Spicer Threatens the Free Press

[flacaltenn]

"All those other sources" DID NOT just repost the libel as fact.

NOBODY reported the accusation (what you prematurely call "libel" here) as "fact". What they ALL reported was that there was an altercation. Lombard came in, made the accusation.

That's IT. That's the entire story. Reporting that story isn't making the accusation. Just as the AP reporting that Katrina flooded New Orleans doesn't mean the AP made it rain.

What don't summa y'all GET about this? The story is "man comes in, says X". PERIOD.

Again you demonstrate your ignorance. The key word being 'dissemination' do you know what that means? It means they disseminated the video which defamed Spicer without any attempt to verify the claim that spicer had used the n. word.

Indeed.. That paper was NOT interested in writing a BALANCED story with all the historical context when they 1st disseminated the sliming video. It was only after Spicer "lawyered up" and they were getting out by other media sources.

The whole thing about B-bart "un-named sources" could VERY well be because the sources have ALREADY been contacted by Spicer's lawyer and this information is now waiting for "official court discovery"... If you plan on suing the libel and the paper for being complicit in the libel -- you do not want the sources identified at this point.

 

[westwall]

I have no idea what "Dinky Town" is or what you're talking about here. There is no "Dinky Town Herald" I've ever heard of.

But I did take the liberty to look around to the original reporting source (NewportRI.com) and found a followup that leaves conflicting accounts -- here

Lombard says John Farley (brother of Chris) tackled Spicer; Farley says nothing like that happened. Marc Leandro on the other hand says it definitely did happen. Yet another he said - he said.

Then there was:

>> Cliff Hobbins has been teaching subjects including history, economics and foreign policy at Portsmouth Abbey since 1976, and was a housemaster when the alleged incident occurred. He said Portsmouth Abbey housemasters met regularly and there was never a hint of such a disturbance.

“Something like that would have spread like wildfire among the students and it would have gotten back to the faculty,” Hobbins said. “We have very strict disciplinary policies regarding something like that. Sean Spicer would have been expelled if anything like that occurred.

“I’m not saying it never happened, but I did not know anything about it,” Hobbins said. << (from the same link)
​

So two conflicting accounts and a neutral but at least they have actual names.

As for "as it now seems possible -- those "journalists" were actually complicit in the crime" that's a suggestion with nothing behind it. Not even a name.

B-bart ASKED the Newport (dinkyTown) Herald to comment on the allegation about AIDING in setting up that confrontation. Simplest thing would be for them to issue to denial. But instead they DODGED the question with no comments. THAT seems to indicate the veracity of the B-bart sources. Why would the paper just not categorically DENY that allegation?

Yanno what, I've actually spent time in Newport Rhode Island and never heard of "Dinky Town".

I have no evidence that Dimbart asked anybody anything. They cited no sources. I can't take the word of Steve Bannon as a serious source, just because he says so without any documentation. I mean come ON.

They said they have sources. When the WaPo says they have unnamed sources its a national scandal. Unnamed sources are the go-to of GREAT journalism these days. I asked you ---

When B-bart ASKED the paper for comment on allegation that THEY HELPED arrange this confrontation --- WHY did they simply not categorically deny it ?? THAT'S how "unnamed sources" get refuted is it not?

It is, but poges is intellectually dishonest as we all know. The fact that the newspaper (and I hate to grant it that moniker based on behavior) would print such scurrilous crap is a testament to how low the journalistic standards have fallen. Fortunately for the newspapers there are tones of slow witted people, like poges here, so they are able to get away with their unethical behavior.

Once AGAIN it's a real incident that really happened. Y'all want to sit here and deny that an incident recorded on video didn't happen, there's nothing we can do about your tenuous grasp on reality.

Are you truly this stupid? Why yes, yes you are. We KNOW that the asshole falsely accused Spicer at the bookstore you twit. We KNOW it was video taped. We also KNOW that the claim is false, and that the newspaper is apparently COMPLICIT in disseminating false accusations against Spicer you flaming idiot.

 

[flacaltenn]

I'll put this in small words this time. YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE THAT THE PAPER "DENIED" ANYTHING. We have no evidence that they were even ASKED anything.

Of course I do. B-Bart stated as FACT that the paper was asked for confirmation and refused to deny the allegation of their complicity. Media sources don't lie about their discussions with other media sources. That's STILL covered under the shrinking rules of ethical journalism.

Statement of fact -- they were ASKED TO COMMENT and refused.

 

[Pogo]

"All those other sources" DID NOT just repost the libel as fact.

NOBODY reported the accusation (what you prematurely call "libel" here) as "fact". What they ALL reported was that there was an altercation. Lombard came in, made the accusation.

That's IT. That's the entire story. Reporting that story isn't making the accusation. Just as the AP reporting that Katrina flooded New Orleans doesn't mean the AP made it rain.

What don't summa y'all GET about this? The story is "man comes in, says X". PERIOD.

Again you demonstrate your ignorance. The key word being 'dissemination' do you know what that means? It means they disseminated the video which defamed Spicer without any attempt to verify the claim that spicer had used the n. word.

Again, BULLSHIT. Here's the AP page. There's no video on it. The video is on the NewportRI.com page --- which was not named by the attorney.

So once AGAIN for those with slow reading eyes, Bowe isn't asking for the video to be retracted --- he's asking for the simple report that the incident took place to be retracted.

"All those other sources" DID NOT just repost the libel as fact.

NOBODY reported the accusation (what you prematurely call "libel" here) as "fact". What they ALL reported was that there was an altercation. Lombard came in, made the accusation.

That's IT. That's the entire story. Reporting that story isn't making the accusation. Just as the AP reporting that Katrina flooded New Orleans doesn't mean the AP made it rain.

What don't summa y'all GET about this? The story is "man comes in, says X". PERIOD.

Again you demonstrate your ignorance. The key word being 'dissemination' do you know what that means? It means they disseminated the video which defamed Spicer without any attempt to verify the claim that spicer had used the n. word.

