The national polls got it right in 2016

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LOL!! Another attempt to rewrite 2016...here it is again in case you forgot:
Everything in the OP is correct. But it was barely 77,000 votes across three states. None of which he is leading in right now. He's also down in Florida, North Carolina, and Arizona and running just about even in Texas and Ohio.
He has a record to run on this year. He's not the outsider. All people are seeing right now is 160K dead (and climbing), 12% unemployment, and a guy who doesn't seem like he can stay focused long enough to finish a sentence.
This ain't 2016. :)
1. The entire point of the 2016 video is that early polls are wrong, and the 95% negative MSM is wrong. The blue archipelago, or democrat plantations can be very blue, but that does not account for the solid red areas. Polls won't matter until after the debates. I also know union folks who will swear they will vote for Biden when polled, but like in 2016, they will vote for Trump.
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2. If the democrats are trying to blame Trump for the covid pandemic, voters are not stupid. Good luck with Biden after the debates.

3. In November you can either vote with the police, or vote with the criminals.
1) Again, this isn't 2016. The incumbent has a record. And you can post brightly colored maps with a lot open space in this country that is considered red all that you want. States like Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Utah are sparsely populated. We already know these states are going to vote red. As you right wingers so rightly point out, the state's electoral votes are what count. And right now, he's behind in all the states he carried in 2016..and running even to behind in three others he won by a significant margin. And I wouldn't hope too greatly for those debates. The second Trump has to explain policy and can't resort to his bullying tactics or blustering, he's toast.

2) Voters already blame Trump for the response to COVID-19. Despite lists of "accomplishments" I've seen you post here and those on his campaign's website, nothing he did actually contributed to slowing or preventing the spread of the virus until the adults were forced to sideline Because he said so. :)

3) On November 3rd, you'll be voting either for a return to sanity and policy making or continued incompetence and corruption. Not much of a choice there. Biden with all his gaffes and with all the shit right wing media is throwing against the wall in vain hope of salvaging Trump's re-election, is a better choice. Hands down.
1. You seem so optimistic, I don't want to spoil your election hopes. I hope you watched the video I posted about 2016, its eerily like the "Trump can't win" MSM drumbeat now. The dems have a "blue wall" that Trump can't get over, Trump has no path to 270 electoral votes, etc. IMHO 2020 will be like this <again>
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2. Which voters blame Trump for the pandemic response? Not the Trump voters. We (and more than a few democrat governors) think Trump did just fine thank you.

3. Before November 3rd happens there will be 3-debates between Biden and Trump. Topics Biden will need to answer are:
How does Hunter Biden deserve the $83,000 a month job with Burisma? How did Hunter get a cool $1,500,000,000 from China to "invest"? We saw the video of you threatening to withhold a $billion from the Ukraine if the prosecutor investigating Burisma isn't fired, that is corruption in plain sight. Explain Bernie's socialist policies you adopted. Explain Trump's "populist" economic policies you adopted. Explain your position on: defund the police, free college, free healthcare (Medicare for all), the green new deal, closing all pipelines, open borders, reparations, antifa, etc. I think the election will be over after the 1st debate.
Yep, I know. Hope springs eternal in Trumpland. But hey, maybe that vaccine will be out by November 3rd. Oh yeah, and no one except you right wingers cares about Hunter Biden. I mean, literally, no one.
The rest?...Biden is a centrist. While he will certainly need to make concessions to bring the Bernie Bros on board, my guess is they'll want to vote the current hot mess out no matter what. They won't be staying home this year. Sorry. And the plethora of stuff to hit Trump with in a debate? A ill advised tax cut, a couple of bloated budgets, more "acting" heads of departments than just about any other administration, constant staff turnover, firing Comey, Charlottesville, Ukraine, impeachment, a blown response to the pandemic, and lookey!...The New York prosecutors investigating his financial dealings...so much to choose from and I haven't even listed them all. You're right, it won't take much for Biden to bury Trump in the first debate.
Keep yakking goofus.....nobody will vote for Biden especially given that he plans to turn it all over to some fat black chick who spits through her teeth
 

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LOL!! Another attempt to rewrite 2016...here it is again in case you forgot:
Everything in the OP is correct. But it was barely 77,000 votes across three states. None of which he is leading in right now. He's also down in Florida, North Carolina, and Arizona and running just about even in Texas and Ohio.
He has a record to run on this year. He's not the outsider. All people are seeing right now is 160K dead (and climbing), 12% unemployment, and a guy who doesn't seem like he can stay focused long enough to finish a sentence.
This ain't 2016. :)
1. The entire point of the 2016 video is that early polls are wrong, and the 95% negative MSM is wrong. The blue archipelago, or democrat plantations can be very blue, but that does not account for the solid red areas. Polls won't matter until after the debates. I also know union folks who will swear they will vote for Biden when polled, but like in 2016, they will vote for Trump.
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2. If the democrats are trying to blame Trump for the covid pandemic, voters are not stupid. Good luck with Biden after the debates.

