Support Israel? Yes or no?

[Lipush]

Why doesn't the civilized world follow that logic? because the civilized world is not the Middle East. In here, the more "humanity" and "charity" you show, the more they see it as weakness and attack you. Welcome to our neighborhood.

Pfft. That's a convenient excuse for Israel to hold and expand on land it never had any intention of giving back from the beginning. Be honest and call it what it is - theft. Don't pretend there is anything more noble than that.

In order for it to be theft, there needs to be an actual entity from which this was stolen. Look at the west bank, for instant. To who it beloged? Palestine? rubbish, of course, as there was never an actual state called Palestine. Jordan? nah ah, as Jordan itself occupied it illegaly, starting from 48. So if I didn't take it from any actual owner, since there was no owner of this, how can you call me a thief?

Jordan? nah ah, as Jordan itself occupied it illegaly, starting from 48.​

Whose land did Jordan occupy? If it was nobodies, why couldn't they just say it was theirs? And if it was nobodies, why is it occupied Palestinian territory now?

You cannot call occupation to something that is ownerless. And they (Jordan) never claimed it because it was never theirs, that's the things exactly. Why do their call it "Palestinian occupied territory"? for the same reason people belive Palestinians are originated in Philistines. Because they're misinformed.

The Palestinians are among the original inhabitants of the area. Arguing otherwise is as fruitless as arguing that Jews weren't among the original inhabitants. Those arguments resolve nothing except to feed hate.

I don't say they were original inhabitants (even though this point can be argued about), I say I don't appreciate their solution to the problem, which is all Jews in sea.

 

[montelatici]

Unfortunately, while there may have been some way to reconcile 2 decades ago, I don't think the Jews will be able to have a South Africa type future in Palestine, it will be more like Rhodesia since the Jewish hardliners started emulating Ian Smith.

 

[Phoenall]

SO SAYS INTERNATIONAL LAW THAT YOU IGNORE BECAUSE IT DESTROYS YOUR pov

I don't ignore international law. You post stuff that does not say what you think.

You deny that in 1923 the sovereign land owners partitioned the land and gave 1% to the Jews as their NATIONal home. This became an international law at the time and because it works in the Jews favour you deny it exists.

The LoN never annexed or otherwise claimed ownership. They did not have any land to give away and they did not.

How many times have you been proven wrong on this now. You are applying laws from the 1980's to what happened 65 years prior to them being invented. The signing of the surrender terms was the claim of ownership and transfer of sovereignty, if it wasn't then they could not transfer the land to the arab muslims and the land would still be Ottoman.
You are showing just how idiotic you by pushing this islamonazi bullshit propaganda all the time.

It is you who is wrong. You only believe that the land was given to the Jews because you get all of your information from Israeli propaganda sources.

Show me where the land was given to the Jews from a source that is not connected to Israel.

Will the UN do ? Or an American university ?



The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and

Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and

Whereas by the afore-mentioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League Of Nations;

confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows:

 

[Phoenall]

Unfortunately, while there may have been some way to reconcile 2 decades ago, I don't think the Jews will be able to have a South Africa type future in Palestine, it will be more like Rhodesia since the Jewish hardliners started emulating Ian Smith.

More off topic spamming and trolling

 

[P F Tinmore]

I don't ignore international law. You post stuff that does not say what you think.

You deny that in 1923 the sovereign land owners partitioned the land and gave 1% to the Jews as their NATIONal home. This became an international law at the time and because it works in the Jews favour you deny it exists.

The LoN never annexed or otherwise claimed ownership. They did not have any land to give away and they did not.

How many times have you been proven wrong on this now. You are applying laws from the 1980's to what happened 65 years prior to them being invented. The signing of the surrender terms was the claim of ownership and transfer of sovereignty, if it wasn't then they could not transfer the land to the arab muslims and the land would still be Ottoman.
You are showing just how idiotic you by pushing this islamonazi bullshit propaganda all the time.

It is you who is wrong. You only believe that the land was given to the Jews because you get all of your information from Israeli propaganda sources.

Show me where the land was given to the Jews from a source that is not connected to Israel.

Will the UN do ? Or an American university ?



The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and

Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and

Whereas by the afore-mentioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League Of Nations;

confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows:

Here is the problem. You do not know what that means. Israeli propaganda has misinterpreted that for you.

 

[eagle1462010]

Proud Infidel here again...................I support Israel and their right to exist.............

If the Pali's keep messing with the Bull..........then they are gonna get the horns..................Stop Terrorism and choose peace or die.................

Not CONVERT OR DIE which is their freaking theme.

 

[Billo_Really]

I'd rather have my boot on their neck than their knife in mine.

