So You Despise Capitalism? Please Give Us Your Alternative...

[Wry Catcher]

If Anyone can find a way around the Schemes you create it is the 1%. Unfortunately it is the rest of us that get screwed with your convoluted Bullshit. You want change? Effect it. Start with a New Impartial Tax Code. I challenge you to keep it under 100 Pages.

All income must be reported, as well as any gift over the amount of $1,000, A progressive tax rate will be applied to all income which exceeds the annual rate of poverty (no one pays on the first $xxx of income).

At or under $xxx, 0%; tax levels above 0% will rise in increments based on $15,000; percentages will also: Examples,

First level will pay 2% on gross income;

Next will bay 4%

3rd level will pay 6%

4th level will pay 8%

5th level will pay 10%

6th will pay 12%

7th will pay 14%

8th will pay 16%

Etc. etc. up to whatever the ceiling may be with the percentage of 90%.

The only deductions will be a tax credit for home ownership - one home, owner occupied on interest only - local and state taxes.

All income tax levels will pay into social security, Medicare and when war is declared (or even undeclared; all levels will pay a war tax of not less than 5% of the tax they paid in the prior year.

Corporate taxes will also be progressive, small cap, mid cap and large cap will each pay their 'fair share'.

Obviously the numbers are made up, but feel free to offer other ideas and ignore as I will the fools whose only argument is to personally attack the opinions they hold framed for them by Rush Limbaugh or another member of the New Right propaganda purveyors.

How's that Utopia holding up?
Why are Google, MSN, and Apple hiding money off shore again?
You keep trying to play Got Ya with the Rich, yet keep coming up with an empty net.
Why do the Rich pay all of those Tax Lawyers the big bucks again?

Why not just scrap the Tax Code, and start with something from scratch, something less convoluted. Only this time avoid the special Privilege and exemption. Simplify, keep it clear and fair minded.

Assuming you have one, post an example of how that would work. My concern is getting the economy moving and avoiding our nation further evolving into a plutocracy.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Obama's effort to create jobs falls short of needed 60 votes. The party of "No" has once again voted in lock-step, putting their job security first and leaving millions of American workers in jeopardy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/12/us/politics/obamas-jobs-bill-senate-vote.html

 

[paulitician]

We just need more honest discussion on this. It's time to hash this out. No need to hedge on your opinions here either. If you're Anti-Capitalism,just say it and then elaborate on it. And your ideas on an alternative system will be appreciated. Lets have an open & honest discussion on this.

if you wanted "honest discussion" your thread title wouldn't be what it is.

no one hates capitalism... only randian idiots say that.

and this is just another one of about a zillion troll threads just like it.

"no one hates Capitalism?" Sorry gotta disagree. Many do hate Capitalism. Also,some hate Capitalism but for some reason wont be honest and up front about it. You obviously don't hate Capitalism so the question wasn't for you. Not sure why you joined the thread discussion. If you don't hate Capitalism,there was no need for you to respond. Thanks anyway though. God Bless.

 

[G.T.]

libocalypse now, retread

 

[Preius]

I just wanted to take this opportunity to give the Anti-Capitalism crowd a chance to elaborate on their Anti-Capitalism stance. I would also like to give them a chance to explain in an articulate fashion what they would replace Capitalism with. Because in my opinion it's just not enough to 'occupy' and screech slogans. And i'm really not trying to be a smart ass here either. I am very interested in hearing their ideas. Shouting angry slogans at each other wont get us anywhere. So lets hear those ideas on what you want to replace Capitalism with. Thanks.

What is American Socialism? Has it been defined?

America's roots are in free enterprise. But, is it free enterprise when of the top ten richest Americans two are WalMart heirs who did nothing to develop the company? The guy who comes up with and implements an idea should be well rewarded as. But, after that we should have an inheritance tax that forces these WalMart heirs to get real jobs.

I put the WalMart heirs in the same category of useless people as illegal immigrants and hedge fund managers. We don't need them. They are parasites. Let them find their own source of income.

It has long been American policy to provide our citizens with a welfare safety net to smooth the financial bumps in their lives. However, welfare is a temporary solution, not a way to secure a living.

I don't know what American Socialism is, but Wall Street and the Republican Party brought America into it in 2008. We taxpayers are shareholders in major Fortune 500 companies. That should give us a voice in the daily operation of each of these companies.
I think each of these companies should have two board members that are government SEC employees to protect taxpayer interests in company policymaking.

Eventually it will all come together in my opinion. These next years will shred many corporations. They brought it on themselves with outsourcing and tax breaks. They forgot that they only exist because American CITIZENS allow them to. American corporations have a charter that government can pull to prevent them from doing business in the largest marketplace on the planet - the United States of America. Slap them hard, put some CEOs in prison, and the rest will get back in line.

I don't know,sounds way too authoritarian to me. Reminds me of the Stalin purges in the Soviet Union or the Pol Pot Genocide in Cambodia. Can't go with you on your plan.

Your post makes no sense to me. I do not see what authoritarianism, Stalin or genocide in Cambodia have to do with considering the undefined concept of American Socialism. What are you smoking, and do you have any for sale?

 

[paulitician]

What is American Socialism? Has it been defined?

