The First Black Republican Presidential Nominee Will Be.....

[IM2]

We're used to you being wrong pretty much all the time. And whiny. And tearful.

You say stupid shit like that, not when it is true, but when you are desperate to distract from how little you can say to support your position.


Exit polls are the Gold Standard of political polls. They showed that in 1996, the republican voters, along with a good sized chunk of Reagan Democrats, would have been happy to elect a black Republican President.


This of course, should be a moot historical point, because Powell choose not to run and very few blacks are even in the Republican Party.


But you can't admit it. Because you lib NEED your lie, that the Republican Party is terribly racist.


Because without that, you might have to make the case for your policies, based on their actual merits.


And you know, that you cannot.


You need to be able to cry "racist" and have the be the end of the debate.



Because, you know you can never win an actual, real debate.



That is what this is about. And you being a smug asshole about it, is just you being a smug asshole.

Dumbfuck, the thread questioned, "The First Black Republican Presidential Nominee Will Be....."

Someone who never ran for that office will NOT be that person.

Jeez, you're one mentally ill patient.

And I, and others pointed out, that the Republican HAVE the Presidency and the Vice Presidency. So it will be awhile before we have openings.


BUT, it is not because we are against the idea in principle. It has just not worked out that way yet.


Which was the point demonstrated by the Powell Exit Polls.


That was all explained. What part of that is too hard for you to understand?

The part where you delude yourself into believing a black man who never ran for president has a chance at being the first black Republican president.

I reject your pretense of you being too stupid to under stand the concept of linear time.


YOu are stupid, I will grant you that, but you are not so fucking profoundly retarded that you are too stupid to understand the concept that he had a very strong chance, at one time in the past.

That is my point. YOu are welcome to disagree with it, and explain why you disagree with it.


YOu are not welcome to pretend to be to stupid to read it and understand it. THAT IS NOT CREDIBLE. STOP FUCKING AROUND.

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Dumbfuck, that's not what this thread asked. It didn't ask, which black wasn't nominated by the Republican party -- it asked who will be the first. Powell never ran, so Powell will not be the first. We're still waiting for the first. Maybe that will come in about another hundred years are so. In the meantime, buzz your nurse to come change your drool cup.

Trump is likely to be re-elected in 2020. THat's four more years right there. And Pence will almost certainly be the next candidate, so that's another four years after THAT.


And if he wins, it could be TWELVE years, until the next opening.

AND, actually, 16, because he would run for re-election, and likely lose.


It is pretty silly to try to guess that far ahead.


BUt it is worth noting, that the REASON FOR THE DELAY, IS NOT ONE OF PRINCIPLE, BUT JUST THE WAY IT WORKED OUT, AS DEMONSTRATED BY THE 96 EXIT POLLS.

LOLOL

You're literally making up this shit as you go along. It's not a given Impeached Trump will win this year. Even if he does, who knows if Pence will run in 2024. Going back to Carter, 3 VP's ran in the ensuing election and 3 did not. And even if Pence ran, you don't know that he would win. You also don't know who else might run against him, if that were to happen.

So now you're just inventing silly excuses for why the GOP has never nominated a black candidate.

How sad.

Hoping the sitting President is re-elected is not silly.

It happens a lot.

I would never offer you an "excuse" on ANYTHING. "Excuse" indicates I think that words or reason can effect your hate of anyone who stands in your way. We both know that is not true.


The OP, as admitted by the man that made it, is all about just smearing the GOP as racist.


Which it is not.

As demonstrated by the 96 exit polls, showing that Republican voters were fine with the idea of a Republican Black President.


That is the point of the thread and my refuting it, right there.

Why do you keep deflecting??

I never admitted anything....

What has been admitted is that your inability to answer my question is EVIDENCE of your own party's racism....


If someone were to ask a "liberal voter" whom do they feel would make a good black Democrat presidential candidate -- they are not going to go on some long diatribe making excuses for what Democrats did 100 years ago....they are just going to name possible candidates -- many of which are probably candidates who are ALREADY elected to public office.....

The dem party has the vast majority of potential candidates.

That the few blacks that are in the party, are so far down the list of potential candidates that I don't know their names, is not evidence of racism.


If you had asked this question in summer, 1996, I would have had an excellent answer, one a good number of my friends were quite excited about.


Does that mean to you, that in 1996, the GOP was not "racist", cause we would have had a name?


YOur position, is nothing but partisan hackery and race baiting.


Does it bother you that the potential black candidates all lost in the dem primaries? Is that evidence of "Racism" or just that Biden won?

You keep bringing up 1996 as to say "that one time, we would have supported a black guy" -- because of some poll...

But what you don't mention is -- the candidates who actually got the MOST VOTES -- you of all people should be the last to tell me about polls as opposed to actual votes...

Bob Dole got the most votes...but the guy who had so much support that he didn't drop out until the convention is who??

Pat Buchanan......do we need to go on about his record on race??

And I bet Correll supported Buchanan.

 

[Faun]

Republicans struggle to elect blacks to Congress. Electing one as president won't happen in this century.

I don't know why this is an issue for Democrats in the first place since they don't like conservatives anyway. If you don't like conservatives or conservative values, you're not going to like a black Republican. And if a black Republican does get nominated, it's unlikely he/she would be elected and Democrats would be largely responsible for this. The reason being because a lot of black Democrats already consider conservative blacks as sellouts and Uncle Toms.

All of this nonsense about black Republican presidential nominees is just farting in a hurricane. Speaking for myself, I don't care how many blacks the Republican party has. A black person will either choose to be Republican or not, I don't give a shit and I don't want some kind of quota. If the Republican party doesn't have what a black person wants, shut the fuck up and become a Democrat. Same goes for white people.

So a black Republican can't get elected without support from Democrats?

Thanks for admitting that many Republicans and conservatives are racist. I already knew that but it's nice to see your side admit it.

Colin Powell would have easily defeated Bill Clinton according to exit polls in 1996. I would have happily voted for him against Bill Clinton. Some of my republican friends were really big fans of his.

That not many blacks would likely have crossed party lines, would not have mattered, and actually, imo, would have been a good thing.

I don't know why Ghost thinks that a black republican candidate would not win, or could not win without black dem voters. But he is incorrect.

LOL

If he's incorrect, where is the black Republican president? ...

Colin Powell did not run because he did not have a "passion for politics". That is where the most recent chance of a black republican President went.


Can you blame him? You libs are fucking nightmares to deal with.

Take the log out of your eye, you rightards are also nightmares.

So, you admit it. THe primary reason that Colin Power did not run, was him not wanting the job.


Can you admit that he would have been a strong contender for the nomination, if he had run, as the polling showed?

I admitted nothing about Powell, ya flaming moron. I didn't follow Powell to know if he was or was not thinking about running; or if so, why not.

YOur defense to "you libs make the job not a good choice" was, "you too".


That is an admission that you libs make the job not desirable.



You choose to enter a thread on Black Republican Presidents while being ignorant on the most likely to get elected potential candidate ever?


LOL!!! Well, that is completely credible for a lib. I accept your defense of ignorance.


You can either trust me on this, or go read up on it, and get back to me when you are caught up. Plenty on this issue online.

Your call.

"YOur defense to "you libs make the job not a good choice" was, "you too"."

So? Are you so blind you can't see both sides attack each other in the manner you only cry about the left?

"You choose to enter a thread on Black Republican Presidents while being ignorant on the most likely to get elected potential candidate ever?"

You said he had no passion for politics. That's your idea of the most likely black Republican to get elected? Ever???

Do you even have an idea of how stupid you sound?

Dude. Your defense is ignorance. You've admitted to being ignorant on the subject.


Go educate yourself. It will only take a few minutes.

Colin Powell - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"Powell's experience in military matters made him a very popular figure with both American political parties. Many Democrats admired his moderate stance on military matters, while many Republicans saw him as a great asset associated with the successes of past Republican administrations. Put forth as a potential Democratic Vice Presidential nominee in the 1992 U.S. presidential election[43] or even potentially replacing Vice President Dan Quayle as the Republican Vice Presidential nominee,[44] Powell eventually declared himself a Republican and began to campaign for Republican candidates in 1995.[45][46] He was touted as a possible opponent of Bill Clinton in the 1996 U.S. presidential election, possibly capitalizing on a split conservative vote in Iowa[47] and even leading New Hampshire polls for the GOP nomination,[48] but Powell declined, citing a lack of passion for politics.[49] Powell defeated Clinton 50–38 in a hypothetical match-up proposed to voters in the exit polls conducted on Election Day.[50] Despite not standing in the race, Powell won the Republican New Hampshire Vice-Presidential primary on write-in votes.[51] "

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Moron, you're literally claiming your best shot at electing a Black Republican is someone who never ran for office nor wanted to.

Exit polls showed him winning handily over Bill Clinton, as a Republican with the Republican voters very strongly supporting him.


That right there refutes the point of the op, ie that republicans are racist that is why no black republican presidents.

Exit polls are meaningless when the topic is someone who's not running.

Still -- you claim your best shot to get a black Republican as president is someone who didn't want the job.

Exit polls are the Gold Standard of polls. They ask the person who they would vote for minutes after the point of voting, and they only get data from voters.


The high numbers that Powell got, showed that Republicans were ready for a black President back in 1996, and considering the strength of the results, well before that.


That alone refutes the point of the op, that the lack of black Republican Presidents is caused by "racism".

I didn't say exit polls are meaningless -- I said that one question is meaningless. Saying you'd vote for someone who's not running doesn't actually prove Republicans would have elected a black.

When an absolute majority of voters, primary made of republicans say they would have voted for a black republican, it does.


And that refutes the point of the op.

LOL

Saying you will vote for someone who's not running means nothing since that still doesn't get a black Republican elected. You remain an abject imbecile.

It demonstrates that the Republican Party has been ready for a Black President, decades ago.


That is relevant to the discussion, when so many lefties like to pretend to believe that the reason for the lack of black republicans or black republican presidents, is gop racism.


Hard data shows that that is a race baiting lie, made by vile liars.

and I assume the reason why there is such overwhelming support by black voters for the Democrat party is because of Democrat racism??

You know, there is also overwhelming support for the Democrat party on behalf of Jewish voters too...is that because of Democrat Anti-Semitism??

If your friend told you that there was a party happening tonight and there were gonna be a bunch of ladies there -- then when you get there -- its only one lady there and 400 guys -- would that still be considered a party with a bunch of ladies there?

Nope. NOt at all. But it is not because the guys are fags who don't like the ladies.


Have you never been at a party, where there was as dearth of women, and it was not because the men there disliked women?


Why are you pretending to be stupid about this?

If you are going to deflect this badly -- just don't comment at all...

You purposely avoided 99% of what I said just to focus on the fact, you attended parties with no ladies there....most conservatives have...

But that is for your therapist to work thru with you.....

You took my point, that the lack of black republicans is not because of republican racism, and turned it into a strawman.


ie that my point somehow implied that the dems were. Which does not follow.


The republican party not having anti-black racism, in no way implies that the dems DO.


Watch this. I don't believe in bigfoot.


Does that statement read to you, like I am accusing you of believing in bigfoot?



My point stands. THere are reasons that we have not had a black republican president, yet. GOP racism is not one of those reasons.


AS proved by the 96 exit polls.

Let's cut to the chase.....

The reason there are so few black people voting republican, is the same reason why there are so few black people elected as republicans, and that its the same reason so many of you folks here have had a difficult time answering my question...

The reason is in large part due to the historical racism of conservatives....both in rhetoric and most importantly in POLICY....And those conservatives of course, now happens to be predominantly affiliated with the republican party...

This is why 2 republican party chairmen had to issue apologies and offer mea culpas to try to own up to this reality....and when they did, they were attacked and ran out of their positions.....but I will let a black republican explain this to you himself...

“For the last 40-plus years we had a 'Southern Strategy' that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South" -- The genteel phrase dates back to Nixon aide Kevin Phillips, who explained to The New York Times in 1970: “From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that.”

Michael Steele on Why African-Americans Should Vote Republican: âYou Really Don't Have a Reason to, to Be Honestâ

From Wonkette.On Tuesday, No. 1 successful adult Michael Steele, current chairman of the Republican National Committee, described the G.O.P.’s political offensive thusly: “For the last 40-plus years we had a 'Southern Strategy' that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male...

www.vanityfair.com

Remember, this guy was attacked for issuing an apology for use of the "Southern Strategy" -- he lost his position as GOP chairman even tho he helped republicans win more seats since 1928 and broke fund raising records.....and he still remains a republican because to him, the current racism of his party isn't a deal breaker for him....for many other black voters, it is a deal breaker...

First of all, thanks for admitting that this thread is just about smearing the Republican Party, as "racist". We all knew that. You don't care about the alleged "topic".


The 96 exit polls proves tha the republican voters of that time, were fine with having a Republican President who had black skin, and by and large were sorry it was not an option. Speaking as a republican, I can assure you that as a group, we would much rather had had Colin Powell as President than the white guy, Bill Fucking Clinton.

AND the republican voters, are generally MORE conservative than the moderate Country Club Republicans who run the GOP, as demonstrated by their hissy fit when Trump won.


There are reasons for the way that blacks vote. Historic gop "racism" is not one of them. That is just not true.

Those '96 exit polls show no such thing as that question was not broken down by political party.

 

[Faun]

We're used to you being wrong pretty much all the time. And whiny. And tearful.

You say stupid shit like that, not when it is true, but when you are desperate to distract from how little you can say to support your position.


Exit polls are the Gold Standard of political polls. They showed that in 1996, the republican voters, along with a good sized chunk of Reagan Democrats, would have been happy to elect a black Republican President.


This of course, should be a moot historical point, because Powell choose not to run and very few blacks are even in the Republican Party.


But you can't admit it. Because you lib NEED your lie, that the Republican Party is terribly racist.


Because without that, you might have to make the case for your policies, based on their actual merits.


And you know, that you cannot.


You need to be able to cry "racist" and have the be the end of the debate.



Because, you know you can never win an actual, real debate.



That is what this is about. And you being a smug asshole about it, is just you being a smug asshole.

Dumbfuck, the thread questioned, "The First Black Republican Presidential Nominee Will Be....."

Someone who never ran for that office will NOT be that person.

Jeez, you're one mentally ill patient.

And I, and others pointed out, that the Republican HAVE the Presidency and the Vice Presidency. So it will be awhile before we have openings.


BUT, it is not because we are against the idea in principle. It has just not worked out that way yet.


Which was the point demonstrated by the Powell Exit Polls.


That was all explained. What part of that is too hard for you to understand?

The part where you delude yourself into believing a black man who never ran for president has a chance at being the first black Republican president.

I reject your pretense of you being too stupid to under stand the concept of linear time.


YOu are stupid, I will grant you that, but you are not so fucking profoundly retarded that you are too stupid to understand the concept that he had a very strong chance, at one time in the past.

That is my point. YOu are welcome to disagree with it, and explain why you disagree with it.


YOu are not welcome to pretend to be to stupid to read it and understand it. THAT IS NOT CREDIBLE. STOP FUCKING AROUND.

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Dumbfuck, that's not what this thread asked. It didn't ask, which black wasn't nominated by the Republican party -- it asked who will be the first. Powell never ran, so Powell will not be the first. We're still waiting for the first. Maybe that will come in about another hundred years are so. In the meantime, buzz your nurse to come change your drool cup.

Trump is likely to be re-elected in 2020. THat's four more years right there. And Pence will almost certainly be the next candidate, so that's another four years after THAT.


And if he wins, it could be TWELVE years, until the next opening.

AND, actually, 16, because he would run for re-election, and likely lose.


It is pretty silly to try to guess that far ahead.


BUt it is worth noting, that the REASON FOR THE DELAY, IS NOT ONE OF PRINCIPLE, BUT JUST THE WAY IT WORKED OUT, AS DEMONSTRATED BY THE 96 EXIT POLLS.

LOLOL

You're literally making up this shit as you go along. It's not a given Impeached Trump will win this year. Even if he does, who knows if Pence will run in 2024. Going back to Carter, 3 VP's ran in the ensuing election and 3 did not. And even if Pence ran, you don't know that he would win. You also don't know who else might run against him, if that were to happen.

So now you're just inventing silly excuses for why the GOP has never nominated a black candidate.

How sad.

Hoping the sitting President is re-elected is not silly.

It happens a lot.

I would never offer you an "excuse" on ANYTHING. "Excuse" indicates I think that words or reason can effect your hate of anyone who stands in your way. We both know that is not true.


The OP, as admitted by the man that made it, is all about just smearing the GOP as racist.


Which it is not.

As demonstrated by the 96 exit polls, showing that Republican voters were fine with the idea of a Republican Black President.


That is the point of the thread and my refuting it, right there.

"Hoping the sitting President is re-elected is not silly."

That's not what I pointed out was silly. Dayum, you're a fucking moron.

 

[Correll]

Republicans struggle to elect blacks to Congress. Electing one as president won't happen in this century.

I don't know why this is an issue for Democrats in the first place since they don't like conservatives anyway. If you don't like conservatives or conservative values, you're not going to like a black Republican. And if a black Republican does get nominated, it's unlikely he/she would be elected and Democrats would be largely responsible for this. The reason being because a lot of black Democrats already consider conservative blacks as sellouts and Uncle Toms.

All of this nonsense about black Republican presidential nominees is just farting in a hurricane. Speaking for myself, I don't care how many blacks the Republican party has. A black person will either choose to be Republican or not, I don't give a shit and I don't want some kind of quota. If the Republican party doesn't have what a black person wants, shut the fuck up and become a Democrat. Same goes for white people.

So a black Republican can't get elected without support from Democrats?

Thanks for admitting that many Republicans and conservatives are racist. I already knew that but it's nice to see your side admit it.

Colin Powell would have easily defeated Bill Clinton according to exit polls in 1996. I would have happily voted for him against Bill Clinton. Some of my republican friends were really big fans of his.

That not many blacks would likely have crossed party lines, would not have mattered, and actually, imo, would have been a good thing.

I don't know why Ghost thinks that a black republican candidate would not win, or could not win without black dem voters. But he is incorrect.

LOL

If he's incorrect, where is the black Republican president? ...

Colin Powell did not run because he did not have a "passion for politics". That is where the most recent chance of a black republican President went.


Can you blame him? You libs are fucking nightmares to deal with.

Take the log out of your eye, you rightards are also nightmares.

So, you admit it. THe primary reason that Colin Power did not run, was him not wanting the job.


Can you admit that he would have been a strong contender for the nomination, if he had run, as the polling showed?

I admitted nothing about Powell, ya flaming moron. I didn't follow Powell to know if he was or was not thinking about running; or if so, why not.

YOur defense to "you libs make the job not a good choice" was, "you too".


That is an admission that you libs make the job not desirable.



You choose to enter a thread on Black Republican Presidents while being ignorant on the most likely to get elected potential candidate ever?


LOL!!! Well, that is completely credible for a lib. I accept your defense of ignorance.


You can either trust me on this, or go read up on it, and get back to me when you are caught up. Plenty on this issue online.

Your call.

"YOur defense to "you libs make the job not a good choice" was, "you too"."

So? Are you so blind you can't see both sides attack each other in the manner you only cry about the left?

"You choose to enter a thread on Black Republican Presidents while being ignorant on the most likely to get elected potential candidate ever?"

You said he had no passion for politics. That's your idea of the most likely black Republican to get elected? Ever???

Do you even have an idea of how stupid you sound?

Dude. Your defense is ignorance. You've admitted to being ignorant on the subject.


Go educate yourself. It will only take a few minutes.

Colin Powell - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"Powell's experience in military matters made him a very popular figure with both American political parties. Many Democrats admired his moderate stance on military matters, while many Republicans saw him as a great asset associated with the successes of past Republican administrations. Put forth as a potential Democratic Vice Presidential nominee in the 1992 U.S. presidential election[43] or even potentially replacing Vice President Dan Quayle as the Republican Vice Presidential nominee,[44] Powell eventually declared himself a Republican and began to campaign for Republican candidates in 1995.[45][46] He was touted as a possible opponent of Bill Clinton in the 1996 U.S. presidential election, possibly capitalizing on a split conservative vote in Iowa[47] and even leading New Hampshire polls for the GOP nomination,[48] but Powell declined, citing a lack of passion for politics.[49] Powell defeated Clinton 50–38 in a hypothetical match-up proposed to voters in the exit polls conducted on Election Day.[50] Despite not standing in the race, Powell won the Republican New Hampshire Vice-Presidential primary on write-in votes.[51] "

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Moron, you're literally claiming your best shot at electing a Black Republican is someone who never ran for office nor wanted to.

Exit polls showed him winning handily over Bill Clinton, as a Republican with the Republican voters very strongly supporting him.