3. In November you can either vote with the police, or vote with the criminals.
1) Again, this isn't 2016. The incumbent has a record. And you can post brightly colored maps with a lot open space in this country that is considered red all that you want. States like Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Utah are sparsely populated. We already know these states are going to vote red. As you right wingers so rightly point out, the state's electoral votes are what count. And right now, he's behind in all the states he carried in 2016..and running even to behind in three others he won by a significant margin. And I wouldn't hope too greatly for those debates. The second Trump has to explain policy and can't resort to his bullying tactics or blustering, he's toast.

2) Voters already blame Trump for the response to COVID-19. Despite lists of "accomplishments" I've seen you post here and those on his campaign's website, nothing he did actually contributed to slowing or preventing the spread of the virus until the adults were forced to sideline Because he said so. :)

3) On November 3rd, you'll be voting either for a return to sanity and policy making or continued incompetence and corruption. Not much of a choice there. Biden with all his gaffes and with all the shit right wing media is throwing against the wall in vain hope of salvaging Trump's re-election, is a better choice. Hands down.
1. You seem so optimistic, I don't want to spoil your election hopes. I hope you watched the video I posted about 2016, its eerily like the "Trump can't win" MSM drumbeat now. The dems have a "blue wall" that Trump can't get over, Trump has no path to 270 electoral votes, etc. IMHO 2020 will be like this <again>
View attachment 371986

2. Which voters blame Trump for the pandemic response? Not the Trump voters. We (and more than a few democrat governors) think Trump did just fine thank you.

3. Before November 3rd happens there will be 3-debates between Biden and Trump. Topics Biden will need to answer are:
How does Hunter Biden deserve the $83,000 a month job with Burisma? How did Hunter get a cool $1,500,000,000 from China to "invest"? We saw the video of you threatening to withhold a $billion from the Ukraine if the prosecutor investigating Burisma isn't fired, that is corruption in plain sight. Explain Bernie's socialist policies you adopted. Explain Trump's "populist" economic policies you adopted. Explain your position on: defund the police, free college, free healthcare (Medicare for all), the green new deal, closing all pipelines, open borders, reparations, antifa, etc. I think the election will be over after the 1st debate.
Yep, I know. Hope springs eternal in Trumpland. But hey, maybe that vaccine will be out by November 3rd. Oh yeah, and no one except you right wingers cares about Hunter Biden. I mean, literally, no one.
The rest?...Biden is a centrist. While he will certainly need to make concessions to bring the Bernie Bros on board, my guess is they'll want to vote the current hot mess out no matter what. They won't be staying home this year. Sorry. And the plethora of stuff to hit Trump with in a debate? A ill advised tax cut, a couple of bloated budgets, more "acting" heads of departments than just about any other administration, constant staff turnover, firing Comey, Charlottesville, Ukraine, impeachment, a blown response to the pandemic, and lookey!...The New York prosecutors investigating his financial dealings...so much to choose from and I haven't even listed them all. You're right, it won't take much for Biden to bury Trump in the first debate.
You have a lot to unpack there! So lets go thru them one by one:
1. The vaccine and therapies will be out, not sure when. Trump doesn't need them to win, he has Biden.
2. Hunter Biden is evidence of corruption, Joe can't tap dance around it
3. Biden needs to run as a socialist to keep the Bernie and AOC wing attached
4. Trump's tax cut:

5. Bloated Budgets? thank Nancy and the House democrats
6. Acting heads? Is that bad? C'mon man. You a junkie?
7. Firing Comey was a good thing, he falsified FISA warrants. Comey is toast when Barr & Durham issue indictments
8. Charlottesville. Was about removing statues or not.
9. Ukraine. Burisma and Hunter's $83,000 a month
10. Impeachment. for a non-crime, a partisan sham
11. The pandemic. China's COVID-19 virus. Trump did just fine, ask the democrat governors
12. NY prosecutors? Oh boy you really got him now. <not>
13. Biden in the debates? I can't wait. Only (55) more days to the first debate.

Trump's 1st term was a miracle in itself, the biggest upset in US election history. Hillary and the DNC actually colluded with and paid Russians for "dirt" on Trump, the "Steele Dossier". Obama used the power of the DOJ, FBI, CIA and other Federal agencies to illegally spy on and setup Trump for failure. Operations Crossfire Hurricane and Razor, the Mueller Investigation, Russian Collusion Hoax, the MSM's constant 95% negative coverage and "fake news", Never-Trump Republicans, the Lincoln Project, globalists of every stripe, the entrenched Deep State who all oppose Trump's policies, the planted leakers and whistle-blowers, and the RINOs who'd rather shill for K-Street than work for main street. Then add to all of that the outright hatred shown by the House democrats toward Trump, to the point of "non-crime" Impeachment Articles.

