State Dept. told to plan for potential protests after Jerusalem embassy announcement

[ForeverYoung436]

I wonder how many of the brave(?) 'Team Israel' will be spitting their dummies out when Israel comes under attack because of a decision made in the US that, according to Trump, "course of action to be in the best interests of the United States of America".

What does the expression "spitting their their dummies out" mean? Is it a Brit expression?

 

[Shusha]

I wonder how many of the brave(?) 'Team Israel' will be spitting their dummies out when Israel comes under attack because of a decision made in the US that, according to Trump, "course of action to be in the best interests of the United States of America".

What does the expression "spitting their their dummies out" mean? Is it a Brit expression?

He's calling us babies. A dummie is a slang term for an infants pacificer.

 

[Hollie]

I wonder how many of the brave(?) 'Team Israel' will be spitting their dummies out when Israel comes under attack because of a decision made in the US that, according to Trump, "course of action to be in the best interests of the United States of America".

Islamic terrorists have found a multitude of reasons to attack Israel, the Great Satan© and the West. The announcement regarding Jerusalem is just one more reason to be added to the list.

You "Team Dhimmi" types, for some strange reason, believe that behaving like compliant Dhimmis will somehow keep you safe from islamic terrorists.

 

[Shusha]

I wonder how many of the brave(?) 'Team Israel' will be spitting their dummies out when Israel comes under attack because of a decision made in the US that, according to Trump, "course of action to be in the best interests of the United States of America".

Yet another person who believes that any recognition of Israel will send the Arab Muslims into a violent murderous temper tantrum and that they should be appeased in order to avoid this.

Two comments:

The appeasement of violent offenders will not achieve peace. It will only bring more bloodshed as it rewards the offenders for being violent. This can only justify and perpetuate their behaviour. If the Arab Muslims are determined to make war and not peace (which, by your statement, you agree is the case) why not now?

The Arab Muslim world is splitting. Many Arab nations are no more willing to appease or submit to the violent murderous temper tantrumers than Israel is. And there is not as much support for the Palestinians as you might think. As long as Israel guarantees access to Al-Aqsa, there is no reason to attack her in the wider Arab Muslim context. Jordan, Egypt, Saudia Arabia at the least understand that their interests lie with supporting Israel and the US and not the Arab temper tantrumers.

I think what is likely to happen here is that Abbas will throw a fit for a while. Some nations like Turkey will fit along with him. And then it will all blow over.

 

[abi]

Yet another person who believes that any recognition of Israel

Apples and space ships again. Nobody believes that, it is just in your fantasy that you create to argue with.

Stealing land is a war crime, that we know. Jerusalem has never even been part of Israel. International law and the international community are well aware of this. This isn't a case of "any recognition" and it is grotesque that you suggest that it is.

 

[Shusha]

Stealing land is a war crime, that we know. Jerusalem has never even been part of Israel. International law and the international community are well aware of this. This isn't a case of "any recognition" and it is grotesque that you suggest that it is.

In order for you to make this claim that Jerusalem has never been part of Israel, you can only believe one of two things:

1. No territory has ever been part of Israel or 2. There is some sort of legal international border between Israel and "Palestine".

Which is it? (You are wrong either way, but until I know the basis of your misunderstanding, I can't address it.)

 

[abi]

In order for you to make this claim that Jerusalem has never been part of Israel, you can only believe one of two things:

1. No territory has ever been part of Israel or 2. There is some sort of legal international border between Israel and "Palestine".

Which is it? (You are wrong either way, but until I know the basis of your misunderstanding, I can't address it.)

With all due respect, I'll go with 3. The mandate was never implemented and even if it had been, international law was and always has been clear.

Corpus separatum (Latin for "separated body")

 

[Shusha]

In order for you to make this claim that Jerusalem has never been part of Israel, you can only believe one of two things:

1. No territory has ever been part of Israel or 2. There is some sort of legal international border between Israel and "Palestine".

Which is it? (You are wrong either way, but until I know the basis of your misunderstanding, I can't address it.)

With all due respect, I'll go with 3. The mandate was never implemented and even if it had been, international law was and always has been clear.