That right there refutes the point of the op, ie that republicans are racist that is why no black republican presidents.

Exit polls are meaningless when the topic is someone who's not running.

Still -- you claim your best shot to get a black Republican as president is someone who didn't want the job.

Exit polls are the Gold Standard of polls. They ask the person who they would vote for minutes after the point of voting, and they only get data from voters.


The high numbers that Powell got, showed that Republicans were ready for a black President back in 1996, and considering the strength of the results, well before that.


That alone refutes the point of the op, that the lack of black Republican Presidents is caused by "racism".

I didn't say exit polls are meaningless -- I said that one question is meaningless. Saying you'd vote for someone who's not running doesn't actually prove Republicans would have elected a black.

When an absolute majority of voters, primary made of republicans say they would have voted for a black republican, it does.


And that refutes the point of the op.

LOL

Saying you will vote for someone who's not running means nothing since that still doesn't get a black Republican elected. You remain an abject imbecile.

It demonstrates that the Republican Party has been ready for a Black President, decades ago.


That is relevant to the discussion, when so many lefties like to pretend to believe that the reason for the lack of black republicans or black republican presidents, is gop racism.


Hard data shows that that is a race baiting lie, made by vile liars.

and I assume the reason why there is such overwhelming support by black voters for the Democrat party is because of Democrat racism??

You know, there is also overwhelming support for the Democrat party on behalf of Jewish voters too...is that because of Democrat Anti-Semitism??

If your friend told you that there was a party happening tonight and there were gonna be a bunch of ladies there -- then when you get there -- its only one lady there and 400 guys -- would that still be considered a party with a bunch of ladies there?

Nope. NOt at all. But it is not because the guys are fags who don't like the ladies.


Have you never been at a party, where there was as dearth of women, and it was not because the men there disliked women?


Why are you pretending to be stupid about this?

If you are going to deflect this badly -- just don't comment at all...

You purposely avoided 99% of what I said just to focus on the fact, you attended parties with no ladies there....most conservatives have...

But that is for your therapist to work thru with you.....

You took my point, that the lack of black republicans is not because of republican racism, and turned it into a strawman.


ie that my point somehow implied that the dems were. Which does not follow.


The republican party not having anti-black racism, in no way implies that the dems DO.


Watch this. I don't believe in bigfoot.


Does that statement read to you, like I am accusing you of believing in bigfoot?



My point stands. THere are reasons that we have not had a black republican president, yet. GOP racism is not one of those reasons.


AS proved by the 96 exit polls.

Let's cut to the chase.....

The reason there are so few black people voting republican, is the same reason why there are so few black people elected as republicans, and that its the same reason so many of you folks here have had a difficult time answering my question...

The reason is in large part due to the historical racism of conservatives....both in rhetoric and most importantly in POLICY....And those conservatives of course, now happens to be predominantly affiliated with the republican party...

This is why 2 republican party chairmen had to issue apologies and offer mea culpas to try to own up to this reality....and when they did, they were attacked and ran out of their positions.....but I will let a black republican explain this to you himself...

“For the last 40-plus years we had a 'Southern Strategy' that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South" -- The genteel phrase dates back to Nixon aide Kevin Phillips, who explained to The New York Times in 1970: “From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that.”

Michael Steele on Why African-Americans Should Vote Republican: âYou Really Don't Have a Reason to, to Be Honestâ

From Wonkette.On Tuesday, No. 1 successful adult Michael Steele, current chairman of the Republican National Committee, described the G.O.P.’s political offensive thusly: “For the last 40-plus years we had a 'Southern Strategy' that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male...

www.vanityfair.com

Remember, this guy was attacked for issuing an apology for use of the "Southern Strategy" -- he lost his position as GOP chairman even tho he helped republicans win more seats since 1928 and broke fund raising records.....and he still remains a republican because to him, the current racism of his party isn't a deal breaker for him....for many other black voters, it is a deal breaker...

THAK YOU!

These racists don't want to admit we are smarter than white racists and that we have decided en masse to not join a party full of racists. They'll get 2-3 percent of black people, because there are 2-3 percent of blacks who are dumb enough to ignore the racism. But until the republican party changes its leadership and begins rejecting its base to honestly reach out to black voters, thing will remain as they are, at least on the national level.

The 96 exit polls prove that the GOP is not full of racists. Racists would not be happy with the idea of a black man as President.

Your position is stupid.

By the way....what do those "republican voters" think about Collin Powell now??

When you morons are trotting out minstrels like Candace Owens as saviors of the "black conservative" movement -- how come no one is talking to Alan Keyes, JC Watts, the ones you told us where supposed to be saviors of the movement....

And why have you avoided what I said that not 1, but 2 republican party chairman apologized for using the racist southern strategy during the 60's, 70's on into the 80's...were they lying??

GOP renounces '60s racial strategy / Party chair says using divisive issues to win white vote was wrong

GOP renounces '60s racial strategy / Party chair says using divisive issues to win white...

www.sfgate.com

RNC Chair Michael Steele Confesses to Race-Based Southern Strategy

Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele made an admission, this week, that was both stunning and obvious. Speaking to a group of DePaul University students, Steele was asked why a black person should vote for a Republican. In responding, Steele put on the record the political...

www.mediaite.com

1. Since his betrayal? NOt much. Which does not change the fact that before his betrayal, republicans were really wanted him to run and be President, thus disproving your claim of racism.

2. Ever clip of Candice I see, she is kicking some libs ass. I don't see her as a savior of "black conservativism" so much as just a great conservative. I hope she sticks around forever, and keeps kicking lib ass. If she ever chooses to run for anything, I hope she does well.

3. Alan Keyes was set up for failure by the asshole Country Club Republicans, and flamed out. They did not do it because they are racist assholes, but because they are elitists assholes, who don't like hard core conservatives. YOu do understand that, right?

4. I'm not sure what happened with Watts.

5. I did not avoid it. I addressed it. THey were wrong to do so, and I support that fact that the one paid a price for his stupidity. THe Southern Strategy was a myth. The South became less racist and as that happened, it also became less democratic. Perhaps a coincidence.

If 2 DNC chairmen came out and issued a statement like that about Democrats -- would you say they were lying, would say it was a mistake, that it's a myth -- or would you be holding it up as proof of something??

Not only did those GOP chairmen issue apologies, then they went on to substantiate those apologies with actual FACTS of what THEIR PARTY ACTUALLY DID..

I just gave you the statement made by Nixon's advisor who ADMITTED that they lost "Negro" support due to the passage of the Civil Rights Act -- why would he feel that??

Furthermore, that has been the Republican strategy every since then -- to disregard the importance of growing the black vote by their policies -- and instead rely on enough self hating black folks to vote for them irregardless of their insistence on appealing to the racist white vote -- which they value over the black vote...period...

For some black republicans who mainly care about getting a possible tax cut if they are in a certain tax bracket -- they can ignore the racism...for some black republicans, there is a self hatred among them that getting that pat on the head for white folks is enough for them to put on a minstrel show

But the overwhelming majority of others -- their dignity and the sacrifices of those before them prevents them from being a minstrel for the edification of folks like you -- who can't even bring themselves to acknowledge that black person's reality because it makes you feel butt hurt...

1. So, you accept my point about the way the Powell support disproves your claims of gop racism? Cause brought it up and then dropped it immediately.


2. IF two DNC chairman did something like that, I would certainly present it as EVIDENCE of the thing they apologized for. But if the lefty I was talking to, claimed that they were wrong to do so, then I would take steps to prove that they were right to do so. It is time for you to give your single strongest point as evidence of the "Southern Strategy". No gish galloping bullshit please.


3. At a guess, I would think that the Nixon advisor was thinking of the way that Johnson was getting the credit for signing the bill, even though it has strong bi-partisan support in Congress.

4. The GOP did nothing for the "racist white vote", that is just you being a race baiting asshole.

5. The black vote began shifting to the dems, under FDR, in the 30s, because of the New Deal programs, a good thirty years before the dems stopped being the Party of Jim Crow. So, it was not "republican racism" that moved that change.

 

[Correll]

We're used to you being wrong pretty much all the time. And whiny. And tearful.

You say stupid shit like that, not when it is true, but when you are desperate to distract from how little you can say to support your position.


Exit polls are the Gold Standard of political polls. They showed that in 1996, the republican voters, along with a good sized chunk of Reagan Democrats, would have been happy to elect a black Republican President.


This of course, should be a moot historical point, because Powell choose not to run and very few blacks are even in the Republican Party.


But you can't admit it. Because you lib NEED your lie, that the Republican Party is terribly racist.


Because without that, you might have to make the case for your policies, based on their actual merits.


And you know, that you cannot.


You need to be able to cry "racist" and have the be the end of the debate.



Because, you know you can never win an actual, real debate.



That is what this is about. And you being a smug asshole about it, is just you being a smug asshole.

Dumbfuck, the thread questioned, "The First Black Republican Presidential Nominee Will Be....."

Someone who never ran for that office will NOT be that person.

Jeez, you're one mentally ill patient.

And I, and others pointed out, that the Republican HAVE the Presidency and the Vice Presidency. So it will be awhile before we have openings.


BUT, it is not because we are against the idea in principle. It has just not worked out that way yet.


Which was the point demonstrated by the Powell Exit Polls.


That was all explained. What part of that is too hard for you to understand?

The part where you delude yourself into believing a black man who never ran for president has a chance at being the first black Republican president.

I reject your pretense of you being too stupid to under stand the concept of linear time.


YOu are stupid, I will grant you that, but you are not so fucking profoundly retarded that you are too stupid to understand the concept that he had a very strong chance, at one time in the past.

That is my point. YOu are welcome to disagree with it, and explain why you disagree with it.


YOu are not welcome to pretend to be to stupid to read it and understand it. THAT IS NOT CREDIBLE. STOP FUCKING AROUND.

LOL

Dumbfuck, that's not what this thread asked. It didn't ask, which black wasn't nominated by the Republican party -- it asked who will be the first. Powell never ran, so Powell will not be the first. We're still waiting for the first. Maybe that will come in about another hundred years are so. In the meantime, buzz your nurse to come change your drool cup.

Trump is likely to be re-elected in 2020. THat's four more years right there. And Pence will almost certainly be the next candidate, so that's another four years after THAT.


And if he wins, it could be TWELVE years, until the next opening.

AND, actually, 16, because he would run for re-election, and likely lose.


It is pretty silly to try to guess that far ahead.


BUt it is worth noting, that the REASON FOR THE DELAY, IS NOT ONE OF PRINCIPLE, BUT JUST THE WAY IT WORKED OUT, AS DEMONSTRATED BY THE 96 EXIT POLLS.

LOLOL

You're literally making up this shit as you go along. It's not a given Impeached Trump will win this year. Even if he does, who knows if Pence will run in 2024. Going back to Carter, 3 VP's ran in the ensuing election and 3 did not. And even if Pence ran, you don't know that he would win. You also don't know who else might run against him, if that were to happen.

So now you're just inventing silly excuses for why the GOP has never nominated a black candidate.

How sad.

Hoping the sitting President is re-elected is not silly.

It happens a lot.

I would never offer you an "excuse" on ANYTHING. "Excuse" indicates I think that words or reason can effect your hate of anyone who stands in your way. We both know that is not true.


The OP, as admitted by the man that made it, is all about just smearing the GOP as racist.


Which it is not.

As demonstrated by the 96 exit polls, showing that Republican voters were fine with the idea of a Republican Black President.


That is the point of the thread and my refuting it, right there.

Why do you keep deflecting??

I never admitted anything....

What has been admitted is that your inability to answer my question is EVIDENCE of your own party's racism....


If someone were to ask a "liberal voter" whom do they feel would make a good black Democrat presidential candidate -- they are not going to go on some long diatribe making excuses for what Democrats did 100 years ago....they are just going to name possible candidates -- many of which are probably candidates who are ALREADY elected to public office.....

The dem party has the vast majority of potential candidates.

That the few blacks that are in the party, are so far down the list of potential candidates that I don't know their names, is not evidence of racism.


If you had asked this question in summer, 1996, I would have had an excellent answer, one a good number of my friends were quite excited about.


Does that mean to you, that in 1996, the GOP was not "racist", cause we would have had a name?


YOur position, is nothing but partisan hackery and race baiting.


Does it bother you that the potential black candidates all lost in the dem primaries? Is that evidence of "Racism" or just that Biden won?

You keep bringing up 1996 as to say "that one time, we would have supported a black guy" -- because of some poll...

But what you don't mention is -- the candidates who actually got the MOST VOTES -- you of all people should be the last to tell me about polls as opposed to actual votes...

Bob Dole got the most votes...but the guy who had so much support that he didn't drop out until the convention is who??

Pat Buchanan......do we need to go on about his record on race??

Your position, if I understand it correctly, is that the REpublican Party has been the party of Evul White Racism since the "Southern Strategy" was implemented sometime in the 60s when we shitcanned the black voters and starting pandering to the Evul white racist voters.


If that was true, the GOP voters would not have been willing to support a black man to be the most powerful man in the world.


That "some poll" demonstrates a behavior in GOP voters, that conflicts with your version of who we are.


Patrick Buchanan? He's a little off topic if your topic is "black presidential candidates". Not so much if all this is is race baiting from you. Like I say it is. ANd you deny admitting it is.


So, you want to talk about Pat, or not?

 

[Correll]

We're used to you being wrong pretty much all the time. And whiny. And tearful.

You say stupid shit like that, not when it is true, but when you are desperate to distract from how little you can say to support your position.


Exit polls are the Gold Standard of political polls. They showed that in 1996, the republican voters, along with a good sized chunk of Reagan Democrats, would have been happy to elect a black Republican President.


This of course, should be a moot historical point, because Powell choose not to run and very few blacks are even in the Republican Party.


But you can't admit it. Because you lib NEED your lie, that the Republican Party is terribly racist.


Because without that, you might have to make the case for your policies, based on their actual merits.


And you know, that you cannot.


You need to be able to cry "racist" and have the be the end of the debate.



Because, you know you can never win an actual, real debate.



That is what this is about. And you being a smug asshole about it, is just you being a smug asshole.

Dumbfuck, the thread questioned, "The First Black Republican Presidential Nominee Will Be....."

Someone who never ran for that office will NOT be that person.

Jeez, you're one mentally ill patient.

And I, and others pointed out, that the Republican HAVE the Presidency and the Vice Presidency. So it will be awhile before we have openings.


BUT, it is not because we are against the idea in principle. It has just not worked out that way yet.


Which was the point demonstrated by the Powell Exit Polls.


That was all explained. What part of that is too hard for you to understand?

The part where you delude yourself into believing a black man who never ran for president has a chance at being the first black Republican president.

I reject your pretense of you being too stupid to under stand the concept of linear time.


YOu are stupid, I will grant you that, but you are not so fucking profoundly retarded that you are too stupid to understand the concept that he had a very strong chance, at one time in the past.

That is my point. YOu are welcome to disagree with it, and explain why you disagree with it.


YOu are not welcome to pretend to be to stupid to read it and understand it. THAT IS NOT CREDIBLE. STOP FUCKING AROUND.

LOL

Dumbfuck, that's not what this thread asked. It didn't ask, which black wasn't nominated by the Republican party -- it asked who will be the first. Powell never ran, so Powell will not be the first. We're still waiting for the first. Maybe that will come in about another hundred years are so. In the meantime, buzz your nurse to come change your drool cup.

Trump is likely to be re-elected in 2020. THat's four more years right there. And Pence will almost certainly be the next candidate, so that's another four years after THAT.


And if he wins, it could be TWELVE years, until the next opening.

AND, actually, 16, because he would run for re-election, and likely lose.


It is pretty silly to try to guess that far ahead.


BUt it is worth noting, that the REASON FOR THE DELAY, IS NOT ONE OF PRINCIPLE, BUT JUST THE WAY IT WORKED OUT, AS DEMONSTRATED BY THE 96 EXIT POLLS.

LOLOL

You're literally making up this shit as you go along. It's not a given Impeached Trump will win this year. Even if he does, who knows if Pence will run in 2024. Going back to Carter, 3 VP's ran in the ensuing election and 3 did not. And even if Pence ran, you don't know that he would win. You also don't know who else might run against him, if that were to happen.

So now you're just inventing silly excuses for why the GOP has never nominated a black candidate.

How sad.

Hoping the sitting President is re-elected is not silly.

It happens a lot.

I would never offer you an "excuse" on ANYTHING. "Excuse" indicates I think that words or reason can effect your hate of anyone who stands in your way. We both know that is not true.


The OP, as admitted by the man that made it, is all about just smearing the GOP as racist.


Which it is not.

As demonstrated by the 96 exit polls, showing that Republican voters were fine with the idea of a Republican Black President.


That is the point of the thread and my refuting it, right there.

Why do you keep deflecting??

I never admitted anything....

What has been admitted is that your inability to answer my question is EVIDENCE of your own party's racism....


If someone were to ask a "liberal voter" whom do they feel would make a good black Democrat presidential candidate -- they are not going to go on some long diatribe making excuses for what Democrats did 100 years ago....they are just going to name possible candidates -- many of which are probably candidates who are ALREADY elected to public office.....

The dem party has the vast majority of potential candidates.

That the few blacks that are in the party, are so far down the list of potential candidates that I don't know their names, is not evidence of racism.


If you had asked this question in summer, 1996, I would have had an excellent answer, one a good number of my friends were quite excited about.


Does that mean to you, that in 1996, the GOP was not "racist", cause we would have had a name?


YOur position, is nothing but partisan hackery and race baiting.


Does it bother you that the potential black candidates all lost in the dem primaries? Is that evidence of "Racism" or just that Biden won?

You keep bringing up 1996 as to say "that one time, we would have supported a black guy" -- because of some poll...

But what you don't mention is -- the candidates who actually got the MOST VOTES -- you of all people should be the last to tell me about polls as opposed to actual votes...

Bob Dole got the most votes...but the guy who had so much support that he didn't drop out until the convention is who??

Pat Buchanan......do we need to go on about his record on race??

And I bet Correll supported Buchanan.

Damn straight I did. The world would be such a better place if HE had won. But, it is off topic, in a thread about black presidential candidates.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Republicans struggle to elect blacks to Congress. Electing one as president won't happen in this century.

I don't know why this is an issue for Democrats in the first place since they don't like conservatives anyway. If you don't like conservatives or conservative values, you're not going to like a black Republican. And if a black Republican does get nominated, it's unlikely he/she would be elected and Democrats would be largely responsible for this. The reason being because a lot of black Democrats already consider conservative blacks as sellouts and Uncle Toms.

All of this nonsense about black Republican presidential nominees is just farting in a hurricane. Speaking for myself, I don't care how many blacks the Republican party has. A black person will either choose to be Republican or not, I don't give a shit and I don't want some kind of quota. If the Republican party doesn't have what a black person wants, shut the fuck up and become a Democrat. Same goes for white people.

So a black Republican can't get elected without support from Democrats?

Thanks for admitting that many Republicans and conservatives are racist. I already knew that but it's nice to see your side admit it.

Colin Powell would have easily defeated Bill Clinton according to exit polls in 1996. I would have happily voted for him against Bill Clinton. Some of my republican friends were really big fans of his.

That not many blacks would likely have crossed party lines, would not have mattered, and actually, imo, would have been a good thing.

I don't know why Ghost thinks that a black republican candidate would not win, or could not win without black dem voters. But he is incorrect.

LOL

If he's incorrect, where is the black Republican president? ...

Colin Powell did not run because he did not have a "passion for politics". That is where the most recent chance of a black republican President went.


Can you blame him? You libs are fucking nightmares to deal with.

Take the log out of your eye, you rightards are also nightmares.

So, you admit it. THe primary reason that Colin Power did not run, was him not wanting the job.


Can you admit that he would have been a strong contender for the nomination, if he had run, as the polling showed?

I admitted nothing about Powell, ya flaming moron. I didn't follow Powell to know if he was or was not thinking about running; or if so, why not.

YOur defense to "you libs make the job not a good choice" was, "you too".


That is an admission that you libs make the job not desirable.



You choose to enter a thread on Black Republican Presidents while being ignorant on the most likely to get elected potential candidate ever?


LOL!!! Well, that is completely credible for a lib. I accept your defense of ignorance.


You can either trust me on this, or go read up on it, and get back to me when you are caught up. Plenty on this issue online.

Your call.

"YOur defense to "you libs make the job not a good choice" was, "you too"."

So? Are you so blind you can't see both sides attack each other in the manner you only cry about the left?

"You choose to enter a thread on Black Republican Presidents while being ignorant on the most likely to get elected potential candidate ever?"

You said he had no passion for politics. That's your idea of the most likely black Republican to get elected? Ever???

Do you even have an idea of how stupid you sound?

