Stimulus Checks 2? Or "Go Forth and DIE!"

[justinacolmena]

You have socialist food banks. What more do you want ?

People are nice and sociable, and they all want to help out somebody who's less fortunate, but there's no help wanted ads anywhere, and not even the wealthiest of them will give us a paying job to do no matter what.

America hasnt known capitalism for ages.

Alaska Mental Health Trust Authority - Alaska Mental Health Trust

The Alaska Mental Health Trust Authority provides leadership in advocacy, planning, implementing and funding of services for Trust beneficiaries.

alaskamentalhealthtrust.org

There's a state mental health trust authority and they won't let us possess or carry firearms or own or dispose of real property in federal court anymore.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

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Stimulus Checks 2? Or "Go Forth and DIE!"

I’ll go with Histrionic-Laden False Dichotomies for $1,000, Alex.

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Trump is talking about opening up the economy again. The number of deaths be damned. I disagree.

That's if you believe we can't open the economy back up without massive spread of Covid. If people take reasonable precautions, wash hands a lot, when not capable, use hand sanitizer, wear masks, I think we can get by.

Maybe we should at least wait until people can get some god damned protective equipment. Most of the people I see have to use home made masks. That isn't good enough. On another note, those masks that have the little ventilator in front are like "**** you" masks. They will filter the air that goes in. But the air that gets breathed out just goes out the vent. That isn't good enough. It also drives me crazy when I see people wearing a mask that isn't covering their nose. Your mouth and nose are just two different openings to the same hole. It would be better if they had a mask that just covered their nose and kept their mouths shut.

Here is the problem with all this: First of all, it seems to be politically divided. Secondly, there is no evidence that shutdowns have had any better results than non-shutdown countries or states. In fact, some statistics suggest that states and countries in Europe who didn't shut down had better results than those that did.

Now I'm not saying this as a 25 year old kid who participates in mixed martial arts, I say this as a 60 year old with several compromising health conditions; one of them the most deadliest when combined with the Covid virus. Until we have evidence that shutdowns could end this thing, then my opinion is open everything up, and use reasonable precautions as I do. I don't like doing it, but I also don't want to see millions suffer because of people like me.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You can stop being a moron at any time now. Why are people killing themselves? Because rather than give them the financial help they need, the government decided to throw them on the trash heap. Why? Because it's cheaper!!!!! Both you and president Chump suck in that regard.

People have always killed themselves. In our country, the number one cause of death. Who did the government throw on the trash heap? If you worked, lost your job, then you get unemployment in every state I'm aware of. And if you got that unemployment, you are likely making more money because of what the federal government is doing.

 

[Nosmo King]

Its time to get back to work. The virus is waning if we can keep it going down.
The summer heat is almost here. Lets hope the virus keeps slowing, and slowing, and slowing....
View attachment 336171

Are you an epidemiologist?

No but I play one on forums. Why do you ask?

Because you're offering up advise actual epidemiologists warn against. You are abetting the death of expertise.

This pandemic is not just a medical emergency, its also an economic emergency.
How many US jobs can be lost, and businesses go bankrupt before we enter a new "Great Depression"?
Ever hear of a term called the "Law of Diminishing Returns"? Its when the cure is worse than the disease.

Diminishing returns - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The government needs to balance the economic effects with the disease effects. Both patients need to be saved.

This has been my position as well.

At this point, are we not doing more harm than good? People are losing their entire lives, because we have shut down our economy, and that doesn't include the real future damage of government spending.

I don't see this as being a good trade off.

There will be a lot more people starving and living under bridges in CA since stupid Newsome is keeping the state closed thru August?!
Some governors just don't get it, then again, the people get the government they vote for, serves them right to suffer. Keep voting democrats in.

Republican and democrat are just two different sides of the same coin. Also, don't want to live under a bridge? Don't move out. Many states (if not all) have made it illegal to evict people due to the coronavirus mess. So that argument fails.

Ugh....

If you get foreclosed on, you may not be evicted immediately... but you will be evicted.

You might not be homeless tomorrow... but you will end up homeless at some point if you don't pay the mortgage.

And if by some insanity, they make it so you can never be evicted, whether you pay your mortgage or not, that will cause such a massive devastation across this country, that we will have happy dreams of the Sub-prime recession days of Obama.