Again, BULLSHIT. Here's the AP page. There's no video on it. The video is on the NewportRI.com page --- which was not named by the attorney.

So once AGAIN for those with slow reading eyes, Bowe isn't asking for the video to be retracted --- he's asking for the simple report that the incident took place to be retracted.

Ah gotcha again! there is a link to the video on the ap page you just mentioned. Read it again....with your glasses on. bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

AGAIN -- WRONG. There is a link to the AP's source, which is the original story page on NewportRI.com. On THAT page there's a video, with a warning. Which I already explained to your wangly ass. Needless to say the Associated Press has no control over what NewportRI.com embeds on its website.

That's what real journalism is supposed to do --- cite its sources. You know, like your Dimbart page couldn't, which is why it's not real journalism. If you need a refresher course go see that "journalistic ethics" list you posted.

So you wanna complain that AP followed journalistic ethics by citing where the story comes from. As I said, having it both ways: Priceless.

 

[Pogo]

I'll put this in small words this time. YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE THAT THE PAPER "DENIED" ANYTHING. We have no evidence that they were even ASKED anything.

Of course I do. B-Bart stated as FACT that the paper was asked for confirmation and refused to deny the allegation of their complicity. Media sources don't lie about their discussions with other media sources. That's STILL covered under the shrinking rules of ethical journalism.

Statement of fact -- they were ASKED TO COMMENT and refused.

OK I may know you're being satirical here but we're in the presence of the dim. Just for their benefit, Dimbart is not exactly known for its, how shall we put it, 'ethics in journalism'. So if their word is all we have, that and four dollars might buy a coffee at Starbucks.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Note the forum: "US Constitution" -- not Current Events or Politics. This is not (particularly) a story about Sean Spicer. It is a story about the First Amendment and whether it can be curtailed at will.

Spicer Threatens Legal Action over AP Report

>> Former White House press secretary Sean Spicer is threatening to take legal action against The Associated Press over a report from the wire service about an incident on his book tour.

Spicer’s attorney Michael Bowe said in a statement Saturday night that the AP “recklessly republished a categorically false accusation about Sean Spicer.”

“The claim is a lie. Absent an immediate retraction, Mr. Spicer will take legal action Monday,” Bowe said.

The AP report, published Saturday, documented an incident at Spicer’s book signing in Middletown, R.I., on Friday during which a black man claiming to be a former classmate of Spicer’s at Portsmouth Abbey School accused Spicer of using a racial slur.

... Video of the encounter published by NewportRI.com shows the man, identified as Alex Lombard, approaching Spicer at event.

"Sean, I was a day student at [Portsmouth] Abbey, too, with you,” Lombard said.

“Hey," Spicer replies. "Yes, how are you?”

You don’t remember that you tried to fight me?" Lombard said. "But you called me a [n-word] first."

The video then shows security escorting Lombard out of the event.

"I was 14 then. I was a scared kid then, Sean. I’m not scared to fight you now," Lombard can be heard yelling. <<
​

The AP report in question is in the link worded "AP Report". The actual video of the incident taking place, in full, is at the link worded "NewportRI.com".

Obviously the event happened. You can't deny what's clearly visible and audible on video --- yet here's Spicer's attorney threatening just that.

In his campaigning in 2016 Spicer's ex-boss Rump infamously declared he would "open up" libel laws to intimidate journalism and control the flow of information.

​

Perhaps Spicer wishes that could have been a real thing*.


(* "Congress shall make no Law respecting an establishment of Religion, or prohibiting the free Exercise thereof; or abridging the Freedom of Speech, or of the Press; or the Right of the People peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of Grievances".)

Long live the First Amendment.

The AP is globalist propaganda, Goebbels would be proud.

I equate it with a steaming pile of dog doo, and give it the same consideration.

 

[Pogo]

We KNOW that the asshole falsely accused Spicer at the bookstore you twit.

Oh do we now.

And how do we know the accusation was "false"? Were you too at the prep school that day along with Bobby Darin and these other USMB posters? I mean this group is getting quite large at this point, walking around with one of these guys all day...

We KNOW it was video taped.

Check.

We also KNOW that the claim is false, and that the newspaper is apparently COMPLICIT in disseminating false accusations against Spicer you flaming idiot.

Oh really.

And how do we "know" any of that? Because Dimbart suggested it and we'd like it to be true?

Say, I've got this bridge I need to sell....

 

[Pogo]

Note the forum: "US Constitution" -- not Current Events or Politics. This is not (particularly) a story about Sean Spicer. It is a story about the First Amendment and whether it can be curtailed at will.

Spicer Threatens Legal Action over AP Report

>> Former White House press secretary Sean Spicer is threatening to take legal action against The Associated Press over a report from the wire service about an incident on his book tour.

Spicer’s attorney Michael Bowe said in a statement Saturday night that the AP “recklessly republished a categorically false accusation about Sean Spicer.”

“The claim is a lie. Absent an immediate retraction, Mr. Spicer will take legal action Monday,” Bowe said.

The AP report, published Saturday, documented an incident at Spicer’s book signing in Middletown, R.I., on Friday during which a black man claiming to be a former classmate of Spicer’s at Portsmouth Abbey School accused Spicer of using a racial slur.

... Video of the encounter published by NewportRI.com shows the man, identified as Alex Lombard, approaching Spicer at event.

"Sean, I was a day student at [Portsmouth] Abbey, too, with you,” Lombard said.

“Hey," Spicer replies. "Yes, how are you?”

You don’t remember that you tried to fight me?" Lombard said. "But you called me a [n-word] first."

The video then shows security escorting Lombard out of the event.

"I was 14 then. I was a scared kid then, Sean. I’m not scared to fight you now," Lombard can be heard yelling. <<
​

The AP report in question is in the link worded "AP Report". The actual video of the incident taking place, in full, is at the link worded "NewportRI.com".