Dude. Your defense is ignorance. You've admitted to being ignorant on the subject.


Go educate yourself. It will only take a few minutes.

Colin Powell - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"Powell's experience in military matters made him a very popular figure with both American political parties. Many Democrats admired his moderate stance on military matters, while many Republicans saw him as a great asset associated with the successes of past Republican administrations. Put forth as a potential Democratic Vice Presidential nominee in the 1992 U.S. presidential election[43] or even potentially replacing Vice President Dan Quayle as the Republican Vice Presidential nominee,[44] Powell eventually declared himself a Republican and began to campaign for Republican candidates in 1995.[45][46] He was touted as a possible opponent of Bill Clinton in the 1996 U.S. presidential election, possibly capitalizing on a split conservative vote in Iowa[47] and even leading New Hampshire polls for the GOP nomination,[48] but Powell declined, citing a lack of passion for politics.[49] Powell defeated Clinton 50–38 in a hypothetical match-up proposed to voters in the exit polls conducted on Election Day.[50] Despite not standing in the race, Powell won the Republican New Hampshire Vice-Presidential primary on write-in votes.[51] "

LOLOLOL

Moron, you're literally claiming your best shot at electing a Black Republican is someone who never ran for office nor wanted to.

Exit polls showed him winning handily over Bill Clinton, as a Republican with the Republican voters very strongly supporting him.


That right there refutes the point of the op, ie that republicans are racist that is why no black republican presidents.

Exit polls are meaningless when the topic is someone who's not running.

Still -- you claim your best shot to get a black Republican as president is someone who didn't want the job.

Exit polls are the Gold Standard of polls. They ask the person who they would vote for minutes after the point of voting, and they only get data from voters.


The high numbers that Powell got, showed that Republicans were ready for a black President back in 1996, and considering the strength of the results, well before that.


That alone refutes the point of the op, that the lack of black Republican Presidents is caused by "racism".

I didn't say exit polls are meaningless -- I said that one question is meaningless. Saying you'd vote for someone who's not running doesn't actually prove Republicans would have elected a black.

When an absolute majority of voters, primary made of republicans say they would have voted for a black republican, it does.


And that refutes the point of the op.

LOL

Saying you will vote for someone who's not running means nothing since that still doesn't get a black Republican elected. You remain an abject imbecile.

It demonstrates that the Republican Party has been ready for a Black President, decades ago.


That is relevant to the discussion, when so many lefties like to pretend to believe that the reason for the lack of black republicans or black republican presidents, is gop racism.


Hard data shows that that is a race baiting lie, made by vile liars.

and I assume the reason why there is such overwhelming support by black voters for the Democrat party is because of Democrat racism??

You know, there is also overwhelming support for the Democrat party on behalf of Jewish voters too...is that because of Democrat Anti-Semitism??

If your friend told you that there was a party happening tonight and there were gonna be a bunch of ladies there -- then when you get there -- its only one lady there and 400 guys -- would that still be considered a party with a bunch of ladies there?

Nope. NOt at all. But it is not because the guys are fags who don't like the ladies.


Have you never been at a party, where there was as dearth of women, and it was not because the men there disliked women?


Why are you pretending to be stupid about this?

If you are going to deflect this badly -- just don't comment at all...

You purposely avoided 99% of what I said just to focus on the fact, you attended parties with no ladies there....most conservatives have...

But that is for your therapist to work thru with you.....

You took my point, that the lack of black republicans is not because of republican racism, and turned it into a strawman.


ie that my point somehow implied that the dems were. Which does not follow.


The republican party not having anti-black racism, in no way implies that the dems DO.


Watch this. I don't believe in bigfoot.


Does that statement read to you, like I am accusing you of believing in bigfoot?



My point stands. THere are reasons that we have not had a black republican president, yet. GOP racism is not one of those reasons.


AS proved by the 96 exit polls.

Let's cut to the chase.....

The reason there are so few black people voting republican, is the same reason why there are so few black people elected as republicans, and that its the same reason so many of you folks here have had a difficult time answering my question...

The reason is in large part due to the historical racism of conservatives....both in rhetoric and most importantly in POLICY....And those conservatives of course, now happens to be predominantly affiliated with the republican party...

This is why 2 republican party chairmen had to issue apologies and offer mea culpas to try to own up to this reality....and when they did, they were attacked and ran out of their positions.....but I will let a black republican explain this to you himself...

“For the last 40-plus years we had a 'Southern Strategy' that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South" -- The genteel phrase dates back to Nixon aide Kevin Phillips, who explained to The New York Times in 1970: “From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that.”

Michael Steele on Why African-Americans Should Vote Republican: âYou Really Don't Have a Reason to, to Be Honestâ

From Wonkette.On Tuesday, No. 1 successful adult Michael Steele, current chairman of the Republican National Committee, described the G.O.P.’s political offensive thusly: “For the last 40-plus years we had a 'Southern Strategy' that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male...

www.vanityfair.com

Remember, this guy was attacked for issuing an apology for use of the "Southern Strategy" -- he lost his position as GOP chairman even tho he helped republicans win more seats since 1928 and broke fund raising records.....and he still remains a republican because to him, the current racism of his party isn't a deal breaker for him....for many other black voters, it is a deal breaker...

THAK YOU!

These racists don't want to admit we are smarter than white racists and that we have decided en masse to not join a party full of racists. They'll get 2-3 percent of black people, because there are 2-3 percent of blacks who are dumb enough to ignore the racism. But until the republican party changes its leadership and begins rejecting its base to honestly reach out to black voters, thing will remain as they are, at least on the national level.

The 96 exit polls prove that the GOP is not full of racists. Racists would not be happy with the idea of a black man as President.

Your position is stupid.

By the way....what do those "republican voters" think about Collin Powell now??

When you morons are trotting out minstrels like Candace Owens as saviors of the "black conservative" movement -- how come no one is talking to Alan Keyes, JC Watts, the ones you told us where supposed to be saviors of the movement....

And why have you avoided what I said that not 1, but 2 republican party chairman apologized for using the racist southern strategy during the 60's, 70's on into the 80's...were they lying??

GOP renounces '60s racial strategy / Party chair says using divisive issues to win white vote was wrong

GOP renounces '60s racial strategy / Party chair says using divisive issues to win white...

www.sfgate.com

RNC Chair Michael Steele Confesses to Race-Based Southern Strategy

Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele made an admission, this week, that was both stunning and obvious. Speaking to a group of DePaul University students, Steele was asked why a black person should vote for a Republican. In responding, Steele put on the record the political...

www.mediaite.com

1. Since his betrayal? NOt much. Which does not change the fact that before his betrayal, republicans were really wanted him to run and be President, thus disproving your claim of racism.

2. Ever clip of Candice I see, she is kicking some libs ass. I don't see her as a savior of "black conservativism" so much as just a great conservative. I hope she sticks around forever, and keeps kicking lib ass. If she ever chooses to run for anything, I hope she does well.

3. Alan Keyes was set up for failure by the asshole Country Club Republicans, and flamed out. They did not do it because they are racist assholes, but because they are elitists assholes, who don't like hard core conservatives. YOu do understand that, right?

4. I'm not sure what happened with Watts.

5. I did not avoid it. I addressed it. THey were wrong to do so, and I support that fact that the one paid a price for his stupidity. THe Southern Strategy was a myth. The South became less racist and as that happened, it also became less democratic. Perhaps a coincidence.

If 2 DNC chairmen came out and issued a statement like that about Democrats -- would you say they were lying, would say it was a mistake, that it's a myth -- or would you be holding it up as proof of something??

Not only did those GOP chairmen issue apologies, then they went on to substantiate those apologies with actual FACTS of what THEIR PARTY ACTUALLY DID..

I just gave you the statement made by Nixon's advisor who ADMITTED that they lost "Negro" support due to the passage of the Civil Rights Act -- why would he feel that??

Furthermore, that has been the Republican strategy every since then -- to disregard the importance of growing the black vote by their policies -- and instead rely on enough self hating black folks to vote for them irregardless of their insistence on appealing to the racist white vote -- which they value over the black vote...period...

For some black republicans who mainly care about getting a possible tax cut if they are in a certain tax bracket -- they can ignore the racism...for some black republicans, there is a self hatred among them that getting that pat on the head for white folks is enough for them to put on a minstrel show

But the overwhelming majority of others -- their dignity and the sacrifices of those before them prevents them from being a minstrel for the edification of folks like you -- who can't even bring themselves to acknowledge that black person's reality because it makes you feel butt hurt...

1. So, you accept my point about the way the Powell support disproves your claims of gop racism? Cause brought it up and then dropped it immediately.


2. IF two DNC chairman did something like that, I would certainly present it as EVIDENCE of the thing they apologized for. But if the lefty I was talking to, claimed that they were wrong to do so, then I would take steps to prove that they were right to do so. It is time for you to give your single strongest point as evidence of the "Southern Strategy". No gish galloping bullshit please.


3. At a guess, I would think that the Nixon advisor was thinking of the way that Johnson was getting the credit for signing the bill, even though it has strong bi-partisan support in Congress.

4. The GOP did nothing for the "racist white vote", that is just you being a race baiting asshole.

5. The black vote began shifting to the dems, under FDR, in the 30s, because of the New Deal programs, a good thirty years before the dems stopped being the Party of Jim Crow. So, it was not "republican racism" that moved that change.

1. -- No I do not accept that point because of the point someone else pointed out earlier -- that you still haven't addressed.....

2. Not only was what the GOP chairmen admitted, evidence...I then went on to substantiate that further -- but since you suffer from cognitive dissonance and think gaslighting is a debate tactic -- you ignore all of the evidence and keep arguing bullshit..which is why everyone has slapped you up and down this post.....

3. That Nixon advisor was talking about the southern strategy...the same thing 2 GOP chairmen apologized for......LBJ got credit for signing the bill, but LBJ died decades ago...so my guess is that black voters continued to vote democrat because of the POLICIES, not because of LBJ or any other "PERSON" -- morons like you fixate on people and personalities because you know policy wise, you don't offer much to those black voters you have such disdain for...

4. Yes, the GOP did do much for the racist white vote.....here is another piece of evidence from another GOP strategist that you will most likely ignore because it will blow your delusions out of the water...again....there is a reason why what Lee Atwater said is so famous....first..because he was Reagan's advisor....and second.....because it is 1000% backed up by FACTS and republican policy....

5. And here is when you morons start twisting yourselves into pretzels...."Democrats stopped being the party of Jim Crow" --- yes they did....conservatives didn't....one party was more open to appeasing those racist conservatives than the other.....So in other words, blacks supported policies and voted based on those policies...and because of that, its morons like you who call those black voters "slaves on a plantation" for voting for policies they support.....


I don't waste my time slapping you around because I think it will illicit an admission of wrong from you -- I do it so you will be reminded as to why that bullshit you running ain't working when it comes to your party growing the black vote...now go bathe or do something constructive

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

We're used to you being wrong pretty much all the time. And whiny. And tearful.

You say stupid shit like that, not when it is true, but when you are desperate to distract from how little you can say to support your position.


Exit polls are the Gold Standard of political polls. They showed that in 1996, the republican voters, along with a good sized chunk of Reagan Democrats, would have been happy to elect a black Republican President.


This of course, should be a moot historical point, because Powell choose not to run and very few blacks are even in the Republican Party.


But you can't admit it. Because you lib NEED your lie, that the Republican Party is terribly racist.


Because without that, you might have to make the case for your policies, based on their actual merits.


And you know, that you cannot.


You need to be able to cry "racist" and have the be the end of the debate.



Because, you know you can never win an actual, real debate.



That is what this is about. And you being a smug asshole about it, is just you being a smug asshole.

Dumbfuck, the thread questioned, "The First Black Republican Presidential Nominee Will Be....."

Someone who never ran for that office will NOT be that person.

Jeez, you're one mentally ill patient.

And I, and others pointed out, that the Republican HAVE the Presidency and the Vice Presidency. So it will be awhile before we have openings.


BUT, it is not because we are against the idea in principle. It has just not worked out that way yet.


Which was the point demonstrated by the Powell Exit Polls.


That was all explained. What part of that is too hard for you to understand?

The part where you delude yourself into believing a black man who never ran for president has a chance at being the first black Republican president.

I reject your pretense of you being too stupid to under stand the concept of linear time.


YOu are stupid, I will grant you that, but you are not so fucking profoundly retarded that you are too stupid to understand the concept that he had a very strong chance, at one time in the past.

That is my point. YOu are welcome to disagree with it, and explain why you disagree with it.


YOu are not welcome to pretend to be to stupid to read it and understand it. THAT IS NOT CREDIBLE. STOP FUCKING AROUND.

LOL

Dumbfuck, that's not what this thread asked. It didn't ask, which black wasn't nominated by the Republican party -- it asked who will be the first. Powell never ran, so Powell will not be the first. We're still waiting for the first. Maybe that will come in about another hundred years are so. In the meantime, buzz your nurse to come change your drool cup.

Trump is likely to be re-elected in 2020. THat's four more years right there. And Pence will almost certainly be the next candidate, so that's another four years after THAT.


And if he wins, it could be TWELVE years, until the next opening.

AND, actually, 16, because he would run for re-election, and likely lose.


It is pretty silly to try to guess that far ahead.


BUt it is worth noting, that the REASON FOR THE DELAY, IS NOT ONE OF PRINCIPLE, BUT JUST THE WAY IT WORKED OUT, AS DEMONSTRATED BY THE 96 EXIT POLLS.

LOLOL

You're literally making up this shit as you go along. It's not a given Impeached Trump will win this year. Even if he does, who knows if Pence will run in 2024. Going back to Carter, 3 VP's ran in the ensuing election and 3 did not. And even if Pence ran, you don't know that he would win. You also don't know who else might run against him, if that were to happen.

So now you're just inventing silly excuses for why the GOP has never nominated a black candidate.

How sad.

Hoping the sitting President is re-elected is not silly.

It happens a lot.

I would never offer you an "excuse" on ANYTHING. "Excuse" indicates I think that words or reason can effect your hate of anyone who stands in your way. We both know that is not true.


The OP, as admitted by the man that made it, is all about just smearing the GOP as racist.


Which it is not.

As demonstrated by the 96 exit polls, showing that Republican voters were fine with the idea of a Republican Black President.


That is the point of the thread and my refuting it, right there.

Why do you keep deflecting??

I never admitted anything....

What has been admitted is that your inability to answer my question is EVIDENCE of your own party's racism....


If someone were to ask a "liberal voter" whom do they feel would make a good black Democrat presidential candidate -- they are not going to go on some long diatribe making excuses for what Democrats did 100 years ago....they are just going to name possible candidates -- many of which are probably candidates who are ALREADY elected to public office.....

The dem party has the vast majority of potential candidates.

That the few blacks that are in the party, are so far down the list of potential candidates that I don't know their names, is not evidence of racism.


If you had asked this question in summer, 1996, I would have had an excellent answer, one a good number of my friends were quite excited about.


Does that mean to you, that in 1996, the GOP was not "racist", cause we would have had a name?


YOur position, is nothing but partisan hackery and race baiting.


Does it bother you that the potential black candidates all lost in the dem primaries? Is that evidence of "Racism" or just that Biden won?

You keep bringing up 1996 as to say "that one time, we would have supported a black guy" -- because of some poll...

But what you don't mention is -- the candidates who actually got the MOST VOTES -- you of all people should be the last to tell me about polls as opposed to actual votes...

Bob Dole got the most votes...but the guy who had so much support that he didn't drop out until the convention is who??

Pat Buchanan......do we need to go on about his record on race??

Your position, if I understand it correctly, is that the REpublican Party has been the party of Evul White Racism since the "Southern Strategy" was implemented sometime in the 60s when we shitcanned the black voters and starting pandering to the Evul white racist voters.


If that was true, the GOP voters would not have been willing to support a black man to be the most powerful man in the world.


That "some poll" demonstrates a behavior in GOP voters, that conflicts with your version of who we are.


Patrick Buchanan? He's a little off topic if your topic is "black presidential candidates". Not so much if all this is is race baiting from you. Like I say it is. ANd you deny admitting it is.


So, you want to talk about Pat, or not?

Conservatives care about power....they would nominate a black man if they thought he would help them win.....but since they have not, they still don't think one will help them win...

because the minute that "black man" goes off script and tells the truth about the racist nature of the conservative doctrine -- they call them traitors....just like you did Collin Powelll

Which tells me, you take black candidates as being nothing but a monkey in a suit for your entertainment -- as long as they don't sing a song you don't like....

 

[Correll]

Republicans struggle to elect blacks to Congress. Electing one as president won't happen in this century.

I don't know why this is an issue for Democrats in the first place since they don't like conservatives anyway. If you don't like conservatives or conservative values, you're not going to like a black Republican. And if a black Republican does get nominated, it's unlikely he/she would be elected and Democrats would be largely responsible for this. The reason being because a lot of black Democrats already consider conservative blacks as sellouts and Uncle Toms.

All of this nonsense about black Republican presidential nominees is just farting in a hurricane. Speaking for myself, I don't care how many blacks the Republican party has. A black person will either choose to be Republican or not, I don't give a shit and I don't want some kind of quota. If the Republican party doesn't have what a black person wants, shut the fuck up and become a Democrat. Same goes for white people.

So a black Republican can't get elected without support from Democrats?

Thanks for admitting that many Republicans and conservatives are racist. I already knew that but it's nice to see your side admit it.

Colin Powell would have easily defeated Bill Clinton according to exit polls in 1996. I would have happily voted for him against Bill Clinton. Some of my republican friends were really big fans of his.

That not many blacks would likely have crossed party lines, would not have mattered, and actually, imo, would have been a good thing.

I don't know why Ghost thinks that a black republican candidate would not win, or could not win without black dem voters. But he is incorrect.

LOL

If he's incorrect, where is the black Republican president? ...

Colin Powell did not run because he did not have a "passion for politics". That is where the most recent chance of a black republican President went.


Can you blame him? You libs are fucking nightmares to deal with.

Take the log out of your eye, you rightards are also nightmares.

So, you admit it. THe primary reason that Colin Power did not run, was him not wanting the job.


Can you admit that he would have been a strong contender for the nomination, if he had run, as the polling showed?

I admitted nothing about Powell, ya flaming moron. I didn't follow Powell to know if he was or was not thinking about running; or if so, why not.

YOur defense to "you libs make the job not a good choice" was, "you too".


That is an admission that you libs make the job not desirable.



You choose to enter a thread on Black Republican Presidents while being ignorant on the most likely to get elected potential candidate ever?


LOL!!! Well, that is completely credible for a lib. I accept your defense of ignorance.


You can either trust me on this, or go read up on it, and get back to me when you are caught up. Plenty on this issue online.

Your call.

"YOur defense to "you libs make the job not a good choice" was, "you too"."

So? Are you so blind you can't see both sides attack each other in the manner you only cry about the left?

"You choose to enter a thread on Black Republican Presidents while being ignorant on the most likely to get elected potential candidate ever?"

You said he had no passion for politics. That's your idea of the most likely black Republican to get elected? Ever???

Do you even have an idea of how stupid you sound?

Dude. Your defense is ignorance. You've admitted to being ignorant on the subject.


Go educate yourself. It will only take a few minutes.

Colin Powell - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"Powell's experience in military matters made him a very popular figure with both American political parties. Many Democrats admired his moderate stance on military matters, while many Republicans saw him as a great asset associated with the successes of past Republican administrations. Put forth as a potential Democratic Vice Presidential nominee in the 1992 U.S. presidential election[43] or even potentially replacing Vice President Dan Quayle as the Republican Vice Presidential nominee,[44] Powell eventually declared himself a Republican and began to campaign for Republican candidates in 1995.[45][46] He was touted as a possible opponent of Bill Clinton in the 1996 U.S. presidential election, possibly capitalizing on a split conservative vote in Iowa[47] and even leading New Hampshire polls for the GOP nomination,[48] but Powell declined, citing a lack of passion for politics.[49] Powell defeated Clinton 50–38 in a hypothetical match-up proposed to voters in the exit polls conducted on Election Day.[50] Despite not standing in the race, Powell won the Republican New Hampshire Vice-Presidential primary on write-in votes.[51] "

LOLOLOL

Moron, you're literally claiming your best shot at electing a Black Republican is someone who never ran for office nor wanted to.

Exit polls showed him winning handily over Bill Clinton, as a Republican with the Republican voters very strongly supporting him.


That right there refutes the point of the op, ie that republicans are racist that is why no black republican presidents.

Exit polls are meaningless when the topic is someone who's not running.

Still -- you claim your best shot to get a black Republican as president is someone who didn't want the job.

Exit polls are the Gold Standard of polls. They ask the person who they would vote for minutes after the point of voting, and they only get data from voters.