Trump is battle tested, taking press conferences and interviews every day, Biden is hiding in his basement.
OMG. A true believer. Man, it's just completely discouraging to see something like this happen to a bloc of voters. Battle tested?...Press conferences?..Interviews?...if you mean barely coherent ramblings sure. You gonna visit Yose-Mite anytime soon? Or maybe Thigh-Land? :) It does make for good laughs, I'll give you that. Those that talk about Biden have no legs to stand on here.

I really wish people would stop linking the Bloomberg article. It just confirms what was written by Forbes six months prior. The 2017 tax cut allowed companies to repatriate cash. Mostly to buy back stock. That money, never made it to the average worker in the form of raises or more jobs. It was successful in the fact that it did exactly what McConnell and Ryan wanted it to do. Be a big, fat gift to corporations and wealthy donors.

As for the rest? Here's your bottom line. Donald Trump makes his own problems. He always has. The only reason he gets away with things is because we've thrown all sense of norms out the window. And his Republican enablers. I have no doubt that Barr and Durham will try to spring whatever manufactured evidence they gather as an October surprise, but in the end, no one except right wingers will care about Hunter Biden. And as far as I can see, he isn't running for President.

Trump has a record. And he'll have to defend it. I too am looking forward to the debates.
This isn't 2016.
1. OK, so we'll see who has more "barely coherent ramblings" at the debates.
2. Agree the tax cut didn't work. The 5% GDP growth assumption was total bullshit. I also notice that Nancy and the democrats didn't do anything to raise taxes back, or fix SS and Medicare. So they must like where the taxes are?
3. Those of you with TDS will always whine no matter what Trump does. I recall the rollout of Obamacare and it was a total train-wreck. The web site was a disaster, did you guys blame Obama? No, you circled the wagons and threw more money at it. So your constant criticism of Trump is just partisan "spin-whining" (new term, just invented it!).
 

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LOL!! Another attempt to rewrite 2016...here it is again in case you forgot:
Everything in the OP is correct. But it was barely 77,000 votes across three states. None of which he is leading in right now. He's also down in Florida, North Carolina, and Arizona and running just about even in Texas and Ohio.
He has a record to run on this year. He's not the outsider. All people are seeing right now is 160K dead (and climbing), 12% unemployment, and a guy who doesn't seem like he can stay focused long enough to finish a sentence.
This ain't 2016. :)
1. The entire point of the 2016 video is that early polls are wrong, and the 95% negative MSM is wrong. The blue archipelago, or democrat plantations can be very blue, but that does not account for the solid red areas. Polls won't matter until after the debates. I also know union folks who will swear they will vote for Biden when polled, but like in 2016, they will vote for Trump.
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2. If the democrats are trying to blame Trump for the covid pandemic, voters are not stupid. Good luck with Biden after the debates.

3. In November you can either vote with the police, or vote with the criminals.
1) Again, this isn't 2016. The incumbent has a record. And you can post brightly colored maps with a lot open space in this country that is considered red all that you want. States like Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Utah are sparsely populated. We already know these states are going to vote red. As you right wingers so rightly point out, the state's electoral votes are what count. And right now, he's behind in all the states he carried in 2016..and running even to behind in three others he won by a significant margin. And I wouldn't hope too greatly for those debates. The second Trump has to explain policy and can't resort to his bullying tactics or blustering, he's toast.

2) Voters already blame Trump for the response to COVID-19. Despite lists of "accomplishments" I've seen you post here and those on his campaign's website, nothing he did actually contributed to slowing or preventing the spread of the virus until the adults were forced to sideline Because he said so. :)

3) On November 3rd, you'll be voting either for a return to sanity and policy making or continued incompetence and corruption. Not much of a choice there. Biden with all his gaffes and with all the shit right wing media is throwing against the wall in vain hope of salvaging Trump's re-election, is a better choice. Hands down.
1. You seem so optimistic, I don't want to spoil your election hopes. I hope you watched the video I posted about 2016, its eerily like the "Trump can't win" MSM drumbeat now. The dems have a "blue wall" that Trump can't get over, Trump has no path to 270 electoral votes, etc. IMHO 2020 will be like this <again>
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2. Which voters blame Trump for the pandemic response? Not the Trump voters. We (and more than a few democrat governors) think Trump did just fine thank you.

