State Dept. told to plan for potential protests after Jerusalem embassy announcement

[ForeverYoung436]

Ramallah...? Want to tell me what Israeli troops are doing there? Israeli occupation needs to end!

Israeli troops are not deployed in Ramallah.

Funny that, this very morning, I watched Israeli forces in Ramallah firing tear gas on the streets. Didn't seen any "tremendous disturbances" taking place!

Well, if you call throwing rocks, and burning tires and flags, disturbances. Yet, if troops weren't there, who would the Arab youths be throwing rocks at? It could be that in anticipation of disturbances (due to Trump's announcement), Israeli troops entered the area.

 

[Humanity]

Ramallah...? Want to tell me what Israeli troops are doing there? Israeli occupation needs to end!

Israeli troops are not deployed in Ramallah.

Funny that, this very morning, I watched Israeli forces in Ramallah firing tear gas on the streets. Didn't seen any "tremendous disturbances" taking place!

Well, if you call throwing rocks, and burning tires and flags, disturbances. Yet, if troops weren't there, who would the Arab youths be throwing rocks at? It could be that in anticipation of disturbances (due to Trump's announcement), Israeli troops entered the area.

Ah you mean like a preemptive strike kind of thing? Or perhaps occupying territory 'just in case'? Israel is expert on that kind of illegal action.

I'm surprised Germany didn't enter the UK last year, just in case the UK voted Leave in Brexit.

 

[admonit]

Ramallah...? Want to tell me what Israeli troops are doing there? Israeli occupation needs to end!

Israeli troops are not deployed in Ramallah.

Funny that, this very morning, I watched Israeli forces in Ramallah firing tear gas on the streets. Didn't seen any "tremendous disturbances" taking place!

I cannot discuss what you have watched. As far as I know the clashes were near Beit El checkpoint, adjacent to Ramallah.

 

[Shusha]

Ramallah...? Want to tell me what Israeli troops are doing there? Israeli occupation needs to end!

Israeli troops are not deployed in Ramallah.

Funny that, this very morning, I watched Israeli forces in Ramallah firing tear gas on the streets. Didn't seen any "tremendous disturbances" taking place!

I cannot discuss what you have watched. As far as I know the clashes were near Beit El checkpoint, adjacent to Ramallah.

Which makes much more sense. No point in worrying about a riot in Ramallah. Let them riot and destroy their own stuff. Just need to keep violent rioters away from Israeli citizens who would be in danger.

 

[Lipush]

Code red. Second time now.

 

[Shusha]

So, Israel has an absolute right to exist as any other nation exists.

"Any other nation" doesn't ask permission about the location of its capital.

I am not sure that the French would be too happy about Germany declaring that half of Paris is now the capital of Germany. You would think that the Germans would have to "ask permission"!

This is a fallacious argument. France and Germany are two separate sovereign States with an international border between them. Israel and Arab Palestine are in the midst of an internal civil war under which the territory, including Jerusalem, remains disputed and unresolved.

 

[Lipush]

There is an incident in my visinity right now. I'm following.

 

[abi]

Jerusalem, remains disputed and unresolved.

Only in the mind of the zionists. International law is clear and the rest of humanity knows this.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Jerusalem, remains disputed and unresolved.

Only in the mind of the zionists. International law is clear and the rest of humanity knows this.

Humanity knows the Palestinians can suck it.
If they want a capital of their own, they can have Mecca.

 

[Shusha]

There is an incident in my visinity right now. I'm following.

Stay safe, please.

 

[Humanity]

So, Israel has an absolute right to exist as any other nation exists.

"Any other nation" doesn't ask permission about the location of its capital.

I am not sure that the French would be too happy about Germany declaring that half of Paris is now the capital of Germany. You would think that the Germans would have to "ask permission"!

This is a fallacious argument. France and Germany are two separate sovereign States with an international border between them. Israel and Arab Palestine are in the midst of an internal civil war under which the territory, including Jerusalem, remains disputed and unresolved.

Only fallacious in the current situation.

If, and of course, it's a big IF, there were an agreed peace treaty then there would be sovereign state and international borders.

The decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel does not help the peace process. Does not help in any negotiation.

 

[Hollie]

So, Israel has an absolute right to exist as any other nation exists.

"Any other nation" doesn't ask permission about the location of its capital.

I am not sure that the French would be too happy about Germany declaring that half of Paris is now the capital of Germany. You would think that the Germans would have to "ask permission"!

This is a fallacious argument. France and Germany are two separate sovereign States with an international border between them. Israel and Arab Palestine are in the midst of an internal civil war under which the territory, including Jerusalem, remains disputed and unresolved.