The high numbers that Powell got, showed that Republicans were ready for a black President back in 1996, and considering the strength of the results, well before that.


That alone refutes the point of the op, that the lack of black Republican Presidents is caused by "racism".

I didn't say exit polls are meaningless -- I said that one question is meaningless. Saying you'd vote for someone who's not running doesn't actually prove Republicans would have elected a black.

When an absolute majority of voters, primary made of republicans say they would have voted for a black republican, it does.


And that refutes the point of the op.

LOL

Saying you will vote for someone who's not running means nothing since that still doesn't get a black Republican elected. You remain an abject imbecile.

It demonstrates that the Republican Party has been ready for a Black President, decades ago.


That is relevant to the discussion, when so many lefties like to pretend to believe that the reason for the lack of black republicans or black republican presidents, is gop racism.


Hard data shows that that is a race baiting lie, made by vile liars.

and I assume the reason why there is such overwhelming support by black voters for the Democrat party is because of Democrat racism??

You know, there is also overwhelming support for the Democrat party on behalf of Jewish voters too...is that because of Democrat Anti-Semitism??

If your friend told you that there was a party happening tonight and there were gonna be a bunch of ladies there -- then when you get there -- its only one lady there and 400 guys -- would that still be considered a party with a bunch of ladies there?

Nope. NOt at all. But it is not because the guys are fags who don't like the ladies.


Have you never been at a party, where there was as dearth of women, and it was not because the men there disliked women?


Why are you pretending to be stupid about this?

If you are going to deflect this badly -- just don't comment at all...

You purposely avoided 99% of what I said just to focus on the fact, you attended parties with no ladies there....most conservatives have...

But that is for your therapist to work thru with you.....

You took my point, that the lack of black republicans is not because of republican racism, and turned it into a strawman.


ie that my point somehow implied that the dems were. Which does not follow.


The republican party not having anti-black racism, in no way implies that the dems DO.


Watch this. I don't believe in bigfoot.


Does that statement read to you, like I am accusing you of believing in bigfoot?



My point stands. THere are reasons that we have not had a black republican president, yet. GOP racism is not one of those reasons.


AS proved by the 96 exit polls.

Let's cut to the chase.....

The reason there are so few black people voting republican, is the same reason why there are so few black people elected as republicans, and that its the same reason so many of you folks here have had a difficult time answering my question...

The reason is in large part due to the historical racism of conservatives....both in rhetoric and most importantly in POLICY....And those conservatives of course, now happens to be predominantly affiliated with the republican party...

This is why 2 republican party chairmen had to issue apologies and offer mea culpas to try to own up to this reality....and when they did, they were attacked and ran out of their positions.....but I will let a black republican explain this to you himself...

“For the last 40-plus years we had a 'Southern Strategy' that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South" -- The genteel phrase dates back to Nixon aide Kevin Phillips, who explained to The New York Times in 1970: “From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that.”

Michael Steele on Why African-Americans Should Vote Republican: âYou Really Don't Have a Reason to, to Be Honestâ

From Wonkette.On Tuesday, No. 1 successful adult Michael Steele, current chairman of the Republican National Committee, described the G.O.P.’s political offensive thusly: “For the last 40-plus years we had a 'Southern Strategy' that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male...

www.vanityfair.com

Remember, this guy was attacked for issuing an apology for use of the "Southern Strategy" -- he lost his position as GOP chairman even tho he helped republicans win more seats since 1928 and broke fund raising records.....and he still remains a republican because to him, the current racism of his party isn't a deal breaker for him....for many other black voters, it is a deal breaker...

First of all, thanks for admitting that this thread is just about smearing the Republican Party, as "racist". We all knew that. You don't care about the alleged "topic".


The 96 exit polls proves tha the republican voters of that time, were fine with having a Republican President who had black skin, and by and large were sorry it was not an option. Speaking as a republican, I can assure you that as a group, we would much rather had had Colin Powell as President than the white guy, Bill Fucking Clinton.

AND the republican voters, are generally MORE conservative than the moderate Country Club Republicans who run the GOP, as demonstrated by their hissy fit when Trump won.


There are reasons for the way that blacks vote. Historic gop "racism" is not one of them. That is just not true.

Those '96 exit polls show no such thing as that question was not broken down by political party.

Sure they weren't. Of course, there were plenty of polls showing high support for Powell among republican before that. And low support for him among black dems. And not a lot of dems willing to cross party lines to vote for him. Some, but the same old Reagan Dems, not anyone new.


So, when, just a few weeks later, the exit polls show him winning, if he had run,

of course, you would assume a sudden drop off in support from white republican and a massive increase in support from black and white dem voters to explain the crushing victory he would have won.


Because otherwise, you would have face the possibility that your whole world view is a pack of self delusional lies.

 

[Correll]

We're used to you being wrong pretty much all the time. And whiny. And tearful.

You say stupid shit like that, not when it is true, but when you are desperate to distract from how little you can say to support your position.


Exit polls are the Gold Standard of political polls. They showed that in 1996, the republican voters, along with a good sized chunk of Reagan Democrats, would have been happy to elect a black Republican President.


This of course, should be a moot historical point, because Powell choose not to run and very few blacks are even in the Republican Party.


But you can't admit it. Because you lib NEED your lie, that the Republican Party is terribly racist.


Because without that, you might have to make the case for your policies, based on their actual merits.


And you know, that you cannot.


You need to be able to cry "racist" and have the be the end of the debate.



Because, you know you can never win an actual, real debate.



That is what this is about. And you being a smug asshole about it, is just you being a smug asshole.

Dumbfuck, the thread questioned, "The First Black Republican Presidential Nominee Will Be....."

Someone who never ran for that office will NOT be that person.

Jeez, you're one mentally ill patient.

And I, and others pointed out, that the Republican HAVE the Presidency and the Vice Presidency. So it will be awhile before we have openings.


BUT, it is not because we are against the idea in principle. It has just not worked out that way yet.


Which was the point demonstrated by the Powell Exit Polls.


That was all explained. What part of that is too hard for you to understand?

The part where you delude yourself into believing a black man who never ran for president has a chance at being the first black Republican president.

I reject your pretense of you being too stupid to under stand the concept of linear time.


YOu are stupid, I will grant you that, but you are not so fucking profoundly retarded that you are too stupid to understand the concept that he had a very strong chance, at one time in the past.

That is my point. YOu are welcome to disagree with it, and explain why you disagree with it.


YOu are not welcome to pretend to be to stupid to read it and understand it. THAT IS NOT CREDIBLE. STOP FUCKING AROUND.

LOL

Dumbfuck, that's not what this thread asked. It didn't ask, which black wasn't nominated by the Republican party -- it asked who will be the first. Powell never ran, so Powell will not be the first. We're still waiting for the first. Maybe that will come in about another hundred years are so. In the meantime, buzz your nurse to come change your drool cup.

Trump is likely to be re-elected in 2020. THat's four more years right there. And Pence will almost certainly be the next candidate, so that's another four years after THAT.


And if he wins, it could be TWELVE years, until the next opening.

AND, actually, 16, because he would run for re-election, and likely lose.


It is pretty silly to try to guess that far ahead.


BUt it is worth noting, that the REASON FOR THE DELAY, IS NOT ONE OF PRINCIPLE, BUT JUST THE WAY IT WORKED OUT, AS DEMONSTRATED BY THE 96 EXIT POLLS.

LOLOL

You're literally making up this shit as you go along. It's not a given Impeached Trump will win this year. Even if he does, who knows if Pence will run in 2024. Going back to Carter, 3 VP's ran in the ensuing election and 3 did not. And even if Pence ran, you don't know that he would win. You also don't know who else might run against him, if that were to happen.

So now you're just inventing silly excuses for why the GOP has never nominated a black candidate.

How sad.

Hoping the sitting President is re-elected is not silly.

It happens a lot.

I would never offer you an "excuse" on ANYTHING. "Excuse" indicates I think that words or reason can effect your hate of anyone who stands in your way. We both know that is not true.


The OP, as admitted by the man that made it, is all about just smearing the GOP as racist.


Which it is not.

As demonstrated by the 96 exit polls, showing that Republican voters were fine with the idea of a Republican Black President.


That is the point of the thread and my refuting it, right there.

"Hoping the sitting President is re-elected is not silly."

That's not what I pointed out was silly. Dayum, you're a fucking moron.

In my world, I am hoping that we republicans don't have an opening for the slot, until, 2032.


I can't predict who will be ready for prime time by then.


But, i can point out, that in the past, as a Party we have been ready for one, if one had been offered. Which if the point of this thread was just vile race baiting, that would refute the point of the thread.


If that is NOT the point of the thread, then my point about the 96 polls is moot, and you guys won't care about it enough to even dispute it.


Cause, it's irrelevant to candidates moving forward. So, why would you carer enough to fight over it?

 

[Correll]

Republicans struggle to elect blacks to Congress. Electing one as president won't happen in this century.

I don't know why this is an issue for Democrats in the first place since they don't like conservatives anyway. If you don't like conservatives or conservative values, you're not going to like a black Republican. And if a black Republican does get nominated, it's unlikely he/she would be elected and Democrats would be largely responsible for this. The reason being because a lot of black Democrats already consider conservative blacks as sellouts and Uncle Toms.

All of this nonsense about black Republican presidential nominees is just farting in a hurricane. Speaking for myself, I don't care how many blacks the Republican party has. A black person will either choose to be Republican or not, I don't give a shit and I don't want some kind of quota. If the Republican party doesn't have what a black person wants, shut the fuck up and become a Democrat. Same goes for white people.

So a black Republican can't get elected without support from Democrats?

Thanks for admitting that many Republicans and conservatives are racist. I already knew that but it's nice to see your side admit it.

Colin Powell would have easily defeated Bill Clinton according to exit polls in 1996. I would have happily voted for him against Bill Clinton. Some of my republican friends were really big fans of his.

That not many blacks would likely have crossed party lines, would not have mattered, and actually, imo, would have been a good thing.

I don't know why Ghost thinks that a black republican candidate would not win, or could not win without black dem voters. But he is incorrect.

LOL

If he's incorrect, where is the black Republican president? ...

Colin Powell did not run because he did not have a "passion for politics". That is where the most recent chance of a black republican President went.


Can you blame him? You libs are fucking nightmares to deal with.

Take the log out of your eye, you rightards are also nightmares.

So, you admit it. THe primary reason that Colin Power did not run, was him not wanting the job.


Can you admit that he would have been a strong contender for the nomination, if he had run, as the polling showed?

I admitted nothing about Powell, ya flaming moron. I didn't follow Powell to know if he was or was not thinking about running; or if so, why not.

YOur defense to "you libs make the job not a good choice" was, "you too".


That is an admission that you libs make the job not desirable.



You choose to enter a thread on Black Republican Presidents while being ignorant on the most likely to get elected potential candidate ever?


LOL!!! Well, that is completely credible for a lib. I accept your defense of ignorance.


You can either trust me on this, or go read up on it, and get back to me when you are caught up. Plenty on this issue online.

Your call.

"YOur defense to "you libs make the job not a good choice" was, "you too"."

So? Are you so blind you can't see both sides attack each other in the manner you only cry about the left?

"You choose to enter a thread on Black Republican Presidents while being ignorant on the most likely to get elected potential candidate ever?"

You said he had no passion for politics. That's your idea of the most likely black Republican to get elected? Ever???

Do you even have an idea of how stupid you sound?

Dude. Your defense is ignorance. You've admitted to being ignorant on the subject.


Go educate yourself. It will only take a few minutes.

Colin Powell - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"Powell's experience in military matters made him a very popular figure with both American political parties. Many Democrats admired his moderate stance on military matters, while many Republicans saw him as a great asset associated with the successes of past Republican administrations. Put forth as a potential Democratic Vice Presidential nominee in the 1992 U.S. presidential election[43] or even potentially replacing Vice President Dan Quayle as the Republican Vice Presidential nominee,[44] Powell eventually declared himself a Republican and began to campaign for Republican candidates in 1995.[45][46] He was touted as a possible opponent of Bill Clinton in the 1996 U.S. presidential election, possibly capitalizing on a split conservative vote in Iowa[47] and even leading New Hampshire polls for the GOP nomination,[48] but Powell declined, citing a lack of passion for politics.[49] Powell defeated Clinton 50–38 in a hypothetical match-up proposed to voters in the exit polls conducted on Election Day.[50] Despite not standing in the race, Powell won the Republican New Hampshire Vice-Presidential primary on write-in votes.[51] "

LOLOLOL

Moron, you're literally claiming your best shot at electing a Black Republican is someone who never ran for office nor wanted to.

Exit polls showed him winning handily over Bill Clinton, as a Republican with the Republican voters very strongly supporting him.


That right there refutes the point of the op, ie that republicans are racist that is why no black republican presidents.

Exit polls are meaningless when the topic is someone who's not running.

Still -- you claim your best shot to get a black Republican as president is someone who didn't want the job.

Exit polls are the Gold Standard of polls. They ask the person who they would vote for minutes after the point of voting, and they only get data from voters.


The high numbers that Powell got, showed that Republicans were ready for a black President back in 1996, and considering the strength of the results, well before that.


That alone refutes the point of the op, that the lack of black Republican Presidents is caused by "racism".

I didn't say exit polls are meaningless -- I said that one question is meaningless. Saying you'd vote for someone who's not running doesn't actually prove Republicans would have elected a black.

When an absolute majority of voters, primary made of republicans say they would have voted for a black republican, it does.


And that refutes the point of the op.

LOL

Saying you will vote for someone who's not running means nothing since that still doesn't get a black Republican elected. You remain an abject imbecile.

It demonstrates that the Republican Party has been ready for a Black President, decades ago.


That is relevant to the discussion, when so many lefties like to pretend to believe that the reason for the lack of black republicans or black republican presidents, is gop racism.


Hard data shows that that is a race baiting lie, made by vile liars.

and I assume the reason why there is such overwhelming support by black voters for the Democrat party is because of Democrat racism??

You know, there is also overwhelming support for the Democrat party on behalf of Jewish voters too...is that because of Democrat Anti-Semitism??

If your friend told you that there was a party happening tonight and there were gonna be a bunch of ladies there -- then when you get there -- its only one lady there and 400 guys -- would that still be considered a party with a bunch of ladies there?

Nope. NOt at all. But it is not because the guys are fags who don't like the ladies.


Have you never been at a party, where there was as dearth of women, and it was not because the men there disliked women?


Why are you pretending to be stupid about this?

If you are going to deflect this badly -- just don't comment at all...

You purposely avoided 99% of what I said just to focus on the fact, you attended parties with no ladies there....most conservatives have...

But that is for your therapist to work thru with you.....

You took my point, that the lack of black republicans is not because of republican racism, and turned it into a strawman.


ie that my point somehow implied that the dems were. Which does not follow.


The republican party not having anti-black racism, in no way implies that the dems DO.


Watch this. I don't believe in bigfoot.


Does that statement read to you, like I am accusing you of believing in bigfoot?



My point stands. THere are reasons that we have not had a black republican president, yet. GOP racism is not one of those reasons.


AS proved by the 96 exit polls.

Let's cut to the chase.....

The reason there are so few black people voting republican, is the same reason why there are so few black people elected as republicans, and that its the same reason so many of you folks here have had a difficult time answering my question...

The reason is in large part due to the historical racism of conservatives....both in rhetoric and most importantly in POLICY....And those conservatives of course, now happens to be predominantly affiliated with the republican party...

This is why 2 republican party chairmen had to issue apologies and offer mea culpas to try to own up to this reality....and when they did, they were attacked and ran out of their positions.....but I will let a black republican explain this to you himself...

“For the last 40-plus years we had a 'Southern Strategy' that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South" -- The genteel phrase dates back to Nixon aide Kevin Phillips, who explained to The New York Times in 1970: “From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that.”

Michael Steele on Why African-Americans Should Vote Republican: âYou Really Don't Have a Reason to, to Be Honestâ

From Wonkette.On Tuesday, No. 1 successful adult Michael Steele, current chairman of the Republican National Committee, described the G.O.P.’s political offensive thusly: “For the last 40-plus years we had a 'Southern Strategy' that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male...

www.vanityfair.com

Remember, this guy was attacked for issuing an apology for use of the "Southern Strategy" -- he lost his position as GOP chairman even tho he helped republicans win more seats since 1928 and broke fund raising records.....and he still remains a republican because to him, the current racism of his party isn't a deal breaker for him....for many other black voters, it is a deal breaker...

THAK YOU!

These racists don't want to admit we are smarter than white racists and that we have decided en masse to not join a party full of racists. They'll get 2-3 percent of black people, because there are 2-3 percent of blacks who are dumb enough to ignore the racism. But until the republican party changes its leadership and begins rejecting its base to honestly reach out to black voters, thing will remain as they are, at least on the national level.

The 96 exit polls prove that the GOP is not full of racists. Racists would not be happy with the idea of a black man as President.

Your position is stupid.

By the way....what do those "republican voters" think about Collin Powell now??

When you morons are trotting out minstrels like Candace Owens as saviors of the "black conservative" movement -- how come no one is talking to Alan Keyes, JC Watts, the ones you told us where supposed to be saviors of the movement....

And why have you avoided what I said that not 1, but 2 republican party chairman apologized for using the racist southern strategy during the 60's, 70's on into the 80's...were they lying??

GOP renounces '60s racial strategy / Party chair says using divisive issues to win white vote was wrong

GOP renounces '60s racial strategy / Party chair says using divisive issues to win white...

www.sfgate.com

RNC Chair Michael Steele Confesses to Race-Based Southern Strategy

Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele made an admission, this week, that was both stunning and obvious. Speaking to a group of DePaul University students, Steele was asked why a black person should vote for a Republican. In responding, Steele put on the record the political...

www.mediaite.com

1. Since his betrayal? NOt much. Which does not change the fact that before his betrayal, republicans were really wanted him to run and be President, thus disproving your claim of racism.

2. Ever clip of Candice I see, she is kicking some libs ass. I don't see her as a savior of "black conservativism" so much as just a great conservative. I hope she sticks around forever, and keeps kicking lib ass. If she ever chooses to run for anything, I hope she does well.

3. Alan Keyes was set up for failure by the asshole Country Club Republicans, and flamed out. They did not do it because they are racist assholes, but because they are elitists assholes, who don't like hard core conservatives. YOu do understand that, right?

4. I'm not sure what happened with Watts.

5. I did not avoid it. I addressed it. THey were wrong to do so, and I support that fact that the one paid a price for his stupidity. THe Southern Strategy was a myth. The South became less racist and as that happened, it also became less democratic. Perhaps a coincidence.

If 2 DNC chairmen came out and issued a statement like that about Democrats -- would you say they were lying, would say it was a mistake, that it's a myth -- or would you be holding it up as proof of something??

Not only did those GOP chairmen issue apologies, then they went on to substantiate those apologies with actual FACTS of what THEIR PARTY ACTUALLY DID..

I just gave you the statement made by Nixon's advisor who ADMITTED that they lost "Negro" support due to the passage of the Civil Rights Act -- why would he feel that??

Furthermore, that has been the Republican strategy every since then -- to disregard the importance of growing the black vote by their policies -- and instead rely on enough self hating black folks to vote for them irregardless of their insistence on appealing to the racist white vote -- which they value over the black vote...period...

For some black republicans who mainly care about getting a possible tax cut if they are in a certain tax bracket -- they can ignore the racism...for some black republicans, there is a self hatred among them that getting that pat on the head for white folks is enough for them to put on a minstrel show

But the overwhelming majority of others -- their dignity and the sacrifices of those before them prevents them from being a minstrel for the edification of folks like you -- who can't even bring themselves to acknowledge that black person's reality because it makes you feel butt hurt...

1. So, you accept my point about the way the Powell support disproves your claims of gop racism? Cause brought it up and then dropped it immediately.


2. IF two DNC chairman did something like that, I would certainly present it as EVIDENCE of the thing they apologized for. But if the lefty I was talking to, claimed that they were wrong to do so, then I would take steps to prove that they were right to do so. It is time for you to give your single strongest point as evidence of the "Southern Strategy". No gish galloping bullshit please.


3. At a guess, I would think that the Nixon advisor was thinking of the way that Johnson was getting the credit for signing the bill, even though it has strong bi-partisan support in Congress.

4. The GOP did nothing for the "racist white vote", that is just you being a race baiting asshole.

5. The black vote began shifting to the dems, under FDR, in the 30s, because of the New Deal programs, a good thirty years before the dems stopped being the Party of Jim Crow. So, it was not "republican racism" that moved that change.

1. -- No I do not accept that point because of the point someone else pointed out earlier -- that you still haven't addressed.....