That's right. Crack that ******* whip! Asshole. Kill the landlords. That is the solution. **** them and their wealth. People shouldn't be made homeless because of something beyond their control. And I don't give a shit about what it does to anybody's 401K or the stock market. National Socialism can fix all the troubles.

Yeah, the Soviets tried that, and the result was millions dead as the entire economy imploded.

You really are that stupid?

Think about it. Do you have money to upkeep a large condo building? No? And just killed the guy who did?

Now what?

Abandoned buildings, and people are homeless.

Good job idiot. You just sent millions to be homeless. Brilliant move moron.

You have no clue about history. Real history. The worst part is that you likely don't want to know.

You mean the part of history where we didn't all die from the flu?

That's my favorite part.

Leave it to the self centered, heartless Trumpians to marginalized and dismiss 94,000 dead Americans.

 

[WEATHER53]

Its time to get back to work. The virus is waning if we can keep it going down.
The summer heat is almost here. Lets hope the virus keeps slowing, and slowing, and slowing....
View attachment 336171

Are you an epidemiologist?

No but I play one on forums. Why do you ask?

Because you're offering up advise actual epidemiologists warn against. You are abetting the death of expertise.

This pandemic is not just a medical emergency, its also an economic emergency.
How many US jobs can be lost, and businesses go bankrupt before we enter a new "Great Depression"?
Ever hear of a term called the "Law of Diminishing Returns"? Its when the cure is worse than the disease.

Diminishing returns - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The government needs to balance the economic effects with the disease effects. Both patients need to be saved.

This has been my position as well.

At this point, are we not doing more harm than good? People are losing their entire lives, because we have shut down our economy, and that doesn't include the real future damage of government spending.

I don't see this as being a good trade off.

There will be a lot more people starving and living under bridges in CA since stupid Newsome is keeping the state closed thru August?!
Some governors just don't get it, then again, the people get the government they vote for, serves them right to suffer. Keep voting democrats in.

Republican and democrat are just two different sides of the same coin. Also, don't want to live under a bridge? Don't move out. Many states (if not all) have made it illegal to evict people due to the coronavirus mess. So that argument fails.

Ugh....

If you get foreclosed on, you may not be evicted immediately... but you will be evicted.

You might not be homeless tomorrow... but you will end up homeless at some point if you don't pay the mortgage.

And if by some insanity, they make it so you can never be evicted, whether you pay your mortgage or not, that will cause such a massive devastation across this country, that we will have happy dreams of the Sub-prime recession days of Obama.

That's right. Crack that ******* whip! Asshole. Kill the landlords. That is the solution. **** them and their wealth. People shouldn't be made homeless because of something beyond their control. And I don't give a shit about what it does to anybody's 401K or the stock market. National Socialism can fix all the troubles.

Yeah, the Soviets tried that, and the result was millions dead as the entire economy imploded.

You really are that stupid?

Think about it. Do you have money to upkeep a large condo building? No? And just killed the guy who did?

Now what?

Abandoned buildings, and people are homeless.

Good job idiot. You just sent millions to be homeless. Brilliant move moron.

You have no clue about history. Real history. The worst part is that you likely don't want to know.

You mean the part of history where we didn't all die from the flu?

That's my favorite part.

Leave it to the self centered, heartless Trumpians to marginalized and dismiss 94,000 dead Americans.

We simply provide the stats and facts and you slather on the emotion

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

People are nice and sociable, and they all want to help out somebody who's less fortunate, but there's no help wanted ads anywhere, and not even the wealthiest of them will give us a paying job to do no matter what.

Not true. My former industry is always looking for people. Some companies are even willing to train and license you if you sign a contract with them.

cleveland transportation jobs - craigslist

cleveland transportation jobs - craigslist

cleveland.craigslist.org

Mind you, most of these ads are just for my area. Nationwide, you have an even larger selection of jobs.

 

[fncceo]

Its time to get back to work. The virus is waning if we can keep it going down.
The summer heat is almost here. Lets hope the virus keeps slowing, and slowing, and slowing....
View attachment 336171

Are you an epidemiologist?

No but I play one on forums. Why do you ask?

Because you're offering up advise actual epidemiologists warn against. You are abetting the death of expertise.

This pandemic is not just a medical emergency, its also an economic emergency.
How many US jobs can be lost, and businesses go bankrupt before we enter a new "Great Depression"?
Ever hear of a term called the "Law of Diminishing Returns"? Its when the cure is worse than the disease.

