Which Jewish Temple should be constructed first? The Ezekiel 40 to 48 Temple Complex or the Gihon Spring Temple?

[DennisPTate]

I personally was introduced to this topic by Evangelist Garner Ted Armstrong back during the 1970's when I was a teenager.

Again and again over the years I happen to run into more and more interesting information on this topic. One example is that there was likely a REPLICA of the Ark of the Covenant made during the time of King Solomon.

[Grant Jeffrey, Armageddon Appointment with Destiny]:

"In a September 1935, article in the National Geographic magazine, L. Roberts recorded his interviews with various priests in different parts of Ethiopia who consistently told the same story. They recounted that the Queen of Sheba had visited King Solomon and had had "a child", Menelik I. Solomon educated the lad in Jerusalem until he was nineteen years old. The boy then returned to Ethiopia with a large group of Jews, taking with him the true Ark of the Covenant.
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The Ethiopian official national epic known as the Glory of the Kings (Kebra-Nagasi) contains an amazing story which offers an explanation of what happened to the Ark of the Covenant. In addition, there are several Ethiopian murals which tell how the Ark and the Tablets of the Law were taken to Ethiopia for safekeeping by Prince Menelik I. ..... The Queen of Sheba, his mother, had died and the prince prepared to leave Jerusalem to return twenty-five hundred miles to his native country to become its king.

Prince Menelik bore an uncanny resemblance in beauty and regal bearing to his father. King Solomon wanted to give him a replica of the Ark to take with him to Ethiopia because the long distance would prevent him from ever again worshipping at the temple in Jerusalem.

However Prince Menelik was concerned with the growing apostasy of Israel and the fact that his father, Solomon was now allowing idols to be placed in the Temple to please his pagan wives. King Solomon gave the prince a going-away banquet and after the priests were filled with wine, Menelik and his loyal associates switched arks and left the replica in its place in the Holy of Holies." (Grant Jeffrey, [page 115, Armageddon, Appointment with Destiny).

IF it is true that there are TWO Arks of the Covenant then this could potentially lead to TWO Jewish temples in Israel.

I am of the belief that it is logical to construct the Ezekiel chapter forty to forty eight temple complex first because it is almost certain that it will be several kilo-meters outside Jerusalem and thus will be much less controversial than a Gihon Spring replica of the Temple of King Solomon that was almost certainly NOT where the Al Aqsa Mosque or the Dome of the Rock are at now.


The information related to The Gihon Spring location for the Temple of King Solomon, was explained by an Israeli Archaeologist to Ernest L. Martin:

Ernest L. Martin (April 20, 1932 – January 2002) was a meteorologist, minister in the Worldwide Church of God and author on Biblical topics. He is best known for his unconventional works on the Star of Bethlehem and the location of the Temple in Jerusalem.
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In his 1999 book The Temples that Jerusalem Forgot, Martin argued that the Haram al-Sharif is not the location of the last Temple. This was significant given his relationship with Herbert W. Armstrong whose editorial in The Plain Truth magazine was cited by Denis Michael Rohan as a reason for setting fire to the Al Aqsa mosque during the 1960s.

The basis of this work began with Martin's first visit to Jerusalem in 1961 when he first met Benjamin Mazar and later his son Ory Mazar, who informed him of his belief that the Temples of Solomon and Zerubbabel were located on the Ophel mound to the north of the original Mount Zion on the southeast ridge. In a 1996 draft report to support this theory, Martin wrote, "I was then under the impression that Simon the Hasmonean (along with Herod a century later) moved the Temple from the Ophel mound to the Dome of the Rock area." However, after studying the words of Josephus concerning the Temple of Herod the Great, which was reported to be in the same general area of the former Temples, he then read the account of Eleazar who led the final contingent of Jewish resistance to the Romans at Masada which stated that the Roman fortress was the only structure left by 73 C.E.. "With this key in mind, I came to the conclusion in 1997 that all the Temples were indeed located on the Ophel mound over the area of the Gihon Spring."<a href="Ernest L. Martin - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> From these conclusions, Martin produced his book in which he asserted that the Temples of Jerusalem were located over the Gihon Spring and not over the Dome of the Rock. He wrote, "What has been amazing to me is the vast amount of Jewish, Muslim, and Christian records that remain available from the first to the sixteenth centuries that clearly vindicate the conclusions that I have reached in this book of research."