2. Not only was what the GOP chairmen admitted, evidence...I then went on to substantiate that further -- but since you suffer from cognitive dissonance and think gaslighting is a debate tactic -- you ignore all of the evidence and keep arguing bullshit..which is why everyone has slapped you up and down this post.....

3. That Nixon advisor was talking about the southern strategy...the same thing 2 GOP chairmen apologized for......LBJ got credit for signing the bill, but LBJ died decades ago...so my guess is that black voters continued to vote democrat because of the POLICIES, not because of LBJ or any other "PERSON" -- morons like you fixate on people and personalities because you know policy wise, you don't offer much to those black voters you have such disdain for...

4. Yes, the GOP did do much for the racist white vote.....here is another piece of evidence from another GOP strategist that you will most likely ignore because it will blow your delusions out of the water...again....there is a reason why what Lee Atwater said is so famous....first..because he was Reagan's advisor....and second.....because it is 1000% backed up by FACTS and republican policy....View attachment 315559


5. And here is when you morons start twisting yourselves into pretzels...."Democrats stopped being the party of Jim Crow" --- yes they did....conservatives didn't....one party was more open to appeasing those racist conservatives than the other.....So in other words, blacks supported policies and voted based on those policies...and because of that, its morons like you who call those black voters "slaves on a plantation" for voting for policies they support.....


I don't waste my time slapping you around because I think it will illicit an admission of wrong from you -- I do it so you will be reminded as to why that bullshit you running ain't working when it comes to your party growing the black vote...now go bathe or do something constructive

1. If the GOP was as racist as you claim, then the GOP voters would not have been supportive of a possible Powell President. The support showed by the gop voters for Powell, prove your accusations of racism wrong.


2. Steele was mistaken. He came along decades after the fact and was talking about shit he knew nothing about.

3. You are jumping all over the place here. Yes, Johnson got the credit for signing the bill, even though the republicans wrote it and supported it even more strongly than dems did. And you dems have been lying like that ever since.


4. Atwater,decades after the fact, talking about "Forced busing"? You know who enforced busing more than anyone else? Especially in the South? Richard Fucking Nixon. So much for pandering to the white racists. So much for Atwater.

5. We republicans were never the party of Jim Crow. YOu are full of shit.

 

[Faun]

Republicans struggle to elect blacks to Congress. Electing one as president won't happen in this century.

I don't know why this is an issue for Democrats in the first place since they don't like conservatives anyway. If you don't like conservatives or conservative values, you're not going to like a black Republican. And if a black Republican does get nominated, it's unlikely he/she would be elected and Democrats would be largely responsible for this. The reason being because a lot of black Democrats already consider conservative blacks as sellouts and Uncle Toms.

All of this nonsense about black Republican presidential nominees is just farting in a hurricane. Speaking for myself, I don't care how many blacks the Republican party has. A black person will either choose to be Republican or not, I don't give a shit and I don't want some kind of quota. If the Republican party doesn't have what a black person wants, shut the fuck up and become a Democrat. Same goes for white people.

So a black Republican can't get elected without support from Democrats?

Thanks for admitting that many Republicans and conservatives are racist. I already knew that but it's nice to see your side admit it.

Colin Powell would have easily defeated Bill Clinton according to exit polls in 1996. I would have happily voted for him against Bill Clinton. Some of my republican friends were really big fans of his.

That not many blacks would likely have crossed party lines, would not have mattered, and actually, imo, would have been a good thing.

I don't know why Ghost thinks that a black republican candidate would not win, or could not win without black dem voters. But he is incorrect.

LOL

If he's incorrect, where is the black Republican president? ...

Colin Powell did not run because he did not have a "passion for politics". That is where the most recent chance of a black republican President went.


Can you blame him? You libs are fucking nightmares to deal with.

Take the log out of your eye, you rightards are also nightmares.

So, you admit it. THe primary reason that Colin Power did not run, was him not wanting the job.


Can you admit that he would have been a strong contender for the nomination, if he had run, as the polling showed?

I admitted nothing about Powell, ya flaming moron. I didn't follow Powell to know if he was or was not thinking about running; or if so, why not.

YOur defense to "you libs make the job not a good choice" was, "you too".


That is an admission that you libs make the job not desirable.



You choose to enter a thread on Black Republican Presidents while being ignorant on the most likely to get elected potential candidate ever?


LOL!!! Well, that is completely credible for a lib. I accept your defense of ignorance.


You can either trust me on this, or go read up on it, and get back to me when you are caught up. Plenty on this issue online.

Your call.

"YOur defense to "you libs make the job not a good choice" was, "you too"."

So? Are you so blind you can't see both sides attack each other in the manner you only cry about the left?

"You choose to enter a thread on Black Republican Presidents while being ignorant on the most likely to get elected potential candidate ever?"

You said he had no passion for politics. That's your idea of the most likely black Republican to get elected? Ever???

Do you even have an idea of how stupid you sound?

Dude. Your defense is ignorance. You've admitted to being ignorant on the subject.


Go educate yourself. It will only take a few minutes.

Colin Powell - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"Powell's experience in military matters made him a very popular figure with both American political parties. Many Democrats admired his moderate stance on military matters, while many Republicans saw him as a great asset associated with the successes of past Republican administrations. Put forth as a potential Democratic Vice Presidential nominee in the 1992 U.S. presidential election[43] or even potentially replacing Vice President Dan Quayle as the Republican Vice Presidential nominee,[44] Powell eventually declared himself a Republican and began to campaign for Republican candidates in 1995.[45][46] He was touted as a possible opponent of Bill Clinton in the 1996 U.S. presidential election, possibly capitalizing on a split conservative vote in Iowa[47] and even leading New Hampshire polls for the GOP nomination,[48] but Powell declined, citing a lack of passion for politics.[49] Powell defeated Clinton 50–38 in a hypothetical match-up proposed to voters in the exit polls conducted on Election Day.[50] Despite not standing in the race, Powell won the Republican New Hampshire Vice-Presidential primary on write-in votes.[51] "

LOLOLOL

Moron, you're literally claiming your best shot at electing a Black Republican is someone who never ran for office nor wanted to.

Exit polls showed him winning handily over Bill Clinton, as a Republican with the Republican voters very strongly supporting him.


That right there refutes the point of the op, ie that republicans are racist that is why no black republican presidents.

Exit polls are meaningless when the topic is someone who's not running.

Still -- you claim your best shot to get a black Republican as president is someone who didn't want the job.

Exit polls are the Gold Standard of polls. They ask the person who they would vote for minutes after the point of voting, and they only get data from voters.


The high numbers that Powell got, showed that Republicans were ready for a black President back in 1996, and considering the strength of the results, well before that.


That alone refutes the point of the op, that the lack of black Republican Presidents is caused by "racism".

I didn't say exit polls are meaningless -- I said that one question is meaningless. Saying you'd vote for someone who's not running doesn't actually prove Republicans would have elected a black.

When an absolute majority of voters, primary made of republicans say they would have voted for a black republican, it does.


And that refutes the point of the op.

LOL

Saying you will vote for someone who's not running means nothing since that still doesn't get a black Republican elected. You remain an abject imbecile.

It demonstrates that the Republican Party has been ready for a Black President, decades ago.


That is relevant to the discussion, when so many lefties like to pretend to believe that the reason for the lack of black republicans or black republican presidents, is gop racism.


Hard data shows that that is a race baiting lie, made by vile liars.

and I assume the reason why there is such overwhelming support by black voters for the Democrat party is because of Democrat racism??

You know, there is also overwhelming support for the Democrat party on behalf of Jewish voters too...is that because of Democrat Anti-Semitism??

If your friend told you that there was a party happening tonight and there were gonna be a bunch of ladies there -- then when you get there -- its only one lady there and 400 guys -- would that still be considered a party with a bunch of ladies there?

Nope. NOt at all. But it is not because the guys are fags who don't like the ladies.


Have you never been at a party, where there was as dearth of women, and it was not because the men there disliked women?


Why are you pretending to be stupid about this?

If you are going to deflect this badly -- just don't comment at all...

You purposely avoided 99% of what I said just to focus on the fact, you attended parties with no ladies there....most conservatives have...

But that is for your therapist to work thru with you.....

You took my point, that the lack of black republicans is not because of republican racism, and turned it into a strawman.


ie that my point somehow implied that the dems were. Which does not follow.


The republican party not having anti-black racism, in no way implies that the dems DO.


Watch this. I don't believe in bigfoot.


Does that statement read to you, like I am accusing you of believing in bigfoot?



My point stands. THere are reasons that we have not had a black republican president, yet. GOP racism is not one of those reasons.


AS proved by the 96 exit polls.

Let's cut to the chase.....

The reason there are so few black people voting republican, is the same reason why there are so few black people elected as republicans, and that its the same reason so many of you folks here have had a difficult time answering my question...

The reason is in large part due to the historical racism of conservatives....both in rhetoric and most importantly in POLICY....And those conservatives of course, now happens to be predominantly affiliated with the republican party...

This is why 2 republican party chairmen had to issue apologies and offer mea culpas to try to own up to this reality....and when they did, they were attacked and ran out of their positions.....but I will let a black republican explain this to you himself...

“For the last 40-plus years we had a 'Southern Strategy' that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South" -- The genteel phrase dates back to Nixon aide Kevin Phillips, who explained to The New York Times in 1970: “From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that.”

Michael Steele on Why African-Americans Should Vote Republican: âYou Really Don't Have a Reason to, to Be Honestâ

From Wonkette.On Tuesday, No. 1 successful adult Michael Steele, current chairman of the Republican National Committee, described the G.O.P.’s political offensive thusly: “For the last 40-plus years we had a 'Southern Strategy' that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male...

www.vanityfair.com

Remember, this guy was attacked for issuing an apology for use of the "Southern Strategy" -- he lost his position as GOP chairman even tho he helped republicans win more seats since 1928 and broke fund raising records.....and he still remains a republican because to him, the current racism of his party isn't a deal breaker for him....for many other black voters, it is a deal breaker...

First of all, thanks for admitting that this thread is just about smearing the Republican Party, as "racist". We all knew that. You don't care about the alleged "topic".


The 96 exit polls proves tha the republican voters of that time, were fine with having a Republican President who had black skin, and by and large were sorry it was not an option. Speaking as a republican, I can assure you that as a group, we would much rather had had Colin Powell as President than the white guy, Bill Fucking Clinton.

AND the republican voters, are generally MORE conservative than the moderate Country Club Republicans who run the GOP, as demonstrated by their hissy fit when Trump won.


There are reasons for the way that blacks vote. Historic gop "racism" is not one of them. That is just not true.

Those '96 exit polls show no such thing as that question was not broken down by political party.

Sure they weren't. Of course, there were plenty of polls showing high support for Powell among republican before that. And low support for him among black dems. And not a lot of dems willing to cross party lines to vote for him. Some, but the same old Reagan Dems, not anyone new.


So, when, just a few weeks later, the exit polls show him winning, if he had run,

of course, you would assume a sudden drop off in support from white republican and a massive increase in support from black and white dem voters to explain the crushing victory he would have won.


Because otherwise, you would have face the possibility that your whole world view is a pack of self delusional lies.

Again, the exit polls don't reflect Republicans -- they reflect candidates. 68% of Dole voters said they would vote for Powell. 24% of Clinton voters said they would vote for Powell. How the fuck you translate that into Republicans is anyone's guess.

 

[Correll]

We're used to you being wrong pretty much all the time. And whiny. And tearful.

You say stupid shit like that, not when it is true, but when you are desperate to distract from how little you can say to support your position.


Exit polls are the Gold Standard of political polls. They showed that in 1996, the republican voters, along with a good sized chunk of Reagan Democrats, would have been happy to elect a black Republican President.


This of course, should be a moot historical point, because Powell choose not to run and very few blacks are even in the Republican Party.


But you can't admit it. Because you lib NEED your lie, that the Republican Party is terribly racist.


Because without that, you might have to make the case for your policies, based on their actual merits.


And you know, that you cannot.


You need to be able to cry "racist" and have the be the end of the debate.



Because, you know you can never win an actual, real debate.



That is what this is about. And you being a smug asshole about it, is just you being a smug asshole.

Dumbfuck, the thread questioned, "The First Black Republican Presidential Nominee Will Be....."

Someone who never ran for that office will NOT be that person.

Jeez, you're one mentally ill patient.

And I, and others pointed out, that the Republican HAVE the Presidency and the Vice Presidency. So it will be awhile before we have openings.


BUT, it is not because we are against the idea in principle. It has just not worked out that way yet.


Which was the point demonstrated by the Powell Exit Polls.


That was all explained. What part of that is too hard for you to understand?

The part where you delude yourself into believing a black man who never ran for president has a chance at being the first black Republican president.

I reject your pretense of you being too stupid to under stand the concept of linear time.


YOu are stupid, I will grant you that, but you are not so fucking profoundly retarded that you are too stupid to understand the concept that he had a very strong chance, at one time in the past.

That is my point. YOu are welcome to disagree with it, and explain why you disagree with it.


YOu are not welcome to pretend to be to stupid to read it and understand it. THAT IS NOT CREDIBLE. STOP FUCKING AROUND.

LOL

Dumbfuck, that's not what this thread asked. It didn't ask, which black wasn't nominated by the Republican party -- it asked who will be the first. Powell never ran, so Powell will not be the first. We're still waiting for the first. Maybe that will come in about another hundred years are so. In the meantime, buzz your nurse to come change your drool cup.

Trump is likely to be re-elected in 2020. THat's four more years right there. And Pence will almost certainly be the next candidate, so that's another four years after THAT.


And if he wins, it could be TWELVE years, until the next opening.

AND, actually, 16, because he would run for re-election, and likely lose.


It is pretty silly to try to guess that far ahead.


BUt it is worth noting, that the REASON FOR THE DELAY, IS NOT ONE OF PRINCIPLE, BUT JUST THE WAY IT WORKED OUT, AS DEMONSTRATED BY THE 96 EXIT POLLS.

LOLOL

You're literally making up this shit as you go along. It's not a given Impeached Trump will win this year. Even if he does, who knows if Pence will run in 2024. Going back to Carter, 3 VP's ran in the ensuing election and 3 did not. And even if Pence ran, you don't know that he would win. You also don't know who else might run against him, if that were to happen.

So now you're just inventing silly excuses for why the GOP has never nominated a black candidate.

How sad.

Hoping the sitting President is re-elected is not silly.

It happens a lot.

I would never offer you an "excuse" on ANYTHING. "Excuse" indicates I think that words or reason can effect your hate of anyone who stands in your way. We both know that is not true.


The OP, as admitted by the man that made it, is all about just smearing the GOP as racist.


Which it is not.

As demonstrated by the 96 exit polls, showing that Republican voters were fine with the idea of a Republican Black President.


That is the point of the thread and my refuting it, right there.

Why do you keep deflecting??

I never admitted anything....

What has been admitted is that your inability to answer my question is EVIDENCE of your own party's racism....


If someone were to ask a "liberal voter" whom do they feel would make a good black Democrat presidential candidate -- they are not going to go on some long diatribe making excuses for what Democrats did 100 years ago....they are just going to name possible candidates -- many of which are probably candidates who are ALREADY elected to public office.....

The dem party has the vast majority of potential candidates.

That the few blacks that are in the party, are so far down the list of potential candidates that I don't know their names, is not evidence of racism.


If you had asked this question in summer, 1996, I would have had an excellent answer, one a good number of my friends were quite excited about.


Does that mean to you, that in 1996, the GOP was not "racist", cause we would have had a name?


YOur position, is nothing but partisan hackery and race baiting.


Does it bother you that the potential black candidates all lost in the dem primaries? Is that evidence of "Racism" or just that Biden won?

You keep bringing up 1996 as to say "that one time, we would have supported a black guy" -- because of some poll...

But what you don't mention is -- the candidates who actually got the MOST VOTES -- you of all people should be the last to tell me about polls as opposed to actual votes...

Bob Dole got the most votes...but the guy who had so much support that he didn't drop out until the convention is who??

Pat Buchanan......do we need to go on about his record on race??

Your position, if I understand it correctly, is that the REpublican Party has been the party of Evul White Racism since the "Southern Strategy" was implemented sometime in the 60s when we shitcanned the black voters and starting pandering to the Evul white racist voters.


If that was true, the GOP voters would not have been willing to support a black man to be the most powerful man in the world.


That "some poll" demonstrates a behavior in GOP voters, that conflicts with your version of who we are.


Patrick Buchanan? He's a little off topic if your topic is "black presidential candidates". Not so much if all this is is race baiting from you. Like I say it is. ANd you deny admitting it is.


So, you want to talk about Pat, or not?

Conservatives care about power....they would nominate a black man if they thought he would help them win.....but since they have not, they still don't think one will help them win...

because the minute that "black man" goes off script and tells the truth about the racist nature of the conservative doctrine -- they call them traitors....just like you did Collin Powelll

Which tells me, you take black candidates as being nothing but a monkey in a suit for your entertainment -- as long as they don't sing a song you don't like....

1. Stripped of your spin, thank you for admitting that conservatives would nominate and elect a black republican.


2. Tell me, what are the differences you see in how conservative treated Powell, after he "Went off message" and the way we treated John McCain? The old white guy, after he "went off message" again and again?

 

[Correll]

Republicans struggle to elect blacks to Congress. Electing one as president won't happen in this century.

I don't know why this is an issue for Democrats in the first place since they don't like conservatives anyway. If you don't like conservatives or conservative values, you're not going to like a black Republican. And if a black Republican does get nominated, it's unlikely he/she would be elected and Democrats would be largely responsible for this. The reason being because a lot of black Democrats already consider conservative blacks as sellouts and Uncle Toms.

All of this nonsense about black Republican presidential nominees is just farting in a hurricane. Speaking for myself, I don't care how many blacks the Republican party has. A black person will either choose to be Republican or not, I don't give a shit and I don't want some kind of quota. If the Republican party doesn't have what a black person wants, shut the fuck up and become a Democrat. Same goes for white people.

So a black Republican can't get elected without support from Democrats?

Thanks for admitting that many Republicans and conservatives are racist. I already knew that but it's nice to see your side admit it.

Colin Powell would have easily defeated Bill Clinton according to exit polls in 1996. I would have happily voted for him against Bill Clinton. Some of my republican friends were really big fans of his.

That not many blacks would likely have crossed party lines, would not have mattered, and actually, imo, would have been a good thing.

I don't know why Ghost thinks that a black republican candidate would not win, or could not win without black dem voters. But he is incorrect.

LOL

If he's incorrect, where is the black Republican president? ...

Colin Powell did not run because he did not have a "passion for politics". That is where the most recent chance of a black republican President went.


Can you blame him? You libs are fucking nightmares to deal with.

Take the log out of your eye, you rightards are also nightmares.

So, you admit it. THe primary reason that Colin Power did not run, was him not wanting the job.


Can you admit that he would have been a strong contender for the nomination, if he had run, as the polling showed?

I admitted nothing about Powell, ya flaming moron. I didn't follow Powell to know if he was or was not thinking about running; or if so, why not.

YOur defense to "you libs make the job not a good choice" was, "you too".


That is an admission that you libs make the job not desirable.



You choose to enter a thread on Black Republican Presidents while being ignorant on the most likely to get elected potential candidate ever?


LOL!!! Well, that is completely credible for a lib. I accept your defense of ignorance.


You can either trust me on this, or go read up on it, and get back to me when you are caught up. Plenty on this issue online.

Your call.

"YOur defense to "you libs make the job not a good choice" was, "you too"."

So? Are you so blind you can't see both sides attack each other in the manner you only cry about the left?

"You choose to enter a thread on Black Republican Presidents while being ignorant on the most likely to get elected potential candidate ever?"

You said he had no passion for politics. That's your idea of the most likely black Republican to get elected? Ever???

Do you even have an idea of how stupid you sound?

Dude. Your defense is ignorance. You've admitted to being ignorant on the subject.


Go educate yourself. It will only take a few minutes.

Colin Powell - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"Powell's experience in military matters made him a very popular figure with both American political parties. Many Democrats admired his moderate stance on military matters, while many Republicans saw him as a great asset associated with the successes of past Republican administrations. Put forth as a potential Democratic Vice Presidential nominee in the 1992 U.S. presidential election[43] or even potentially replacing Vice President Dan Quayle as the Republican Vice Presidential nominee,[44] Powell eventually declared himself a Republican and began to campaign for Republican candidates in 1995.[45][46] He was touted as a possible opponent of Bill Clinton in the 1996 U.S. presidential election, possibly capitalizing on a split conservative vote in Iowa[47] and even leading New Hampshire polls for the GOP nomination,[48] but Powell declined, citing a lack of passion for politics.[49] Powell defeated Clinton 50–38 in a hypothetical match-up proposed to voters in the exit polls conducted on Election Day.[50] Despite not standing in the race, Powell won the Republican New Hampshire Vice-Presidential primary on write-in votes.[51] "

LOLOLOL

Moron, you're literally claiming your best shot at electing a Black Republican is someone who never ran for office nor wanted to.