Diminishing returns - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The government needs to balance the economic effects with the disease effects. Both patients need to be saved.

This has been my position as well.

At this point, are we not doing more harm than good? People are losing their entire lives, because we have shut down our economy, and that doesn't include the real future damage of government spending.

I don't see this as being a good trade off.

There will be a lot more people starving and living under bridges in CA since stupid Newsome is keeping the state closed thru August?!
Some governors just don't get it, then again, the people get the government they vote for, serves them right to suffer. Keep voting democrats in.

Republican and democrat are just two different sides of the same coin. Also, don't want to live under a bridge? Don't move out. Many states (if not all) have made it illegal to evict people due to the coronavirus mess. So that argument fails.

Ugh....

If you get foreclosed on, you may not be evicted immediately... but you will be evicted.

You might not be homeless tomorrow... but you will end up homeless at some point if you don't pay the mortgage.

And if by some insanity, they make it so you can never be evicted, whether you pay your mortgage or not, that will cause such a massive devastation across this country, that we will have happy dreams of the Sub-prime recession days of Obama.

That's right. Crack that ******* whip! Asshole. Kill the landlords. That is the solution. **** them and their wealth. People shouldn't be made homeless because of something beyond their control. And I don't give a shit about what it does to anybody's 401K or the stock market. National Socialism can fix all the troubles.

Yeah, the Soviets tried that, and the result was millions dead as the entire economy imploded.

You really are that stupid?

Think about it. Do you have money to upkeep a large condo building? No? And just killed the guy who did?

Now what?

Abandoned buildings, and people are homeless.

Good job idiot. You just sent millions to be homeless. Brilliant move moron.

You have no clue about history. Real history. The worst part is that you likely don't want to know.

You mean the part of history where we didn't all die from the flu?

That's my favorite part.

Leave it to the self centered, heartless Trumpians to marginalized and dismiss 94,000 dead Americans.

I don't dismiss anything. I won't destroy the lives of millions because thousands die from a natural, unpreventable, natural disaster.

But, you're right, I am heartless...

 

[Jimmy_Chitwood]

You have socialist food banks. What more do you want ?

Shove your scraps up your ass. You stand in line. If I had my way about it, if people are hungry, give them food stamps.

who is stopping you from giving out money to the hungry?

 

[Nosmo King]

Its time to get back to work. The virus is waning if we can keep it going down.
The summer heat is almost here. Lets hope the virus keeps slowing, and slowing, and slowing....
View attachment 336171

Are you an epidemiologist?

No but I play one on forums. Why do you ask?

Because you're offering up advise actual epidemiologists warn against. You are abetting the death of expertise.

This pandemic is not just a medical emergency, its also an economic emergency.
How many US jobs can be lost, and businesses go bankrupt before we enter a new "Great Depression"?
Ever hear of a term called the "Law of Diminishing Returns"? Its when the cure is worse than the disease.

Diminishing returns - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The government needs to balance the economic effects with the disease effects. Both patients need to be saved.

This has been my position as well.

At this point, are we not doing more harm than good? People are losing their entire lives, because we have shut down our economy, and that doesn't include the real future damage of government spending.

I don't see this as being a good trade off.

There will be a lot more people starving and living under bridges in CA since stupid Newsome is keeping the state closed thru August?!
Some governors just don't get it, then again, the people get the government they vote for, serves them right to suffer. Keep voting democrats in.

Republican and democrat are just two different sides of the same coin. Also, don't want to live under a bridge? Don't move out. Many states (if not all) have made it illegal to evict people due to the coronavirus mess. So that argument fails.

Ugh....

If you get foreclosed on, you may not be evicted immediately... but you will be evicted.

You might not be homeless tomorrow... but you will end up homeless at some point if you don't pay the mortgage.

And if by some insanity, they make it so you can never be evicted, whether you pay your mortgage or not, that will cause such a massive devastation across this country, that we will have happy dreams of the Sub-prime recession days of Obama.

That's right. Crack that ******* whip! Asshole. Kill the landlords. That is the solution. **** them and their wealth. People shouldn't be made homeless because of something beyond their control. And I don't give a shit about what it does to anybody's 401K or the stock market. National Socialism can fix all the troubles.

Yeah, the Soviets tried that, and the result was millions dead as the entire economy imploded.