3. Before November 3rd happens there will be 3-debates between Biden and Trump. Topics Biden will need to answer are:
How does Hunter Biden deserve the $83,000 a month job with Burisma? How did Hunter get a cool $1,500,000,000 from China to "invest"? We saw the video of you threatening to withhold a $billion from the Ukraine if the prosecutor investigating Burisma isn't fired, that is corruption in plain sight. Explain Bernie's socialist policies you adopted. Explain Trump's "populist" economic policies you adopted. Explain your position on: defund the police, free college, free healthcare (Medicare for all), the green new deal, closing all pipelines, open borders, reparations, antifa, etc. I think the election will be over after the 1st debate.
Yep, I know. Hope springs eternal in Trumpland. But hey, maybe that vaccine will be out by November 3rd. Oh yeah, and no one except you right wingers cares about Hunter Biden. I mean, literally, no one.
The rest?...Biden is a centrist. While he will certainly need to make concessions to bring the Bernie Bros on board, my guess is they'll want to vote the current hot mess out no matter what. They won't be staying home this year. Sorry. And the plethora of stuff to hit Trump with in a debate? A ill advised tax cut, a couple of bloated budgets, more "acting" heads of departments than just about any other administration, constant staff turnover, firing Comey, Charlottesville, Ukraine, impeachment, a blown response to the pandemic, and lookey!...The New York prosecutors investigating his financial dealings...so much to choose from and I haven't even listed them all. You're right, it won't take much for Biden to bury Trump in the first debate.
Keep yakking goofus.....nobody will vote for Biden especially given that he plans to turn it all over to some fat black chick who spits through her teeth
The fat black chick is smarter, more qualified, more emotionally and mentally stable, more ethical and honest than Donald Trump has ever been or ever will be. She won't be his choice, however. She lacks experience in foreign relations.
 

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LOL!! Another attempt to rewrite 2016...here it is again in case you forgot:
Everything in the OP is correct. But it was barely 77,000 votes across three states. None of which he is leading in right now. He's also down in Florida, North Carolina, and Arizona and running just about even in Texas and Ohio.
He has a record to run on this year. He's not the outsider. All people are seeing right now is 160K dead (and climbing), 12% unemployment, and a guy who doesn't seem like he can stay focused long enough to finish a sentence.
This ain't 2016. :)
1. The entire point of the 2016 video is that early polls are wrong, and the 95% negative MSM is wrong. The blue archipelago, or democrat plantations can be very blue, but that does not account for the solid red areas. Polls won't matter until after the debates. I also know union folks who will swear they will vote for Biden when polled, but like in 2016, they will vote for Trump.
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2. If the democrats are trying to blame Trump for the covid pandemic, voters are not stupid. Good luck with Biden after the debates.

3. In November you can either vote with the police, or vote with the criminals.
1) Again, this isn't 2016. The incumbent has a record. And you can post brightly colored maps with a lot open space in this country that is considered red all that you want. States like Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Utah are sparsely populated. We already know these states are going to vote red. As you right wingers so rightly point out, the state's electoral votes are what count. And right now, he's behind in all the states he carried in 2016..and running even to behind in three others he won by a significant margin. And I wouldn't hope too greatly for those debates. The second Trump has to explain policy and can't resort to his bullying tactics or blustering, he's toast.

2) Voters already blame Trump for the response to COVID-19. Despite lists of "accomplishments" I've seen you post here and those on his campaign's website, nothing he did actually contributed to slowing or preventing the spread of the virus until the adults were forced to sideline Because he said so. :)

3) On November 3rd, you'll be voting either for a return to sanity and policy making or continued incompetence and corruption. Not much of a choice there. Biden with all his gaffes and with all the shit right wing media is throwing against the wall in vain hope of salvaging Trump's re-election, is a better choice. Hands down.
1. You seem so optimistic, I don't want to spoil your election hopes. I hope you watched the video I posted about 2016, its eerily like the "Trump can't win" MSM drumbeat now. The dems have a "blue wall" that Trump can't get over, Trump has no path to 270 electoral votes, etc. IMHO 2020 will be like this <again>
View attachment 371986

2. Which voters blame Trump for the pandemic response? Not the Trump voters. We (and more than a few democrat governors) think Trump did just fine thank you.

3. Before November 3rd happens there will be 3-debates between Biden and Trump. Topics Biden will need to answer are:
How does Hunter Biden deserve the $83,000 a month job with Burisma? How did Hunter get a cool $1,500,000,000 from China to "invest"? We saw the video of you threatening to withhold a $billion from the Ukraine if the prosecutor investigating Burisma isn't fired, that is corruption in plain sight. Explain Bernie's socialist policies you adopted. Explain Trump's "populist" economic policies you adopted. Explain your position on: defund the police, free college, free healthcare (Medicare for all), the green new deal, closing all pipelines, open borders, reparations, antifa, etc. I think the election will be over after the 1st debate.
Yep, I know. Hope springs eternal in Trumpland. But hey, maybe that vaccine will be out by November 3rd. Oh yeah, and no one except you right wingers cares about Hunter Biden. I mean, literally, no one.
The rest?...Biden is a centrist. While he will certainly need to make concessions to bring the Bernie Bros on board, my guess is they'll want to vote the current hot mess out no matter what. They won't be staying home this year. Sorry. And the plethora of stuff to hit Trump with in a debate? A ill advised tax cut, a couple of bloated budgets, more "acting" heads of departments than just about any other administration, constant staff turnover, firing Comey, Charlottesville, Ukraine, impeachment, a blown response to the pandemic, and lookey!...The New York prosecutors investigating his financial dealings...so much to choose from and I haven't even listed them all. You're right, it won't take much for Biden to bury Trump in the first debate.
Keep yakking goofus.....nobody will vote for Biden especially given that he plans to turn it all over to some fat black chick who spits through her teeth
The fat black chick is smarter, more qualified, more emotionally and mentally stable, more ethical and honest than Donald Trump has ever been or ever will be. She won't be his choice, however. She lacks experience in foreign relations.
Riigght......Biden is a 50 year politician who has never done anything for anyone except himself or his goofy son....none of the idiot choices for VP are close to having any qualifications and they all have no business sense or experience.....sorry libber its another 4 years if your whining
 