Exit polls showed him winning handily over Bill Clinton, as a Republican with the Republican voters very strongly supporting him.


That right there refutes the point of the op, ie that republicans are racist that is why no black republican presidents.

Exit polls are meaningless when the topic is someone who's not running.

Still -- you claim your best shot to get a black Republican as president is someone who didn't want the job.

Exit polls are the Gold Standard of polls. They ask the person who they would vote for minutes after the point of voting, and they only get data from voters.


The high numbers that Powell got, showed that Republicans were ready for a black President back in 1996, and considering the strength of the results, well before that.


That alone refutes the point of the op, that the lack of black Republican Presidents is caused by "racism".

I didn't say exit polls are meaningless -- I said that one question is meaningless. Saying you'd vote for someone who's not running doesn't actually prove Republicans would have elected a black.

When an absolute majority of voters, primary made of republicans say they would have voted for a black republican, it does.


And that refutes the point of the op.

LOL

Saying you will vote for someone who's not running means nothing since that still doesn't get a black Republican elected. You remain an abject imbecile.

It demonstrates that the Republican Party has been ready for a Black President, decades ago.


That is relevant to the discussion, when so many lefties like to pretend to believe that the reason for the lack of black republicans or black republican presidents, is gop racism.


Hard data shows that that is a race baiting lie, made by vile liars.

and I assume the reason why there is such overwhelming support by black voters for the Democrat party is because of Democrat racism??

You know, there is also overwhelming support for the Democrat party on behalf of Jewish voters too...is that because of Democrat Anti-Semitism??

If your friend told you that there was a party happening tonight and there were gonna be a bunch of ladies there -- then when you get there -- its only one lady there and 400 guys -- would that still be considered a party with a bunch of ladies there?

Nope. NOt at all. But it is not because the guys are fags who don't like the ladies.


Have you never been at a party, where there was as dearth of women, and it was not because the men there disliked women?


Why are you pretending to be stupid about this?

If you are going to deflect this badly -- just don't comment at all...

You purposely avoided 99% of what I said just to focus on the fact, you attended parties with no ladies there....most conservatives have...

But that is for your therapist to work thru with you.....

You took my point, that the lack of black republicans is not because of republican racism, and turned it into a strawman.


ie that my point somehow implied that the dems were. Which does not follow.


The republican party not having anti-black racism, in no way implies that the dems DO.


Watch this. I don't believe in bigfoot.


Does that statement read to you, like I am accusing you of believing in bigfoot?



My point stands. THere are reasons that we have not had a black republican president, yet. GOP racism is not one of those reasons.


AS proved by the 96 exit polls.

Let's cut to the chase.....

The reason there are so few black people voting republican, is the same reason why there are so few black people elected as republicans, and that its the same reason so many of you folks here have had a difficult time answering my question...

The reason is in large part due to the historical racism of conservatives....both in rhetoric and most importantly in POLICY....And those conservatives of course, now happens to be predominantly affiliated with the republican party...

This is why 2 republican party chairmen had to issue apologies and offer mea culpas to try to own up to this reality....and when they did, they were attacked and ran out of their positions.....but I will let a black republican explain this to you himself...

“For the last 40-plus years we had a 'Southern Strategy' that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South" -- The genteel phrase dates back to Nixon aide Kevin Phillips, who explained to The New York Times in 1970: “From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that.”

Michael Steele on Why African-Americans Should Vote Republican: âYou Really Don't Have a Reason to, to Be Honestâ

From Wonkette.On Tuesday, No. 1 successful adult Michael Steele, current chairman of the Republican National Committee, described the G.O.P.’s political offensive thusly: “For the last 40-plus years we had a 'Southern Strategy' that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male...

www.vanityfair.com

Remember, this guy was attacked for issuing an apology for use of the "Southern Strategy" -- he lost his position as GOP chairman even tho he helped republicans win more seats since 1928 and broke fund raising records.....and he still remains a republican because to him, the current racism of his party isn't a deal breaker for him....for many other black voters, it is a deal breaker...

First of all, thanks for admitting that this thread is just about smearing the Republican Party, as "racist". We all knew that. You don't care about the alleged "topic".


The 96 exit polls proves tha the republican voters of that time, were fine with having a Republican President who had black skin, and by and large were sorry it was not an option. Speaking as a republican, I can assure you that as a group, we would much rather had had Colin Powell as President than the white guy, Bill Fucking Clinton.

AND the republican voters, are generally MORE conservative than the moderate Country Club Republicans who run the GOP, as demonstrated by their hissy fit when Trump won.


There are reasons for the way that blacks vote. Historic gop "racism" is not one of them. That is just not true.

Those '96 exit polls show no such thing as that question was not broken down by political party.

Sure they weren't. Of course, there were plenty of polls showing high support for Powell among republican before that. And low support for him among black dems. And not a lot of dems willing to cross party lines to vote for him. Some, but the same old Reagan Dems, not anyone new.


So, when, just a few weeks later, the exit polls show him winning, if he had run,

of course, you would assume a sudden drop off in support from white republican and a massive increase in support from black and white dem voters to explain the crushing victory he would have won.


Because otherwise, you would have face the possibility that your whole world view is a pack of self delusional lies.

Again, the exit polls don't reflect Republicans -- they reflect candidates. 68% of Dole voters said they would vote for Powell. 24% of Clinton voters said they would vote for Powell. How the fuck you translate that into Republicans is anyone's guess.

I covered that in the post you just "replied to" Go back and read it.

 

[Faun]

We're used to you being wrong pretty much all the time. And whiny. And tearful.

You say stupid shit like that, not when it is true, but when you are desperate to distract from how little you can say to support your position.


Exit polls are the Gold Standard of political polls. They showed that in 1996, the republican voters, along with a good sized chunk of Reagan Democrats, would have been happy to elect a black Republican President.


This of course, should be a moot historical point, because Powell choose not to run and very few blacks are even in the Republican Party.


But you can't admit it. Because you lib NEED your lie, that the Republican Party is terribly racist.


Because without that, you might have to make the case for your policies, based on their actual merits.


And you know, that you cannot.


You need to be able to cry "racist" and have the be the end of the debate.



Because, you know you can never win an actual, real debate.



That is what this is about. And you being a smug asshole about it, is just you being a smug asshole.

Dumbfuck, the thread questioned, "The First Black Republican Presidential Nominee Will Be....."

Someone who never ran for that office will NOT be that person.

Jeez, you're one mentally ill patient.

And I, and others pointed out, that the Republican HAVE the Presidency and the Vice Presidency. So it will be awhile before we have openings.


BUT, it is not because we are against the idea in principle. It has just not worked out that way yet.


Which was the point demonstrated by the Powell Exit Polls.


That was all explained. What part of that is too hard for you to understand?

The part where you delude yourself into believing a black man who never ran for president has a chance at being the first black Republican president.

I reject your pretense of you being too stupid to under stand the concept of linear time.


YOu are stupid, I will grant you that, but you are not so fucking profoundly retarded that you are too stupid to understand the concept that he had a very strong chance, at one time in the past.

That is my point. YOu are welcome to disagree with it, and explain why you disagree with it.


YOu are not welcome to pretend to be to stupid to read it and understand it. THAT IS NOT CREDIBLE. STOP FUCKING AROUND.

LOL

Dumbfuck, that's not what this thread asked. It didn't ask, which black wasn't nominated by the Republican party -- it asked who will be the first. Powell never ran, so Powell will not be the first. We're still waiting for the first. Maybe that will come in about another hundred years are so. In the meantime, buzz your nurse to come change your drool cup.

Trump is likely to be re-elected in 2020. THat's four more years right there. And Pence will almost certainly be the next candidate, so that's another four years after THAT.


And if he wins, it could be TWELVE years, until the next opening.

AND, actually, 16, because he would run for re-election, and likely lose.


It is pretty silly to try to guess that far ahead.


BUt it is worth noting, that the REASON FOR THE DELAY, IS NOT ONE OF PRINCIPLE, BUT JUST THE WAY IT WORKED OUT, AS DEMONSTRATED BY THE 96 EXIT POLLS.

LOLOL

You're literally making up this shit as you go along. It's not a given Impeached Trump will win this year. Even if he does, who knows if Pence will run in 2024. Going back to Carter, 3 VP's ran in the ensuing election and 3 did not. And even if Pence ran, you don't know that he would win. You also don't know who else might run against him, if that were to happen.

So now you're just inventing silly excuses for why the GOP has never nominated a black candidate.

How sad.

Hoping the sitting President is re-elected is not silly.

It happens a lot.

I would never offer you an "excuse" on ANYTHING. "Excuse" indicates I think that words or reason can effect your hate of anyone who stands in your way. We both know that is not true.


The OP, as admitted by the man that made it, is all about just smearing the GOP as racist.


Which it is not.

As demonstrated by the 96 exit polls, showing that Republican voters were fine with the idea of a Republican Black President.


That is the point of the thread and my refuting it, right there.

"Hoping the sitting President is re-elected is not silly."

That's not what I pointed out was silly. Dayum, you're a fucking moron.

In my world, I am hoping that we republicans don't have an opening for the slot, until, 2032.


I can't predict who will be ready for prime time by then.


But, i can point out, that in the past, as a Party we have been ready for one, if one had been offered. Which if the point of this thread was just vile race baiting, that would refute the point of the thread.


If that is NOT the point of the thread, then my point about the 96 polls is moot, and you guys won't care about it enough to even dispute it.


Cause, it's irrelevant to candidates moving forward. So, why would you carer enough to fight over it?

Besides you, no one cares what you hope for.

Meanwhile, here in reality, you could have a black nominee as soon as 2024. But that's not gonna happen because too many conservatives are still too racist.

And your point's been refuted even though it's not relevant to this thread. A poll does not nominate anyone. Anyone can easily say to someone's face taking the poll that the would have voted for Powell had he ran -- but actually voting for him in the secrecy of a ballot box is entirely different.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Republicans struggle to elect blacks to Congress. Electing one as president won't happen in this century.

I don't know why this is an issue for Democrats in the first place since they don't like conservatives anyway. If you don't like conservatives or conservative values, you're not going to like a black Republican. And if a black Republican does get nominated, it's unlikely he/she would be elected and Democrats would be largely responsible for this. The reason being because a lot of black Democrats already consider conservative blacks as sellouts and Uncle Toms.

All of this nonsense about black Republican presidential nominees is just farting in a hurricane. Speaking for myself, I don't care how many blacks the Republican party has. A black person will either choose to be Republican or not, I don't give a shit and I don't want some kind of quota. If the Republican party doesn't have what a black person wants, shut the fuck up and become a Democrat. Same goes for white people.

So a black Republican can't get elected without support from Democrats?

Thanks for admitting that many Republicans and conservatives are racist. I already knew that but it's nice to see your side admit it.

Colin Powell would have easily defeated Bill Clinton according to exit polls in 1996. I would have happily voted for him against Bill Clinton. Some of my republican friends were really big fans of his.

That not many blacks would likely have crossed party lines, would not have mattered, and actually, imo, would have been a good thing.

I don't know why Ghost thinks that a black republican candidate would not win, or could not win without black dem voters. But he is incorrect.

LOL

If he's incorrect, where is the black Republican president? ...

Colin Powell did not run because he did not have a "passion for politics". That is where the most recent chance of a black republican President went.


Can you blame him? You libs are fucking nightmares to deal with.

Take the log out of your eye, you rightards are also nightmares.

So, you admit it. THe primary reason that Colin Power did not run, was him not wanting the job.


Can you admit that he would have been a strong contender for the nomination, if he had run, as the polling showed?

I admitted nothing about Powell, ya flaming moron. I didn't follow Powell to know if he was or was not thinking about running; or if so, why not.

YOur defense to "you libs make the job not a good choice" was, "you too".


That is an admission that you libs make the job not desirable.



You choose to enter a thread on Black Republican Presidents while being ignorant on the most likely to get elected potential candidate ever?


LOL!!! Well, that is completely credible for a lib. I accept your defense of ignorance.


You can either trust me on this, or go read up on it, and get back to me when you are caught up. Plenty on this issue online.

Your call.

"YOur defense to "you libs make the job not a good choice" was, "you too"."

So? Are you so blind you can't see both sides attack each other in the manner you only cry about the left?

"You choose to enter a thread on Black Republican Presidents while being ignorant on the most likely to get elected potential candidate ever?"

You said he had no passion for politics. That's your idea of the most likely black Republican to get elected? Ever???

Do you even have an idea of how stupid you sound?

Dude. Your defense is ignorance. You've admitted to being ignorant on the subject.


Go educate yourself. It will only take a few minutes.

Colin Powell - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"Powell's experience in military matters made him a very popular figure with both American political parties. Many Democrats admired his moderate stance on military matters, while many Republicans saw him as a great asset associated with the successes of past Republican administrations. Put forth as a potential Democratic Vice Presidential nominee in the 1992 U.S. presidential election[43] or even potentially replacing Vice President Dan Quayle as the Republican Vice Presidential nominee,[44] Powell eventually declared himself a Republican and began to campaign for Republican candidates in 1995.[45][46] He was touted as a possible opponent of Bill Clinton in the 1996 U.S. presidential election, possibly capitalizing on a split conservative vote in Iowa[47] and even leading New Hampshire polls for the GOP nomination,[48] but Powell declined, citing a lack of passion for politics.[49] Powell defeated Clinton 50–38 in a hypothetical match-up proposed to voters in the exit polls conducted on Election Day.[50] Despite not standing in the race, Powell won the Republican New Hampshire Vice-Presidential primary on write-in votes.[51] "

LOLOLOL

Moron, you're literally claiming your best shot at electing a Black Republican is someone who never ran for office nor wanted to.

Exit polls showed him winning handily over Bill Clinton, as a Republican with the Republican voters very strongly supporting him.


That right there refutes the point of the op, ie that republicans are racist that is why no black republican presidents.

Exit polls are meaningless when the topic is someone who's not running.

Still -- you claim your best shot to get a black Republican as president is someone who didn't want the job.

Exit polls are the Gold Standard of polls. They ask the person who they would vote for minutes after the point of voting, and they only get data from voters.


The high numbers that Powell got, showed that Republicans were ready for a black President back in 1996, and considering the strength of the results, well before that.


That alone refutes the point of the op, that the lack of black Republican Presidents is caused by "racism".

I didn't say exit polls are meaningless -- I said that one question is meaningless. Saying you'd vote for someone who's not running doesn't actually prove Republicans would have elected a black.

When an absolute majority of voters, primary made of republicans say they would have voted for a black republican, it does.


And that refutes the point of the op.

LOL

Saying you will vote for someone who's not running means nothing since that still doesn't get a black Republican elected. You remain an abject imbecile.

It demonstrates that the Republican Party has been ready for a Black President, decades ago.


That is relevant to the discussion, when so many lefties like to pretend to believe that the reason for the lack of black republicans or black republican presidents, is gop racism.


Hard data shows that that is a race baiting lie, made by vile liars.

and I assume the reason why there is such overwhelming support by black voters for the Democrat party is because of Democrat racism??

You know, there is also overwhelming support for the Democrat party on behalf of Jewish voters too...is that because of Democrat Anti-Semitism??

If your friend told you that there was a party happening tonight and there were gonna be a bunch of ladies there -- then when you get there -- its only one lady there and 400 guys -- would that still be considered a party with a bunch of ladies there?

Nope. NOt at all. But it is not because the guys are fags who don't like the ladies.


Have you never been at a party, where there was as dearth of women, and it was not because the men there disliked women?


Why are you pretending to be stupid about this?

If you are going to deflect this badly -- just don't comment at all...

You purposely avoided 99% of what I said just to focus on the fact, you attended parties with no ladies there....most conservatives have...

But that is for your therapist to work thru with you.....

You took my point, that the lack of black republicans is not because of republican racism, and turned it into a strawman.


ie that my point somehow implied that the dems were. Which does not follow.


The republican party not having anti-black racism, in no way implies that the dems DO.


Watch this. I don't believe in bigfoot.


Does that statement read to you, like I am accusing you of believing in bigfoot?



My point stands. THere are reasons that we have not had a black republican president, yet. GOP racism is not one of those reasons.


AS proved by the 96 exit polls.

Let's cut to the chase.....

The reason there are so few black people voting republican, is the same reason why there are so few black people elected as republicans, and that its the same reason so many of you folks here have had a difficult time answering my question...

The reason is in large part due to the historical racism of conservatives....both in rhetoric and most importantly in POLICY....And those conservatives of course, now happens to be predominantly affiliated with the republican party...

This is why 2 republican party chairmen had to issue apologies and offer mea culpas to try to own up to this reality....and when they did, they were attacked and ran out of their positions.....but I will let a black republican explain this to you himself...

“For the last 40-plus years we had a 'Southern Strategy' that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South" -- The genteel phrase dates back to Nixon aide Kevin Phillips, who explained to The New York Times in 1970: “From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that.”

Michael Steele on Why African-Americans Should Vote Republican: âYou Really Don't Have a Reason to, to Be Honestâ

From Wonkette.On Tuesday, No. 1 successful adult Michael Steele, current chairman of the Republican National Committee, described the G.O.P.’s political offensive thusly: “For the last 40-plus years we had a 'Southern Strategy' that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male...

www.vanityfair.com

Remember, this guy was attacked for issuing an apology for use of the "Southern Strategy" -- he lost his position as GOP chairman even tho he helped republicans win more seats since 1928 and broke fund raising records.....and he still remains a republican because to him, the current racism of his party isn't a deal breaker for him....for many other black voters, it is a deal breaker...

THAK YOU!

These racists don't want to admit we are smarter than white racists and that we have decided en masse to not join a party full of racists. They'll get 2-3 percent of black people, because there are 2-3 percent of blacks who are dumb enough to ignore the racism. But until the republican party changes its leadership and begins rejecting its base to honestly reach out to black voters, thing will remain as they are, at least on the national level.

The 96 exit polls prove that the GOP is not full of racists. Racists would not be happy with the idea of a black man as President.

Your position is stupid.

By the way....what do those "republican voters" think about Collin Powell now??

When you morons are trotting out minstrels like Candace Owens as saviors of the "black conservative" movement -- how come no one is talking to Alan Keyes, JC Watts, the ones you told us where supposed to be saviors of the movement....

And why have you avoided what I said that not 1, but 2 republican party chairman apologized for using the racist southern strategy during the 60's, 70's on into the 80's...were they lying??

GOP renounces '60s racial strategy / Party chair says using divisive issues to win white vote was wrong

GOP renounces '60s racial strategy / Party chair says using divisive issues to win white...

www.sfgate.com

RNC Chair Michael Steele Confesses to Race-Based Southern Strategy

Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele made an admission, this week, that was both stunning and obvious. Speaking to a group of DePaul University students, Steele was asked why a black person should vote for a Republican. In responding, Steele put on the record the political...

www.mediaite.com

1. Since his betrayal? NOt much. Which does not change the fact that before his betrayal, republicans were really wanted him to run and be President, thus disproving your claim of racism.

2. Ever clip of Candice I see, she is kicking some libs ass. I don't see her as a savior of "black conservativism" so much as just a great conservative. I hope she sticks around forever, and keeps kicking lib ass. If she ever chooses to run for anything, I hope she does well.

3. Alan Keyes was set up for failure by the asshole Country Club Republicans, and flamed out. They did not do it because they are racist assholes, but because they are elitists assholes, who don't like hard core conservatives. YOu do understand that, right?

4. I'm not sure what happened with Watts.

5. I did not avoid it. I addressed it. THey were wrong to do so, and I support that fact that the one paid a price for his stupidity. THe Southern Strategy was a myth. The South became less racist and as that happened, it also became less democratic. Perhaps a coincidence.

If 2 DNC chairmen came out and issued a statement like that about Democrats -- would you say they were lying, would say it was a mistake, that it's a myth -- or would you be holding it up as proof of something??

Not only did those GOP chairmen issue apologies, then they went on to substantiate those apologies with actual FACTS of what THEIR PARTY ACTUALLY DID..

I just gave you the statement made by Nixon's advisor who ADMITTED that they lost "Negro" support due to the passage of the Civil Rights Act -- why would he feel that??

Furthermore, that has been the Republican strategy every since then -- to disregard the importance of growing the black vote by their policies -- and instead rely on enough self hating black folks to vote for them irregardless of their insistence on appealing to the racist white vote -- which they value over the black vote...period...