You really are that stupid?

Think about it. Do you have money to upkeep a large condo building? No? And just killed the guy who did?

Now what?

Abandoned buildings, and people are homeless.

Good job idiot. You just sent millions to be homeless. Brilliant move moron.

You have no clue about history. Real history. The worst part is that you likely don't want to know.

You mean the part of history where we didn't all die from the flu?

That's my favorite part.

Leave it to the self centered, heartless Trumpians to marginalized and dismiss 94,000 dead Americans.

I don't dismiss anything. I won't destroy the lives of millions because thousands die from a natural, unpreventable, natural disaster.

But, you're right, I am heartless...

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You just don't mind spreading the contagion and guaranteeing more deaths.

 

[Nosmo King]

Its time to get back to work. The virus is waning if we can keep it going down.
The summer heat is almost here. Lets hope the virus keeps slowing, and slowing, and slowing....
View attachment 336171

Are you an epidemiologist?

No but I play one on forums. Why do you ask?

Because you're offering up advise actual epidemiologists warn against. You are abetting the death of expertise.

This pandemic is not just a medical emergency, its also an economic emergency.
How many US jobs can be lost, and businesses go bankrupt before we enter a new "Great Depression"?
Ever hear of a term called the "Law of Diminishing Returns"? Its when the cure is worse than the disease.

Diminishing returns - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The government needs to balance the economic effects with the disease effects. Both patients need to be saved.

This has been my position as well.

At this point, are we not doing more harm than good? People are losing their entire lives, because we have shut down our economy, and that doesn't include the real future damage of government spending.

I don't see this as being a good trade off.

There will be a lot more people starving and living under bridges in CA since stupid Newsome is keeping the state closed thru August?!
Some governors just don't get it, then again, the people get the government they vote for, serves them right to suffer. Keep voting democrats in.

Republican and democrat are just two different sides of the same coin. Also, don't want to live under a bridge? Don't move out. Many states (if not all) have made it illegal to evict people due to the coronavirus mess. So that argument fails.

Ugh....

If you get foreclosed on, you may not be evicted immediately... but you will be evicted.

You might not be homeless tomorrow... but you will end up homeless at some point if you don't pay the mortgage.

And if by some insanity, they make it so you can never be evicted, whether you pay your mortgage or not, that will cause such a massive devastation across this country, that we will have happy dreams of the Sub-prime recession days of Obama.

That's right. Crack that ******* whip! Asshole. Kill the landlords. That is the solution. **** them and their wealth. People shouldn't be made homeless because of something beyond their control. And I don't give a shit about what it does to anybody's 401K or the stock market. National Socialism can fix all the troubles.

Yeah, the Soviets tried that, and the result was millions dead as the entire economy imploded.

You really are that stupid?

Think about it. Do you have money to upkeep a large condo building? No? And just killed the guy who did?

Now what?

Abandoned buildings, and people are homeless.

Good job idiot. You just sent millions to be homeless. Brilliant move moron.

You have no clue about history. Real history. The worst part is that you likely don't want to know.

You mean the part of history where we didn't all die from the flu?

That's my favorite part.

Leave it to the self centered, heartless Trumpians to marginalized and dismiss 94,000 dead Americans.

We simply provide the stats and facts and you slather on the emotion

As if emotion itself can be dismissed. Remember 9/11?

 

[fncceo]

Its time to get back to work. The virus is waning if we can keep it going down.
The summer heat is almost here. Lets hope the virus keeps slowing, and slowing, and slowing....
View attachment 336171

Are you an epidemiologist?

No but I play one on forums. Why do you ask?

Because you're offering up advise actual epidemiologists warn against. You are abetting the death of expertise.

This pandemic is not just a medical emergency, its also an economic emergency.
How many US jobs can be lost, and businesses go bankrupt before we enter a new "Great Depression"?
Ever hear of a term called the "Law of Diminishing Returns"? Its when the cure is worse than the disease.

Diminishing returns - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The government needs to balance the economic effects with the disease effects. Both patients need to be saved.

This has been my position as well.

At this point, are we not doing more harm than good? People are losing their entire lives, because we have shut down our economy, and that doesn't include the real future damage of government spending.

I don't see this as being a good trade off.

There will be a lot more people starving and living under bridges in CA since stupid Newsome is keeping the state closed thru August?!
Some governors just don't get it, then again, the people get the government they vote for, serves them right to suffer. Keep voting democrats in.

