something I have not heard anyone speak on in RE Trump Raid

[Zincwarrior]

Why would he hide it? The FBI knew the room where it was stored because they previously asked him to put a lock on it, dumbass!

Which means he knowingly lied when he said he had given them up.

 

[The Duke]

Which means he knowingly lied when he said he had given them up.

Looks to me like it means he was cooperating with them.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Looks to me like it means he was cooperating with them.

If he was cooperating he wouldn't have them.

 

[dblack]

And there is absolutely NOTHING the democrats won't do towards that effort.

There's lots of things they won't do. In particular, they won't modify their approach so that they're not inspiring so much hatred.

Seriously, If Democrats cared as much about the health of the nation, as they do their ridiculous social engineering projects, they'd beat Trump in a landslide. All they have to do to beat him is stop pissing so many people off.

If I was a Democrat, in the wake of Trump's victory over Clinton, I'd be wondering what in the **** my party was doing so wrong that they lost to the crazy train. But are they rethinking things? Of course not. They're doubling down on the we-know-betterism, the loony woke nonsense, the persistent efforts to offer up more socialism as the solution to every problem. And they'll lose again.

 

[The Duke]

If he was cooperating he wouldn't have them.

Because presidents never do homework, right?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Which means he knowingly lied when he said he had given them up.

When did he say that?

 

[Rigby5]

He had an attorney representing him there. She is the one that received the search warrant. She was interviewed on New Nation, giving confirmation of her being there, that she received the search warrant that day, that the security cameras were left on the wholes time, (so we know there wasn't claimed funny business, or they would have had the video blasting across the internet), that they have had the receipt and inventory list of exactly what was taken by the 30 plain clothes agents, before they left the site and the Trump had all of this, Monday, but chose not to release any of it, while the rumor flew. The hot young lawyer was OK. The interviewer was absolutely great, pressing her on everything she did not volunteer or tried to be evasive on.

Cameras protect nothing because they typically are aimed at the periphery, in order store info on any break in attempt.
No one puts security cameras watching over the valuable contents.

 

[Rigby5]

If he was cooperating he wouldn't have them.

He was not there, so likely did not know what he had or not?

 

[Chillicothe]

Because presidents never do homework, right?

Sure they do.
Or they should.
We hope they do.
However, nearly two years after being fired....there was no need for our proprietary lesson plans to be in his possession.

As I said before, the MAGA-Qult on this venue is trying way way too hard to excuse, deny, and deflect, the fact that DonT illegally removed some of the nation's documents from government control and oversight, and then resisted returning them despite meetings with his lawyers and government officials, and denied he had them even when subpoenaed to disgorge them. If it wasn't for a whistle-blower who had some idea on the importance of the docs, and their location......well, DonT may have gotten away with the theft of Top Secret documents.

What's gonna be the end result?
Hell, I don't know. DonT, after all, commands the devotion of a hard-core 40'sh million voters. THAT is power, and he is not shy or subtle in wielding it. Is it right? Not in the crude manner he does it. Having political power would not, in a better world, allow DonT to commit illegal acts, lie to America about 'em.....and then have waves of loyalists and sycophants attempting to defend him.

But it is what it is.
And DonT deserves all the scrutiny he is getting. He long ago lost claim to America's oft-recognized sense of forgiveness, of tolerance, of an umpire's 'gimme's'. It's tough love time for DonT.

He has no one to blame but himself. Serial adultery against three wives. Multiple bankruptcies that damaged and crippled many small contractors, vendors, and tradesmen; caught cheating with fake charities; caught ripping off retirees with a fake 'University', 30,000+ documented falsehoods. Not to mention the current armada of prosecutors investigating his scheming to reject our Constitutional transfer of power.

DonT is reaping what he has sown.

Other than that I'm cool with him.

 

[SweetTea]

Glued to what, FOX news? Yes, three lawyers present. Trump watched the security camaras as the raid was conducted. Numerous staff were there. Trump could have released the search warrant on Monday. Instead, he let the Justice department open it up on Friday evening. LOL, I bet you don't get the significance of that. Ever hear of the Friday evening news dump?

Here is the thing. Trump's defense here is beyond stupid. First, well he claims he had a standing order to declassify all documents when he took them home to work. But then he claims the FBI planted documents. Tell me, how did he declassify documents that the FBI planted? Does he have a magic ball?