Obviously the event happened. You can't deny what's clearly visible and audible on video --- yet here's Spicer's attorney threatening just that.

In his campaigning in 2016 Spicer's ex-boss Rump infamously declared he would "open up" libel laws to intimidate journalism and control the flow of information.

​

Perhaps Spicer wishes that could have been a real thing*.


(* "Congress shall make no Law respecting an establishment of Religion, or prohibiting the free Exercise thereof; or abridging the Freedom of Speech, or of the Press; or the Right of the People peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of Grievances".)

Long live the First Amendment.

The AP is globalist propaganda, Goebbels would be proud.

I equate it with a steaming pile of dog doo, and give it the same consideration.

Yyyyeah um.... it's on video.

SEE ya.

 

[flacaltenn]

"All those other sources" DID NOT just repost the libel as fact.

NOBODY reported the accusation (what you prematurely call "libel" here) as "fact". What they ALL reported was that there was an altercation. Lombard came in, made the accusation.

That's IT. That's the entire story. Reporting that story isn't making the accusation. Just as the AP reporting that Katrina flooded New Orleans doesn't mean the AP made it rain.

What don't summa y'all GET about this? The story is "man comes in, says X". PERIOD.

Again you demonstrate your ignorance. The key word being 'dissemination' do you know what that means? It means they disseminated the video which defamed Spicer without any attempt to verify the claim that spicer had used the n. word.

Again, BULLSHIT. Here's the AP page. There's no video on it. The video is on the NewportRI.com page --- which was not named by the attorney.

So once AGAIN for those with slow reading eyes, Bowe isn't asking for the video to be retracted --- he's asking for the simple report that the incident took place to be retracted.

The AP IS NOT the problem. The Newport (DinkyTown) herald IS. The lawyer has NO ISSUES with all the other media reporting and responding. Because as i showed you --- MOST of the right wing and indie sources ONLY covered it. because the story was sketchy and weird journalism. Because the Newport paper focused on this incident WITHOUT any journalistic integrity to RESEARCH the background of this feud BEFORE they pushed the story nation-wide.

Here's what likely happened. Like with Allan Dershowitz getting death threats on Martha's Vineyard, ANYONE that associates with any pro-Trump angle gets an UNWELCOME mat laid out for them. DinkyTown heard Spicer was coming to their Blue Safe Space and plotted to blind side his book tour with a 40 year old school yard accusation by a felony crack cocaine user. And they just weren't interested in "journalism" at that point. Maybe now that Spicer has a lawyer -- they're getting more interested in the ACTUAL story..

 

[Marion Morrison]

Note the forum: "US Constitution" -- not Current Events or Politics. This is not (particularly) a story about Sean Spicer. It is a story about the First Amendment and whether it can be curtailed at will.

Spicer Threatens Legal Action over AP Report

>> Former White House press secretary Sean Spicer is threatening to take legal action against The Associated Press over a report from the wire service about an incident on his book tour.

Spicer’s attorney Michael Bowe said in a statement Saturday night that the AP “recklessly republished a categorically false accusation about Sean Spicer.”

“The claim is a lie. Absent an immediate retraction, Mr. Spicer will take legal action Monday,” Bowe said.

The AP report, published Saturday, documented an incident at Spicer’s book signing in Middletown, R.I., on Friday during which a black man claiming to be a former classmate of Spicer’s at Portsmouth Abbey School accused Spicer of using a racial slur.

... Video of the encounter published by NewportRI.com shows the man, identified as Alex Lombard, approaching Spicer at event.

"Sean, I was a day student at [Portsmouth] Abbey, too, with you,” Lombard said.

“Hey," Spicer replies. "Yes, how are you?”

You don’t remember that you tried to fight me?" Lombard said. "But you called me a [n-word] first."

The video then shows security escorting Lombard out of the event.

"I was 14 then. I was a scared kid then, Sean. I’m not scared to fight you now," Lombard can be heard yelling. <<
​

The AP report in question is in the link worded "AP Report". The actual video of the incident taking place, in full, is at the link worded "NewportRI.com".

Obviously the event happened. You can't deny what's clearly visible and audible on video --- yet here's Spicer's attorney threatening just that.

In his campaigning in 2016 Spicer's ex-boss Rump infamously declared he would "open up" libel laws to intimidate journalism and control the flow of information.

​

Perhaps Spicer wishes that could have been a real thing*.


(* "Congress shall make no Law respecting an establishment of Religion, or prohibiting the free Exercise thereof; or abridging the Freedom of Speech, or of the Press; or the Right of the People peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of Grievances".)

Long live the First Amendment.

The AP is globalist propaganda, Goebbels would be proud.

I equate it with a steaming pile of dog doo, and give it the same consideration.

Yyyyeah um.... it's on video.

SEE ya.

Isn't it usually?

 

[Pogo]

"All those other sources" DID NOT just repost the libel as fact.

NOBODY reported the accusation (what you prematurely call "libel" here) as "fact". What they ALL reported was that there was an altercation. Lombard came in, made the accusation.

That's IT. That's the entire story. Reporting that story isn't making the accusation. Just as the AP reporting that Katrina flooded New Orleans doesn't mean the AP made it rain.

What don't summa y'all GET about this? The story is "man comes in, says X". PERIOD.

Again you demonstrate your ignorance. The key word being 'dissemination' do you know what that means? It means they disseminated the video which defamed Spicer without any attempt to verify the claim that spicer had used the n. word.

Again, BULLSHIT. Here's the AP page. There's no video on it. The video is on the NewportRI.com page --- which was not named by the attorney.

So once AGAIN for those with slow reading eyes, Bowe isn't asking for the video to be retracted --- he's asking for the simple report that the incident took place to be retracted.