Republican and democrat are just two different sides of the same coin. Also, don't want to live under a bridge? Don't move out. Many states (if not all) have made it illegal to evict people due to the coronavirus mess. So that argument fails.

Ugh....

If you get foreclosed on, you may not be evicted immediately... but you will be evicted.

You might not be homeless tomorrow... but you will end up homeless at some point if you don't pay the mortgage.

And if by some insanity, they make it so you can never be evicted, whether you pay your mortgage or not, that will cause such a massive devastation across this country, that we will have happy dreams of the Sub-prime recession days of Obama.

That's right. Crack that ******* whip! Asshole. Kill the landlords. That is the solution. **** them and their wealth. People shouldn't be made homeless because of something beyond their control. And I don't give a shit about what it does to anybody's 401K or the stock market. National Socialism can fix all the troubles.

Yeah, the Soviets tried that, and the result was millions dead as the entire economy imploded.

You really are that stupid?

Think about it. Do you have money to upkeep a large condo building? No? And just killed the guy who did?

Now what?

Abandoned buildings, and people are homeless.

Good job idiot. You just sent millions to be homeless. Brilliant move moron.

You have no clue about history. Real history. The worst part is that you likely don't want to know.

You mean the part of history where we didn't all die from the flu?

That's my favorite part.

Leave it to the self centered, heartless Trumpians to marginalized and dismiss 94,000 dead Americans.

We simply provide the stats and facts and you slather on the emotion

As if emotion itself can be dismissed. Remember 9/11?

Unless you subscribe to a very rare conspiracy theory, 9/11 wasn't a natural disaster. I was a deliberate attack on the American people.

 

[Andylusion]

Its time to get back to work. The virus is waning if we can keep it going down.
The summer heat is almost here. Lets hope the virus keeps slowing, and slowing, and slowing....
View attachment 336171

From what I have been seeing on the news, many states are reopening even though the cases of coronavirus is still increasing. Also, how many instances of coronavirus in this country did it take to get the whole ball rolling to begin with. 2 or 3?

Then why isn't the pandemic still going out of control in the NYC area?
Its going down, with 1,417,350 US cases, how can it go down with so many active cases, not just 1 or 2?

Because of quarantine. With the 2 or 3 who got the whole plague rolling here, there was no quarantine.

Yes there most certainly was a quarantine here, for travelers from China, but not from Europe?!
Quarantine? Not all of the 1.4m are quarantined, so why isn't the pandemic still going out of control in the NYC area?
You did not answer this question: What's a worse condition, 1.4m cases or a few?
We have the 1.4m now and the number of cases is going down, why? How can that be?

President Chump just didn't handle things well. And he still isn't.

Really? So what should he have done? I'll show you why he couldn't or didn't.

Well, president Chump could have started out by not calling the coronavirus a hoax at the beginning.

He never did. You are just a Jessie Smollett liar.

See this is how we all know, that we are just flat out better people than you. We don't have to make up lies, to justify ourselves like you do.

I actually heard with my own ears his voice saying that. You are the liar.

Post the clip.

 

[Andylusion]

Its time to get back to work. The virus is waning if we can keep it going down.
The summer heat is almost here. Lets hope the virus keeps slowing, and slowing, and slowing....
View attachment 336171

From what I have been seeing on the news, many states are reopening even though the cases of coronavirus is still increasing. Also, how many instances of coronavirus in this country did it take to get the whole ball rolling to begin with. 2 or 3?

Then why isn't the pandemic still going out of control in the NYC area?
Its going down, with 1,417,350 US cases, how can it go down with so many active cases, not just 1 or 2?

Because of quarantine. With the 2 or 3 who got the whole plague rolling here, there was no quarantine.

Yes there most certainly was a quarantine here, for travelers from China, but not from Europe?!
Quarantine? Not all of the 1.4m are quarantined, so why isn't the pandemic still going out of control in the NYC area?
You did not answer this question: What's a worse condition, 1.4m cases or a few?
We have the 1.4m now and the number of cases is going down, why? How can that be?

President Chump just didn't handle things well. And he still isn't.

Really? So what should he have done? I'll show you why he couldn't or didn't.

Well, president Chump could have started out by not calling the coronavirus a hoax at the beginning.