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LOL!! Another attempt to rewrite 2016...here it is again in case you forgot:
Everything in the OP is correct. But it was barely 77,000 votes across three states. None of which he is leading in right now. He's also down in Florida, North Carolina, and Arizona and running just about even in Texas and Ohio.
He has a record to run on this year. He's not the outsider. All people are seeing right now is 160K dead (and climbing), 12% unemployment, and a guy who doesn't seem like he can stay focused long enough to finish a sentence.
This ain't 2016. :)
1. The entire point of the 2016 video is that early polls are wrong, and the 95% negative MSM is wrong. The blue archipelago, or democrat plantations can be very blue, but that does not account for the solid red areas. Polls won't matter until after the debates. I also know union folks who will swear they will vote for Biden when polled, but like in 2016, they will vote for Trump.
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2. If the democrats are trying to blame Trump for the covid pandemic, voters are not stupid. Good luck with Biden after the debates.

3. In November you can either vote with the police, or vote with the criminals.
1) Again, this isn't 2016. The incumbent has a record. And you can post brightly colored maps with a lot open space in this country that is considered red all that you want. States like Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Utah are sparsely populated. We already know these states are going to vote red. As you right wingers so rightly point out, the state's electoral votes are what count. And right now, he's behind in all the states he carried in 2016..and running even to behind in three others he won by a significant margin. And I wouldn't hope too greatly for those debates. The second Trump has to explain policy and can't resort to his bullying tactics or blustering, he's toast.

2) Voters already blame Trump for the response to COVID-19. Despite lists of "accomplishments" I've seen you post here and those on his campaign's website, nothing he did actually contributed to slowing or preventing the spread of the virus until the adults were forced to sideline Because he said so. :)

3) On November 3rd, you'll be voting either for a return to sanity and policy making or continued incompetence and corruption. Not much of a choice there. Biden with all his gaffes and with all the shit right wing media is throwing against the wall in vain hope of salvaging Trump's re-election, is a better choice. Hands down.
1. You seem so optimistic, I don't want to spoil your election hopes. I hope you watched the video I posted about 2016, its eerily like the "Trump can't win" MSM drumbeat now. The dems have a "blue wall" that Trump can't get over, Trump has no path to 270 electoral votes, etc. IMHO 2020 will be like this <again>
View attachment 371986

2. Which voters blame Trump for the pandemic response? Not the Trump voters. We (and more than a few democrat governors) think Trump did just fine thank you.

3. Before November 3rd happens there will be 3-debates between Biden and Trump. Topics Biden will need to answer are:
How does Hunter Biden deserve the $83,000 a month job with Burisma? How did Hunter get a cool $1,500,000,000 from China to "invest"? We saw the video of you threatening to withhold a $billion from the Ukraine if the prosecutor investigating Burisma isn't fired, that is corruption in plain sight. Explain Bernie's socialist policies you adopted. Explain Trump's "populist" economic policies you adopted. Explain your position on: defund the police, free college, free healthcare (Medicare for all), the green new deal, closing all pipelines, open borders, reparations, antifa, etc. I think the election will be over after the 1st debate.
Yep, I know. Hope springs eternal in Trumpland. But hey, maybe that vaccine will be out by November 3rd. Oh yeah, and no one except you right wingers cares about Hunter Biden. I mean, literally, no one.
The rest?...Biden is a centrist. While he will certainly need to make concessions to bring the Bernie Bros on board, my guess is they'll want to vote the current hot mess out no matter what. They won't be staying home this year. Sorry. And the plethora of stuff to hit Trump with in a debate? A ill advised tax cut, a couple of bloated budgets, more "acting" heads of departments than just about any other administration, constant staff turnover, firing Comey, Charlottesville, Ukraine, impeachment, a blown response to the pandemic, and lookey!...The New York prosecutors investigating his financial dealings...so much to choose from and I haven't even listed them all. You're right, it won't take much for Biden to bury Trump in the first debate.
You have a lot to unpack there! So lets go thru them one by one:
1. The vaccine and therapies will be out, not sure when. Trump doesn't need them to win, he has Biden.
2. Hunter Biden is evidence of corruption, Joe can't tap dance around it
3. Biden needs to run as a socialist to keep the Bernie and AOC wing attached
4. Trump's tax cut:

5. Bloated Budgets? thank Nancy and the House democrats
6. Acting heads? Is that bad? C'mon man. You a junkie?
7. Firing Comey was a good thing, he falsified FISA warrants. Comey is toast when Barr & Durham issue indictments
8. Charlottesville. Was about removing statues or not.
9. Ukraine. Burisma and Hunter's $83,000 a month
10. Impeachment. for a non-crime, a partisan sham
11. The pandemic. China's COVID-19 virus. Trump did just fine, ask the democrat governors
12. NY prosecutors? Oh boy you really got him now. <not>
13. Biden in the debates? I can't wait. Only (55) more days to the first debate.

