State Dept. told to plan for potential protests after Jerusalem embassy announcement

[Shusha]

And stealing land in war is war crime with no statute of limitations.

Jerusalem is Jewish land. It was stolen from the Jewish people. The Jewish people have it back. This is correction of an historical wrong. Not a war crime. And I'm glad you agree there is no statute of limitations on the restoration of sovereignty of an historical peoples to a place.

 

[Shusha]

That's both silly and offensive.

It is silly to think that in a peace treaty Israel will hold some part of Jerusalem? Really? Do you really expect Israel to cede and abandon ALL of Jerusalem? That's silly.

Its offensive to consider that Israel will hold sovereignty over some part of Jerusalem? Why would that offend anyone? Its the city of the Jewish people. Has been for 3000 years. Why is the presence of Jews in their own city offensive to anyone?

 

[abi]

Israel DID, in fact, establish itself with peaceful means.

Stop, the zionists declared independence on land that was not theirs. They came from a completely different continent.

The mere presence of Jewish people not acting like proper dhimmis infuriates the entire Muslim world.

Wrong.

 

[Shusha]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intifada#cite_note-Meinel-5
In the Palestinian context, with which it is particularly associated, the word refers to attempts to "shake off" the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the First and Second Intifadas,[5][6] where it was originally chosen to connote "aggressive nonviolent resistance",[1]...
Intifada - Wikipedia

But it is not nonviolent resistance. In practice, it is violent resistance and in particular it is the murder of innocent Jews.

 

[Humanity]

I am not sure that the French would be too happy about Germany declaring that half of Paris is now the capital of Germany. You would think that the Germans would have to "ask permission"!

This is a fallacious argument. France and Germany are two separate sovereign States with an international border between them. Israel and Arab Palestine are in the midst of an internal civil war under which the territory, including Jerusalem, remains disputed and unresolved.

Only fallacious in the current situation.

If, and of course, it's a big IF, there were an agreed peace treaty then there would be sovereign state and international borders.

The decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel does not help the peace process. Does not help in any negotiation.

I think the flaw with that argument falls on the claim to some alleged “peace process”. There hasn’t been any meaningful peace process in decades. Both Hamas and Fatah have been comfortably maintaining their respective mini-caliphates via the UN funded welfare fraud. Neither Abbas nor Mashal are going let anyone challenge their dictatorships, as long as the welfare fraud money is delivered to them by the truckload. If you look at the news coming out of the West Bank, Abbas is actually ramping up the propaganda and incitement generated by his Islamic terrorist syndicate. I can’t fault Trump for making a bold move. When someone suggests that Arabs-Moslems are committed to peace, I have to take that in the context of incitement by Abbas praising attacks by Arabs-moslems against Israelis using guns, knives and vehicles.

The Islamic Peaceful Inner Struggle rolls on.

The ONLY person to level the accusation of "incitement" at is Trump for making the decision he made.

You need to keep up with the news.

Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh calls for 'new intifada' against Israel

What do you think intifada means?



Trump's Jerusalem decision: The Palestinian leadership is encouraging violence

What do you think violence means?

Oh I keep up with the news...

Let's see...

Why do you think that Hamas leader has called for intifada NOW? Do you think it could be in response to Trumps ridiculous decision KNOWING that he was inciting violence!?!?!

 

[abi]

Jerusalem is Jewish land. It was stolen from the Jewish people. The Jewish people have it back.

Wrong.
The zionists do NOT speak for the Jewish people and antizionism is NOT antisemitism.

Its the city of the Jewish people.

Wrong (see above).

Has been for 3000 years.

Totally wrong, Hebrew was not even spoken there for centuries.

Why is the presence of Jews in their own city offensive to anyone?

It isn't. That's only in your fantasy.

 

[abi]

But it is not nonviolent resistance. In practice, it is violent resistance and in particular it is the murder of innocent Jews.

She wanted to know what it meant and I showed her. The rest is commentary, now go study.

 

[Humanity]

Israel DID, in fact, establish itself with peaceful means. Israel is still, in fact, existing with peaceful means. This recognition of Jerusalem by the US is, in point of fact, a peaceful means.

That statement is HIGHLY suspect and really does not reflect the real facts!

The problem is that even peaceful declarations like this infuriates the entire Muslim world. The mere presence of Jewish people not acting like proper dhimmis infuriates the entire Muslim world.

Trumps declaration was "peaceful"? Are you kidding me?!

It has not ONLY infuriated the Muslim world, it has infuriated every free thinking nation on the planet! Check out what other, non Muslim world leaders have had to say about Trump and his idiotic declaration!

 

[Shusha]

... Trumps ridiculous decision KNOWING that he was inciting violence!?!?!

Inciting violence? Trump was NOT inciting violence! You do know what "inciting violence" means, right? Inciting violence is when you call for three days of rage. Inciting violence is when you say "death to America, death to Israel". Inciting violence is calling for a enewal of the knife intifada or any new intifada.