The AP IS NOT the problem. The Newport (DinkyTown) herald IS. The lawyer has NO ISSUES with all the other media reporting and responding. Because as i showed you --- MOST of the right wing and indie sources ONLY covered it. because the story was sketchy and weird journalism. Because the Newport paper focused on this incident WITHOUT any journalistic integrity to RESEARCH the background of this feud BEFORE they pushed the story nation-wide.

The problem with this is --- the background of this feud, if there is one, is not the story.

Again for the 482nd time, the story is "man walks in, makes accusation". THE END. It's on video, it happened, and there can be no dispute that it happened. What's behind it is an entirely DIFFERENT story, if again it's a story at all. But this one is simply, "man walks in, makes accusation". The actor is Lombard, not Spicer.

Obviously that accusation is hearsay only, they make that clear right from the headline. And obviously the accusee takes issue with it; they make that clear immediately too. And as mentioned way back, some of the news sources, rather than begin the story with "man walks in, makes accusation", chose to begin their coverage with "Spicer's lawyer denies man's claims". Fox News and I think Newsmax did that. And they got that story from ------------ the AP. July 29. Same source. Once again the story is "Lawyer says X". Once again the story is not "incident never happened" -- the story is "Lawyer says X".

Nobody knows if that lawyer's statement is accurate either. Shall we suppress that too?

Aside from this lawyer trying to push his weight around, the ironical observation is that by doing so he MADE it a national story. That threat of leaning on the free press made it a far more important story than "man walks in, makes accusation".

Nomsayin'?

But back to the top here:

The AP IS NOT the problem. The Newport (DinkyTown) herald IS.​

It's Daily News actually, but if this is the case how's come Bowie wants to lean on the AP and never even mentions Newport?

 

[Marion Morrison]

"All those other sources" DID NOT just repost the libel as fact.

NOBODY reported the accusation (what you prematurely call "libel" here) as "fact". What they ALL reported was that there was an altercation. Lombard came in, made the accusation.

That's IT. That's the entire story. Reporting that story isn't making the accusation. Just as the AP reporting that Katrina flooded New Orleans doesn't mean the AP made it rain.

What don't summa y'all GET about this? The story is "man comes in, says X". PERIOD.

Again you demonstrate your ignorance. The key word being 'dissemination' do you know what that means? It means they disseminated the video which defamed Spicer without any attempt to verify the claim that spicer had used the n. word.

Again, BULLSHIT. Here's the AP page. There's no video on it. The video is on the NewportRI.com page --- which was not named by the attorney.

So once AGAIN for those with slow reading eyes, Bowe isn't asking for the video to be retracted --- he's asking for the simple report that the incident took place to be retracted.

The AP IS NOT the problem. The Newport (DinkyTown) herald IS. The lawyer has NO ISSUES with all the other media reporting and responding. Because as i showed you --- MOST of the right wing and indie sources ONLY covered it. because the story was sketchy and weird journalism. Because the Newport paper focused on this incident WITHOUT any journalistic integrity to RESEARCH the background of this feud BEFORE they pushed the story nation-wide.

Here's what likely happened. Like with Allan Dershowitz getting death threats on Martha's Vineyard, ANYONE that associates with any pro-Trump angle gets an UNWELCOME mat laid out for them. DinkyTown heard Spicer was coming to their Blue Safe Space and plotted to blind side his book tour with a 40 year old school yard accusation by a felony crack cocaine user. And they just weren't interested in "journalism" at that point. Maybe now that Spicer has a lawyer -- they're getting more interested in the ACTUAL story..

So the AP didn't take the fake story and run with it, or what?

It looks to me like they did:

As I already said: Propaganda like dog poo.

Black man accuses Sean Spicer of hurling racial slur at him

 

[Pogo]

"All those other sources" DID NOT just repost the libel as fact.

NOBODY reported the accusation (what you prematurely call "libel" here) as "fact". What they ALL reported was that there was an altercation. Lombard came in, made the accusation.

That's IT. That's the entire story. Reporting that story isn't making the accusation. Just as the AP reporting that Katrina flooded New Orleans doesn't mean the AP made it rain.

What don't summa y'all GET about this? The story is "man comes in, says X". PERIOD.

Again you demonstrate your ignorance. The key word being 'dissemination' do you know what that means? It means they disseminated the video which defamed Spicer without any attempt to verify the claim that spicer had used the n. word.

Again, BULLSHIT. Here's the AP page. There's no video on it. The video is on the NewportRI.com page --- which was not named by the attorney.

So once AGAIN for those with slow reading eyes, Bowe isn't asking for the video to be retracted --- he's asking for the simple report that the incident took place to be retracted.

The AP IS NOT the problem. The Newport (DinkyTown) herald IS. The lawyer has NO ISSUES with all the other media reporting and responding. Because as i showed you --- MOST of the right wing and indie sources ONLY covered it. because the story was sketchy and weird journalism. Because the Newport paper focused on this incident WITHOUT any journalistic integrity to RESEARCH the background of this feud BEFORE they pushed the story nation-wide.

Here's what likely happened. Like with Allan Dershowitz getting death threats on Martha's Vineyard, ANYONE that associates with any pro-Trump angle gets an UNWELCOME mat laid out for them. DinkyTown heard Spicer was coming to their Blue Safe Space and plotted to blind side his book tour with a 40 year old school yard accusation by a felony crack cocaine user. And they just weren't interested in "journalism" at that point. Maybe now that Spicer has a lawyer -- they're getting more interested in the ACTUAL story..

So the AP didn't take the fake story and run with it, or what?

It looks to me like they did:

As I already said: Propaganda like dog poo.

Black man accuses Sean Spicer of hurling racial slur at him

Nothing like some wanker waddling in 200 posts on and demanding to be spoon fed from the beginning.

Again, the story isn't 'fake'. It's on video. There ain't no way around that.

Oh and it might be worth pointing out to the tangentially sentient that the AP is not a newspaper; it's a clearinghouse for stories from multitudinous sources. Actual newspapers, broadcast outlets, and news pages can use what they'd like to cover from that pool. Or not. In this case they passed on a story from the local source NewportRI.com. They don''t have reporters.