His other works are Restoring the Original Bible (1984), Secrets of Golgotha (1987), 101 Bible Secrets (1991), The Biblical Manual (1985) and The Essentials of New Testament Doctrine (1999).

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Ezekiel chapter forty seven sounds like a win, win, win, win, win, win scenario for ten million Israelis as well as for ninety nine percent of Jordanians, Palestinians, residents of Lebanon, Syria and Egypt but of course......
public officials who CLAIM TO BE MUSLIMS... but who are actually working for Atheists in Russia will not like the idea of
President Trump building either Jewish Temple for the Jewish people.....
....
but Ezekiel chapter forty seven is taken seriously by actual Muslims... who are not merely actors....
playing the role of Muslims... such as Mr. Yasser Arafat probably was?

• 1970 - Yasser Arafat, the father of modern terrorism:
  
  
  In 1970 the Kremlin became interested in an obscure Arab construction engineer and collector of racecars, named Rahman al-Qudwa. Evidence shows, contrary to later claims, that this "construction engineer" was an Egyptian, born in Cairo during the summer of 1929. Rahman graduated from the University of Cairo and served as an officer in the Egyptian Army during the 1956 Suez campaign. Later he set up a business in Kuwait and made a fortune. He then entered politics, founding a hopelessly small terrorist organization.... According to the former head of Romanian intelligence, Lt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa, one of the highest ranking communist defectors of all time, Rahman al-Qudwa became an important political ally of the communist bloc following the death of Egypt's president, Gamal Abdul Nasser, in 1970. Gen. Pacepa's account of Rahman's intimate relations with the communist bloc is related in a book entitled "Red Horizons."... Rahman al-Qudwa is better known as Yasser Arafat, the chairman of the PLO since 1968 and the president of the Palestinian Authority -- which is now at war with Israel. According to Gen. Pacepa's account, communist dictator Nicolae Ceausescu ordered his people to bring Arafat over to Romania. In late 1970 the chief of Romanian intelligence in Egypt, Gen. Constantine Munteanu, arrived in Bucharest with Arafat in tow. Munteanu had gathered an extensive file on Arafat, which characterized the PLO leader as "so much cleverness, blood, and filth all together in one man." Pacepa says that this was Munteanu's "standard definition of Arafat."
  Given Gen. Munteanu's extensive file, Arafat could not exactly refuse the communist's "friendly" overtures. There is little question that Arafat is fanatically devoted to destroying Israel, and would sell his soul to the devil to gain his devilish ends. Therefore, a compact between Arafat and the Soviet Union via communist Romania was not something that violated any sacred Islamic rule in Arafat's heart. Arafat is no Moslem. His fanaticism is completely secular. But since he operates within the Islamic world, he must sometimes appear as a would-be Muslim liberator. (“Kremlin puppets and how they work,” J.R. Nyquist, October 19, 2000) (read also Our Lady of the Roses prophecy about one who would come out of Egypt...)
• 1972 - According to Ion Mihai Pacepa, “In 1972, the Kremlin decided to turn the whole Islamic world against Israel and the U.S. As KGB chairman Yury Andropov … [said], a billion adversaries could inflict far greater damage on America than could a few millions. We needed to instill Nazi-style hatred for the Jews throughout the Islamic world, and to turn this weapon … against Israel and its main supporter, the United States.”
• 1973 - Soviet statements and preparations for an attack against Israel led the Pentagon to order U.S. nuclear forces to the highest state of peacetime readiness. The Joint Chiefs of Staff ordered the 82nd Airborne Division to prepare to head to the Middle East, and additional U.S. naval forces -- including American aircraft carriers -- moved into the Mediterranean, all out of a real and rising concern that the Soviets were about to make an unprecedented military move against Israel.
• 1982 - Israeli forces battling PLO terrorists in southern Lebanon unexpectedly uncovered a secret but massive cache of Soviet weaponry in deep underground cellars and tunnels. The storehouses contained some 4,000 tons of ammunition, 144 armored vehicles and tanks, 12,500 pieces of small arms, and 515 heavy weapons. Then-Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin said that the Russians had prepositioned enough weapons to "equip not five brigades, but five or six [Soviet] divisions," adding that "we shall need literally thousands of trucks to evacuate these weapons from Lebanon."