For some black republicans who mainly care about getting a possible tax cut if they are in a certain tax bracket -- they can ignore the racism...for some black republicans, there is a self hatred among them that getting that pat on the head for white folks is enough for them to put on a minstrel show

But the overwhelming majority of others -- their dignity and the sacrifices of those before them prevents them from being a minstrel for the edification of folks like you -- who can't even bring themselves to acknowledge that black person's reality because it makes you feel butt hurt...

1. So, you accept my point about the way the Powell support disproves your claims of gop racism? Cause brought it up and then dropped it immediately.


2. IF two DNC chairman did something like that, I would certainly present it as EVIDENCE of the thing they apologized for. But if the lefty I was talking to, claimed that they were wrong to do so, then I would take steps to prove that they were right to do so. It is time for you to give your single strongest point as evidence of the "Southern Strategy". No gish galloping bullshit please.


3. At a guess, I would think that the Nixon advisor was thinking of the way that Johnson was getting the credit for signing the bill, even though it has strong bi-partisan support in Congress.

4. The GOP did nothing for the "racist white vote", that is just you being a race baiting asshole.

5. The black vote began shifting to the dems, under FDR, in the 30s, because of the New Deal programs, a good thirty years before the dems stopped being the Party of Jim Crow. So, it was not "republican racism" that moved that change.

1. -- No I do not accept that point because of the point someone else pointed out earlier -- that you still haven't addressed.....

2. Not only was what the GOP chairmen admitted, evidence...I then went on to substantiate that further -- but since you suffer from cognitive dissonance and think gaslighting is a debate tactic -- you ignore all of the evidence and keep arguing bullshit..which is why everyone has slapped you up and down this post.....

3. That Nixon advisor was talking about the southern strategy...the same thing 2 GOP chairmen apologized for......LBJ got credit for signing the bill, but LBJ died decades ago...so my guess is that black voters continued to vote democrat because of the POLICIES, not because of LBJ or any other "PERSON" -- morons like you fixate on people and personalities because you know policy wise, you don't offer much to those black voters you have such disdain for...

4. Yes, the GOP did do much for the racist white vote.....here is another piece of evidence from another GOP strategist that you will most likely ignore because it will blow your delusions out of the water...again....there is a reason why what Lee Atwater said is so famous....first..because he was Reagan's advisor....and second.....because it is 1000% backed up by FACTS and republican policy....View attachment 315559


5. And here is when you morons start twisting yourselves into pretzels...."Democrats stopped being the party of Jim Crow" --- yes they did....conservatives didn't....one party was more open to appeasing those racist conservatives than the other.....So in other words, blacks supported policies and voted based on those policies...and because of that, its morons like you who call those black voters "slaves on a plantation" for voting for policies they support.....


I don't waste my time slapping you around because I think it will illicit an admission of wrong from you -- I do it so you will be reminded as to why that bullshit you running ain't working when it comes to your party growing the black vote...now go bathe or do something constructive

1. If the GOP was as racist as you claim, then the GOP voters would not have been supportive of a possible Powell President. The support showed by the gop voters for Powell, prove your accusations of racism wrong.


2. Steele was mistaken. He came along decades after the fact and was talking about shit he knew nothing about.

3. You are jumping all over the place here. Yes, Johnson got the credit for signing the bill, even though the republicans wrote it and supported it even more strongly than dems did. And you dems have been lying like that ever since.


4. Atwater,decades after the fact, talking about "Forced busing"? You know who enforced busing more than anyone else? Especially in the South? Richard Fucking Nixon. So much for pandering to the white racists. So much for Atwater.

5. We republicans were never the party of Jim Crow. YOu are full of shit.

1. I didn't say the GOP is racist because they didn't support a black candidate -- I asked you what possible black candidates would republicans support -- you couldn't name any....and the best you could do is offer a guy that you yourself called a traitor -- not for his role in the war in Iraq -- but because he said ""I Still See" The "Dark Vein" Of Racism In Repubicans & America" now if lifelong black republicans are saying that about their own party -- why would I care about what a closet racist thinks?

2. I like how you point out that Steele was mistaken, but I told you that 2 GOP chairmen said this...but since you probably want to pretend that Ken Mehlman never existed, you don't mention him....Ken Mehlman is also the same guy who apologized for the GOP's demonization of gays for political advantage...which was particularly pathetic in Ken's case, because he was gay....but, that is what self hate does to you...

3. Name the guy who you think wrote the "BI-PARTISAN BILL" -- and when you do...I will continue to make you look stupid...

4. So you are claiming that Richard Nixon was a champion against racism?? Bawahahahahaha....I know you hate the fact that its the Conservatives who are constantly on the wrong side of Civil Rights.....you lying about it won't change that reality...

5. You conservatives have ALWAYS been the party of Jim Crow -- I don't give a fuck about your party labels...

 

[Correll]

We're used to you being wrong pretty much all the time. And whiny. And tearful.

You say stupid shit like that, not when it is true, but when you are desperate to distract from how little you can say to support your position.


Exit polls are the Gold Standard of political polls. They showed that in 1996, the republican voters, along with a good sized chunk of Reagan Democrats, would have been happy to elect a black Republican President.


This of course, should be a moot historical point, because Powell choose not to run and very few blacks are even in the Republican Party.


But you can't admit it. Because you lib NEED your lie, that the Republican Party is terribly racist.


Because without that, you might have to make the case for your policies, based on their actual merits.


And you know, that you cannot.


You need to be able to cry "racist" and have the be the end of the debate.



Because, you know you can never win an actual, real debate.



That is what this is about. And you being a smug asshole about it, is just you being a smug asshole.

Dumbfuck, the thread questioned, "The First Black Republican Presidential Nominee Will Be....."

Someone who never ran for that office will NOT be that person.

Jeez, you're one mentally ill patient.

And I, and others pointed out, that the Republican HAVE the Presidency and the Vice Presidency. So it will be awhile before we have openings.


BUT, it is not because we are against the idea in principle. It has just not worked out that way yet.


Which was the point demonstrated by the Powell Exit Polls.


That was all explained. What part of that is too hard for you to understand?

The part where you delude yourself into believing a black man who never ran for president has a chance at being the first black Republican president.

I reject your pretense of you being too stupid to under stand the concept of linear time.


YOu are stupid, I will grant you that, but you are not so fucking profoundly retarded that you are too stupid to understand the concept that he had a very strong chance, at one time in the past.

That is my point. YOu are welcome to disagree with it, and explain why you disagree with it.


YOu are not welcome to pretend to be to stupid to read it and understand it. THAT IS NOT CREDIBLE. STOP FUCKING AROUND.

LOL

Dumbfuck, that's not what this thread asked. It didn't ask, which black wasn't nominated by the Republican party -- it asked who will be the first. Powell never ran, so Powell will not be the first. We're still waiting for the first. Maybe that will come in about another hundred years are so. In the meantime, buzz your nurse to come change your drool cup.

Trump is likely to be re-elected in 2020. THat's four more years right there. And Pence will almost certainly be the next candidate, so that's another four years after THAT.


And if he wins, it could be TWELVE years, until the next opening.

AND, actually, 16, because he would run for re-election, and likely lose.


It is pretty silly to try to guess that far ahead.


BUt it is worth noting, that the REASON FOR THE DELAY, IS NOT ONE OF PRINCIPLE, BUT JUST THE WAY IT WORKED OUT, AS DEMONSTRATED BY THE 96 EXIT POLLS.

LOLOL

You're literally making up this shit as you go along. It's not a given Impeached Trump will win this year. Even if he does, who knows if Pence will run in 2024. Going back to Carter, 3 VP's ran in the ensuing election and 3 did not. And even if Pence ran, you don't know that he would win. You also don't know who else might run against him, if that were to happen.

So now you're just inventing silly excuses for why the GOP has never nominated a black candidate.

How sad.

Hoping the sitting President is re-elected is not silly.

It happens a lot.

I would never offer you an "excuse" on ANYTHING. "Excuse" indicates I think that words or reason can effect your hate of anyone who stands in your way. We both know that is not true.


The OP, as admitted by the man that made it, is all about just smearing the GOP as racist.


Which it is not.

As demonstrated by the 96 exit polls, showing that Republican voters were fine with the idea of a Republican Black President.


That is the point of the thread and my refuting it, right there.

"Hoping the sitting President is re-elected is not silly."

That's not what I pointed out was silly. Dayum, you're a fucking moron.

In my world, I am hoping that we republicans don't have an opening for the slot, until, 2032.


I can't predict who will be ready for prime time by then.


But, i can point out, that in the past, as a Party we have been ready for one, if one had been offered. Which if the point of this thread was just vile race baiting, that would refute the point of the thread.


If that is NOT the point of the thread, then my point about the 96 polls is moot, and you guys won't care about it enough to even dispute it.


Cause, it's irrelevant to candidates moving forward. So, why would you carer enough to fight over it?

Besides you, no one cares what you hope for.

Meanwhile, here in reality, you could have a black nominee as soon as 2024. But that's not gonna happen because too many conservatives are still too racist.

And your point's been refuted even though it's not relevant to this thread. A poll does not nominate anyone. Anyone can easily say to someone's face taking the poll that the would have voted for Powell had he ran -- but actually voting for him in the secrecy of a ballot box is entirely different.

So, your position is that we can't have a black republican president because too many conservative voters are racist.



I knew that was the point of this thread. All you bs to the contrary, was just bs.


And that is why I keep going back to the documented with scientific polls that the Republican voters of 1996 would have been happy to have elected Powell.


Hell, even Biff has admitted that. Albeit with heavy spin.

Your claims of racism being the bar has been disproved.

Colin Powell - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"Powell's experience in military matters made him a very popular figure with both American political parties. Many Democrats admired his moderate stance on military matters, while many Republicans saw him as a great asset associated with the successes of past Republican administrations. Put forth as a potential Democratic Vice Presidential nominee in the 1992 U.S. presidential election[43] or even potentially replacing Vice President Dan Quayle as the Republican Vice Presidential nominee,[44] Powell eventually declared himself a Republican and began to campaign for Republican candidates in 1995.[45][46] He was touted as a possible opponent of Bill Clinton in the 1996 U.S. presidential election, possibly capitalizing on a split conservative vote in Iowa[47] and even leading New Hampshire polls for the GOP nomination,[48] but Powell declined, citing a lack of passion for politics.[49] Powell defeated Clinton 50–38 in a hypothetical match-up proposed to voters in the exit polls conducted on Election Day.[50] Despite not standing in the race, Powell won the Republican New Hampshire Vice-Presidential primary on write-in votes "

"Powell was mentioned as a potential candidate in the 2000 U.S. presidential election, but again decided against running.[53] Once Texas Governor George W. Bush secured the Republican nomination, Powell endorsed him for president and spoke at the 2000 Republican National Convention. Bush won the general election and appointed Powell as Secretary of State. "

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

We're used to you being wrong pretty much all the time. And whiny. And tearful.

You say stupid shit like that, not when it is true, but when you are desperate to distract from how little you can say to support your position.


Exit polls are the Gold Standard of political polls. They showed that in 1996, the republican voters, along with a good sized chunk of Reagan Democrats, would have been happy to elect a black Republican President.


This of course, should be a moot historical point, because Powell choose not to run and very few blacks are even in the Republican Party.


But you can't admit it. Because you lib NEED your lie, that the Republican Party is terribly racist.


Because without that, you might have to make the case for your policies, based on their actual merits.


And you know, that you cannot.


You need to be able to cry "racist" and have the be the end of the debate.



Because, you know you can never win an actual, real debate.



That is what this is about. And you being a smug asshole about it, is just you being a smug asshole.

Dumbfuck, the thread questioned, "The First Black Republican Presidential Nominee Will Be....."

Someone who never ran for that office will NOT be that person.

Jeez, you're one mentally ill patient.

And I, and others pointed out, that the Republican HAVE the Presidency and the Vice Presidency. So it will be awhile before we have openings.


BUT, it is not because we are against the idea in principle. It has just not worked out that way yet.


Which was the point demonstrated by the Powell Exit Polls.


That was all explained. What part of that is too hard for you to understand?

The part where you delude yourself into believing a black man who never ran for president has a chance at being the first black Republican president.

I reject your pretense of you being too stupid to under stand the concept of linear time.


YOu are stupid, I will grant you that, but you are not so fucking profoundly retarded that you are too stupid to understand the concept that he had a very strong chance, at one time in the past.

That is my point. YOu are welcome to disagree with it, and explain why you disagree with it.


YOu are not welcome to pretend to be to stupid to read it and understand it. THAT IS NOT CREDIBLE. STOP FUCKING AROUND.

LOL

Dumbfuck, that's not what this thread asked. It didn't ask, which black wasn't nominated by the Republican party -- it asked who will be the first. Powell never ran, so Powell will not be the first. We're still waiting for the first. Maybe that will come in about another hundred years are so. In the meantime, buzz your nurse to come change your drool cup.

Trump is likely to be re-elected in 2020. THat's four more years right there. And Pence will almost certainly be the next candidate, so that's another four years after THAT.


And if he wins, it could be TWELVE years, until the next opening.

AND, actually, 16, because he would run for re-election, and likely lose.


It is pretty silly to try to guess that far ahead.


BUt it is worth noting, that the REASON FOR THE DELAY, IS NOT ONE OF PRINCIPLE, BUT JUST THE WAY IT WORKED OUT, AS DEMONSTRATED BY THE 96 EXIT POLLS.

LOLOL

You're literally making up this shit as you go along. It's not a given Impeached Trump will win this year. Even if he does, who knows if Pence will run in 2024. Going back to Carter, 3 VP's ran in the ensuing election and 3 did not. And even if Pence ran, you don't know that he would win. You also don't know who else might run against him, if that were to happen.

So now you're just inventing silly excuses for why the GOP has never nominated a black candidate.

How sad.

Hoping the sitting President is re-elected is not silly.

It happens a lot.

I would never offer you an "excuse" on ANYTHING. "Excuse" indicates I think that words or reason can effect your hate of anyone who stands in your way. We both know that is not true.


The OP, as admitted by the man that made it, is all about just smearing the GOP as racist.


Which it is not.

As demonstrated by the 96 exit polls, showing that Republican voters were fine with the idea of a Republican Black President.


That is the point of the thread and my refuting it, right there.

"Hoping the sitting President is re-elected is not silly."

That's not what I pointed out was silly. Dayum, you're a fucking moron.

In my world, I am hoping that we republicans don't have an opening for the slot, until, 2032.


I can't predict who will be ready for prime time by then.


But, i can point out, that in the past, as a Party we have been ready for one, if one had been offered. Which if the point of this thread was just vile race baiting, that would refute the point of the thread.


If that is NOT the point of the thread, then my point about the 96 polls is moot, and you guys won't care about it enough to even dispute it.


Cause, it's irrelevant to candidates moving forward. So, why would you carer enough to fight over it?

Besides you, no one cares what you hope for.

Meanwhile, here in reality, you could have a black nominee as soon as 2024. But that's not gonna happen because too many conservatives are still too racist.

And your point's been refuted even though it's not relevant to this thread. A poll does not nominate anyone. Anyone can easily say to someone's face taking the poll that the would have voted for Powell had he ran -- but actually voting for him in the secrecy of a ballot box is entirely different.

So, your position is that we can't have a black republican president because too many conservative voters are racist.



I knew that was the point of this thread. All you bs to the contrary, was just bs.


And that is why I keep going back to the documented with scientific polls that the Republican voters of 1996 would have been happy to have elected Powell.


Hell, even Biff has admitted that. Albeit with heavy spin.

Your claims of racism being the bar has been disproved.

Colin Powell - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"Powell's experience in military matters made him a very popular figure with both American political parties. Many Democrats admired his moderate stance on military matters, while many Republicans saw him as a great asset associated with the successes of past Republican administrations. Put forth as a potential Democratic Vice Presidential nominee in the 1992 U.S. presidential election[43] or even potentially replacing Vice President Dan Quayle as the Republican Vice Presidential nominee,[44] Powell eventually declared himself a Republican and began to campaign for Republican candidates in 1995.[45][46] He was touted as a possible opponent of Bill Clinton in the 1996 U.S. presidential election, possibly capitalizing on a split conservative vote in Iowa[47] and even leading New Hampshire polls for the GOP nomination,[48] but Powell declined, citing a lack of passion for politics.[49] Powell defeated Clinton 50–38 in a hypothetical match-up proposed to voters in the exit polls conducted on Election Day.[50] Despite not standing in the race, Powell won the Republican New Hampshire Vice-Presidential primary on write-in votes "

"Powell was mentioned as a potential candidate in the 2000 U.S. presidential election, but again decided against running.[53] Once Texas Governor George W. Bush secured the Republican nomination, Powell endorsed him for president and spoke at the 2000 Republican National Convention. Bush won the general election and appointed Powell as Secretary of State. "

So in other words -- you still can't talk about anyone else other than Powell...the guy you called a traitor for telling the truth about the republican party...

Can you tell me what was Powell's position on Social Security in 1996??

What about Powell's position on labor protections or Wall street de-regulation??

Bottom line is....Herman Cain ran for president...and he didn't get enough "REPUBLICAN SUPPORT" to win...

Alan Keyes ran for president and he didn't get enough "REPUBLICAN SUPPORT" to win....

Ben Carson ran for president and he didn't get enough "REPUBLICAN SUPPORT" to win....

And with every reiteration of a black "republican" candidate -- the candidates have been more and more minstrel like in their policies -- to the point it wasn't even about their polices, just whether or not they would parrot the talking points that appeases the closet racists.....so those closet racists can point at him and say -- "see, we got a black guy too"

 

[Correll]

Republicans struggle to elect blacks to Congress. Electing one as president won't happen in this century.

I don't know why this is an issue for Democrats in the first place since they don't like conservatives anyway. If you don't like conservatives or conservative values, you're not going to like a black Republican. And if a black Republican does get nominated, it's unlikely he/she would be elected and Democrats would be largely responsible for this. The reason being because a lot of black Democrats already consider conservative blacks as sellouts and Uncle Toms.

All of this nonsense about black Republican presidential nominees is just farting in a hurricane. Speaking for myself, I don't care how many blacks the Republican party has. A black person will either choose to be Republican or not, I don't give a shit and I don't want some kind of quota. If the Republican party doesn't have what a black person wants, shut the fuck up and become a Democrat. Same goes for white people.

So a black Republican can't get elected without support from Democrats?

Thanks for admitting that many Republicans and conservatives are racist. I already knew that but it's nice to see your side admit it.

Colin Powell would have easily defeated Bill Clinton according to exit polls in 1996. I would have happily voted for him against Bill Clinton. Some of my republican friends were really big fans of his.

That not many blacks would likely have crossed party lines, would not have mattered, and actually, imo, would have been a good thing.

I don't know why Ghost thinks that a black republican candidate would not win, or could not win without black dem voters. But he is incorrect.

LOL

If he's incorrect, where is the black Republican president? ...

Colin Powell did not run because he did not have a "passion for politics". That is where the most recent chance of a black republican President went.


Can you blame him? You libs are fucking nightmares to deal with.

Take the log out of your eye, you rightards are also nightmares.

So, you admit it. THe primary reason that Colin Power did not run, was him not wanting the job.


Can you admit that he would have been a strong contender for the nomination, if he had run, as the polling showed?

I admitted nothing about Powell, ya flaming moron. I didn't follow Powell to know if he was or was not thinking about running; or if so, why not.

YOur defense to "you libs make the job not a good choice" was, "you too".


That is an admission that you libs make the job not desirable.



You choose to enter a thread on Black Republican Presidents while being ignorant on the most likely to get elected potential candidate ever?


LOL!!! Well, that is completely credible for a lib. I accept your defense of ignorance.


You can either trust me on this, or go read up on it, and get back to me when you are caught up. Plenty on this issue online.

Your call.

"YOur defense to "you libs make the job not a good choice" was, "you too"."

So? Are you so blind you can't see both sides attack each other in the manner you only cry about the left?

"You choose to enter a thread on Black Republican Presidents while being ignorant on the most likely to get elected potential candidate ever?"

You said he had no passion for politics. That's your idea of the most likely black Republican to get elected? Ever???

Do you even have an idea of how stupid you sound?

Dude. Your defense is ignorance. You've admitted to being ignorant on the subject.


Go educate yourself. It will only take a few minutes.