 

[flacaltenn]

"All those other sources" DID NOT just repost the libel as fact.

NOBODY reported the accusation (what you prematurely call "libel" here) as "fact". What they ALL reported was that there was an altercation. Lombard came in, made the accusation.

That's IT. That's the entire story. Reporting that story isn't making the accusation. Just as the AP reporting that Katrina flooded New Orleans doesn't mean the AP made it rain.

What don't summa y'all GET about this? The story is "man comes in, says X". PERIOD.

Again you demonstrate your ignorance. The key word being 'dissemination' do you know what that means? It means they disseminated the video which defamed Spicer without any attempt to verify the claim that spicer had used the n. word.

Again, BULLSHIT. Here's the AP page. There's no video on it. The video is on the NewportRI.com page --- which was not named by the attorney.

So once AGAIN for those with slow reading eyes, Bowe isn't asking for the video to be retracted --- he's asking for the simple report that the incident took place to be retracted.

The AP IS NOT the problem. The Newport (DinkyTown) herald IS. The lawyer has NO ISSUES with all the other media reporting and responding. Because as i showed you --- MOST of the right wing and indie sources ONLY covered it. because the story was sketchy and weird journalism. Because the Newport paper focused on this incident WITHOUT any journalistic integrity to RESEARCH the background of this feud BEFORE they pushed the story nation-wide.

Here's what likely happened. Like with Allan Dershowitz getting death threats on Martha's Vineyard, ANYONE that associates with any pro-Trump angle gets an UNWELCOME mat laid out for them. DinkyTown heard Spicer was coming to their Blue Safe Space and plotted to blind side his book tour with a 40 year old school yard accusation by a felony crack cocaine user. And they just weren't interested in "journalism" at that point. Maybe now that Spicer has a lawyer -- they're getting more interested in the ACTUAL story..

So the AP didn't take the fake story and run with it, or what?

It looks to me like they did:

As I already said: Propaganda like dog poo.

Black man accuses Sean Spicer of hurling racial slur at him

That's the AP job. To funnel all the weird and sketchy to the public. They don't do investigative reporting. That's not their job. BUT -- they must also suffer from nose dysfunction on occasions like this when they can't smell an obvious hit job.

Most of the other sources that Pogo quoted DID question the veracity of the reporting. That's WHY we have a split "3rd Estate" of American journalism today. And nobody should be disregarding EITHER SIDE of the split in two media establishment at the moment.

 

[Marion Morrison]

NOBODY reported the accusation (what you prematurely call "libel" here) as "fact". What they ALL reported was that there was an altercation. Lombard came in, made the accusation.

That's IT. That's the entire story. Reporting that story isn't making the accusation. Just as the AP reporting that Katrina flooded New Orleans doesn't mean the AP made it rain.

What don't summa y'all GET about this? The story is "man comes in, says X". PERIOD.

Again you demonstrate your ignorance. The key word being 'dissemination' do you know what that means? It means they disseminated the video which defamed Spicer without any attempt to verify the claim that spicer had used the n. word.

Again, BULLSHIT. Here's the AP page. There's no video on it. The video is on the NewportRI.com page --- which was not named by the attorney.

So once AGAIN for those with slow reading eyes, Bowe isn't asking for the video to be retracted --- he's asking for the simple report that the incident took place to be retracted.

The AP IS NOT the problem. The Newport (DinkyTown) herald IS. The lawyer has NO ISSUES with all the other media reporting and responding. Because as i showed you --- MOST of the right wing and indie sources ONLY covered it. because the story was sketchy and weird journalism. Because the Newport paper focused on this incident WITHOUT any journalistic integrity to RESEARCH the background of this feud BEFORE they pushed the story nation-wide.

Here's what likely happened. Like with Allan Dershowitz getting death threats on Martha's Vineyard, ANYONE that associates with any pro-Trump angle gets an UNWELCOME mat laid out for them. DinkyTown heard Spicer was coming to their Blue Safe Space and plotted to blind side his book tour with a 40 year old school yard accusation by a felony crack cocaine user. And they just weren't interested in "journalism" at that point. Maybe now that Spicer has a lawyer -- they're getting more interested in the ACTUAL story..

So the AP didn't take the fake story and run with it, or what?

It looks to me like they did:

As I already said: Propaganda like dog poo.

Black man accuses Sean Spicer of hurling racial slur at him

Nothing like some wanker waddling in 200 posts on and demanding to be spoon fed from the beginning.

Again, the story isn't 'fake'. It's on video. There ain't no way around that.

Oh and it might be worth pointing out to the tangentially sentient that the AP is not a newspaper; it's a clearinghouse for stories from multitudinous sources. Actual newspapers, broadcast outlets, and news pages can use what they'd like to cover from that pool. Or not. In this case they passed on a story from the local source NewportRI.com. They don''t have reporters.

Here's the thing though, Pogo: The AP picks and chooses which stories they run.

Therein lies the rub.

IMO, most of their stories are to cover for/foment acts of war.


For example, they started demonizing Khadafi around 2 weeks before Hillary

assassinated him and his children.

They certainly ran with the "Syrian president gasses his own people" story when

in reality, a Russian bomb hit an ISIS chemical weapons warehouse.

As a result of that, a Syrian airfield had missles rained down on it.

 

[Pogo]

NOBODY reported the accusation (what you prematurely call "libel" here) as "fact". What they ALL reported was that there was an altercation. Lombard came in, made the accusation.

That's IT. That's the entire story. Reporting that story isn't making the accusation. Just as the AP reporting that Katrina flooded New Orleans doesn't mean the AP made it rain.

What don't summa y'all GET about this? The story is "man comes in, says X". PERIOD.

Again you demonstrate your ignorance. The key word being 'dissemination' do you know what that means? It means they disseminated the video which defamed Spicer without any attempt to verify the claim that spicer had used the n. word.