Corpus separatum (Latin for "separated body")

You don't even make sense. Of course the Mandates were implemented. What international law created Jerusalem as a corpus separatum? You can't possibly mean 181. That was a UNGA resolution -- not binding.

 

[Humanity]

I wonder how many of the brave(?) 'Team Israel' will be spitting their dummies out when Israel comes under attack because of a decision made in the US that, according to Trump, "course of action to be in the best interests of the United States of America".

Yet another person who believes that any recognition of Israel will send the Arab Muslims into a violent murderous temper tantrum and that they should be appeased in order to avoid this.

Two comments:

The appeasement of violent offenders will not achieve peace. It will only bring more bloodshed as it rewards the offenders for being violent. This can only justify and perpetuate their behaviour. If the Arab Muslims are determined to make war and not peace (which, by your statement, you agree is the case) why not now?

The Arab Muslim world is splitting. Many Arab nations are no more willing to appease or submit to the violent murderous temper tantrumers than Israel is. And there is not as much support for the Palestinians as you might think. As long as Israel guarantees access to Al-Aqsa, there is no reason to attack her in the wider Arab Muslim context. Jordan, Egypt, Saudia Arabia at the least understand that their interests lie with supporting Israel and the US and not the Arab temper tantrumers.

I think what is likely to happen here is that Abbas will throw a fit for a while. Some nations like Turkey will fit along with him. And then it will all blow over.

I believe you know my views in relation to Israel and it's absolute right to exist...

What I find incredibly naive is 'Team Israel' believing that this 'recognition' from Trump is in any way helpful or an opportunity for peace...

'Team Israel' is happy to accept violence for a decision made by a man(?) that is not supported by any other civilized country on the planet, with most calling the decision 'foolish'...

For me personally, this 'recognition' is a step too far... You think that the Muslim world is going to just kick back, open a beer and wait for it to "all blow over"?

I hope that this decision by the fool they call 'Mr President' does not result in the deaths of Jews, Muslims, Americans or anyone else for that matter...

The decision made is wrong morally and legally... In the same way that Israel occupies territory that does not legally belong to it.

Shusha, your naivety is shocking... "Some nations like Turkey will fit along with him. And then it will all blow over."

Seriously?

That feels like wishful thinking!

 

[Humanity]

In order for you to make this claim that Jerusalem has never been part of Israel, you can only believe one of two things:

1. No territory has ever been part of Israel or 2. There is some sort of legal international border between Israel and "Palestine".

Which is it? (You are wrong either way, but until I know the basis of your misunderstanding, I can't address it.)

With all due respect, I'll go with 3. The mandate was never implemented and even if it had been, international law was and always has been clear.

Corpus separatum (Latin for "separated body")

You don't even make sense. Of course the Mandates were implemented. What international law created Jerusalem as a corpus separatum? You can't possibly mean 181. That was a UNGA resolution -- not binding.

Yeah, shame it wasn't binding....

The Arabs accepted it... Israel didn't but then Israel NEVER does!

Corpus seperatum is the ONLY solution for Jerusalem!

 

[Shusha]

I believe you know my views in relation to Israel and it's absolute right to exist...

What I find incredibly naive is 'Team Israel' believing that this 'recognition' from Trump is in any way helpful or an opportunity for peace...

'Team Israel' is happy to accept violence for a decision made by a man(?) that is not supported by any other civilized country on the planet, with most calling the decision 'foolish'...

For me personally, this 'recognition' is a step too far... You think that the Muslim world is going to just kick back, open a beer and wait for it to "all blow over"?

I hope that this decision by the fool they call 'Mr President' does not result in the deaths of Jews, Muslims, Americans or anyone else for that matter...

The decision made is wrong morally and legally... In the same way that Israel occupies territory that does not legally belong to it.

Shusha, your naivety is shocking... "Some nations like Turkey will fit along with him. And then it will all blow over."

Seriously?

That feels like wishful thinking!

It is helpful because it recognizes reality. Israel is not going to withdraw from Jerusalem. In any end-of-conflict scenario, Israel will have possession of at least part of Jerusalem, and lets be honest with ourselves here, they will end up with all of it. There isn't the Arab will to go after Jerusalem as long as Al-Aqsa remains accessible (which it will, of course).