Trump's 1st term was a miracle in itself, the biggest upset in US election history. Hillary and the DNC actually colluded with and paid Russians for "dirt" on Trump, the "Steele Dossier". Obama used the power of the DOJ, FBI, CIA and other Federal agencies to illegally spy on and setup Trump for failure. Operations Crossfire Hurricane and Razor, the Mueller Investigation, Russian Collusion Hoax, the MSM's constant 95% negative coverage and "fake news", Never-Trump Republicans, the Lincoln Project, globalists of every stripe, the entrenched Deep State who all oppose Trump's policies, the planted leakers and whistle-blowers, and the RINOs who'd rather shill for K-Street than work for main street. Then add to all of that the outright hatred shown by the House democrats toward Trump, to the point of "non-crime" Impeachment Articles.

Trump is battle tested, taking press conferences and interviews every day, Biden is hiding in his basement.
OMG. A true believer. Man, it's just completely discouraging to see something like this happen to a bloc of voters. Battle tested?...Press conferences?..Interviews?...if you mean barely coherent ramblings sure. You gonna visit Yose-Mite anytime soon? Or maybe Thigh-Land? :) It does make for good laughs, I'll give you that. Those that talk about Biden have no legs to stand on here.

I really wish people would stop linking the Bloomberg article. It just confirms what was written by Forbes six months prior. The 2017 tax cut allowed companies to repatriate cash. Mostly to buy back stock. That money, never made it to the average worker in the form of raises or more jobs. It was successful in the fact that it did exactly what McConnell and Ryan wanted it to do. Be a big, fat gift to corporations and wealthy donors.

As for the rest? Here's your bottom line. Donald Trump makes his own problems. He always has. The only reason he gets away with things is because we've thrown all sense of norms out the window. And his Republican enablers. I have no doubt that Barr and Durham will try to spring whatever manufactured evidence they gather as an October surprise, but in the end, no one except right wingers will care about Hunter Biden. And as far as I can see, he isn't running for President.

Trump has a record. And he'll have to defend it. I too am looking forward to the debates.
This isn't 2016.
manufactered evidence would COLLUSION...get it right pal---oh wait that was BarRag obama....wtf
 

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As it pertains to my analysis. There is more to say, much more.

I said in the OP that voters in small states have more of a say as to who our next President will be as compared to voters in large states. Now I will prove that statement.

Obviously, the less voters an elector represents the more impact voters have in the selection of our President. One on one would be the ideal, but that would defeat the purpose of the Electoral College.

California has a population of 39.5 million people and has 55 electors to the Electoral College.

Montana has a population of 906,500 people and has three electors to the Electoral College. It is one of seven rural states that have three electors.

When one does the math, in California one elector represents 718 voters. In Montana one elector represents 302 voters.

The conclusion based entirely on math, the non-college educated farmer in Montana has 2.38 times the impact of a college educated teacher in California.

And we know that -- to our everlasting regret -- the farmer and many like him in the rural counties of America chose Trump.
 
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Some have gone off topic. Here is what I said. It's important for a variety of reasons.

Trump's followers would have us believe that Trump defied all the national polls and won the election. They could not be more wrong.

In the first place, the national polls gauge the popular vote, not the Electoral College.

In the second place, Trump lost the popular vote by three million. Trump won in the Electoral College because voters in small states (in terms of population) have a larger say in the Presidential election than the voters in large states.

American University Professor Allan Lichtman who became famous for accurately predicting the winner of every Presidential election since 1984 -- including 2016 -- has issued his verdict for 2020: Joe Biden will defeat President Trump.

But the historian got it wrong. The Times writes, "Right now, polls say Joe Biden has a healthy lead over President Trump. But we’ve been here before (cue 2016), and the polls were, frankly, wrong."

No, they were not!

National polls only measure the popular vote. Clinton did, in fact, win the national popular vote by 2.1 points. The average of the 13 final national polls had Clinton ahead by 3.1 points, which was only a point off the actual result.
One last look: 2016 polls actually got a lot right | TheHill

The election was won by less than 80,000 votes. Axios reports that Trump won Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin by 0.2, 0.7 and 0.8 percentage points, respectively — and by 10,704, 46,765 and 22,177 votes. Those three wins gave him 46 electoral votes; if Clinton had done one point better in each state, she'd have won the electoral vote, too."