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Osama bin Laden's deputy issued a worldwide call today for Muslims to rise up in holy war against Israel and join the fighting in Lebanon and Gaza, until Islam reigns from "Spain to Iraq". Ayman al-Zawahiri warned that al-Qaida would not stand "idly by, humiliated", as Israeli "shells burn our...

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Actual Muslims who are not simply hypocrites who are working on making themselves into billionaires take Ezekiel chapter forty seven quite seriously.

[Ezekiel 47:
1Then he brought me back to the door of the temple; and there was water, flowing from under the threshold of the temple toward the east, for the front of the temple faced east; the water was flowing from under the right side of the temple, south of the altar. 2He brought me out by way of the north gate, and led me around on the outside to the outer gateway that faces east; and there was water, running out on the right side.
3And when the man went out to the east with the line in his hand, he measured one thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the water came up to my ankles. 4Again he measured one thousand and brought me through the waters; the water came up to my knees. Again he measured one thousand and brought me through; the water came up to my waist. 5Again he measured one thousand, and it was a river that I could not cross; for the water was too deep, water in which one must swim, a river that could not be crossed. 6He said to me, “Son of man, have you seen this?” Then he brought me and returned me to the bank of the river.
7When I returned, there, along the bank of the river, were very many trees on one side and the other. 8Then he said to me: “This water flows toward the eastern region, goes down into the valley, and enters the sea. When it reaches the sea, its waters are healed. 9And it shall be that every living thing that moves, wherever the rivers go, will live. There will be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters go there; for they will be healed, and everything will live wherever the river goes. 10It shall be that fishermen will stand by it from En Gedi to En Eglaim; they will be places for spreading their nets. Their fish will be of the same kinds as the fish of the Great Sea, exceedingly many. 11But its swamps and marshes will not be healed; they will be given over to salt. 12Along the bank of the river, on this side and that, will grow all kinds of trees used for food; their leaves will not wither, and their fruit will not fail. They will bear fruit every month, because their water flows from the sanctuary. Their fruit will be for food, and their leaves for medicine.”

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The Healing Waters and TreesThen he brought me back to the door of the temple; and there was #Ps. 46:4; Is. 30:25; 55:1; (Jer. 2:13); Joel 3:18; Zech. 13:1; 14:8; (Rev. 22:1, 17)water, flowing from un

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Here is an article that appeared back in 2016 that will help you to understand this entire topic better. I believe that this article could be used to assist President Putin to do teshuvah - repentance... and could play a role in stopping the war against Ukraine?

BIN EXCLUSIVE: Sanhedrin Asks Putin and Trump to Build Third Temple in Jerusalem

The Nascent Sanhedrin is calling on Russian President Vladmir Putin and US president-elect Donald Trump to join forces and fulfill their Biblically-mandated roles by rebuilding the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem.

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BIN EXCLUSIVE: Sanhedrin Asks Putin and Trump to Build Third Temple in Jerusalem​

ADAM ELIYAHU BERKOWITZ​

BIBLICAL NEWS​

NOVEMBER 10, 2016​

3 MIN READ​

The Nascent Sanhedrin is calling on Russian President Vladmir Putin and US president-elect Donald Trump to join forces and fulfill their Biblically-mandated roles by rebuilding the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem.