Only fallacious in the current situation.

If, and of course, it's a big IF, there were an agreed peace treaty then there would be sovereign state and international borders.

The decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel does not help the peace process. Does not help in any negotiation.

I think the flaw with that argument falls on the claim to some alleged “peace process”. There hasn’t been any meaningful peace process in decades. Both Hamas and Fatah have been comfortably maintaining their respective mini-caliphates via the UN funded welfare fraud. Neither Abbas nor Mashal are going let anyone challenge their dictatorships, as long as the welfare fraud money is delivered to them by the truckload. If you look at the news coming out of the West Bank, Abbas is actually ramping up the propaganda and incitement generated by his Islamic terrorist syndicate. I can’t fault Trump for making a bold move. When someone suggests that Arabs-Moslems are committed to peace, I have to take that in the context of incitement by Abbas praising attacks by Arabs-moslems against Israelis using guns, knives and vehicles.

The Islamic Peaceful Inner Struggle rolls on.

 

[Humanity]

So, Israel has an absolute right to exist as any other nation exists.

"Any other nation" doesn't ask permission about the location of its capital.

I am not sure that the French would be too happy about Germany declaring that half of Paris is now the capital of Germany. You would think that the Germans would have to "ask permission"!

This is a fallacious argument. France and Germany are two separate sovereign States with an international border between them. Israel and Arab Palestine are in the midst of an internal civil war under which the territory, including Jerusalem, remains disputed and unresolved.

Only fallacious in the current situation.

If, and of course, it's a big IF, there were an agreed peace treaty then there would be sovereign state and international borders.

The decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel does not help the peace process. Does not help in any negotiation.

I think the flaw with that argument falls on the claim to some alleged “peace process”. There hasn’t been any meaningful peace process in decades. Both Hamas and Fatah have been comfortably maintaining their respective mini-caliphates via the UN funded welfare fraud. Neither Abbas nor Mashal are going let anyone challenge their dictatorships, as long as the welfare fraud money is delivered to them by the truckload. If you look at the news coming out of the West Bank, Abbas is actually ramping up the propaganda and incitement generated by his Islamic terrorist syndicate. I can’t fault Trump for making a bold move. When someone suggests that Arabs-Moslems are committed to peace, I have to take that in the context of incitement by Abbas praising attacks by Arabs-moslems against Israelis using guns, knives and vehicles.

The Islamic Peaceful Inner Struggle rolls on.

The ONLY person to level the accusation of "incitement" at is Trump for making the decision he made.

 

[Oldstyle]

What I want is for people to stop trying to destroy Israel.

Well, Israel might have tried to establish itself by peaceful means, instead of by infuriating the 2+ billion strong Muslim world.

Israel did exactly that...and then as soon as the nation of Israel was established...it's Arab neighbors immediately tried to wipe it off of the face of the earth. What's "infuriated" Muslim's ever since is their failure to destroy Israel despite countless attempts to do so!

 

[Hollie]

"Any other nation" doesn't ask permission about the location of its capital.

I am not sure that the French would be too happy about Germany declaring that half of Paris is now the capital of Germany. You would think that the Germans would have to "ask permission"!

This is a fallacious argument. France and Germany are two separate sovereign States with an international border between them. Israel and Arab Palestine are in the midst of an internal civil war under which the territory, including Jerusalem, remains disputed and unresolved.

Only fallacious in the current situation.

If, and of course, it's a big IF, there were an agreed peace treaty then there would be sovereign state and international borders.

The decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel does not help the peace process. Does not help in any negotiation.

I think the flaw with that argument falls on the claim to some alleged “peace process”. There hasn’t been any meaningful peace process in decades. Both Hamas and Fatah have been comfortably maintaining their respective mini-caliphates via the UN funded welfare fraud. Neither Abbas nor Mashal are going let anyone challenge their dictatorships, as long as the welfare fraud money is delivered to them by the truckload. If you look at the news coming out of the West Bank, Abbas is actually ramping up the propaganda and incitement generated by his Islamic terrorist syndicate. I can’t fault Trump for making a bold move. When someone suggests that Arabs-Moslems are committed to peace, I have to take that in the context of incitement by Abbas praising attacks by Arabs-moslems against Israelis using guns, knives and vehicles.

The Islamic Peaceful Inner Struggle rolls on.

The ONLY person to level the accusation of "incitement" at is Trump for making the decision he made.

You need to keep up with the news.

Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh calls for 'new intifada' against Israel

What do you think intifada means?



Trump's Jerusalem decision: The Palestinian leadership is encouraging violence

What do you think violence means?

 

[abi]

What do you think intifada means?