And this is not about Trump taking home classified documents. It is about possible violation of three federal statutes,

18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

www.law.cornell.edu

That statue prohibits copying, transmitting, or having unauthorized possession of national security material. That includes removing it from its proper place of custody,

18 U.S. Code § 1519 - Destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in Federal investigations and bankruptcy

www.law.cornell.edu

This is the big one. It bars the destruction or falsification of any public document in order to impede, obstruct, or influence governmental matters or investigations. It carries a 20 year maximum sentence.

18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally

www.law.cornell.edu

This statue prohibits the removal, mutilation, obliteration, or destruction of any public property. Three year prison sentence and banishment of serving in public office.

Now I know you won't bother to read those federal statutes. Hell, you probably won't even hit the links. But there is not a mention of classified information in any of them. And there is no question Trump has violated all three. The first one, look, Trump can take information home with him, when he is president. But he can't have possession of public property when he is no longer president. While the second one is not as documented, if it is shown that Trump took those document to impede federal investigations, which he knew were coming, he will die at Butner, like Maldoff. Although I am leaning toward Fort Dix. But the third one, that is a given. We already have numerous reports from former staff members detailing how Trump ripped documents up and they salvaged them out of the trash can and tried to piece them back together.

Look, like pretty much everything else in Trump's life, he took leadership of this country and took a big old shit on all of us. That is what he does, rather it is a company, a steak, or a nation. When he gets control, he turns it to shit.

They don’t care about ANY of this. They just don’t want him to run in 2024. The Democrats MUST retain their control and will do anything to ensure that happens. Just look at the hoops they jumped through and lies they told while Trump was President. The fact that many STILL don’t see this is very telling as to the level of indoctrination of those that support the Democratic Party.

 

[surada]

Search Warrant Requirements - FindLaw

FindLaw's search and seizure section details the Fourth Amendment's search warrant rules and other topics related to searches and seizures.

www.findlaw.com

OK, maybe someone has brought this up, but I myself did not hear of it:

The Section of the 4th Amendment that addresses search and seizure mentions that a warrant must be obtained if it is to be a search of a place where the person had a reasonable expectation of privacy.

Obviously, one's home fits that description. A man's home is his castle.

It seems that if the govt can raid your home while you are gone with no attorney representing you allowed in to see what is done.. Sorry, but that looks like an open and SHUT case. There was no emergency. They got the warrant on Friday and didn't execute it until Monday, so there goes the state's charges of "urgency"

That's urgency.

 

[Flash]

Search Warrant Requirements - FindLaw

FindLaw's search and seizure section details the Fourth Amendment's search warrant rules and other topics related to searches and seizures.

www.findlaw.com

OK, maybe someone has brought this up, but I myself did not hear of it:

The Section of the 4th Amendment that addresses search and seizure mentions that a warrant must be obtained if it is to be a search of a place where the person had a reasonable expectation of privacy.

Obviously, one's home fits that description. A man's home is his castle.

It seems that if the govt can raid your home while you are gone with no attorney representing you allowed in to see what is done.. Sorry, but that looks like an open and SHUT case. There was no emergency. They got the warrant on Friday and didn't execute it until Monday, so there goes the state's charges of "urgency"

There were three things wrong with the raid.

1. It was politically motivated. It was the filthy Biden Administration using the force of government to curtail political opposition. Despicable!

2. The Judge was shopped to be a Democrat political hack. He did a political thing rather than a legal thing.

3. The FBI has become the thug operatives for the filthy corrupt Democrat Party. They violated their oath to the Constitution. Not only on this but other things. Shame!

 

[Chillicothe]

There were three things wrong with the raid.

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Which were, according to the poster 'Flash' these:
"1. It was politically motivated. It was the filthy Biden Administration using the force of government to curtail political opposition. Despicable!
2. The Judge was shopped to be a Democrat political hack. He did a political thing rather than a legal thing.
3. The FBI has become the thug operatives for the filthy corrupt Democrat Party. They violated their oath to the Constitution. Not only on this but other things. Shame!"

----------------------------------------------------

Yadda, yadda, yadda.
I mean no disrespect by that, poster Flash, but......but you gotta prove what your mouth claims.
It works that way in the adult world. I'm mildly convince you should know that.

• "Politically motivated"? Prove it. Give the forum credible, well-sourced proof of such.
• "The judge was shopped to be a Democratic hack".........Prove it. Give the forum credible well-sourced proof of such.
• "(the FBI)..."They violated their oath to the Constitution". Prove it. Show us what you got, Flash. Can you back up your claim, or is it merely cheap uninformed slander?