Abbas has been too comfortable for the past decade (at least!) in not having to negotiate and instead playing silly games at the UN. There are only two ways to end the conflict. 1. Negotiations. 2. An imposed solution. If Abbas won't play #1, he is stuck with #2. That is exactly the message Trump is sending.

The recognition of reality is in no way an affront to the Arabs or to the Arab Palestinians. Israel has every moral and legal right to Jerusalem. If the Palestinians want a slice of it -- they have to sit down and do the work.

 

[abi]

You seem to have a well thought-out approach to this insanity. It's refreshing.

Can you provide me with the basics of what you mean here:

I believe you know my views in relation to Israel and it's absolute right to exist...

Thanks, and I'm not trying to offend anyone, I am seriously interested in what this means, exactly.

 

[abi]

Israel has every moral and legal right to Jerusalem.

No, stealing land in war is a war crime. International law is very clear on this one.

 

[Shusha]

Yeah, shame it wasn't binding....

The Arabs accepted it... Israel didn't but then Israel NEVER does!

Corpus seperatum is the ONLY solution for Jerusalem!

The Arabs accepted 181?

And, no. Corpus seperatum is not the only solution and will never be implemented. Jerusalem belongs to the Jewish people as part of their indigenous, historical claim to the territory. As long as all religious faiths have access to the holy places there (and they will ONLY under Israeli sovereignty) there is no reason for Jerusalem to be an exception to local sovereignty. Its really, actually a ridiculous idea. Considered for no other place or city in the world.

 

[Shusha]

Israel has every moral and legal right to Jerusalem.

No, stealing land in war is a war crime. International law is very clear on this one.

You have yet to provide a legal case that Jerusalem is not under Israeli sovereignty. Whose sovereignty is she under?

 

[abi]

Its really, actually a ridiculous idea. Considered for no other place or city in the world.

No other nation has named their capital on other's land.

Now go study!

 

[Shusha]

Now go study!

Says the person who doesn't know the difference between a mandate and a resolution. Sigh.

 

[Humanity]

Israel has every moral and legal right to Jerusalem.

Only in the eyes of Israel and now America...

The rest of the world, barring one or two ass-lickers, does NOT feel that Israel has any moral and certainly not legal right to Jerusalem.

And there in lies the problem... However you,'Team Israel' or Trump try to justify this it will NEVER be 100% Israeli.

All Trump has done is create a 'situation' that will lead to what HE wants... A war!

He cannot get a war with North Korea, too dangerous for America, he cannot get a war in the ME with Syria, Iraq et al because, hey, been there done that... So, let's get an 'easy' war going that HE can join in without too much danger to America or it's troops.

Israel does not and never will have a "moral" right to hold occupied territory that, and you know it, is against every international law in existence.

Stop supporting 'Team Israel' and be honest to yourself and with others!

 

[abi]

Another reasonable post, but:

So, let's get an 'easy' war going that HE can join in without too much danger to America or it's troops.

You think this will be easy. I wonder how many Americans will die and how much this will cost us before it is over (which is likely never since perpetual war is the in thing with zionists).

I can see this becoming much larger than any of us can imagine if saner heads don't prevail. A majority of the members called for an emergency meeting at the UN. May be as soon as tomorrow. We'll see, fingers crossed.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Israel has every moral and legal right to Jerusalem.

Only in the eyes of Israel and now America...

The rest of the world, barring one or two ass-lickers, does NOT feel that Israel has any moral and certainly not legal right to Jerusalem.

And there in lies the problem... However you,'Team Israel' or Trump try to justify this it will NEVER be 100% Israeli.

All Trump has done is create a 'situation' that will lead to what HE wants... A war!

He cannot get a war with North Korea, too dangerous for America, he cannot get a war in the ME with Syria, Iraq et al because, hey, been there done that... So, let's get an 'easy' war going that HE can join in without too much danger to America or it's troops.

Israel does not and never will have a "moral" right to hold occupied territory that, and you know it, is against every international law in existence.

Stop supporting 'Team Israel' and be honest to yourself and with others!

When did the first Muslims make it to Jerusalem?