Intifada (انتفاضة intifāḍah) is an Arabic word literally meaning, as a noun, "tremor", "shivering", "shuddering".[1][2] It is derived from an Arabic term nafada meaning "to shake", "shake off", "get rid of",[1] as a dog might shrug off water, or as one might shake off sleep,[3] or dirt from one's sandals,[4] and is a key concept in contemporary Arabic usage referring to a legitimate uprising against oppression.[5]...

In the Palestinian context, with which it is particularly associated, the word refers to attempts to "shake off" the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the First and Second Intifadas,[5][6] where it was originally chosen to connote "aggressive nonviolent resistance",[1]...
Intifada - Wikipedia

 

[Hollie]

What do you think intifada means?

Intifada (انتفاضة intifāḍah) is an Arabic word literally meaning, as a noun, "tremor", "shivering", "shuddering".[1][2] It is derived from an Arabic term nafada meaning "to shake", "shake off", "get rid of",[1] as a dog might shrug off water, or as one might shake off sleep,[3] or dirt from one's sandals,[4] and is a key concept in contemporary Arabic usage referring to a legitimate uprising against oppression.[5]...

In the Palestinian context, with which it is particularly associated, the word refers to attempts to "shake off" the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the First and Second Intifadas,[5][6] where it was originally chosen to connote "aggressive nonviolent resistance",[1]...
Intifada - Wikipedia

I think that a large part of the Abbas / Haniyeh brainchild is to ensure that their Cult-addled holy warrior monsters become “martyrs." I think you will find that the less they are linked to rational, thinking humans, the more sensible and justifiable it will be for the West to consider the demands of Death Cultists as deserving of any accommodation.

 

[Shusha]

Only fallacious in the current situation.

If, and of course, it's a big IF, there were an agreed peace treaty then there would be sovereign state and international borders.

The decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel does not help the peace process. Does not help in any negotiation.

Yes, it is a fallacious argument BECAUSE the current situation is not as you have described with two sovereign States and a border between them.

The decision to recognize Jerusalem DOES indeed help with the peace process and with negotiations. (Not that there was ever a peace process to begin with else Arab Palestine long ago would have existed). It helps because it recognizes REALITY. It dispenses with any illusions that Jerusalem (or a part of it) will not be under Israeli sovereignty. Of course, it will. Its silly to think otherwise. It already HAS been for decades. Finally, it illuminates the Arab Palestinian (as well as the wider Arab and Muslim) response. Which has not been to encourage peace and to build its own infrastructure and economy, but to encourage "days of rage".

What IS it that the Arab Palestinians are trying to WIN, here? Do they honestly think they will regain all of Jerusalem in a negotiation? Do you think they will "liberate" all of Arab Palestine (aka Israel)? What do you think we are negotiating here?

The best case scenario in negotiation for the Arab Palestinians is a contiguous (excluding Gaza) territory with maybe a small portion of Jerusalem and the continuation of some control over the Temple Mount/Al Haram al Sharif complex. If they are really pushy they might still get their wish for a Jew-free State (as abhorrent as that is). AND if they are exceptionally peaceful and start controlling their own violent people (beginning with themselves, the instigators) they might even get a border with Jordan, in time and with Israel secured.

That is the best case scenario that has EVER been conceived of -- that is the two State solution. There is no better deal for them. And they need to stop imagining that there is. Starting with Jerusalem.

The potential for losses and to end up in a much worse position is large and real. The sooner the Arab Palestinians start working toward peace, the better for them. They can't win more than they've already been offered, time and again. And they have much to lose.

 

[abi]

It helps because it recognizes REALITY. It dispenses with any illusions that Jerusalem (or a part of it) will not be under Israeli sovereignty. Of course, it will. Its silly to think otherwise.

That's both silly and offensive.

It already HAS been for decades.

And stealing land in war is war crime with no statute of limitations.

 

[Shusha]

What I want is for people to stop trying to destroy Israel.

Well, Israel might have tried to establish itself by peaceful means, instead of by infuriating the 2+ billion strong Muslim world.

Israel did exactly that...and then as soon as the nation of Israel was established...it's Arab neighbors immediately tried to wipe it off of the face of the earth. What's "infuriated" Muslim's ever since is their failure to destroy Israel despite countless attempts to do so!

Israel DID, in fact, establish itself with peaceful means. Israel is still, in fact, existing with peaceful means. This recognition of Jerusalem by the US is, in point of fact, a peaceful means.

The problem is that even peaceful declarations like this infuriates the entire Muslim world. The mere presence of Jewish people not acting like proper dhimmis infuriates the entire Muslim world.