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Why Would Trump Hold Onto Anything From His Presidency That Would Give ANYONE Grounds to Invade His Private Space With a Search Warrant?

NewsVine_Mariyam

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Maybe I'm just being naive but why give people LEGAL grounds to come after you?

That's like leaving a job, especially if involuntarily and deciding to keep one of the cell phones that you've been using for both work and personal calls and then refusing or not wanting to turn it over when asked for it. I understand that having your own personal items mixed in with your work items presents a dilemma but you don't deal with it by lying about what you're holding and then not turning over everything that is asked for.

Unless I'm missing something, does Trump or anyone else believe he's entitled to keep classified, top secret documents at his home? Why would he not turn these items over? Just general principle?

Former President Trump is asking a federal court to appoint a special master to review the documents the FBI seized from Mar-a-Lago this month during a court-authorized search.​
In a motion filed in federal court in Florida, Trump also is seeking to prevent the government from further reviewing the documents that were taken until a special master is appointed, and he wants the government to provide more details on items that were taken during the search.​
The legal action is the first from Trump's attorneys since FBI agents executed a search warrant at Mar-a-Lago two weeks ago.​
"Law enforcement is a shield that protects Americans. It cannot be used as a weapon for political purposes," the filing says. "Therefore, we seek judicial assistance in the aftermath of an unprecedented and unnecessary raid on President Trump's home at Mar-a-Lago."​
Trump's attorneys argue that the search raises Fourth Amendment concerns and that the warrant used was overly broad. They also say the department took the unprecedented step of searching the former president's home despite what Trump's attorneys say was his voluntary assistance with investigators over several months.​
In a statement, Justice Department spokesman Anthony Coley reiterated that the search warrant at Mar-a-Lago was "authorized by a federal court upon the required finding of probable cause."​
The department is aware of Trump's motion, he said, and will file its response in court.​
Last Friday, the judge in the case, U.S. Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart, gave the Justice Department one week to provide a redacted copy of the affidavit used to justify the unprecedented search of Trump's residence. Multiple media organizations had asked the judge to unseal all documents related to the search, notably the affidavit laying out the reasoning and research. At a hearing last Thursday, the organizations said they do not want to release any information that would have a chilling effect on current or future witnesses, endanger people involved in the probe or compromise the investigation.​
Read the full warrant documents from FBI search of Trump's Mar-a-Lago home

The Justice Department argued at the hearing that redacting the affidavit would leave no information of substance to release and also noted that the search itself and release of the warrant last week had created a volatile situation where FBI agents have already received death threats.​
The Justice Department must give Reinhart their proposed redacted version by Thursday at noon. The judge has not said what, if anything, he will ultimately order made public.​


While the Justice Department asked the court to unseal the warrant, citing intense public interest, it has argued strongly against releasing the affidavit, saying doing so could compromise its investigation, other probes, the possibility of future witness cooperation and the safety of agents and individuals named in the affidavit.​
The warrant shows that FBI agents retrieved documents labeled classified, secret, top secret and confidential as well potential presidential records. It also reveals that the Justice Department is investigating the potential violation of three federal statutes, including the Espionage Act and obstruction of justice.​
The genesis of the investigation comes from an unlikely source: the National Archives. This winter the agency, in charge of cataloguing and storing important government documents, retrieved 15 boxes of key presidential records that it said Trump was improperly and possibly illegally keeping at home.​
 

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It doesn't matter... the dems and the swamp was always going to go after Trump no matter what he did or doesn't do... they are relentless in pursuit of him...
 

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Maybe I'm just being naive but why give people LEGAL grounds to come after you?
The criminal mind is an amazing wonder in psychology.

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Trump University graduate; class of 2003.

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Maybe I'm just being naive but why give people LEGAL grounds to come after you?

That's like leaving a job, especially if involuntarily and deciding to keep one of the cell phones that you've been using for both work and personal calls and then refusing or not wanting to turn it over when asked for it. I understand that having your own personal items mixed in with your work items presents a dilemma but you don't deal with it by lying about what you're holding and then not turning over everything that is asked for.

Unless I'm missing something, does Trump or anyone else believe he's entitled to keep classified, top secret documents at his home? Why would he not turn these items over? Just general principle?