I ain't trying to put your avatar on the spot. Rather, am encouraging you, and others, to either put up or shut up. These wild unsubstantiated claims so often seen on social media are tearing at the fabric of our sense of community, our sense of nation-hood.

Any jackass can sit at a keyboard and spout off corrosive accusations against our governance.....our governance at any level, be it the township clerk, the tax assessor, the mayor, the POTUS. But so much of it is merely a keyboard enema. There is no real experience underpinning the opinionizing. No real world experience in dealing with any of the people they so recklessly slander. It is merely venting of vague grievances by folks who are unhappy with the life they made for their own families.

So, in other words, poster Flash.....my poor avatar is calling out your apparently irresponsible avatar.
Unless, of course, you can prove what you claim.
If you cannot, well then.......well then, your claims, your behavior, reflect upon all Trump supporters. Your avatar makes them look bad. Your behavior simply validates the clichéd claim that Trump supporters are low information, ne'er-do-wells filled with grievance and anger arising from their own failures in life.

Is that the impression you want to lay upon your fellow Trump supporters? A bunch of losers and dead-enders?

Saddle up, Slim. Show us what you got. Prove your claims.

 

[Curried Goats]

There were three things wrong with the raid.

1. It was politically motivated. It was the filthy Biden Administration using the force of government to curtail political opposition. Despicable!

2. The Judge was shopped to be a Democrat political hack. He did a political thing rather than a legal thing.

3. The FBI has become the thug operatives for the filthy corrupt Democrat Party. They violated their oath to the Constitution. Not only on this but other things. Shame!

Keep crying those delightful tears.

 

[berg80]

It seems that if the govt can raid your home while you are gone with no attorney representing you allowed in to see what is done

Trump lawyer who was at Mar-a-Lago for FBI search describes the scene

Lindsey Halligan, a Florida-based attorney for Trump, was at Mar-a-Lago and spoke with CBS News about the FBI search.

www.cbsnews.com

Next.

 

[Flash]

Which were, according to the poster 'Flash' these:
"1. It was politically motivated. It was the filthy Biden Administration using the force of government to curtail political opposition. Despicable!
2. The Judge was shopped to be a Democrat political hack. He did a political thing rather than a legal thing.
3. The FBI has become the thug operatives for the filthy corrupt Democrat Party. They violated their oath to the Constitution. Not only on this but other things. Shame!"

----------------------------------------------------

Yadda, yadda, yadda.
I mean no disrespect by that, poster Flash, but......but you gotta prove what your mouth claims.
It works that way in the adult world. I'm mildly convince you should know that.

• "Politically motivated"? Prove it. Give the forum credible, well-sourced proof of such.
• "The judge was shopped to be a Democratic hack".........Prove it. Give the forum credible well-sourced proof of such.
• "(the FBI)..."They violated their oath to the Constitution". Prove it. Show us what you got, Flash. Can you back up your claim, or is it merely cheap uninformed slander?

I ain't trying to put your avatar on the spot. Rather, am encouraging you, and others, to either put up or shut up. These wild unsubstantiated claims so often seen on social media are tearing at the fabric of our sense of community, our sense of nation-hood.

Any jackass can sit at a keyboard and spout off corrosive accusations against our governance.....our governance at any level, be it the township clerk, the tax assessor, the mayor, the POTUS. But so much of it is merely a keyboard enema. There is no real experience underpinning the opinionizing. No real world experience in dealing with any of the people they so recklessly slander. It is merely venting of vague grievances by folks who are unhappy with the life they made for their own families.

So, in other words, poster Flash.....my poor avatar is calling out your apparently irresponsible avatar.
Unless, of course, you can prove what you claim.
If you cannot, well then.......well then, your claims, your behavior, reflect upon all Trump supporters. Your avatar makes them look bad. Your behavior simply validates the clichéd claim that Trump supporters are low information, ne'er-do-wells filled with grievance and anger arising from their own failures in life.

Is that the impression you want to lay upon your fellow Trump supporters? A bunch of losers and dead-enders?

Saddle up, Slim. Show us what you got. Prove your claims.

Denial in not a river in Egypt, Moon Bat.

Whenever you idiot Moon Bats are faced with your corruption and failure you immediately go into you denial mode.

