are long gone. And the people who stayed on the sidelines in 2016 will be out on November 3rd to make sure this chucklehead and his merry band of sycophants get shown the door. Hopefully, they'll take a lot of Republicans with them.
There just aren't enough of you true believers to get him over the hump this time.
Right, so the dregs can stay at home when Sleepy Joe officially ships his jobs back overseas, the illegals can stream in and take our benefits, the police forces will be disbanded, the inner cities will continue their rampant crime....but the one good thing is the virus hoax will disappear right libber??
No. If Biden wins I expect that will be one of the first things he'll have to deal with. I hold no faith that stumpy is going to wake up and smell the coffee.
The virus isn't something you can just declare an end to. This isn't "Mission Accomplished".

As for the rest of your diatribe, I'd recommend to put the bottle down.
 

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Trump's followers would have us believe that Trump defied all the national polls and won the election. They could not be more wrong.

In the first place, the national polls gauge the popular vote, not the Electoral College.

In the second place, Trump lost the popular vote by three million. Trump won in the Electoral College because voters in small states (in terms of population) have a larger say in the Presidential election than the voters in large states.

American University Professor Allan Lichtman who became famous for accurately predicting the winner of every Presidential election since 1984 -- including 2016 -- has issued his verdict for 2020: Joe Biden will defeat President Trump.

But the historian got it wrong. The Times writes, "Right now, polls say Joe Biden has a healthy lead over President Trump. But we’ve been here before (cue 2016), and the polls were, frankly, wrong."

No, they were not!

National polls only measure the popular vote. Clinton did, in fact, win the national popular vote by 2.1 points. The average of the 13 final national polls had Clinton ahead by 3.1 points, which was only a point off the actual result.
One last look: 2016 polls actually got a lot right | TheHill

The election was won by less than 80,000 votes. Axios reports that Trump won Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin by 0.2, 0.7 and 0.8 percentage points, respectively — and by 10,704, 46,765 and 22,177 votes. Those three wins gave him 46 electoral votes; if Clinton had done one point better in each state, she'd have won the electoral vote, too."

Nearly everyone today has forgotten the effect James Comey had on the election. Eleven days before Election Day, FBI Director Comey reopened the FBI investigation of Hillary Clinton. Clinton had a substantial lead in the polls, but in the week that followed Comey's announcement her lead quickly evaporated. Two days before the election, Comey issued a "sorry about that" and closed the investigation for lack of anything new.

The Hill reports, "Exit polling found that late-deciders in Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin broke for Trump by double-digit margins as high as 29 points."

During the election campaign, every voter in the country knew that the FBI was investigating Clinton. The FBI was also investigating the Trump campaign for its alleged cooperation with Russia. Voters were not aware of that investigation until after the election.
In the first place, the national polls gauge the popular vote, not the Electoral College.

There were no polls in 2016 that gauged the Electoral College?

The election was won by less than 80,000 votes.

The election was won....304-221
And the counties count was an even bigger blowout.....but the libber goofs dream on
 

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LOL!! Another attempt to rewrite 2016...here it is again in case you forgot:
Everything in the OP is correct. But it was barely 77,000 votes across three states. None of which he is leading in right now. He's also down in Florida, North Carolina, and Arizona and running just about even in Texas and Ohio.
He has a record to run on this year. He's not the outsider. All people are seeing right now is 160K dead (and climbing), 12% unemployment, and a guy who doesn't seem like he can stay focused long enough to finish a sentence.
This ain't 2016. :)
Yeah but anyone with a brain knows it was Killer Cuomo and his band of Dem governors in sanctuary states leading that death total with around 90 plus thousand of our total in six states....they blew it not the President libber. And we will be out to vote for him without having taken any doofus polls
Go for it. He will always have his loyal base of 32-35% (depending on who's poll you believe). But the independents and even some conservative Republicans are long gone. And the people who stayed on the sidelines in 2016 will be out on November 3rd to make sure this chucklehead and his merry band of sycophants get shown the door. Hopefully, they'll take a lot of Republicans with them.
There just aren't enough of you true believers to get him over the hump this time.
Right, so the dregs can stay at home when Sleepy Joe officially ships his jobs back overseas, the illegals can stream in and take our benefits, the police forces will be disbanded, the inner cities will continue their rampant crime....but the one good thing is the virus hoax will disappear right libber??
No. If Biden wins I expect that will be one of the first things he'll have to deal with. I hold no faith that stumpy is going to wake up and smell the coffee.
The virus isn't something you can just declare an end to. This isn't "Mission Accomplished".

As for the rest of your diatribe, I'd recommend to put the bottle down.
The virus hoax will be over if Biden wins since its effect will have been to succeed where Mueller and impeachment failed. Come on, you ubersmart libbers know that now......
 

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Actually the so-called "national polls" predicted the electoral votes rather than the popular vote. If it wasn't for New York or California Hillary wouldn't have come close in the popular vote. You almost gotta laugh that lefties really think Hillary was popular when it was only in NY and Ca.
 

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