State Dept. told to plan for potential protests after Jerusalem embassy announcement

[Humanity]

Another reasonable post, but:

So, let's get an 'easy' war going that HE can join in without too much danger to America or it's troops.

You think this will be easy. I wonder how many Americans will die and how much this will cost us before it is over (which is likely never since perpetual war is the in thing with zionists).

I can see this becoming much larger than any of us can imagine if saner heads don't prevail. A majority of the members called for an emergency meeting at the UN. May be as soon as tomorrow. We'll see, fingers crossed.

It is certainly Trumps easiest option for a war... His posturing and pouting over NK is ridiculous, especially as he KNOWS he can never show his stupid haircut anywhere near there. China will scalp him and all who back him on that one! And, to be honest, do you really believe he gives a flying 'F' of how many die, from any side?

I find it incredibly difficult to understand the 'Team Israel' stance of "it will all blow over"... Serious failure of reality or any understanding of the seriousness of the decision of one man!

It saddens me to say this but Israel cannot be allowed to take this 'recognition' as any kind of victory. A victory needs to be 'won' not handed on a plate by a fool who, in his words, is making the decision because it is in the interest for America.

 

[Humanity]

You seem to have a well thought-out approach to this insanity. It's refreshing.

Can you provide me with the basics of what you mean here:

I believe you know my views in relation to Israel and it's absolute right to exist...

Thanks, and I'm not trying to offend anyone, I am seriously interested in what this means, exactly.

Sure...

My belief is that, a peoples want a 'homeland', they should have one.

Israel exists. Jews desire a 'homeland', desire a safe place. There we are, we have Israel.

So, Israel has an absolute right to exist as any other nation exists.

 

[abi]

Sure...

My belief is that, a peoples want a 'homeland', they should have one.

Israel exists. Jews desire a 'homeland', desire a safe place. There we are, we have Israel.

So, Israel has an absolute right to exist as any other nation exists.

Do you distinguish between zionists and Jews? And on another's land? And if Jews truly wanted/needed a homeland, how can their right to exist trample on other's rights?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Its really, actually a ridiculous idea. Considered for no other place or city in the world.

No other nation has named their capital on other's land.

Now go study!

It is not on another's land. Jordan gave up the West Bank officially in 1988. I still can't believe you call yourself Jewish, considering your views on Jerusalem. Rabbi Mordechai Machlis invites over 100 Yidden to to his Friday-night Shabbat meals to teach them divrei Torah. On those same Friday nights, you can see hundreds of Yeshiva and Bais-Yakov students dancing at the Kotel. Many Jewish homes have pictures on their walls saying, "Im eshkachech Yerushalayim tishkach yemini." What Jewish heart doesn't long for those narrow alleyways in the Old City, and would willingly give it up, after the miracle of the 6-day war? Those narrow alleyways ran red with Jewish blood as the chayalim crawled on their bellies, trying not to damage any holy sites. Jewish history would make no sense at all if we gave up Jerusalem...

 

[abi]

It is not on another's land. Jordan gave up the West Bank officially in 1988. I still can't believe you call yourself Jewish, considering your views on Jerusalem. Rabbi Mordechai Machlis invites over 100 Yidden to to his Friday-night Shabbat meals to teach them divrei Torah. On those same Friday nights, you can see hundreds of Yeshiva and Bais-Yakov students dancing at the Kotel. Many Jewish homes have pictures on their walls saying, "Im eshkachech Yerushalayim tishkach yemini." What Jewish heart doesn't long for those narrow alleyways in the Old City, and would willingly give it up, after the miracle of the 6-day war? Those narrow alleyways ran red with Jewish blood as the chayalim crawled on their bellies, trying not to damage any holy sites. Jewish history would make no sense at all if we gave up Jerusalem...

It was their land in 1925, a), and b) traditional Jewish thought does not back up your claim. You are speaking from zionist thought and the two are incompatible.

We Jews, who believe in the A-lmighty and his Torah and do not recognize the legitimacy of the Zionist entity, have come here to express the clear opposition of the authentic Jewish People to the abhorrence of Zionism and our absolute sympathy with the inhabitants of Jerusalem, whether Muslim, Christian or Jewish. So as to declare unshakably, our total opposition to the Zionist occupation of Jerusalem, and to express the tremendous importance we attach to the hoped for ending of the harsh Zionist occupation of the Palestinian land, the holy land, and especially the holy city of Jerusalem....

International Conference on Jerusalem

 

[Linkiloo]

I wonder how many of the brave(?) 'Team Israel' will be spitting their dummies out when Israel comes under attack because of a decision made in the US that, according to Trump, "course of action to be in the best interests of the United States of America".