Former President Trump is asking a federal court to appoint a special master to review the documents the FBI seized from Mar-a-Lago this month during a court-authorized search.​
In a motion filed in federal court in Florida, Trump also is seeking to prevent the government from further reviewing the documents that were taken until a special master is appointed, and he wants the government to provide more details on items that were taken during the search.​
The legal action is the first from Trump's attorneys since FBI agents executed a search warrant at Mar-a-Lago two weeks ago.​
"Law enforcement is a shield that protects Americans. It cannot be used as a weapon for political purposes," the filing says. "Therefore, we seek judicial assistance in the aftermath of an unprecedented and unnecessary raid on President Trump's home at Mar-a-Lago."​
Trump's attorneys argue that the search raises Fourth Amendment concerns and that the warrant used was overly broad. They also say the department took the unprecedented step of searching the former president's home despite what Trump's attorneys say was his voluntary assistance with investigators over several months.​
In a statement, Justice Department spokesman Anthony Coley reiterated that the search warrant at Mar-a-Lago was "authorized by a federal court upon the required finding of probable cause."​
The department is aware of Trump's motion, he said, and will file its response in court.​
Last Friday, the judge in the case, U.S. Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart, gave the Justice Department one week to provide a redacted copy of the affidavit used to justify the unprecedented search of Trump's residence. Multiple media organizations had asked the judge to unseal all documents related to the search, notably the affidavit laying out the reasoning and research. At a hearing last Thursday, the organizations said they do not want to release any information that would have a chilling effect on current or future witnesses, endanger people involved in the probe or compromise the investigation.​
Read the full warrant documents from FBI search of Trump's Mar-a-Lago home's Mar-a-Lago home

The Justice Department argued at the hearing that redacting the affidavit would leave no information of substance to release and also noted that the search itself and release of the warrant last week had created a volatile situation where FBI agents have already received death threats.​
The Justice Department must give Reinhart their proposed redacted version by Thursday at noon. The judge has not said what, if anything, he will ultimately order made public.​


While the Justice Department asked the court to unseal the warrant, citing intense public interest, it has argued strongly against releasing the affidavit, saying doing so could compromise its investigation, other probes, the possibility of future witness cooperation and the safety of agents and individuals named in the affidavit.​
The warrant shows that FBI agents retrieved documents labeled classified, secret, top secret and confidential as well potential presidential records. It also reveals that the Justice Department is investigating the potential violation of three federal statutes, including the Espionage Act and obstruction of justice.​
The genesis of the investigation comes from an unlikely source: the National Archives. This winter the agency, in charge of cataloguing and storing important government documents, retrieved 15 boxes of key presidential records that it said Trump was improperly and possibly illegally keeping at home.​
Because he is stupid.
 

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Maybe I'm just being naive but why give people LEGAL grounds to come after you?

You pretty much just destroyed the already proven criminal, treasonous Democrats', the DOJ's, and the FBI's case.

Why would Trump?

Being a 'Declassifying Agent', capable of declassifying any information he wanted, fail to do so and take classified documents with him?

- We already know he is on record as having given the FBI a legal Presidential order to declassify and release all FBI Crossfire Hurricane files...and the FBI is officially on record as criminally refusing to do so going on 20 months now.
** Is the DOJ & FBI counting any Crossfir Hurricae documents Trump may have had as being 'classified'? If so, this is one of the easiest proven criminal set-ups ever.

If the FBI, as proven, refused to declassify classified records Trump ordered them to do, who is to say the proven criminals refused to obey Trump when he ordered the other documents to be declassified?

We are talking about, after all, an FBI that willingly knowingly participated in a failed coup attempt, defrauded the FISA Court, violated the Constitution / Laws / the Patriot Act, intentionally illegally spied on Ameticas and a President, knowingly intentionally withheld exculpatory evidence, and even put innocent Americans in jail intentionally padt by doing so.

Garland and the FBI also claimed probably THE main justification for the unprecedented, historic, unwarranted, heavily armed raid on a President's home was because he supposedly had possession of 'national security-threatening nuclear secrets'....

1. Not only did Garland claimed to have deliberated for TWO WEEKS to ok the raid to retrieve the 'national security-threatening nuclear Secrets' ... but at no time in 18 months after Trump left office did they try to get them back. WHY NOT?

When Trump gave them 15 boxes of files in June, 2 weeks prior to the raid, the DOJ & FBI reportedly did not ask for those 'national security-threatening nuclear Secrets'. WHY NOT?

2. No where in the affidavit that the DOJ/FBI just released is there 1 mention of 'national security-threatening nuclear Secrets'. Garland said it was THE issue that made him approve the raid....but there was no mention in the affidavit. That's beyond odd...

...and don't give me that 'it was redacted because it might interfere with blah blah blah' crap. They already publicly declared they wanted to retrieve nuclear secrets so there was no reason to redact that.

The fact is by NOT mentioning 'national security-threatening nuclear Secrets' in the affidavit the DOJ & FBI just admitted they lied about 'nuclear secrets' & their extremely broad search warrant proves the conducted an historic, unprecedented, unwarranted partisan heavily armed raid on the President's political opponent as part of a fishing expedition to seize attorney-client privileged files / info ... AGAIN ... and anything else they could find to use against Trump in the future.


Welcome to Vrandon's, the Democrats', and the criminal DOJ's & FBI's 3rd World Banana Republic!
 

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It doesn't matter... the dems and the swamp was always going to go after Trump no matter what he did or doesn't do... they are relentless in pursuit of him...
There's a very easy way Trump can get the law off his back.