Colin Powell - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"Powell's experience in military matters made him a very popular figure with both American political parties. Many Democrats admired his moderate stance on military matters, while many Republicans saw him as a great asset associated with the successes of past Republican administrations. Put forth as a potential Democratic Vice Presidential nominee in the 1992 U.S. presidential election[43] or even potentially replacing Vice President Dan Quayle as the Republican Vice Presidential nominee,[44] Powell eventually declared himself a Republican and began to campaign for Republican candidates in 1995.[45][46] He was touted as a possible opponent of Bill Clinton in the 1996 U.S. presidential election, possibly capitalizing on a split conservative vote in Iowa[47] and even leading New Hampshire polls for the GOP nomination,[48] but Powell declined, citing a lack of passion for politics.[49] Powell defeated Clinton 50–38 in a hypothetical match-up proposed to voters in the exit polls conducted on Election Day.[50] Despite not standing in the race, Powell won the Republican New Hampshire Vice-Presidential primary on write-in votes.[51] "

LOLOLOL

Moron, you're literally claiming your best shot at electing a Black Republican is someone who never ran for office nor wanted to.

Exit polls showed him winning handily over Bill Clinton, as a Republican with the Republican voters very strongly supporting him.


That right there refutes the point of the op, ie that republicans are racist that is why no black republican presidents.

Exit polls are meaningless when the topic is someone who's not running.

Still -- you claim your best shot to get a black Republican as president is someone who didn't want the job.

Exit polls are the Gold Standard of polls. They ask the person who they would vote for minutes after the point of voting, and they only get data from voters.


The high numbers that Powell got, showed that Republicans were ready for a black President back in 1996, and considering the strength of the results, well before that.


That alone refutes the point of the op, that the lack of black Republican Presidents is caused by "racism".

I didn't say exit polls are meaningless -- I said that one question is meaningless. Saying you'd vote for someone who's not running doesn't actually prove Republicans would have elected a black.

When an absolute majority of voters, primary made of republicans say they would have voted for a black republican, it does.


And that refutes the point of the op.

LOL

Saying you will vote for someone who's not running means nothing since that still doesn't get a black Republican elected. You remain an abject imbecile.

It demonstrates that the Republican Party has been ready for a Black President, decades ago.


That is relevant to the discussion, when so many lefties like to pretend to believe that the reason for the lack of black republicans or black republican presidents, is gop racism.


Hard data shows that that is a race baiting lie, made by vile liars.

and I assume the reason why there is such overwhelming support by black voters for the Democrat party is because of Democrat racism??

You know, there is also overwhelming support for the Democrat party on behalf of Jewish voters too...is that because of Democrat Anti-Semitism??

If your friend told you that there was a party happening tonight and there were gonna be a bunch of ladies there -- then when you get there -- its only one lady there and 400 guys -- would that still be considered a party with a bunch of ladies there?

Nope. NOt at all. But it is not because the guys are fags who don't like the ladies.


Have you never been at a party, where there was as dearth of women, and it was not because the men there disliked women?


Why are you pretending to be stupid about this?

If you are going to deflect this badly -- just don't comment at all...

You purposely avoided 99% of what I said just to focus on the fact, you attended parties with no ladies there....most conservatives have...

But that is for your therapist to work thru with you.....

You took my point, that the lack of black republicans is not because of republican racism, and turned it into a strawman.


ie that my point somehow implied that the dems were. Which does not follow.


The republican party not having anti-black racism, in no way implies that the dems DO.


Watch this. I don't believe in bigfoot.


Does that statement read to you, like I am accusing you of believing in bigfoot?



My point stands. THere are reasons that we have not had a black republican president, yet. GOP racism is not one of those reasons.


AS proved by the 96 exit polls.

Let's cut to the chase.....

The reason there are so few black people voting republican, is the same reason why there are so few black people elected as republicans, and that its the same reason so many of you folks here have had a difficult time answering my question...

The reason is in large part due to the historical racism of conservatives....both in rhetoric and most importantly in POLICY....And those conservatives of course, now happens to be predominantly affiliated with the republican party...

This is why 2 republican party chairmen had to issue apologies and offer mea culpas to try to own up to this reality....and when they did, they were attacked and ran out of their positions.....but I will let a black republican explain this to you himself...

“For the last 40-plus years we had a 'Southern Strategy' that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South" -- The genteel phrase dates back to Nixon aide Kevin Phillips, who explained to The New York Times in 1970: “From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that.”

Michael Steele on Why African-Americans Should Vote Republican: âYou Really Don't Have a Reason to, to Be Honestâ

From Wonkette.On Tuesday, No. 1 successful adult Michael Steele, current chairman of the Republican National Committee, described the G.O.P.’s political offensive thusly: “For the last 40-plus years we had a 'Southern Strategy' that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male...

www.vanityfair.com

Remember, this guy was attacked for issuing an apology for use of the "Southern Strategy" -- he lost his position as GOP chairman even tho he helped republicans win more seats since 1928 and broke fund raising records.....and he still remains a republican because to him, the current racism of his party isn't a deal breaker for him....for many other black voters, it is a deal breaker...

THAK YOU!

These racists don't want to admit we are smarter than white racists and that we have decided en masse to not join a party full of racists. They'll get 2-3 percent of black people, because there are 2-3 percent of blacks who are dumb enough to ignore the racism. But until the republican party changes its leadership and begins rejecting its base to honestly reach out to black voters, thing will remain as they are, at least on the national level.

The 96 exit polls prove that the GOP is not full of racists. Racists would not be happy with the idea of a black man as President.

Your position is stupid.

By the way....what do those "republican voters" think about Collin Powell now??

When you morons are trotting out minstrels like Candace Owens as saviors of the "black conservative" movement -- how come no one is talking to Alan Keyes, JC Watts, the ones you told us where supposed to be saviors of the movement....

And why have you avoided what I said that not 1, but 2 republican party chairman apologized for using the racist southern strategy during the 60's, 70's on into the 80's...were they lying??

GOP renounces '60s racial strategy / Party chair says using divisive issues to win white vote was wrong

GOP renounces '60s racial strategy / Party chair says using divisive issues to win white...

www.sfgate.com

RNC Chair Michael Steele Confesses to Race-Based Southern Strategy

Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele made an admission, this week, that was both stunning and obvious. Speaking to a group of DePaul University students, Steele was asked why a black person should vote for a Republican. In responding, Steele put on the record the political...

www.mediaite.com

1. Since his betrayal? NOt much. Which does not change the fact that before his betrayal, republicans were really wanted him to run and be President, thus disproving your claim of racism.

2. Ever clip of Candice I see, she is kicking some libs ass. I don't see her as a savior of "black conservativism" so much as just a great conservative. I hope she sticks around forever, and keeps kicking lib ass. If she ever chooses to run for anything, I hope she does well.

3. Alan Keyes was set up for failure by the asshole Country Club Republicans, and flamed out. They did not do it because they are racist assholes, but because they are elitists assholes, who don't like hard core conservatives. YOu do understand that, right?

4. I'm not sure what happened with Watts.

5. I did not avoid it. I addressed it. THey were wrong to do so, and I support that fact that the one paid a price for his stupidity. THe Southern Strategy was a myth. The South became less racist and as that happened, it also became less democratic. Perhaps a coincidence.

If 2 DNC chairmen came out and issued a statement like that about Democrats -- would you say they were lying, would say it was a mistake, that it's a myth -- or would you be holding it up as proof of something??

Not only did those GOP chairmen issue apologies, then they went on to substantiate those apologies with actual FACTS of what THEIR PARTY ACTUALLY DID..

I just gave you the statement made by Nixon's advisor who ADMITTED that they lost "Negro" support due to the passage of the Civil Rights Act -- why would he feel that??

Furthermore, that has been the Republican strategy every since then -- to disregard the importance of growing the black vote by their policies -- and instead rely on enough self hating black folks to vote for them irregardless of their insistence on appealing to the racist white vote -- which they value over the black vote...period...

For some black republicans who mainly care about getting a possible tax cut if they are in a certain tax bracket -- they can ignore the racism...for some black republicans, there is a self hatred among them that getting that pat on the head for white folks is enough for them to put on a minstrel show

But the overwhelming majority of others -- their dignity and the sacrifices of those before them prevents them from being a minstrel for the edification of folks like you -- who can't even bring themselves to acknowledge that black person's reality because it makes you feel butt hurt...

1. So, you accept my point about the way the Powell support disproves your claims of gop racism? Cause brought it up and then dropped it immediately.


2. IF two DNC chairman did something like that, I would certainly present it as EVIDENCE of the thing they apologized for. But if the lefty I was talking to, claimed that they were wrong to do so, then I would take steps to prove that they were right to do so. It is time for you to give your single strongest point as evidence of the "Southern Strategy". No gish galloping bullshit please.


3. At a guess, I would think that the Nixon advisor was thinking of the way that Johnson was getting the credit for signing the bill, even though it has strong bi-partisan support in Congress.

4. The GOP did nothing for the "racist white vote", that is just you being a race baiting asshole.

5. The black vote began shifting to the dems, under FDR, in the 30s, because of the New Deal programs, a good thirty years before the dems stopped being the Party of Jim Crow. So, it was not "republican racism" that moved that change.

1. -- No I do not accept that point because of the point someone else pointed out earlier -- that you still haven't addressed.....

2. Not only was what the GOP chairmen admitted, evidence...I then went on to substantiate that further -- but since you suffer from cognitive dissonance and think gaslighting is a debate tactic -- you ignore all of the evidence and keep arguing bullshit..which is why everyone has slapped you up and down this post.....

3. That Nixon advisor was talking about the southern strategy...the same thing 2 GOP chairmen apologized for......LBJ got credit for signing the bill, but LBJ died decades ago...so my guess is that black voters continued to vote democrat because of the POLICIES, not because of LBJ or any other "PERSON" -- morons like you fixate on people and personalities because you know policy wise, you don't offer much to those black voters you have such disdain for...

4. Yes, the GOP did do much for the racist white vote.....here is another piece of evidence from another GOP strategist that you will most likely ignore because it will blow your delusions out of the water...again....there is a reason why what Lee Atwater said is so famous....first..because he was Reagan's advisor....and second.....because it is 1000% backed up by FACTS and republican policy....View attachment 315559


5. And here is when you morons start twisting yourselves into pretzels...."Democrats stopped being the party of Jim Crow" --- yes they did....conservatives didn't....one party was more open to appeasing those racist conservatives than the other.....So in other words, blacks supported policies and voted based on those policies...and because of that, its morons like you who call those black voters "slaves on a plantation" for voting for policies they support.....


I don't waste my time slapping you around because I think it will illicit an admission of wrong from you -- I do it so you will be reminded as to why that bullshit you running ain't working when it comes to your party growing the black vote...now go bathe or do something constructive

1. If the GOP was as racist as you claim, then the GOP voters would not have been supportive of a possible Powell President. The support showed by the gop voters for Powell, prove your accusations of racism wrong.


2. Steele was mistaken. He came along decades after the fact and was talking about shit he knew nothing about.

3. You are jumping all over the place here. Yes, Johnson got the credit for signing the bill, even though the republicans wrote it and supported it even more strongly than dems did. And you dems have been lying like that ever since.


4. Atwater,decades after the fact, talking about "Forced busing"? You know who enforced busing more than anyone else? Especially in the South? Richard Fucking Nixon. So much for pandering to the white racists. So much for Atwater.

5. We republicans were never the party of Jim Crow. YOu are full of shit.

1. I didn't say the GOP is racist because they didn't support a black candidate -- I asked you what possible black candidates would republicans support -- you couldn't name any....and the best you could do is offer a guy that you yourself called a traitor -- not for his role in the war in Iraq -- but because he said ""I Still See" The "Dark Vein" Of Racism In Repubicans & America" now if lifelong black republicans are saying that about their own party -- why would I care about what a closet racist thinks?

2. I like how you point out that Steele was mistaken, but I told you that 2 GOP chairmen said this...but since you probably want to pretend that Ken Mehlman never existed, you don't mention him....Ken Mehlman is also the same guy who apologized for the GOP's demonization of gays for political advantage...which was particularly pathetic in Ken's case, because he was gay....but, that is what self hate does to you...

3. Name the guy who you think wrote the "BI-PARTISAN BILL" -- and when you do...I will continue to make you look stupid...

4. So you are claiming that Richard Nixon was a champion against racism?? Bawahahahahaha....I know you hate the fact that its the Conservatives who are constantly on the wrong side of Civil Rights.....you lying about it won't change that reality...

5. You conservatives have ALWAYS been the party of Jim Crow -- I don't give a fuck about your party labels...

1. You have been saying lots of shit, and jumping back and forth. Alleged gop racism is a recurring accusation and my point stands. If the GOP was as racist as you claim, gop voters would not have supported a possibly Powell Presidency.


2. Steele was the one I remembered best. And he was wrong. The Southern Strategy has been debunked. It is a myth.


3. Ok,maybe not written by, but still certainly supported by, higher percentages than the dems.

4. YOU posted atwater making a claim about the supposed Southern Strategy ie to talk shit about "Forced busing". . Do you not think it is relevant that Nixon's ACTUAL POLICY WAS to massively do, "forced busing"?


5. No, you prefer ideological labels that change meaning massively over time. The better to lie with. The Dems were the party of Jim Crow, the NORTHER LIBERALS ALLIED WITH SOUTHERN RACISTS. When that alliance was broken, the South moved into play. But on other issues. THe republicans never wavered on civil rights. It is a lie to claim otherwise.

 

[Correll]

We're used to you being wrong pretty much all the time. And whiny. And tearful.

You say stupid shit like that, not when it is true, but when you are desperate to distract from how little you can say to support your position.


Exit polls are the Gold Standard of political polls. They showed that in 1996, the republican voters, along with a good sized chunk of Reagan Democrats, would have been happy to elect a black Republican President.


This of course, should be a moot historical point, because Powell choose not to run and very few blacks are even in the Republican Party.


But you can't admit it. Because you lib NEED your lie, that the Republican Party is terribly racist.


Because without that, you might have to make the case for your policies, based on their actual merits.


And you know, that you cannot.


You need to be able to cry "racist" and have the be the end of the debate.



Because, you know you can never win an actual, real debate.



That is what this is about. And you being a smug asshole about it, is just you being a smug asshole.

Dumbfuck, the thread questioned, "The First Black Republican Presidential Nominee Will Be....."

Someone who never ran for that office will NOT be that person.

Jeez, you're one mentally ill patient.

And I, and others pointed out, that the Republican HAVE the Presidency and the Vice Presidency. So it will be awhile before we have openings.


BUT, it is not because we are against the idea in principle. It has just not worked out that way yet.


Which was the point demonstrated by the Powell Exit Polls.


That was all explained. What part of that is too hard for you to understand?

The part where you delude yourself into believing a black man who never ran for president has a chance at being the first black Republican president.

I reject your pretense of you being too stupid to under stand the concept of linear time.


YOu are stupid, I will grant you that, but you are not so fucking profoundly retarded that you are too stupid to understand the concept that he had a very strong chance, at one time in the past.

That is my point. YOu are welcome to disagree with it, and explain why you disagree with it.


YOu are not welcome to pretend to be to stupid to read it and understand it. THAT IS NOT CREDIBLE. STOP FUCKING AROUND.

LOL

Dumbfuck, that's not what this thread asked. It didn't ask, which black wasn't nominated by the Republican party -- it asked who will be the first. Powell never ran, so Powell will not be the first. We're still waiting for the first. Maybe that will come in about another hundred years are so. In the meantime, buzz your nurse to come change your drool cup.

Trump is likely to be re-elected in 2020. THat's four more years right there. And Pence will almost certainly be the next candidate, so that's another four years after THAT.


And if he wins, it could be TWELVE years, until the next opening.

AND, actually, 16, because he would run for re-election, and likely lose.


It is pretty silly to try to guess that far ahead.


BUt it is worth noting, that the REASON FOR THE DELAY, IS NOT ONE OF PRINCIPLE, BUT JUST THE WAY IT WORKED OUT, AS DEMONSTRATED BY THE 96 EXIT POLLS.

LOLOL

You're literally making up this shit as you go along. It's not a given Impeached Trump will win this year. Even if he does, who knows if Pence will run in 2024. Going back to Carter, 3 VP's ran in the ensuing election and 3 did not. And even if Pence ran, you don't know that he would win. You also don't know who else might run against him, if that were to happen.

So now you're just inventing silly excuses for why the GOP has never nominated a black candidate.

How sad.

Hoping the sitting President is re-elected is not silly.

It happens a lot.

I would never offer you an "excuse" on ANYTHING. "Excuse" indicates I think that words or reason can effect your hate of anyone who stands in your way. We both know that is not true.


The OP, as admitted by the man that made it, is all about just smearing the GOP as racist.


Which it is not.

As demonstrated by the 96 exit polls, showing that Republican voters were fine with the idea of a Republican Black President.


That is the point of the thread and my refuting it, right there.

"Hoping the sitting President is re-elected is not silly."

That's not what I pointed out was silly. Dayum, you're a fucking moron.

In my world, I am hoping that we republicans don't have an opening for the slot, until, 2032.


I can't predict who will be ready for prime time by then.


But, i can point out, that in the past, as a Party we have been ready for one, if one had been offered. Which if the point of this thread was just vile race baiting, that would refute the point of the thread.


If that is NOT the point of the thread, then my point about the 96 polls is moot, and you guys won't care about it enough to even dispute it.


Cause, it's irrelevant to candidates moving forward. So, why would you carer enough to fight over it?

Besides you, no one cares what you hope for.

Meanwhile, here in reality, you could have a black nominee as soon as 2024. But that's not gonna happen because too many conservatives are still too racist.

And your point's been refuted even though it's not relevant to this thread. A poll does not nominate anyone. Anyone can easily say to someone's face taking the poll that the would have voted for Powell had he ran -- but actually voting for him in the secrecy of a ballot box is entirely different.

So, your position is that we can't have a black republican president because too many conservative voters are racist.



I knew that was the point of this thread. All you bs to the contrary, was just bs.


And that is why I keep going back to the documented with scientific polls that the Republican voters of 1996 would have been happy to have elected Powell.


Hell, even Biff has admitted that. Albeit with heavy spin.

Your claims of racism being the bar has been disproved.

Colin Powell - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"Powell's experience in military matters made him a very popular figure with both American political parties. Many Democrats admired his moderate stance on military matters, while many Republicans saw him as a great asset associated with the successes of past Republican administrations. Put forth as a potential Democratic Vice Presidential nominee in the 1992 U.S. presidential election[43] or even potentially replacing Vice President Dan Quayle as the Republican Vice Presidential nominee,[44] Powell eventually declared himself a Republican and began to campaign for Republican candidates in 1995.[45][46] He was touted as a possible opponent of Bill Clinton in the 1996 U.S. presidential election, possibly capitalizing on a split conservative vote in Iowa[47] and even leading New Hampshire polls for the GOP nomination,[48] but Powell declined, citing a lack of passion for politics.[49] Powell defeated Clinton 50–38 in a hypothetical match-up proposed to voters in the exit polls conducted on Election Day.[50] Despite not standing in the race, Powell won the Republican New Hampshire Vice-Presidential primary on write-in votes "

"Powell was mentioned as a potential candidate in the 2000 U.S. presidential election, but again decided against running.[53] Once Texas Governor George W. Bush secured the Republican nomination, Powell endorsed him for president and spoke at the 2000 Republican National Convention. Bush won the general election and appointed Powell as Secretary of State. "

So in other words -- you still can't talk about anyone else other than Powell...the guy you called a traitor for telling the truth about the republican party...

Can you tell me what was Powell's position on Social Security in 1996??

What about Powell's position on labor protections or Wall street de-regulation??

Bottom line is....Herman Cain ran for president...and he didn't get enough "REPUBLICAN SUPPORT" to win...

Alan Keyes ran for president and he didn't get enough "REPUBLICAN SUPPORT" to win....

Ben Carson ran for president and he didn't get enough "REPUBLICAN SUPPORT" to win....

And with every reiteration of a black "republican" candidate -- the candidates have been more and more minstrel like in their policies -- to the point it wasn't even about their polices, just whether or not they would parrot the talking points that appeases the closet racists.....so those closet racists can point at him and say -- "see, we got a black guy too"

1. Sure I can. And already have. And his complaints were not the truth. They were bullshit.

2. I don't recall Powell's positions on this issues from back then. As he was not running, I don't recall him publishing many position papers.

3. Herman Cain was dogpiled by the vile media, and his base, the Religious Right, in my opinion, were fools to give their bullshit accusations a shred of credibility.

4. Alan Keyes was set up by the Country Club Establishment Republicans who found him too conservative for their tastes.

5. Carson was just too nice, during a period of time, when that is seen as weakness. Be that as it may, if he had won the primaries, he would have happily gotten my vote.

6. Your perception of how we republicans view our candidates is just you assuming bad shit about people you don't like. My friends who were big Powell supporters, really liked his military background. I really liked the way Cain dumped on the vile media, one of the things I like about Trump today. Keyes? Don'tn know any big Keyes partisans.

7.ALL YOU HAVE IS RACE BAITING.