He never did. You are just a Jessie Smollett liar.

See this is how we all know, that we are just flat out better people than you. We don't have to make up lies, to justify ourselves like you do.

I actually heard with my own ears his voice saying that. You are the liar.

Even your own left-wing sources say, Trump didn't say it was a hoax.

Did President Trump Refer to the Coronavirus as a 'Hoax'?

Trump's commentary on the new coronavirus came before the virus began killing patients in the U.S.

www.snopes.com

What's True
During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax." During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu.

What's False
Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.


You sir... are a liar.

 

[Andylusion]

I am a liberal, and even I'm appalled at the level of government helicopter money that is being dropped onto people, especially those on unemployment -- they absolutely do not need the extra $600 per week, especially since most of that money is just going to end up in savings accounts or paying off high-interest debt.

For the people who can't pay rent due to being out of work over the coronavirus thing, what are they supposed to do. Keep owing more and more back rent until they can never pay it back? And what are they supposed to live on in the meantime. And it's unlikely that those getting the money are so well off that they will just put the money into a savings account. As for any high interest loans they took out, that is just going to have to be their problem. Right now, only two things matter. Food and shelter.

Well, we just covered that. We should end the lock down, and get people back to work.

We don't have endless piles of cash all over government, to just pay people to not work.

 

[Andylusion]

I am a liberal, and even I'm appalled at the level of government helicopter money that is being dropped onto people, especially those on unemployment -- they absolutely do not need the extra $600 per week, especially since most of that money is just going to end up in savings accounts or paying off high-interest debt.

Worse than that is employers are having a hard time getting people back to work. They are making more on unemployment.

In my state, if you earned a livable wage, they give you around 400 bucks a week. Add the feds contribution, that's 1000 a week. When you consider you are not paying a lot of taxes on that money like Medicare, FICA, SS, you are probably doing just as well as a working person doing 60K to 65K a year depending on what state you live in.

Looking for Something? - Employers Council

We recently launched a new website and some content. has been removed but we still have what you are looking for

blog.employerscouncil.org

Employees Furious When Owner Keeps Paying Them - They Would Have Made More on Unemployment

A small-business owner says an increase in unemployment benefits is causing her to compete with unemployment, which pays some people more than their jobs.

www.westernjournal.com

The siren song of the out of touch aristocrats. "They're just lazy!" Any sane person would rather be working than not working.

Right, and we're saying we need to end the insanity, and get back to work.

 

[Andylusion]

I am a liberal, and even I'm appalled at the level of government helicopter money that is being dropped onto people, especially those on unemployment -- they absolutely do not need the extra $600 per week, especially since most of that money is just going to end up in savings accounts or paying off high-interest debt.

Worse than that is employers are having a hard time getting people back to work. They are making more on unemployment.

In my state, if you earned a livable wage, they give you around 400 bucks a week. Add the feds contribution, that's 1000 a week. When you consider you are not paying a lot of taxes on that money like Medicare, FICA, SS, you are probably doing just as well as a working person doing 60K to 65K a year depending on what state you live in.

Looking for Something? - Employers Council

We recently launched a new website and some content. has been removed but we still have what you are looking for

blog.employerscouncil.org

Employees Furious When Owner Keeps Paying Them - They Would Have Made More on Unemployment

A small-business owner says an increase in unemployment benefits is causing her to compete with unemployment, which pays some people more than their jobs.

www.westernjournal.com

Totally agree with you. It's not going to incentivize most people to look for work -- just the opposite. So there you have it -- Congress and the President are supporting full-on socialism. I thought that was Bernie's bag, but apparently not!!!

What you republican douchbags want, as always, is to incentivize people to be slaves.

Ironically that's what you are advocating. You want to make people slaves of the government.

 

[Andylusion]

If I had to guess, I would say that our government will probably go for the latter. Which is also helped along by president Chump giving encouragement to the protesters why want to re-open the economy. And there are a lot of people suffering economic hardship. But seeing how there isn't likely to be a second round of stimulus checks, many have no choice but to go back to work. Even if it means risking their lives and spreading the coronavirus even more.

Over 80,000 people have died so far. What is the amount of genocide our country is willing to endure at the altar of capitalism as we know it. For those in power, more than likely any level of slaughter is acceptable to preserve capitalism as it was before the coronavirus.