Israel is under attack and has been since 1948. Same sh1t different day.

 

[rylah]

It is not on another's land. Jordan gave up the West Bank officially in 1988. I still can't believe you call yourself Jewish, considering your views on Jerusalem. Rabbi Mordechai Machlis invites over 100 Yidden to to his Friday-night Shabbat meals to teach them divrei Torah. On those same Friday nights, you can see hundreds of Yeshiva and Bais-Yakov students dancing at the Kotel. Many Jewish homes have pictures on their walls saying, "Im eshkachech Yerushalayim tishkach yemini." What Jewish heart doesn't long for those narrow alleyways in the Old City, and would willingly give it up, after the miracle of the 6-day war? Those narrow alleyways ran red with Jewish blood as the chayalim crawled on their bellies, trying not to damage any holy sites. Jewish history would make no sense at all if we gave up Jerusalem...

It was their land in 1925, a), and b) traditional Jewish thought does not back up your claim. You are speaking from zionist thought and the two are incompatible.

We Jews, who believe in the A-lmighty and his Torah and do not recognize the legitimacy of the Zionist entity, have come here to express the clear opposition of the authentic Jewish People to the abhorrence of Zionism and our absolute sympathy with the inhabitants of Jerusalem, whether Muslim, Christian or Jewish. So as to declare unshakably, our total opposition to the Zionist occupation of Jerusalem, and to express the tremendous importance we attach to the hoped for ending of the harsh Zionist occupation of the Palestinian land, the holy land, and especially the holy city of Jerusalem....

International Conference on Jerusalem

This, is actually the most radical voice , even other anti-Zionist groups distance from.`
Disconnecting Jews from Jerusalem proved impossible through history.

 

[Humanity]

Sure...

My belief is that, a peoples want a 'homeland', they should have one.

Israel exists. Jews desire a 'homeland', desire a safe place. There we are, we have Israel.

So, Israel has an absolute right to exist as any other nation exists.

Do you distinguish between zionists and Jews? And on another's land? And if Jews truly wanted/needed a homeland, how can their right to exist trample on other's rights?

Yes, I distinguish between zionists and Jews... Despite what some 'Team Israel' supporters believe, they are NOT the same!

No one has the right to "trample" over anyone. However, you cannot make an omelette without breaking an egg. How do you think things would have worked out if Israel had been created in Uganda? The idea was scrapped because it was felt too 'dangerous' by some zionists. Which is quite funny when you look at the location of Israel today.

Israel exists, let it be!

However, Israel also needs to let others be also. Israel needs to follow international 'rules' and protocols just like any other country. It gets a bit boring hearing things like "for our own defense" as an excuse for occupation of territory and a "police state" mentality.

 

[admonit]

So, Israel has an absolute right to exist as any other nation exists.

"Any other nation" doesn't ask permission about the location of its capital.

 

[Humanity]

So, Israel has an absolute right to exist as any other nation exists.

"Any other nation" doesn't ask permission about the location of its capital.

I am not sure that the French would be too happy about Germany declaring that half of Paris is now the capital of Germany. You would think that the Germans would have to "ask permission"!

 

[rylah]

So, Israel has an absolute right to exist as any other nation exists.

"Any other nation" doesn't ask permission about the location of its capital.

I am not sure that the French would be too happy about Germany declaring that half of Paris is now the capital of Germany. You would think that the Germans would have to "ask permission"!

Yes but this is exactly why Trump's recognition of Jerusalem is exactly like recognition of Paris as French capital in spite of Adolf invasion. Arabs never had a capital in Jerusalem,they want it only because Jews initially made it important. When they invaded they built Ramallah exactly to serve as a govt. seat/capital.
Am I wrong?

 

[Humanity]

So, Israel has an absolute right to exist as any other nation exists.

"Any other nation" doesn't ask permission about the location of its capital.

I am not sure that the French would be too happy about Germany declaring that half of Paris is now the capital of Germany. You would think that the Germans would have to "ask permission"!

Yes but this is exactly why Trump's recognition of Jerusalem is exactly like recognition of Paris as French capital in spite of Adolf invasion. Arabs never had a capital in Jerusalem,they want it only because Jews initially made it important. When they invaded they built Ramallah exactly to serve as a govt. seat/capital.
Am I wrong?

Whoo did you miss the point!

 

[rylah]

So, Israel has an absolute right to exist as any other nation exists.

"Any other nation" doesn't ask permission about the location of its capital.

I am not sure that the French would be too happy about Germany declaring that half of Paris is now the capital of Germany. You would think that the Germans would have to "ask permission"!