Take your boot off their neck and they won't want to knife you.

 

[eagle1462010]

I'd rather have my boot on their neck than their knife in mine.

Take your boot off their neck and they won't want to knife you.

Break the neck and they no longer are able to use the knife..................

 

[Billo_Really]

Break the neck and they no longer are able to use the knife..................

More proof they are not the problem..................YOU ARE!

 

[eagle1462010]

Break the neck and they no longer are able to use the knife..................

More proof they are not the problem..................YOU ARE!

They shoot rockets, commit terror attacks, and they get what they deserve..................

 

[Billo_Really]

They shoot rockets, commit terror attacks, and they get what they deserve..................

There have been 696 attacks by the IDF since the ceasefire, only 29 was in response to rockets.

So **** you! The rockets are in response to Israeli aggression.

 

[Phoenall]

You deny that in 1923 the sovereign land owners partitioned the land and gave 1% to the Jews as their NATIONal home. This became an international law at the time and because it works in the Jews favour you deny it exists.

The LoN never annexed or otherwise claimed ownership. They did not have any land to give away and they did not.

How many times have you been proven wrong on this now. You are applying laws from the 1980's to what happened 65 years prior to them being invented. The signing of the surrender terms was the claim of ownership and transfer of sovereignty, if it wasn't then they could not transfer the land to the arab muslims and the land would still be Ottoman.
You are showing just how idiotic you by pushing this islamonazi bullshit propaganda all the time.

It is you who is wrong. You only believe that the land was given to the Jews because you get all of your information from Israeli propaganda sources.

Show me where the land was given to the Jews from a source that is not connected to Israel.

Will the UN do ? Or an American university ?



The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and

Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and

Whereas by the afore-mentioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League Of Nations;

confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows:

Here is the problem. You do not know what that means. Israeli propaganda has misinterpreted that for you.

The problem is the authors made it very clear what it meant and it is you islamonazi stooges that are trying to misinterpret the Mandate of Palestine. So much so that you confuse the Mandate of Palestine with the British Mandate.

The highlighted part sums it up perfectly what the LoN had in mind and why they placed it in a treaty that became INTERNATIONAL LAW

 

[Phoenall]

I'd rather have my boot on their neck than their knife in mine.

Take your boot off their neck and they won't want to knife you.

PROOF as the evidence over the last 20 years shows that you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[Phoenall]

I'd rather have my boot on their neck than their knife in mine.

Take your boot off their neck and they won't want to knife you.

PROOF as the evidence over the last 20 years shows that you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[Phoenall]

Break the neck and they no longer are able to use the knife..................

More proof they are not the problem..................YOU ARE!

So you wanting to nuke Israel is not also the problem ?

 

[Phoenall]

They shoot rockets, commit terror attacks, and they get what they deserve..................

There have been 696 attacks by the IDF since the ceasefire, only 29 was in response to rockets.

So **** you! The rockets are in response to Israeli aggression.

And no link to show this is true. I wonder how many were in response to breaches of the ceasefire or to actions outside gaza ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The LoN never annexed or otherwise claimed ownership. They did not have any land to give away and they did not.

How many times have you been proven wrong on this now. You are applying laws from the 1980's to what happened 65 years prior to them being invented. The signing of the surrender terms was the claim of ownership and transfer of sovereignty, if it wasn't then they could not transfer the land to the arab muslims and the land would still be Ottoman.
You are showing just how idiotic you by pushing this islamonazi bullshit propaganda all the time.

It is you who is wrong. You only believe that the land was given to the Jews because you get all of your information from Israeli propaganda sources.

Show me where the land was given to the Jews from a source that is not connected to Israel.

Will the UN do ? Or an American university ?



The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and

Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and

Whereas by the afore-mentioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League Of Nations;

confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows:

Here is the problem. You do not know what that means. Israeli propaganda has misinterpreted that for you.

The problem is the authors made it very clear what it meant and it is you islamonazi stooges that are trying to misinterpret the Mandate of Palestine. So much so that you confuse the Mandate of Palestine with the British Mandate.

The highlighted part sums it up perfectly what the LoN had in mind and why they placed it in a treaty that became INTERNATIONAL LAW

Look at the documents of the time and what they don't say. Look at the Balfour Declaration, San Remo, the Treaty of Lausanne, the LoN Covenant, and the Mandate Charter. Neither Israel nor a Jewish state were mentioned. There was no mention of exclusive rights or exclusive sovereignty for the Jews. There were no transfers of land or exclusive use of land mentioned. In fact all of these point away from a Jewish state.