Nearly everyone today has forgotten the effect James Comey had on the election. Eleven days before Election Day, FBI Director Comey reopened the FBI investigation of Hillary Clinton. Clinton had a substantial lead in the polls, but in the week that followed Comey's announcement her lead quickly evaporated. Two days before the election, Comey issued a "sorry about that" and closed the investigation for lack of anything new.

The Hill reports, "Exit polling found that late-deciders in Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin broke for Trump by double-digit margins as high as 29 points."

During the election campaign, every voter in the country knew that the FBI was investigating Clinton. The FBI was also investigating the Trump campaign for its alleged cooperation with Russia. Voters were not aware of that investigation until after the election.
 

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As it pertains to my analysis. There is more to say, much more.

I said in the OP that voters in small states have more of a say as to who our next President will be as compared to voters in large states. Now I will prove that statement.

Obviously, the less voters an elector represents the more impact voters have in the selection of our President. One on one would be the ideal, but that would defeat the purpose of the Electoral College.

California has a population of 39.5 million people and has 55 electors to the Electoral College.

Montana has a population of 906,500 people and has three electors to the Electoral College. It is one of seven rural states that have three electors.

When one does the math, in California one elector represents 718 voters. In Montana one elector represents 302 voters.

The conclusion based entirely on math, the non-college educated farmer in Montana has 2.38 times the impact of a college educated teacher in California.

And we know that -- to our everlasting regret -- the farmer and many like him in the rural counties of America chose Trump.
California has a population of 39.5 million people and has 55 electors to the Electoral College.

Their population gives them 53 electors.

One per 745,283 in population.

Montana has a population of 906,500 people and has three electors to the Electoral College.

Their population gives them 1 elector.

One per 906,500 in population.

The conclusion based entirely on math, the illegal alien in California has 1.22 times the impact of a doctor in Montana.
 

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Some have gone off topic. Here is what I said. It's important for a variety of reasons.

Trump's followers would have us believe that Trump defied all the national polls and won the election. They could not be more wrong.

In the first place, the national polls gauge the popular vote, not the Electoral College.

In the second place, Trump lost the popular vote by three million. Trump won in the Electoral College because voters in small states (in terms of population) have a larger say in the Presidential election than the voters in large states.

American University Professor Allan Lichtman who became famous for accurately predicting the winner of every Presidential election since 1984 -- including 2016 -- has issued his verdict for 2020: Joe Biden will defeat President Trump.

But the historian got it wrong. The Times writes, "Right now, polls say Joe Biden has a healthy lead over President Trump. But we’ve been here before (cue 2016), and the polls were, frankly, wrong."

No, they were not!

National polls only measure the popular vote. Clinton did, in fact, win the national popular vote by 2.1 points. The average of the 13 final national polls had Clinton ahead by 3.1 points, which was only a point off the actual result.
One last look: 2016 polls actually got a lot right | TheHill

The election was won by less than 80,000 votes. Axios reports that Trump won Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin by 0.2, 0.7 and 0.8 percentage points, respectively — and by 10,704, 46,765 and 22,177 votes. Those three wins gave him 46 electoral votes; if Clinton had done one point better in each state, she'd have won the electoral vote, too."

Nearly everyone today has forgotten the effect James Comey had on the election. Eleven days before Election Day, FBI Director Comey reopened the FBI investigation of Hillary Clinton. Clinton had a substantial lead in the polls, but in the week that followed Comey's announcement her lead quickly evaporated. Two days before the election, Comey issued a "sorry about that" and closed the investigation for lack of anything new.

The Hill reports, "Exit polling found that late-deciders in Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin broke for Trump by double-digit margins as high as 29 points."

During the election campaign, every voter in the country knew that the FBI was investigating Clinton. The FBI was also investigating the Trump campaign for its alleged cooperation with Russia. Voters were not aware of that investigation until after the election.
National polls only measure the popular vote.

State polls only measure the electoral vote.
How many electoral votes did they predict for Hillary?
 

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As it pertains to my analysis. There is more to say, much more.

I said in the OP that voters in small states have more of a say as to who our next President will be as compared to voters in large states. Now I will prove that statement.

Obviously, the less voters an elector represents the more impact voters have in the selection of our President. One on one would be the ideal, but that would defeat the purpose of the Electoral College.

California has a population of 39.5 million people and has 55 electors to the Electoral College.

Montana has a population of 906,500 people and has three electors to the Electoral College. It is one of seven rural states that have three electors.

When one does the math, in California one elector represents 718 voters. In Montana one elector represents 302 voters.

The conclusion based entirely on math, the non-college educated farmer in Montana has 2.38 times the impact of a college educated teacher in California.

And we know that -- to our everlasting regret -- the farmer and many like him in the rural counties of America chose Trump.
The US Constitution is not a blue book or a math quiz. It holds the "great compromise" between the large states and the small states among other things. Your critiquing of the founding document is what we call "sour grapes".