Yes but this is exactly why Trump's recognition of Jerusalem is exactly like recognition of Paris as French capital in spite of Adolf invasion. Arabs never had a capital in Jerusalem,they want it only because Jews initially made it important. When they invaded they built Ramallah exactly to serve as a govt. seat/capital.
Am I wrong?

Whoo did you miss the point!

The point erroneously made, was that Arabs EVER had a capital in Jerusalem.
This is historically untrue. They've built Ramallah away from Jerusalem exactly for that purpose.
Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and the Jewish people as Paris is capital of France.

 

[rylah]

So, Israel has an absolute right to exist as any other nation exists.

"Any other nation" doesn't ask permission about the location of its capital.

I am not sure that the French would be too happy about Germany declaring that half of Paris is now the capital of Germany. You would think that the Germans would have to "ask permission"!

Yes but this is exactly why Trump's recognition of Jerusalem is exactly like recognition of Paris as French capital in spite of Adolf invasion. Arabs never had a capital in Jerusalem,they want it only because Jews initially made it important. When they invaded they built Ramallah exactly to serve as a govt. seat/capital.
Am I wrong?

Whoo did you miss the point!

The point erroneously made, was that Arabs EVER had a capital in Jerusalem.
This is historically untrue. They've built Ramallah away from Jerusalem exactly for that purpose.
Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and the Jewish people as Paris is capital of France.

What's funny about that?
Jerusalem is Zion, it's the center of the world for Jews.
And has been for 3500 years.

 

[Humanity]

So, Israel has an absolute right to exist as any other nation exists.

"Any other nation" doesn't ask permission about the location of its capital.

I am not sure that the French would be too happy about Germany declaring that half of Paris is now the capital of Germany. You would think that the Germans would have to "ask permission"!

Yes but this is exactly why Trump's recognition of Jerusalem is exactly like recognition of Paris as French capital in spite of Adolf invasion. Arabs never had a capital in Jerusalem,they want it only because Jews initially made it important. When they invaded they built Ramallah exactly to serve as a govt. seat/capital.
Am I wrong?

Ramallah...? Want to tell me what Israeli troops are doing there? Israeli occupation needs to end!

 

[ForeverYoung436]

So, Israel has an absolute right to exist as any other nation exists.

"Any other nation" doesn't ask permission about the location of its capital.

I am not sure that the French would be too happy about Germany declaring that half of Paris is now the capital of Germany. You would think that the Germans would have to "ask permission"!

Yes but this is exactly why Trump's recognition of Jerusalem is exactly like recognition of Paris as French capital in spite of Adolf invasion. Arabs never had a capital in Jerusalem,they want it only because Jews initially made it important. When they invaded they built Ramallah exactly to serve as a govt. seat/capital.
Am I wrong?

Ramallah...? Want to tell me what Israeli troops are doing there? Israeli occupation needs to end!

That I agree with. But where does the occupation begin and end? You say the occupation consists of the West Bank. Tinmore says the occupation consists of all Israel proper, including Tel-Aviv.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

"Any other nation" doesn't ask permission about the location of its capital.

I am not sure that the French would be too happy about Germany declaring that half of Paris is now the capital of Germany. You would think that the Germans would have to "ask permission"!

Yes but this is exactly why Trump's recognition of Jerusalem is exactly like recognition of Paris as French capital in spite of Adolf invasion. Arabs never had a capital in Jerusalem,they want it only because Jews initially made it important. When they invaded they built Ramallah exactly to serve as a govt. seat/capital.
Am I wrong?

Whoo did you miss the point!

The point erroneously made, was that Arabs EVER had a capital in Jerusalem.
This is historically untrue. They've built Ramallah away from Jerusalem exactly for that purpose.
Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and the Jewish people as Paris is capital of France.

What's funny about that?
Jerusalem is Zion, it's the center of the world for Jews.
And has been for 3500 years.

Actually, I think it's only been 3,000 years, since a few years ago was the celebration commemorating King David making Jerusalem the capital of Israel, 3 millennia ago.

 

[admonit]

Ramallah...? Want to tell me what Israeli troops are doing there? Israeli occupation needs to end!

Israeli troops are not deployed in Ramallah.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Ramallah...? Want to tell me what Israeli troops are doing there? Israeli occupation needs to end!

Israeli troops are not deployed in Ramallah.

That is true, but I think they can enter if there are tremendous disturbances there. I could be wrong though.

 

[Humanity]

Ramallah...? Want to tell me what Israeli troops are doing there? Israeli occupation needs to end!

Israeli troops are not deployed in Ramallah.

Funny that, this very morning, I watched Israeli forces in Ramallah firing tear gas on the streets. Didn't seen any "tremendous disturbances" taking place!