Zone1 The JEW From JUDEA ISRAEL [Jesus]

[rosends]

Liars. The “Midrash” came about centuries after Jesus. It is the Judaism 2.0’s ideology of perverting the scriptures by claiming they need to be “interpreted” entirely differently from what they actually say. It is at the core of your heresy.

No, you are just wrong. The Talmud and the Midrash are separate texts, dating from very different times and with different authors. You may not like Midrash, but your claim that it is connected to Talmud is simply wrong.

 

[theHawk]

Still, keep in mind the teaching we are to love one another. Consider no one is distorting and/or perverting scriptures. Sometimes it helps to move from that picture of scripture (two dimensional) into the three dimensional. There is a lot more to see.

What does it mean to love one another? To accept their lies?

No. Loving people is telling them the truth. Love isn’t about making everyone “feel good”.

 

[theHawk]

No, you are just wrong. The Talmud and the Midrash are separate texts, dating from very different times and with different authors. You may not like Midrash, but your claim that it is connected to Talmud is simply wrong.

Both are used in Talmudic Judaism. It’s the same mindset, to discredit Jesus and to lead Jews away from Jesus at all costs. To lead them to in an eternity in hell.

 

[rosends]

Both are used in Talmudic Judaism. It’s the same mindset, to discredit Jesus and to lead Jews away from Jesus at all costs. To lead them to in an eternity in hell.

The bible is also used in Talmudic Judaism. You should probably discount that as well. The same mindset -- to encourage Jews to believe in God, with no mention of Jesus.

 

[theHawk]

no, the bible does not. Proverbs does not contain commandments, nor is that verse written as a command. Problem is, you don't really know the verse.
יראת יהוה, שנאת-רע:
גאה וגאון ודרך רע, ופי תהפכות שנאתי.

show me where the language of a command is found.

We here at the "Synagogue of Satan" read the text in the Hebrew and actually understand it. You prefer bad translations at your "Church of Ignorance."

So now you are claiming we are not taught to fear the Lord in the Bible?

13 To fear the Lord is to hate evil;
I hate pride and arrogance,
evil behavior and perverse speech.


Thanks for proving you do indeed pervert the words in scripture.

 

[rosends]

So now you are claiming we are not taught to fear the Lord in the Bible?

13 To fear the Lord is to hate evil;
I hate pride and arrogance,
evil behavior and perverse speech.


Thanks for proving you do indeed pervert the words in scripture.

so you don't know what a "commandment" is. Got it. The proverb (from a non-legal text so there are no commandments in it) is defining what fear of God is. Thanks for proving you don't know how to read. Feel free to make up other things as well!

 

[theHawk]

The bible is also used in Talmudic Judaism. You should probably discount that as well. The same mindset -- to encourage Jews to believe in God, with no mention of Jesus.

Wrong. The Bible was around before the Talmud, so why would I discount it?

 

[rosends]

Wrong. The Bible was around before the Talmud, so why would I discount it?

because it is used in Talmudic Judaism and that was the condition that you invoked to explain your dismissal of the other texts.

 

[theHawk]

so you don't know what a "commandment" is. Got it. The proverb (from a non-legal text so there are no commandments in it) is defining what fear of God is. Thanks for proving you don't know how to read. Feel free to make up other things as well!

Do you even follow all the “commandments” in the Torah?

Do you stone adulterers to death?

Yes or no.

 

[theHawk]

because it is used in Talmudic Judaism and that was the condition that you invoked to explain your dismissal of the other texts.

I never claimed the Bible or Tanakh should be dismissed.

 

[Meriweather]

What does it mean to love one another? To accept their lies?

No. Loving people is telling them the truth. Love isn’t about making everyone “feel good”.

Listening attentively is not the same as accepting what is said. The Old Testament is the history of the mankind, focusing on the Israelites. These stories are about those days and times and are also the foundation of the New Testament. Both focus on God in the midst of His people; God's ongoing work. Accepting that God was at work for the Jews in that day and time is fact--and takes nothing from the New Testament.

Jews today do not see the New Testament as Christians see it--God's continuing work amidst His people.

 

[theHawk]

Tell us rosends , when a good Jew dies, do they go to heaven?

 

[theHawk]

Accepting that God was at work for the Jews in that day and time is fact--and takes nothing from the New Testament

I never claimed otherwise. The OT is the basis for Christians, as we believe the same things faithful Israelites believed, in the Messiah.

Modern Jews do not have the same beliefs as the ancient Israelites of 2000+ years ago.

Their Talmud, Midrash, Kabbalah, Zohar etc are all modern inventions after the time of Jesus that totally redefined Judaism into what it is today. They are “commentaries” designed to lead people away from Christ, which of course means straight to hell.

 

[rosends]

Do you even follow all the “commandments” in the Torah?

Do you stone adulterers to death?

Yes or no.

I am not bound to follow all the commandments of the Torah. If you studied the Torah, you'd know that.

In terms of capital punishment, those laws are not in effect (Judaism stopped using capital punishment in 70CE) and even when they were, potentially, in effect, they were rarely, if ever, used. So asking me if I do something that Judaism does not have as part of its system, and hasn't since before Christianity existed seems silly.

 

[rosends]

Tell us rosends , when a good Jew dies, do they go to heaven?

when a singular person dies, he or she is judged. If found worthy based on the standard which applies to that person, he or she goes to heaven.

 

[theHawk]

when a singular person dies, he or she is judged. If found worthy based on the standard which applies to that person, he or she goes to heaven.

Where does it say that in the Torah/Tanakh?


Why are righteous people like Abraham down in Sheol?

 

[rosends]

I never claimed the Bible or Tanakh should be dismissed.

no, but your reason to dismiss the other texts is that they are used in Talmudic Judaism. Therefore, that must be the operative criterion. That same applies to the bible. Either find a different way of distinguishing, or accept that logic can be extended consistently.

 

[rosends]

Where does it say that in the Torah/Tanakh?

here -- if you want to learn and check out sources, this is an OK place to start

Why are righteous people like Abraham in Sheol?

who said Abraham is in Sheol?

 

[theHawk]

I am not bound to follow all the commandments of the Torah. If you studied the Torah, you'd know that.

In terms of capital punishment, those laws are not in effect (Judaism stopped using capital punishment in 70CE) and even when they were, potentially, in effect, they were rarely, if ever, used. So asking me if I do something that Judaism does not have as part of its system, and hasn't since before Christianity existed seems silly.

What prophet told the Jews to stop using capital punishment in 70AD?

Am I aware it was rarely used. That doesn’t excuse why Jews stopped following such laws.

 

[theHawk]

no, but your reason to dismiss the other texts is that they are used in Talmudic Judaism. Therefore, that must be the operative criterion. That same applies to the bible. Either find a different way of distinguishing, or accept that logic can be extended consistently.

Wrong. I say other texts like the Talmud/Midrash/Kabbalah/Zohar should be dismissed because they are satanic in nature.