Rabbi Hillel Weiss, spokesman for the Sanhedrin, contacted Breaking Israel News to announce that the election of Trump, who has promised to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, coupled with Putin’s expressed desire for the Temple to be rebuilt, prompted the Jewish court to send a letter offering the two the opportunity to act as modern-day Cyrus figures: non-Jewish kings who recognize the importance of Israel and the Temple.

Cyrus the Great, King of Persia in the sixth century BCE, announced in the first year of his reign that he was prompted by God to make a decree that the Temple in Jerusalem should be rebuilt.

Thus saith Koresh king of Paras: All the kingdoms of the earth hath Hashem, the God of heaven, given me; and He hath charged me to build Him a house in Yerushalayim, which is in Yehuda. Ezra 1:2

Cyrus sent the Jews under his rule back to Israel with a considerable sum of money with which to rebuild the Temple. The Sanhedrin plans to call on the two world leaders to take up this ancient Biblical decree and support the Jewish people in their holy mission.

Rabbi Weiss explained that the US elections have made the eternal Jewish dream a very real possibility.

“We are poised to rebuild the Temple. The political conditions today, in which the two most important national leaders in the world support the Jewish right to Jerusalem as their spiritual inheritance, is historically unprecedented,” Rabbi Weiss told Breaking Israel News.


The Sanhedrin’s letter notes that Trump’s upset victory was due to his support of Jerusalem, and reminds Trump of his campaign promise to move the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, effectively recognizing the city as the capital of Israel. The Jerusalem Embassy Act, passed in Congress in 1995, initiated the moving of the embassy, but has been vetoed since every American president since. The Sanhedrin calls on Trump to withhold the veto after he takes office.

The Sanhedrin also recalled Putin’s connection to the Temple in its letter. During his third official trip to Jerusalem in 2012, Putin paid a late-night visit to the Kotel (Western Wall). When he arrived at the holy site, the Russian leader stood in silence for several minutes, offering up a personal prayer, after which he read Psalms from a Russian-Hebrew prayer book.

An Israeli bystander called out in Russian, “Welcome, President Putin.” Putin approached the man, who explained the importance of the Temple Mount and the Jewish Temple. Chadrei Charedim, an Orthodox Hebrew news site, reported that Putin responded, “That’s exactly the reason I came here – to pray for the Temple to be built again.”

After this remarkable exchange, the Sanhedrin sent a letter to Putin calling on him to fulfill his prayer. At the time, President Putin did not respond to the Sanhedrin’s request, but now that the incoming US president is a potential ally in the project, the Sanhedrin believes it is time for Putin to take an active role in rebuilding the Temple.

In addition to its requests concerning the Temple, the Sanhedrin is also calling on Putin and Trump to renew the 1920 League of Nations resolution known as the San Remo treaty, which essentially enabled the creation of a Jewish State by dividing the Ottoman Empire. It incorporated the Balfour Declaration, issued by Great Britain in 1917, which gave official recognition and backing for the establishment of Israel.

US President Calvin Coolidge ratified the San Remo agreement in 1925, thus making recognition of a Jewish State legally binding by US law. The Sanhedrin emphasized that it is imperative at this time, when the Palestinian Authority is attempting to rewrite world history by campaigning against the Balfour declaration, to strengthen the historic American commitment to the State of Israel by readopting the agreement.

Rabbi Weiss emphasized that supporting the Jewish claim to Jerusalem would bring benefit Russia and America, as well as the entire world.

One of the best articles that I have found on the topic of an Ezekiel chapter forty to forty eight temple complex is:

Temple according to Ezekiel's prophecy
Project 1534

2022

( ȼ ) The text of this book and illustrations, except for photographs, are in the public domain and this book is published here .

Aryeh Ben-Menashe email

This book is the result of the work of a team of authors.

Table of contents
1. Introduction
2. Location of the Temple
3. Architectural design of the Temple
4. Work of the temple complex
5. Theology of the Third Temple
6. Interpretation of the prophecy of Ezekiel
7. Interpretation of the Revelation of John
8. Numerical prophecies of the Bible
9. Little-known facts of the Bible
10. Conclusion
11. Questions

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We have a 3D model of the Temple that matches the description of Ezekiel .