If an abusive husband doesn't get the dinner that he likes and beats his wife for it the WIFE is not the one inciting violence by her failure to please her husband.

Sheesh, you guys. Think this through.

 

[abi]

If an abusive husband doesn't get the dinner that he likes and beats his wife for it the WIFE is not the one inciting violence by her failure to please her husband.

Israel is the abusive husband in your example. The Palestinians have been the victims for decades.But zionists have to blame the victims. It is part of the narrative.

 

[Hollie]

This is a fallacious argument. France and Germany are two separate sovereign States with an international border between them. Israel and Arab Palestine are in the midst of an internal civil war under which the territory, including Jerusalem, remains disputed and unresolved.

Only fallacious in the current situation.

If, and of course, it's a big IF, there were an agreed peace treaty then there would be sovereign state and international borders.

The decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel does not help the peace process. Does not help in any negotiation.

I think the flaw with that argument falls on the claim to some alleged “peace process”. There hasn’t been any meaningful peace process in decades. Both Hamas and Fatah have been comfortably maintaining their respective mini-caliphates via the UN funded welfare fraud. Neither Abbas nor Mashal are going let anyone challenge their dictatorships, as long as the welfare fraud money is delivered to them by the truckload. If you look at the news coming out of the West Bank, Abbas is actually ramping up the propaganda and incitement generated by his Islamic terrorist syndicate. I can’t fault Trump for making a bold move. When someone suggests that Arabs-Moslems are committed to peace, I have to take that in the context of incitement by Abbas praising attacks by Arabs-moslems against Israelis using guns, knives and vehicles.

The Islamic Peaceful Inner Struggle rolls on.

The ONLY person to level the accusation of "incitement" at is Trump for making the decision he made.

You need to keep up with the news.

Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh calls for 'new intifada' against Israel

What do you think intifada means?



Trump's Jerusalem decision: The Palestinian leadership is encouraging violence

What do you think violence means?

Oh I keep up with the news...

Let's see...

Why do you think that Hamas leader has called for intifada NOW? Do you think it could be in response to Trumps ridiculous decision KNOWING that he was inciting violence!?!?!

That's really silly. Trump is not the one inciting violence. That falls to the islamist dictators in Gaza and the West Bank calling out their minions to an intifada.

Lets be honest. Trump's announcement was, at least temporarily, a reprieve for the islamist dictators Haniyeh and Abbas in that they can redirect Moslem Rage elsewhere, at least for a time.

One of the first rules in the maintenance of totalitarianism is to invent an external enemy to deflect scrutiny and criticism of the real enemy: the internal oppressor(s).

When brutal, theocratic fear societies look to strengthen themselves internally, a reliable tactic is to whip its citizens into a hateful frenzy over invented external enemies and their internal agents. It works best when it's a full-blown, across the board effort.

 

[Hollie]

If an abusive husband doesn't get the dinner that he likes and beats his wife for it the WIFE is not the one inciting violence by her failure to please her husband.

Israel is the abusive husband in your example. The Palestinians have been the victims for decades.But zionists have to blame the victims. It is part of the narrative.

Ah, yes, the Islamic terrorist "victim".

Isn't it funny how we see all these islamist "victims" running around with machine guns, complaining of discrimination, whining about being unfairly accused of terrorist bombings, and warning their enemies of the innocent civilians that would be killed in a gee-had reprisal? You islamics justify your murderous acts by claiming to be oppressed by non-Moslems. But if you were truly fighting oppression, you would surely lash out at your own oppressive governments first. On the contrary; you are actually doing your oppressive government's bidding. When terrorists are given the chance to run their own governments, the first thing they do is lock down their society, remove all human rights, and oppress everyone within their borders with intolerable religious laws and vicious, cruel, and ruthless enforcement. It's no accident that these patterns are seen over and over again; it's a well-thought-out, effective strategy, and it will continue to succeed unless and until your islamist lies are exposed. These are not random acts perpetrated by insane criminals; they are deliberately orchestrated by well-organized, deeply religious, petrol-funded terrorist organizations, many of whom operate under the guise of Islamic "charities" and receive direct aid from Arab governments.

 

[abi]

Ah, yes, the Islamic terrorist "victim".

Isn't it funny how we see all these islamist "victims" running around with machine guns, complaining of discrimination, whining about being unfairly accused of terrorist bombings, and warning their enemies of the innocent civilians that would be killed in a gee-had reprisal? You islamics justify your murderous acts by claiming to be oppressed by non-Moslems. But if you were truly fighting oppression, you would surely lash out at your own oppressive governments first. On the contrary; you are actually doing your oppressive government's bidding. When terrorists are given the chance to run their own governments, the first thing they do is lock down their society, remove all human rights, and oppress everyone within their borders with intolerable religious laws and vicious, cruel, and ruthless enforcement. It's no accident that these patterns are seen over and over again; it's a well-thought-out, effective strategy, and it will continue to succeed unless and until your islamist lies are exposed. These are not random acts perpetrated by insane criminals; they are deliberately orchestrated by well-organized, deeply religious, petrol-funded terrorist organizations, many of whom operate under the guise of Islamic "charities" and receive direct aid from Arab governments.