Again, BULLSHIT. Here's the AP page. There's no video on it. The video is on the NewportRI.com page --- which was not named by the attorney.

So once AGAIN for those with slow reading eyes, Bowe isn't asking for the video to be retracted --- he's asking for the simple report that the incident took place to be retracted.

The AP IS NOT the problem. The Newport (DinkyTown) herald IS. The lawyer has NO ISSUES with all the other media reporting and responding. Because as i showed you --- MOST of the right wing and indie sources ONLY covered it. because the story was sketchy and weird journalism. Because the Newport paper focused on this incident WITHOUT any journalistic integrity to RESEARCH the background of this feud BEFORE they pushed the story nation-wide.

Here's what likely happened. Like with Allan Dershowitz getting death threats on Martha's Vineyard, ANYONE that associates with any pro-Trump angle gets an UNWELCOME mat laid out for them. DinkyTown heard Spicer was coming to their Blue Safe Space and plotted to blind side his book tour with a 40 year old school yard accusation by a felony crack cocaine user. And they just weren't interested in "journalism" at that point. Maybe now that Spicer has a lawyer -- they're getting more interested in the ACTUAL story..

So the AP didn't take the fake story and run with it, or what?

It looks to me like they did:

As I already said: Propaganda like dog poo.

Black man accuses Sean Spicer of hurling racial slur at him

That's the AP job. To funnel all the weird and sketchy to the public. They don't do investigative reporting. That's not their job. BUT -- they must also suffer from nose dysfunction on occasions like this when they can't smell an obvious hit job.

Most of the other sources that Pogo quoted DID question the veracity of the reporting. That's WHY we have a split "3rd Estate" of American journalism today. And nobody should be disregarding EITHER SIDE of the split in two media establishment at the moment.

Just to hammer this in one more time --- there isn't any question about the veracity. It's on video. You can't contend that what's clearly on video did not happen. And that's what Bowie was demanding.

 

[Pogo]

Again you demonstrate your ignorance. The key word being 'dissemination' do you know what that means? It means they disseminated the video which defamed Spicer without any attempt to verify the claim that spicer had used the n. word.

Again, BULLSHIT. Here's the AP page. There's no video on it. The video is on the NewportRI.com page --- which was not named by the attorney.

So once AGAIN for those with slow reading eyes, Bowe isn't asking for the video to be retracted --- he's asking for the simple report that the incident took place to be retracted.

The AP IS NOT the problem. The Newport (DinkyTown) herald IS. The lawyer has NO ISSUES with all the other media reporting and responding. Because as i showed you --- MOST of the right wing and indie sources ONLY covered it. because the story was sketchy and weird journalism. Because the Newport paper focused on this incident WITHOUT any journalistic integrity to RESEARCH the background of this feud BEFORE they pushed the story nation-wide.

Here's what likely happened. Like with Allan Dershowitz getting death threats on Martha's Vineyard, ANYONE that associates with any pro-Trump angle gets an UNWELCOME mat laid out for them. DinkyTown heard Spicer was coming to their Blue Safe Space and plotted to blind side his book tour with a 40 year old school yard accusation by a felony crack cocaine user. And they just weren't interested in "journalism" at that point. Maybe now that Spicer has a lawyer -- they're getting more interested in the ACTUAL story..

So the AP didn't take the fake story and run with it, or what?

It looks to me like they did:

As I already said: Propaganda like dog poo.

Black man accuses Sean Spicer of hurling racial slur at him

Nothing like some wanker waddling in 200 posts on and demanding to be spoon fed from the beginning.

Again, the story isn't 'fake'. It's on video. There ain't no way around that.

Oh and it might be worth pointing out to the tangentially sentient that the AP is not a newspaper; it's a clearinghouse for stories from multitudinous sources. Actual newspapers, broadcast outlets, and news pages can use what they'd like to cover from that pool. Or not. In this case they passed on a story from the local source NewportRI.com. They don''t have reporters.

Here's the thing though, Pogo: The AP picks and chooses which stories they run.

Therein lies the rub.

Once AGAIN the AP doesn't "run" stories. They pool them. And if you've got a newspaper ---- hang on, I just threw up in my mouth a bit --- you can choose one story from column A and one from column B. And then YOU run them.

Again to repeat the example in this case, some news outlets chose to begin their coverage with "man accuses Spicer". Others chose to begin theirs with "Spicer's lawyer denies accusations". BOTH of them came from the AP. You take what you consider appropriate for your channel.

Now the lawyer in this case (Bowie) wanted the AP to 'retract' the first story -- but not the second one. He's trying to control the news. And that's the whole thread in a nutshell. And I know how much you like nuts.

 

[flacaltenn]

Again you demonstrate your ignorance. The key word being 'dissemination' do you know what that means? It means they disseminated the video which defamed Spicer without any attempt to verify the claim that spicer had used the n. word.

Again, BULLSHIT. Here's the AP page. There's no video on it. The video is on the NewportRI.com page --- which was not named by the attorney.

So once AGAIN for those with slow reading eyes, Bowe isn't asking for the video to be retracted --- he's asking for the simple report that the incident took place to be retracted.

The AP IS NOT the problem. The Newport (DinkyTown) herald IS. The lawyer has NO ISSUES with all the other media reporting and responding. Because as i showed you --- MOST of the right wing and indie sources ONLY covered it. because the story was sketchy and weird journalism. Because the Newport paper focused on this incident WITHOUT any journalistic integrity to RESEARCH the background of this feud BEFORE they pushed the story nation-wide.

Here's what likely happened. Like with Allan Dershowitz getting death threats on Martha's Vineyard, ANYONE that associates with any pro-Trump angle gets an UNWELCOME mat laid out for them. DinkyTown heard Spicer was coming to their Blue Safe Space and plotted to blind side his book tour with a 40 year old school yard accusation by a felony crack cocaine user. And they just weren't interested in "journalism" at that point. Maybe now that Spicer has a lawyer -- they're getting more interested in the ACTUAL story..