When you have capitalism, you have jobs. An economic plunge could close down a lot of business which means a lot of jobs lost if and when we are totally safe from the virus. And what happens if there is no way TO wipe out this virus.....what do we do then?

Most all people need a job to support themselves and their families. The government can't support us forever. So it's more than just saving business, saving jobs, it's also saving the country so we don't end up like Greece or Venezuela. And don't think for a minute that can't happen in our country.

Though I wish it was otherwise, what I speak of wouldn't be a forever thing. Just until the plague is crushed. Also, as I said before, bees, ants and termites have societies. And they have no need of money at all. Neither is employment an issue. Surely to some small degree we humans can do a little bit of what some basically brainless bugs can do.

Really? Are you going to grow your own food from now on? Are you going to create heat in your home? Are you going to never go anywhere unless you walk or ride a bike? Are you going to stop taking any and all medications you're on? Are you willing to lose your house or apartment and build a shack in the middle of the woods somewhere?

We are not insects, we are human beings. We are people that survive only because of a modern society, which of course requires money to participate.

What has most people bitching is being able to do business. Farming and food production is just a small part of it. Though it is the most important part. Also, as long as gas and electricity are being produced, heating a house is no problem. Next, as human beings, we should be able to better than bug civilizations. And they don't use money.

Modern society uses money to survive. You can't live without it. Hell, out in the sticks, we have several Amish communities. Many of them have jobs because money is not optional--it's a necessity. Given the fact there is only one way for most to get money, that's what we need to do. Our government is traveling dangerous territory right now. The quicker we get to the point we can no longer spend (and yes, that day is coming) the quicker our country will collapse.

Economically, our country has already collapsed. That is as far as the value of money goes. Because we can never pay back the amount that we owe. Even before the coronavirus, our national debt kept growing and growing. Ever economist I have ever heard speaking about it said that it was unsustainable. Sooner or later, the crash would come. Well let it happen now. Flush the dollar down the toilet, erase our debt and create a new currency. Just like the holy Hitler did with MEFO currency. And give every poor working age adult in the US a $12,000 new dollar stimulus check to see them through the coronavirus quarantine period. Or maybe they should make it a $24,000 check.

Because we can never pay back the amount that we owe.

Who said we had to or should?

Flush the dollar down the toilet, erase our debt and create a new currency.

Pay your bills, deadbeat.

And give every poor working age adult in the US a $12,000 new dollar stimulus check to see them through the coronavirus quarantine period.

Nah.

At one time in France they had a lot of "deadbeats." The French built guillotines to deal with those who treated them as deadbeats. If capitalism can't create the jobs needed for people to sustain themselves, then government should step in and do so. The Chinese did it with building the Great Wall. The Egyptians did it with building the pyramids. Along with many other great public works that various civilizations had created throughout history.

Yeah, and that resulted in devastation for France. You need to remember historically what the result of that ideology was. Thousands on thousands of French were slaughtered in mass executions, which ended up not killing just aristocrats, but everyone. That's why they called it the reign of terror.

And with the destruction of the stable government, institution of mass conscription, civil war, and then the dictatorship of Napoleon, which forced thousands more citizens into fighting wars, and large scale deaths.

And the long term effects of the Revolution, resulted in nearly the entire 1800s in France being nothing but power struggles and assassinations, and political exiles.

It is very clear that utter destruction of France in World War 1, and the subjugation of France in World War 2, can all be traced back to the French revolution.

You pointing to the French revolution as a model to follow, proves you are utterly incompetent on this subject.

 

[Meathead]

You have socialist food banks. What more do you want ?

Shove your scraps up your ass. You stand in line. If I had my way about it, if people are hungry, give them food stamps.

Have you always been a coward?

 

[Andylusion]

If I had to guess, I would say that our government will probably go for the latter. Which is also helped along by president Chump giving encouragement to the protesters why want to re-open the economy. And there are a lot of people suffering economic hardship. But seeing how there isn't likely to be a second round of stimulus checks, many have no choice but to go back to work. Even if it means risking their lives and spreading the coronavirus even more.

Over 80,000 people have died so far. What is the amount of genocide our country is willing to endure at the altar of capitalism as we know it. For those in power, more than likely any level of slaughter is acceptable to preserve capitalism as it was before the coronavirus.

Have y'all gotten "your" checks? I'm surprised that my wife and I haven't. She told me she filed our taxes last year, and I believed her. (-: Our daughter was not a dependent last year, and she has not received one either.