1.2 The need to build the Temple

The period of the Great Tribulation, that is, the period of wars, epidemics, famine and natural disasters for mankind, and the period of mutual confessional isolation among believers will end only when the Temple is built, described in the book of the prophet Ezekiel, and in this Temple will gather "chosen from four winds”, that is, the followers of Jesus Christ from among the peoples of the whole world.

... for then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, and will not be. And if those days had not been shortened, no flesh would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. (Matthew 24:21,22)

“For the sake of the elect those days will be shortened,” and the elect cannot be gathered until there is a Temple. Only by building the Temple in accordance with the Holy Scriptures and providing an opportunity for the elect to gather there, we will fulfill the condition for ending the disasters of the Great Tribulation.

1.3 Ability to build a Temple

The territory where the Temple is to be built is located in Israel (zone "C"), it is a natural reserve, there are no religious or residential buildings on this territory, the place is free. The Israeli government has the opportunity to build a Temple there.

1.4 The timing of the construction of the Temple

Theologically, the Temple must be built by the 1st of the month of Tishrei. The eastern gates of the Temple must be opened on the morning of Yom Terua, and they will be closed forever at the end of Yom Kippur, when the consecration of the altar and the manifestation of the glory of the Lord are completed, that is, the solemn entry of the elect, with whom the Lord God of Israel will appear in the Temple.

The schemes we have for interpreting the numerical prophecies of the Bible, about the 70 weeks of Daniel, about 2300 evenings and mornings, about 1290 and 1335 days, suggest that the Temple should be built in 2023. Therefore, the approximate date for the construction of the Temple is September 16, 2023.

1.5 There will be no temple on Mount Moriah

The temple for the Messiah on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem cannot be built, because the Temple already stood there, into which the Messiah, Jesus Christ, appeared. God will not build a Temple for the Antichrist, and the devil does not need a material temple at all, because everyone would quickly expose him there, especially the Christian denominations that expect this.

The devil is not so stupid as to build a mousetrap for himself in which he will be caught. He is quite satisfied that he is the prince of this world. The current religions also suit the devil quite well, because they are completely subordinate to him and serve his interests, serve the authorities of this world.

It is impossible to build a copy of the Second Temple, because God has already shown us the Temple that will suit Him: we have the prophecy of Ezekiel, where all the main dimensions and charters of this Temple are given to us. To this day, we already know the place where this Temple should be built, and we have an architectural model of this Temple.

Therefore, all the expectations of the construction of the Temple on Mount Moriah are in vain, and the construction of the Third Temple depends only on us, and not on the Lord God. He has already done everything necessary for us to be able to build the Third Temple.

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[JWBooth]

The Christ is all the temple that is needed. He is the fulfillment of the Old Testament and its prophecies. His church is Israel, not some silly strip of land. To seek to revive ancient Judaism is a rejection of him.

 

[DennisPTate]

The Christ is all the temple that is needed. He is the fulfillment of the Old Testament and its prophecies. His church is Israel, not some silly strip of land. To seek to revive ancient Judaism is a rejection of him.

There was a time when I thought the same thing....
but then I re-read the following and I began to ask
some valid questions.

25Then He said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 26Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?” 27And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.

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He Is RisenNow #Matt. 28:1–8; Mark 16:1–8; John 20:1–8on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and certain other women with them, came to the tomb #Luke 23:56b

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Is it possible that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus wants His own lambs and sheep to consider that Ezekiel was blessed.....
and given accurate prophecies....
that will set the stage for Zechariah chapter fourteen to literally come to pass......
or.....

could it be that some of the events of Zechariah chapter fourteen are "Special Effects" that do not necessarily lead to the suffering or deaths of either horses or humans.....?????

[We now could use Robots to play the role of humans who get killed in prophesied end time events]?