 

[Phoenall]

How many times have you been proven wrong on this now. You are applying laws from the 1980's to what happened 65 years prior to them being invented. The signing of the surrender terms was the claim of ownership and transfer of sovereignty, if it wasn't then they could not transfer the land to the arab muslims and the land would still be Ottoman.
You are showing just how idiotic you by pushing this islamonazi bullshit propaganda all the time.

It is you who is wrong. You only believe that the land was given to the Jews because you get all of your information from Israeli propaganda sources.

Show me where the land was given to the Jews from a source that is not connected to Israel.

Will the UN do ? Or an American university ?



The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and

Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and

Whereas by the afore-mentioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League Of Nations;

confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows:

Here is the problem. You do not know what that means. Israeli propaganda has misinterpreted that for you.

The problem is the authors made it very clear what it meant and it is you islamonazi stooges that are trying to misinterpret the Mandate of Palestine. So much so that you confuse the Mandate of Palestine with the British Mandate.

The highlighted part sums it up perfectly what the LoN had in mind and why they placed it in a treaty that became INTERNATIONAL LAW

Look at the documents of the time and what they don't say. Look at the Balfour Declaration, San Remo, the Treaty of Lausanne, the LoN Covenant, and the Mandate Charter. Neither Israel nor a Jewish state were mentioned. There was no mention of exclusive rights or exclusive sovereignty for the Jews. There were no transfers of land or exclusive use of land mentioned. In fact all of these point away from a Jewish state.

try again only this time engage your brain. As soon as NATIONal home for the Jews is mentioned that implies a state or nation for the Jews, that is what the NATION in NATIONAL means. What is not mentioned until 1923 is a national home for the arab muslms.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It is you who is wrong. You only believe that the land was given to the Jews because you get all of your information from Israeli propaganda sources.

Show me where the land was given to the Jews from a source that is not connected to Israel.

Will the UN do ? Or an American university ?



The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and

Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and

Whereas by the afore-mentioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League Of Nations;

confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows:

Here is the problem. You do not know what that means. Israeli propaganda has misinterpreted that for you.

The problem is the authors made it very clear what it meant and it is you islamonazi stooges that are trying to misinterpret the Mandate of Palestine. So much so that you confuse the Mandate of Palestine with the British Mandate.

The highlighted part sums it up perfectly what the LoN had in mind and why they placed it in a treaty that became INTERNATIONAL LAW

Look at the documents of the time and what they don't say. Look at the Balfour Declaration, San Remo, the Treaty of Lausanne, the LoN Covenant, and the Mandate Charter. Neither Israel nor a Jewish state were mentioned. There was no mention of exclusive rights or exclusive sovereignty for the Jews. There were no transfers of land or exclusive use of land mentioned. In fact all of these point away from a Jewish state.

try again only this time engage your brain. As soon as NATIONal home for the Jews is mentioned that implies a state or nation for the Jews, that is what the NATION in NATIONAL means. What is not mentioned until 1923 is a national home for the arab muslms.

Oh but it was. The interpretation of the Jewish National Home was to be Palestinian citizenship in Palestine with the other Palestinians.

 

[Phoenall]

Will the UN do ? Or an American university ?



The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and

Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and

Whereas by the afore-mentioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League Of Nations;

confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows:

Here is the problem. You do not know what that means. Israeli propaganda has misinterpreted that for you.

The problem is the authors made it very clear what it meant and it is you islamonazi stooges that are trying to misinterpret the Mandate of Palestine. So much so that you confuse the Mandate of Palestine with the British Mandate.

The highlighted part sums it up perfectly what the LoN had in mind and why they placed it in a treaty that became INTERNATIONAL LAW

Look at the documents of the time and what they don't say. Look at the Balfour Declaration, San Remo, the Treaty of Lausanne, the LoN Covenant, and the Mandate Charter. Neither Israel nor a Jewish state were mentioned. There was no mention of exclusive rights or exclusive sovereignty for the Jews. There were no transfers of land or exclusive use of land mentioned. In fact all of these point away from a Jewish state.

try again only this time engage your brain. As soon as NATIONal home for the Jews is mentioned that implies a state or nation for the Jews, that is what the NATION in NATIONAL means. What is not mentioned until 1923 is a national home for the arab muslms.

Oh but it was. The interpretation of the Jewish National Home was to be Palestinian citizenship in Palestine with the other Palestinians.

And the other palestinians turned it down so the LoN went ahead with just the Jews. As it happens in 1948 the Jews declared independence and ended up with arab muslims, Christians and atheists as well as Jews as citizens of Israel. So that was actually fulfilled.


try reading the LoN mandate and the annual reports in full and you will see that the arab muslims turned against themselves and shot themselves in the foot