So the AP didn't take the fake story and run with it, or what?

It looks to me like they did:

As I already said: Propaganda like dog poo.

Black man accuses Sean Spicer of hurling racial slur at him

That's the AP job. To funnel all the weird and sketchy to the public. They don't do investigative reporting. That's not their job. BUT -- they must also suffer from nose dysfunction on occasions like this when they can't smell an obvious hit job.

Most of the other sources that Pogo quoted DID question the veracity of the reporting. That's WHY we have a split "3rd Estate" of American journalism today. And nobody should be disregarding EITHER SIDE of the split in two media establishment at the moment.

Just to hammer this in one more time --- there isn't any question about the veracity. It's on video. You can't contend that what's clearly on video did not happen. And that's what Bowie was demanding.

That's not the issue. What's on video is also a lot of reality TV shows, staged wrestling, and bad humor. Just because it HAPPENED does not make it news. And the Newport paper showed NO INTEREST in their story to PROVIDE any journalism to go with it. That video is in the same class of McDonalds' customer beat-downs, and stupid criminal acts. There is NO veracity to a raw video without context. Hardly ever. You'll never convince people about ANY fact with a mere confrontation like that. And it SHOULD NOT BE PROMOTED as news unless the reporters PROVIDE some context.

Seems they PURPOSELY left out ALL known context in the initial reporting. Because other sources could figure out a LOT of context within 24 hours of it happening.

 

[Pogo]

Again, BULLSHIT. Here's the AP page. There's no video on it. The video is on the NewportRI.com page --- which was not named by the attorney.

So once AGAIN for those with slow reading eyes, Bowe isn't asking for the video to be retracted --- he's asking for the simple report that the incident took place to be retracted.

The AP IS NOT the problem. The Newport (DinkyTown) herald IS. The lawyer has NO ISSUES with all the other media reporting and responding. Because as i showed you --- MOST of the right wing and indie sources ONLY covered it. because the story was sketchy and weird journalism. Because the Newport paper focused on this incident WITHOUT any journalistic integrity to RESEARCH the background of this feud BEFORE they pushed the story nation-wide.

Here's what likely happened. Like with Allan Dershowitz getting death threats on Martha's Vineyard, ANYONE that associates with any pro-Trump angle gets an UNWELCOME mat laid out for them. DinkyTown heard Spicer was coming to their Blue Safe Space and plotted to blind side his book tour with a 40 year old school yard accusation by a felony crack cocaine user. And they just weren't interested in "journalism" at that point. Maybe now that Spicer has a lawyer -- they're getting more interested in the ACTUAL story..

So the AP didn't take the fake story and run with it, or what?

It looks to me like they did:

As I already said: Propaganda like dog poo.

Black man accuses Sean Spicer of hurling racial slur at him

That's the AP job. To funnel all the weird and sketchy to the public. They don't do investigative reporting. That's not their job. BUT -- they must also suffer from nose dysfunction on occasions like this when they can't smell an obvious hit job.

Most of the other sources that Pogo quoted DID question the veracity of the reporting. That's WHY we have a split "3rd Estate" of American journalism today. And nobody should be disregarding EITHER SIDE of the split in two media establishment at the moment.

Just to hammer this in one more time --- there isn't any question about the veracity. It's on video. You can't contend that what's clearly on video did not happen. And that's what Bowie was demanding.

That's not the issue. What's on video is also a lot of reality TV shows, staged wrestling, and bad humor. Just because it HAPPENED does not make it news.

Agree. But it does make it true. Whether it qualifies as "news" would be a value judgment. And again I submit that Bowie with his heavyhanded overreaction is the guy who made it into "news". That's the only reason I ever put this thread here in the first place.

So if the incident is true --- and it is, as it's on video --- who has the right to suppress it?

That's the entire crux of the matter here.

And the Newport paper showed NO INTEREST in their story to PROVIDE any journalism to go with it. That video is in the same class of McDonalds' customer beat-downs, and stupid criminal acts. There is NO veracity to a raw video without context. Hardly ever. You'll never convince people about ANY fact with a mere confrontation like that. And it SHOULD NOT BE PROMOTED as news unless the reporters PROVIDE some context.

All the context is there, though there isn't much. WHO did WHAT, WHEN and WHERE did they do it. All covered, with reactions from the receiving side. No conclusions were made about anybody's veracity of accusing or denying; that isn't the story. The story is simply that the man walked in and said what he said, end of said story. It ain't their job to then go back and find out if what he accused is true or not; they did identify who the man was, and on followup interviewed third parties (as I posted) to confirm or deny. But in the moment the story is "man walks in, says X". There's no point in making it more complex than that, since that's all that was claimed -- "man walks in, says X". No further claim is laid beyond that.

Now had some news outlet titled their story "Spicer hurled racial slur at prep school", that would be making an accusation; it would be assuming facts not in evidence. Simply reporting that some guy SAID that --- isn't.

I get the distinct impression that several wags here can't discern the difference between "X happened" and "man claims X happened".

 

[MacTheKnife]

The AP IS NOT the problem. The Newport (DinkyTown) herald IS. The lawyer has NO ISSUES with all the other media reporting and responding. Because as i showed you --- MOST of the right wing and indie sources ONLY covered it. because the story was sketchy and weird journalism. Because the Newport paper focused on this incident WITHOUT any journalistic integrity to RESEARCH the background of this feud BEFORE they pushed the story nation-wide.

Here's what likely happened. Like with Allan Dershowitz getting death threats on Martha's Vineyard, ANYONE that associates with any pro-Trump angle gets an UNWELCOME mat laid out for them. DinkyTown heard Spicer was coming to their Blue Safe Space and plotted to blind side his book tour with a 40 year old school yard accusation by a felony crack cocaine user. And they just weren't interested in "journalism" at that point. Maybe now that Spicer has a lawyer -- they're getting more interested in the ACTUAL story..