 

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He is a whiny vindictive asshole.

this is exactly they type of thing that I would expect. It is not like he hid why he did it. he demands the documents are his. That he is wrong is not relevant to him.


I have no idea why any of this is confusing to anyone. Trump is many, many things. Subtle is simply not one of them.
 

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Do you really believe a guy accused of being a criminal mastermind by dems is that stupid?
Trump is easily the stupidest president we've ever had.

That's why he keeps getting caught.
 

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Do you really believe a guy accused of being a criminal mastermind by dems is that stupid?

Don't you just love the Left? They keep trying to claim that Trump is as dumb as a stump while he has beaten them at SIX YEARS of continuous spying, wiretapping, investigations, hearings, break ins and impeachments, while 98% of the people he endorses screams to the finish line over them!

WHAT A DUMMY! :spinner: :cuckoo: :auiqs.jpg:
 
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Trump is easily the stupidest president we've ever had.

That's why he keeps getting caught.
Caught but never punished, unless having his home raided is a form of punishment, but if so, it could have also been avoided.

And that's why I said I don't understand why he would do anything like taking those documents and giving anyone the lawful ability to come after him.
 

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Democrats have decided that they will get Trump no matter what the cost or what they have to do. Trump isn't going to jail. He's not going to be indicted. If democrats can just persuade people not to vote for him, that's all democrats hope for. Just stop him from ever getting another political office. To achieve that goal there is nothing democrats won't do.

They are working themselves into a frenzy trying to stop Trump's influence in the November mid terms. They will shortly be reduced to flailing around in death throes. That's when they will be the most dangerous.
 

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Maybe I'm just being naive but why give people LEGAL grounds to come after you?

That's like leaving a job, especially if involuntarily and deciding to keep one of the cell phones that you've been using for both work and personal calls and then refusing or not wanting to turn it over when asked for it. I understand that having your own personal items mixed in with your work items presents a dilemma but you don't deal with it by lying about what you're holding and then not turning over everything that is asked for.

Unless I'm missing something, does Trump or anyone else believe he's entitled to keep classified, top secret documents at his home? Why would he not turn these items over? Just general principle?

Former President Trump is asking a federal court to appoint a special master to review the documents the FBI seized from Mar-a-Lago this month during a court-authorized search.​
In a motion filed in federal court in Florida, Trump also is seeking to prevent the government from further reviewing the documents that were taken until a special master is appointed, and he wants the government to provide more details on items that were taken during the search.​
The legal action is the first from Trump's attorneys since FBI agents executed a search warrant at Mar-a-Lago two weeks ago.​
"Law enforcement is a shield that protects Americans. It cannot be used as a weapon for political purposes," the filing says. "Therefore, we seek judicial assistance in the aftermath of an unprecedented and unnecessary raid on President Trump's home at Mar-a-Lago."​
Trump's attorneys argue that the search raises Fourth Amendment concerns and that the warrant used was overly broad. They also say the department took the unprecedented step of searching the former president's home despite what Trump's attorneys say was his voluntary assistance with investigators over several months.​
In a statement, Justice Department spokesman Anthony Coley reiterated that the search warrant at Mar-a-Lago was "authorized by a federal court upon the required finding of probable cause."​
The department is aware of Trump's motion, he said, and will file its response in court.​
Last Friday, the judge in the case, U.S. Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart, gave the Justice Department one week to provide a redacted copy of the affidavit used to justify the unprecedented search of Trump's residence. Multiple media organizations had asked the judge to unseal all documents related to the search, notably the affidavit laying out the reasoning and research. At a hearing last Thursday, the organizations said they do not want to release any information that would have a chilling effect on current or future witnesses, endanger people involved in the probe or compromise the investigation.​
Read the full warrant documents from FBI search of Trump's Mar-a-Lago home's Mar-a-Lago home

The Justice Department argued at the hearing that redacting the affidavit would leave no information of substance to release and also noted that the search itself and release of the warrant last week had created a volatile situation where FBI agents have already received death threats.​
The Justice Department must give Reinhart their proposed redacted version by Thursday at noon. The judge has not said what, if anything, he will ultimately order made public.​


While the Justice Department asked the court to unseal the warrant, citing intense public interest, it has argued strongly against releasing the affidavit, saying doing so could compromise its investigation, other probes, the possibility of future witness cooperation and the safety of agents and individuals named in the affidavit.​
The warrant shows that FBI agents retrieved documents labeled classified, secret, top secret and confidential as well potential presidential records. It also reveals that the Justice Department is investigating the potential violation of three federal statutes, including the Espionage Act and obstruction of justice.​
The genesis of the investigation comes from an unlikely source: the National Archives. This winter the agency, in charge of cataloguing and storing important government documents, retrieved 15 boxes of key presidential records that it said Trump was improperly and possibly illegally keeping at home.​

1) Because he believes the law doesn't apply to him
2) Because it gives publicity
3) Because it allows him to pump lies about how bad the FBI and DOJ are.
 

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