We Messianic Jews and Christians say that we want Jesus to come to the earth....
and take over the earth.....
but does the Bride of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus want Jesus on the earth enough for them to actually believe in the literal fulfillment of Ezekiel chapters forty to forty eight?

[Howard Storm]

The Future of the United States​

Howard Storm recorded how his light being friends told him, in 1985, that the Cold War would soon end, because, “God is changing the hearts of people to love around the world.”

Storm states, “Since the time in 1985 when I was told these things about the future the Cold War ended with little bloodshed due to the hearts of people being unwilling to tolerate oppressive regimes.”

Storm described what the light beings told him concerning the way things will be on Earth in about 2185.

He asked the light beings the question, “Will the United States be the leader of the world in this change?”

The light beings replied, “The United States has been given the opportunity to be the teacher for the world, but much is expected of those to whom much has been given. The United States has been given more of everything than any country in the history of the world and it has failed to be generous with the gifts.

“If the United States continues to exploit the rest of the world by greedily consuming the world’s resources, the United States will have God’s blessing withdrawn.

“Your country will collapse economically which will result in civil chaos. Because of the greedy nature of the people, you will have people killing people for a cup of gasoline.

“The world will watch in horror as your country is obliterated by strife. The rest of the world will not intervene because they have been victims of your exploitation. They will welcome the annihilation of such selfish people.

“The United States must change immediately and become the teachers of goodness and generosity to the rest of the world.

“Today the United States is the primary merchant of war and the culture of violence that you export to the world. This will come to an end because you have the seeds of your own destruction within you. Either you will destroy yourselves or God will bring it to an end if there isn’t a change.”

Storm states, “I don’t know if the richest country in the history of the world is doomed to lose God’s blessing or if the people of the United States will become the moral light of the world. How long will God allow the injustice to continue? The future lies in the choices we make right now. God is intervening in direct ways in human events. May God’s will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven!”

In his 2000 book, “My Descent into Death,” Storm described possible timelines of a future Golden Age and a possible future of immense destruction. According to Storm, we currently live in a time when humanity is caught up in materialism, greed, and selfishness. Environmental degradation is worsening. Nations are aggressive and militaristic. Religion is more institutional than spiritual. We’re at a critical turning point. Humanity is choosing between two paths: destruction or transformation. If humanity fails to change, from between the 2030s to the 2060s, there will be worldwide environmental disasters (earthquakes, volcanoes, storms), the power grid will be sabotaged, a global financial collapse will occur, wars will break out around the world (no nuclear war), and social chaos will be widespread. A utopian future can occur between the 2100s and the 2200s – but only if humanity changes course now. This utopia will be a “Golden Age” when all war, poverty, and injustice are eliminated. The Earth will be healed and sustainably managed. Governments will be based on wisdom and compassion, not power. Spiritual beings will interact more openly with humanity. Life will be guided by divine love, not fear. But if destruction occurs before this utopia, there will be a recovery period between the 2060s and the 2100s when communities will emerge based on cooperation, love, and service. People will return to spiritual values. Technology will be reintroduced gradually, used ethically and sustainably. Storm was told that the future is not fixed. Our choices now will determine whether we face destruction or a spiritual rebirth.

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Could it possibly be that instead of Chinese money swallowing the economy of Canada......
that Hollywood North might just be used to transform the economy of China... and Tibet.... and Mongolia.... and all of the Middle East.... and all of the earth?

Thread 'Two hundred million ACTING jobs for men in China?'

Jan 15, 2026

Several years ago the thought crossed my mind that I personally may have totally misunderstood the true meaning of
pretty much every major idea in Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and the Minor Prophets, not to mention the Books of Moses, and even the Messianic Jewish Book of Revelation written by Messianic Rabbi John the Apostle.

The proposal for TWO HUNDRED MILLION ACTING JOBS MOSTLY FOR RESIDENTS OF CHINA, could potentially transform the nature of what seems to be the Economic Aspect of WWIII that may well have been going on for several decades, [based on my understanding of the documentary...

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