So the AP didn't take the fake story and run with it, or what?

It looks to me like they did:

As I already said: Propaganda like dog poo.

Black man accuses Sean Spicer of hurling racial slur at him

That's the AP job. To funnel all the weird and sketchy to the public. They don't do investigative reporting. That's not their job. BUT -- they must also suffer from nose dysfunction on occasions like this when they can't smell an obvious hit job.

Most of the other sources that Pogo quoted DID question the veracity of the reporting. That's WHY we have a split "3rd Estate" of American journalism today. And nobody should be disregarding EITHER SIDE of the split in two media establishment at the moment.

Just to hammer this in one more time --- there isn't any question about the veracity. It's on video. You can't contend that what's clearly on video did not happen. And that's what Bowie was demanding.

That's not the issue. What's on video is also a lot of reality TV shows, staged wrestling, and bad humor. Just because it HAPPENED does not make it news.

Agree. But it does make it true. Whether it qualifies as "news" would be a value judgment. And again I submit that Bowie with his heavyhanded overreaction is the guy who made it into "news". That's the only reason I ever put this thread here in the first place.

So if the incident is true --- and it is, as it's on video --- who has the right to suppress it?

That's the entire crux of the matter here.

And the Newport paper showed NO INTEREST in their story to PROVIDE any journalism to go with it. That video is in the same class of McDonalds' customer beat-downs, and stupid criminal acts. There is NO veracity to a raw video without context. Hardly ever. You'll never convince people about ANY fact with a mere confrontation like that. And it SHOULD NOT BE PROMOTED as news unless the reporters PROVIDE some context.

All the context is there, though there isn't much. WHO did WHAT, WHEN and WHERE did they do it. All covered, with reactions from the receiving side. No conclusions were made about anybody's veracity of accusing or denying; that isn't the story. The story is simply that the man walked in and said what he said, end of said story. It ain't their job to then go back and find out if what he accused is true or not; they did identify who the man was, and on followup interviewed third parties (as I posted) to confirm or deny. But in the moment the story is "man walks in, says X". There's no point in making it more complex than that, since that's all that was claimed -- "man walks in, says X". No further claim is laid beyond that.

Now had some news outlet titled their story "Spicer hurled racial slur at prep school", that would be making an accusation; it would be assuming facts not in evidence. Simply reporting that some guy SAID that --- isn't.

I get the distinct impression that several wags here can't discern the difference between "X happened" and "man claims X happened".

First of all what you are ignoring is the Journalism code of ethics.....Journalism ethics and standards - Wikipedia

Wherein it states:
'While various existing codes have some differences, most share common elements including the principles of truthfulness, accuracy, objectivity, impartiality, fairness, and public accountability, as these apply to the acquisition of newsworthy information and its subsequent dissemination to the public.

Like many broader ethical systems, journalism ethics include the principle of "limitation of harm". This often involves the withholding of certain details from reports such as the names of minor children, crime victims' names or information not materially related to particular news reports release of which might, for example, harm someone's reputation.'

There is nothing, absolutely nothing that can harm someone's reputation (especially someone involved in politics)as to be accused of using the N-word. That cannot be over-emphasized. Yet you seem unable to wrap your head around that.

My question to you is why? It is not complicated and there is no reason anyone of just common intelligence cannot understand that. Yet, you consistently want to either ignore that or deny it.

Also you consistently claim that it is not the AP's fault the video was dissiminated around the world...you want to only blame the Hartford Connecticut source. Now they may be the most culpable of all but when a huge media outlet takes a video that will undoubtedly harm someone's reputation(Spicer) and helps to dissiminate it all over the land...they are also culpable, maybe even more so because hey have such a wide audience. So again the key words here being 'dissimination' and hurtful material.

You also mentioned in one of your posts that the AP checked the veracity of the story....the story being a black man accusing Spicer of using the N-word. They absolutely failed to try and research whether there was any truth to the claim or even any probability of the claim. They obviously were so eager to dissiminate the claim of Spicer using the n-word they would not be slowed down or inhibitied by checking to see if there was any truth to it.

You want to twist and turn it into an event of Spicer trying to muzzle a free press. Absolutely outrageous! Spicer's only problem with the video was that it included the segment where the black man made the claim he had used the n-word.

Then you post long posts full of irrelevant garbage attempting to camouflage the hurtful nature of the story or the claim made that Spicer used the N word.

You even had the audaicity to post the AP page with a link that was directly linked to the video...and you made the specious claim they were just linking to the source of the story The Newport Daily News.

Obviously you did not even know that the AP link brought up the video.

The AP report, published Saturday, documented an incident at Spicer’s book signing in Middletown, R.I., on Friday during which a black man claiming to be a former classmate of Spicer’s at Portsmouth Abbey School accused Spicer of using a racial slur.

You posted the AP page in post # l64 but since i brought your attention to it....you deleted it. That means you understood you made a mistake by posting the AP Page. You are simply trying to cover your tracks and stubbornly refuse to admit the AP, whilst not the only bad guy in this controversy it is the biggest bad guy due to their huge organization with the ability to spread any item all over the world if they so desire. And, obviously they did. If the AP had not picked up on the Newport daily news item...it would never have been heard of most likely...certainly not to the extent that it has been.

Here is the AP report you posted then deleted. Black man accuses Sean Spicer of hurling racial slur at him

Here is the link included in the AP report that linkes directly to the Video....A Newport Daily News video

Yet, you claim the AP was merely showing the source of the video....yes they showed the source but at the same time they helped dissiminate the video. That cannot be honestly denied.

I am a tad late with this post because for some 'mysterious' reason I was cut off last night during the final pages of the thread. I was not allow to quote or reply. hmmmmmmm I wonder why...just a glitch maybe? perhaps?