I have direct deposit with the IRS, so mine was in my account April 30th. They say those who are getting paper checks, they might all not be sent out until September of this year.

We are getting paper checks and one can go onto the site and see the progress of their check. Site said ours is now in the mail.

Get my payment | Internal Revenue Service

The Get My Payment application is no longer available. You can still claim a missing payment and view your payment history.

www.irs.gov

That was stimulus checks 1. How many months were they supposed to last. From the people I see on the news who can't pay rent or waiting in long lines for food, I think it's time for a second round of stimulus checks. And why not. It's only money. Our national debt is already so large that it is basically an insanely large number on a tally sheet. What difference is 3 or 40 trillion more going to make.

That's point. You don't know. Another few Trillion could be the straw that breaks the camels back.

You don't know. Greece bond interest rates were actually going DOWN, right before the crash. Investors were felt completely safe putting their money into Greek bonds, up till the end of 2009.

Then from the end of 2009, to mid 2010, the interest rate doubled, and by 2011, doubled again, and continued to increase.

Point being, you don't know where the breaking point is. None of us does.

This is why it is important to not reach the breaking point. The day before we have a crisis, you idiots will be on here "What difference does another trillion make?".

How do I know that? Because that's exactly what the left-wing fools in Greece where saying at the end of 2009. What difference does another $100 Billion deficit make? We need to just keep borrowing.

Yeah, and it didn't make any difference until suddenly it made a really huge difference, and the entire country had a crash, and hospitals closed, and pensioners had no pension at all, and people were burning wood, causing smog across Athens, because they couldn't afford natural gas heat.

 

[WEATHER53]

Its time to get back to work. The virus is waning if we can keep it going down.
The summer heat is almost here. Lets hope the virus keeps slowing, and slowing, and slowing....
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Are you an epidemiologist?

No but I play one on forums. Why do you ask?

Because you're offering up advise actual epidemiologists warn against. You are abetting the death of expertise.

This pandemic is not just a medical emergency, its also an economic emergency.
How many US jobs can be lost, and businesses go bankrupt before we enter a new "Great Depression"?
Ever hear of a term called the "Law of Diminishing Returns"? Its when the cure is worse than the disease.

Diminishing returns - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The government needs to balance the economic effects with the disease effects. Both patients need to be saved.

This has been my position as well.

At this point, are we not doing more harm than good? People are losing their entire lives, because we have shut down our economy, and that doesn't include the real future damage of government spending.

I don't see this as being a good trade off.

There will be a lot more people starving and living under bridges in CA since stupid Newsome is keeping the state closed thru August?!
Some governors just don't get it, then again, the people get the government they vote for, serves them right to suffer. Keep voting democrats in.

Republican and democrat are just two different sides of the same coin. Also, don't want to live under a bridge? Don't move out. Many states (if not all) have made it illegal to evict people due to the coronavirus mess. So that argument fails.

Ugh....

If you get foreclosed on, you may not be evicted immediately... but you will be evicted.

You might not be homeless tomorrow... but you will end up homeless at some point if you don't pay the mortgage.

And if by some insanity, they make it so you can never be evicted, whether you pay your mortgage or not, that will cause such a massive devastation across this country, that we will have happy dreams of the Sub-prime recession days of Obama.

That's right. Crack that ******* whip! Asshole. Kill the landlords. That is the solution. **** them and their wealth. People shouldn't be made homeless because of something beyond their control. And I don't give a shit about what it does to anybody's 401K or the stock market. National Socialism can fix all the troubles.

Yeah, the Soviets tried that, and the result was millions dead as the entire economy imploded.

You really are that stupid?

Think about it. Do you have money to upkeep a large condo building? No? And just killed the guy who did?

Now what?

Abandoned buildings, and people are homeless.

Good job idiot. You just sent millions to be homeless. Brilliant move moron.

You have no clue about history. Real history. The worst part is that you likely don't want to know.

You mean the part of history where we didn't all die from the flu?

That's my favorite part.

Leave it to the self centered, heartless Trumpians to marginalized and dismiss 94,000 dead Americans.

We simply provide the stats and facts and you slather on the emotion

As if emotion itself can be dismissed. Remember 9/11?

Yes that fact event happened for all to see, comprehend and react to. Far different than this hoax.