President Potatohead's and the rest of you idiot TDS afflicted dipshits political hatred of Trump is well known and if you don't believe it then you are dumber than a door knob.

Potatohead was part of The Worthless Negro's administration that attacked political opponents by using the power of the IRS and now Potatoahead is using the Justice Department and FBI and has plans to expand it to the IRS.

We all know that the filthy ass Judge was a Potatohead appointed judge who had contributed to Crooked Hillary, The Worthless Negro and Potatohead himself so duh.

The FBI record of being an instrument of the filthy Left goes back to Ruby Ridge and Waco. They even participate in the attempted coup of a sitting President with that Russia dishonesty. They went after the Patriots that protested against Potatohead's blatant stolen election. They don't have a clue what "defend against enemies foreign and domestic" really means because they have become the thugs for the domestic enemies. They are the Gestapo for the filthy Democrat Nazi Party.

 

[struth]

There was an emergency in that the subpoena wasn't abided by and responded to completely. It was of the greatest urgency.

hahah so urgent they waited 3 days

 

[Frankeneinstein]

As I said before, the MAGA-Qult on this venue is trying way way too hard to excuse,

there's that "trys too hard" thing you constantly refer to! is that some kind of preamble to the liberal bill of rights/constitution? why else would it be used so liberally in such a pejorative manner so often?

Yadda, yadda, yadda.
I mean no disrespect by that, poster Flash,

why doesn't his avatar deserve and get the same respect from you chills?

but......but you gotta prove what your mouth claims.
It works that way in the adult world.

Is this what happens when the hearings fall flat on their face? ya turn to porn!

Rather, am encouraging you, and others, to either put up or shut up.

sounds like you're tired of roadrunners chills, why not merge with another poster here and become the protege "CHILL E. COYOTE"

how many years has it been chasing down "THE DON" now chills?
Out of curiosity, what is it in terms of proof that you are pretending you want? what is it that would make you see things more clearly?

So, in other words, poster Flash.....my poor avatar is calling out your apparently irresponsible avatar.

cracks me up every time chilly...is this like a double date invite or something?

 

[The Duke]

Sure they do.
Or they should.
We hope they do.
However, nearly two years after being fired....there was no need for our proprietary lesson plans to be in his possession.

As I said before, the MAGA-Qult on this venue is trying way way too hard to excuse, deny, and deflect, the fact that DonT illegally removed some of the nation's documents from government control and oversight, and then resisted returning them despite meetings with his lawyers and government officials, and denied he had them even when subpoenaed to disgorge them. If it wasn't for a whistle-blower who had some idea on the importance of the docs, and their location......well, DonT may have gotten away with the theft of Top Secret documents.

What's gonna be the end result?
Hell, I don't know. DonT, after all, commands the devotion of a hard-core 40'sh million voters. THAT is power, and he is not shy or subtle in wielding it. Is it right? Not in the crude manner he does it. Having political power would not, in a better world, allow DonT to commit illegal acts, lie to America about 'em.....and then have waves of loyalists and sycophants attempting to defend him.

But it is what it is.
And DonT deserves all the scrutiny he is getting. He long ago lost claim to America's oft-recognized sense of forgiveness, of tolerance, of an umpire's 'gimme's'. It's tough love time for DonT.

He has no one to blame but himself. Serial adultery against three wives. Multiple bankruptcies that damaged and crippled many small contractors, vendors, and tradesmen; caught cheating with fake charities; caught ripping off retirees with a fake 'University', 30,000+ documented falsehoods. Not to mention the current armada of prosecutors investigating his scheming to reject our Constitutional transfer of power.

DonT is reaping what he has sown.

Other than that I'm cool with him.

The fact that every other president has done the same thing and no FBI cooked up some shit to raid their home seems to escape you.
No Sir, this is a weaponized FBI playing partisan politics a la Soviet Russia or Nazi Germany. The thing is, many of us have seen this thing before or learned about it by reading.

 

[Chillicothe]

The fact that every other president has done the same thing and no FBI cooked up some shit to raid their home seems to escape you.

I'm not so sure.
I'm still processing the information that Don Trump told the government that he had given up the classified documents......but the whistle-blower knew otherwise. And revealed that to the rightful authorities.
Still processing the information that Don Trump was served with a subpoena for the documents.....and still did not give 'em up.

So the cake bakes, poster Duke.
So patience, Grasshopper. This tale is still being told.

IMHO