What happens when Trump wins again? You gonna whine and carry on for another 4-years?
 
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The conclusion based entirely on math, the illegal alien in California has 1.22 times the impact of a doctor in Montana.
Clever, but meaningless. Other than the sarcasm you did not question my analysis.

No one can. It's reality. Trump's fans can no longer claim Trump beat the odds, meaning the polls, as they have done countless times.
 

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The conclusion based entirely on math, the illegal alien in California has 1.22 times the impact of a doctor in Montana.
Clever, but meaningless. Other than the sarcasm you did not question my analysis.

No one can. It's reality. Trump's fans can no longer claim Trump beat the odds, meaning the polls, as they have done countless times.
Other than the sarcasm you did not question my analysis.

I corrected the mathematical errors in your analysis.
 

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Trump's followers would have us believe that Trump defied all the national polls and won the election. They could not be more wrong.

In the first place, the national polls gauge the popular vote, not the Electoral College.

In the second place, Trump lost the popular vote by three million. Trump won in the Electoral College because voters in small states (in terms of population) have a larger say in the Presidential election than the voters in large states.

American University Professor Allan Lichtman who became famous for accurately predicting the winner of every Presidential election since 1984 -- including 2016 -- has issued his verdict for 2020: Joe Biden will defeat President Trump.

But the historian got it wrong. The Times writes, "Right now, polls say Joe Biden has a healthy lead over President Trump. But we’ve been here before (cue 2016), and the polls were, frankly, wrong."

No, they were not!

National polls only measure the popular vote. Clinton did, in fact, win the national popular vote by 2.1 points. The average of the 13 final national polls had Clinton ahead by 3.1 points, which was only a point off the actual result.
One last look: 2016 polls actually got a lot right | TheHill

The election was won by less than 80,000 votes. Axios reports that Trump won Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin by 0.2, 0.7 and 0.8 percentage points, respectively — and by 10,704, 46,765 and 22,177 votes. Those three wins gave him 46 electoral votes; if Clinton had done one point better in each state, she'd have won the electoral vote, too."

Nearly everyone today has forgotten the effect James Comey had on the election. Eleven days before Election Day, FBI Director Comey reopened the FBI investigation of Hillary Clinton. Clinton had a substantial lead in the polls, but in the week that followed Comey's announcement her lead quickly evaporated. Two days before the election, Comey issued a "sorry about that" and closed the investigation for lack of anything new.

The Hill reports, "Exit polling found that late-deciders in Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin broke for Trump by double-digit margins as high as 29 points."

During the election campaign, every voter in the country knew that the FBI was investigating Clinton. The FBI was also investigating the Trump campaign for its alleged cooperation with Russia. Voters were not aware of that investigation until after the election.
So, the polls predicting a massive Hillary electoral landslide got it right?
 

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Trump's followers would have us believe that Trump defied all the national polls and won the election. They could not be more wrong.

In the first place, the national polls gauge the popular vote, not the Electoral College.

In the second place, Trump lost the popular vote by three million. Trump won in the Electoral College because voters in small states (in terms of population) have a larger say in the Presidential election than the voters in large states.

American University Professor Allan Lichtman who became famous for accurately predicting the winner of every Presidential election since 1984 -- including 2016 -- has issued his verdict for 2020: Joe Biden will defeat President Trump.

But the historian got it wrong. The Times writes, "Right now, polls say Joe Biden has a healthy lead over President Trump. But we’ve been here before (cue 2016), and the polls were, frankly, wrong."

No, they were not!

National polls only measure the popular vote. Clinton did, in fact, win the national popular vote by 2.1 points. The average of the 13 final national polls had Clinton ahead by 3.1 points, which was only a point off the actual result.
One last look: 2016 polls actually got a lot right | TheHill

The election was won by less than 80,000 votes. Axios reports that Trump won Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin by 0.2, 0.7 and 0.8 percentage points, respectively — and by 10,704, 46,765 and 22,177 votes. Those three wins gave him 46 electoral votes; if Clinton had done one point better in each state, she'd have won the electoral vote, too."

Nearly everyone today has forgotten the effect James Comey had on the election. Eleven days before Election Day, FBI Director Comey reopened the FBI investigation of Hillary Clinton. Clinton had a substantial lead in the polls, but in the week that followed Comey's announcement her lead quickly evaporated. Two days before the election, Comey issued a "sorry about that" and closed the investigation for lack of anything new.

The Hill reports, "Exit polling found that late-deciders in Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin broke for Trump by double-digit margins as high as 29 points."

During the election campaign, every voter in the country knew that the FBI was investigating Clinton. The FBI was also investigating the Trump campaign for its alleged cooperation with Russia. Voters were not aware of that investigation until after the election.
So, the polls predicting a massive Hillary electoral landslide got it right?
To be fair, on election day they said she only had a 98% chance of winning.
 

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