Is everything you just typed not all true for the zionist terrorists?

 

[Hollie]

Ah, yes, the Islamic terrorist "victim".

Isn't it funny how we see all these islamist "victims" running around with machine guns, complaining of discrimination, whining about being unfairly accused of terrorist bombings, and warning their enemies of the innocent civilians that would be killed in a gee-had reprisal? You islamics justify your murderous acts by claiming to be oppressed by non-Moslems. But if you were truly fighting oppression, you would surely lash out at your own oppressive governments first. On the contrary; you are actually doing your oppressive government's bidding. When terrorists are given the chance to run their own governments, the first thing they do is lock down their society, remove all human rights, and oppress everyone within their borders with intolerable religious laws and vicious, cruel, and ruthless enforcement. It's no accident that these patterns are seen over and over again; it's a well-thought-out, effective strategy, and it will continue to succeed unless and until your islamist lies are exposed. These are not random acts perpetrated by insane criminals; they are deliberately orchestrated by well-organized, deeply religious, petrol-funded terrorist organizations, many of whom operate under the guise of Islamic "charities" and receive direct aid from Arab governments.

Is everything you just typed not all true for the zionist terrorists?

You don't get a Hudna. I'm not surprised, however, that you chose to beg off on any salient response as I have committed the sin of "hurting Moslem's feelings".

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It helps because it recognizes REALITY. It dispenses with any illusions that Jerusalem (or a part of it) will not be under Israeli sovereignty. Of course, it will. Its silly to think otherwise.

That's both silly and offensive.

It already HAS been for decades.

And stealing land in war is war crime with no statute of limitations.

Who stole land? Who did they steal it from? When?
Be specific.

 

[Shusha]

If an abusive husband doesn't get the dinner that he likes and beats his wife for it the WIFE is not the one inciting violence by her failure to please her husband.

Israel is the abusive husband in your example. The Palestinians have been the victims for decades.But zionists have to blame the victims. It is part of the narrative.

No, abi. There is nothing abusive about Jewish sovereignty in Jewish historical lands, including Jerusalem. There is certainly nothing abusive in recognizing reality. There is nothing abusive about resisting terrorism (that is self-defence). And the presence of Jews in territory is certainly not inciting violence.

 

[Shusha]

Trumps declaration was "peaceful"? Are you kidding me?!

You have an odd definition of "peaceful", then. Trump decision caused no harm to anyone, no one was killed because of the decision, nothing even CHANGED. It was a peaceful, nonviolent resistance to the idea that the Jews must be removed from Jerusalem, if you will.

If an abused wife does something to make the husband angry, and the husband beats her -- its NOT the wife who is responsible for his violence. He, and only he, is responsible for his violence.

 

[abi]

No, abi. There is nothing abusive about Jewish sovereignty in Jewish historical lands, including Jerusalem

It's zionist sovereignty: The zionists do NOT speak for the Jewish people and antizionism is NOT antisemitism.

There is certainly nothing abusive in recognizing reality.

Please do so then.

There is nothing abusive about resisting terrorism (that is self-defence).

Tell that to your friends who believe that this right does not apply to Palestinians.

And the presence of Jews in territory is certainly not inciting violence.

True.

 

[abi]

You have an odd definition of "peaceful", then. Trump decision caused no harm to anyone, no one was killed because of the decision, nothing even CHANGED. It was a peaceful, nonviolent resistance to the idea that the Jews must be removed from Jerusalem, if you will.

Like it was peaceful in 1948 when Ben-Gurion, another lunatic, declared independence for the zionist regime on another's land.

If an abused wife does something to make the husband angry, and the husband beats her -- its NOT the wife who is responsible for his violence. He, and only he, is responsible for his violence.

We've been through this; the zionists are the husband in your example.

 

[Hollie]

You have an odd definition of "peaceful", then. Trump decision caused no harm to anyone, no one was killed because of the decision, nothing even CHANGED. It was a peaceful, nonviolent resistance to the idea that the Jews must be removed from Jerusalem, if you will.

Like it was peaceful in 1948 when Ben-Gurion, another lunatic, declared independence for the zionist regime on another's land.

If an abused wife does something to make the husband angry, and the husband beats her -- its NOT the wife who is responsible for his violence. He, and only he, is responsible for his violence.

We've been through this; the zionists are the husband in your example.

It wasn't so peaceful a hundred years earlier than that when moslems had strength of numbers to enforce the dhimmi class.