America's roots are in free enterprise. But, is it free enterprise when of the top ten richest Americans two are WalMart heirs who did nothing to develop the company? The guy who comes up with and implements an idea should be well rewarded as. But, after that we should have an inheritance tax that forces these WalMart heirs to get real jobs.

I put the WalMart heirs in the same category of useless people as illegal immigrants and hedge fund managers. We don't need them. They are parasites. Let them find their own source of income.

It has long been American policy to provide our citizens with a welfare safety net to smooth the financial bumps in their lives. However, welfare is a temporary solution, not a way to secure a living.

I don't know what American Socialism is, but Wall Street and the Republican Party brought America into it in 2008. We taxpayers are shareholders in major Fortune 500 companies. That should give us a voice in the daily operation of each of these companies.
I think each of these companies should have two board members that are government SEC employees to protect taxpayer interests in company policymaking.

Eventually it will all come together in my opinion. These next years will shred many corporations. They brought it on themselves with outsourcing and tax breaks. They forgot that they only exist because American CITIZENS allow them to. American corporations have a charter that government can pull to prevent them from doing business in the largest marketplace on the planet - the United States of America. Slap them hard, put some CEOs in prison, and the rest will get back in line.

I don't know,sounds way too authoritarian to me. Reminds me of the Stalin purges in the Soviet Union or the Pol Pot Genocide in Cambodia. Can't go with you on your plan.

Your post makes no sense to me. I do not see what authoritarianism, Stalin or genocide in Cambodia have to do with considering the undefined concept of American Socialism. What are you smoking, and do you have any for sale?

Re-read what was stated. His or her plan does sound way to authoritarian and oppressive to me. I'm not into the lynch-mob mentality.

 

[G.T.]

 

[Richard-H]

What alternative is there to the natural law of economics? You think we can change natural law? Any of us?

What we could do is voluntarily give of our time, talents, and money. But thats our own choice.

The only 'Natural law of economics' is that the dominant military paradigm controls all economic resources.

Any economy is a result of the laws dictated by the dominant military paradigm.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The only 'Natural law of economics' is that the dominant military paradigm controls all economic resources.

Any economy is a result of the laws dictated by the dominant military paradigm.

Take another bong hit and leave the discussion to the adults.....

 

[Intense]

What alternative is there to the natural law of economics? You think we can change natural law? Any of us?

What we could do is voluntarily give of our time, talents, and money. But thats our own choice.

The only 'Natural law of economics' is that the dominant military paradigm controls all economic resources.

Any economy is a result of the laws dictated by the dominant military paradigm.

Who told you that? Stalin?

 

[Care4all]

i don't despise capitalism, if it were not for capitalism, i probably would have never had a job.....

I do think unbridled capitalism is a problem....and unfair trade agreements is a problem as well....

 

[paulitician]

i don't despise capitalism, if it were not for capitalism, i probably would have never had a job.....

I do think unbridled capitalism is a problem....and unfair trade agreements is a problem as well....

Thanks.

 

[thereisnospoon]

i don't despise capitalism, if it were not for capitalism, i probably would have never had a job.....

I do think unbridled capitalism is a problem....and unfair trade agreements is a problem as well....

 

[bripat9643]

Why would any person who produces something of value for a living find anything attractive about your plan?

All income must be reported, as well as any gift over the amount of $1,000, A progressive tax rate will be applied to all income which exceeds the annual rate of poverty (no one pays on the first $xxx of income).

At or under $xxx, 0%; tax levels above 0% will rise in increments based on $15,000; percentages will also: Examples,

First level will pay 2% on gross income;

Next will bay 4%

3rd level will pay 6%

4th level will pay 8%

5th level will pay 10%

6th will pay 12%

7th will pay 14%

8th will pay 16%

Etc. etc. up to whatever the ceiling may be with the percentage of 90%.

The only deductions will be a tax credit for home ownership - one home, owner occupied on interest only - local and state taxes.

All income tax levels will pay into social security, Medicare and when war is declared (or even undeclared; all levels will pay a war tax of not less than 5% of the tax they paid in the prior year.

Corporate taxes will also be progressive, small cap, mid cap and large cap will each pay their 'fair share'.

Obviously the numbers are made up, but feel free to offer other ideas and ignore as I will the fools whose only argument is to personally attack the opinions they hold framed for them by Rush Limbaugh or another member of the New Right propaganda purveyors.

 

[Lakhota]

I just wanted to take this opportunity to give the Anti-Capitalism crowd a chance to elaborate on their Anti-Capitalism stance. I would also like to give them a chance to explain in an articulate fashion what they would replace Capitalism with. Because in my opinion it's just not enough to 'occupy' and screech slogans. And i'm really not trying to be a smart ass here either. I am very interested in hearing their ideas. Shouting angry slogans at each other wont get us anywhere. So lets hear those ideas on what you want to replace Capitalism with. Thanks.

Replace CORRUPT capitalism with reasonably NON-CORRUPT capitalism. American capitalism is destroying itself with its corruption and greed. It's had a good ride, but now Americans are saying shape up or ship out. If capitalism doesn't do anything meaningful to police its ranks, then it should expect to see the grim reaper. Republicans are hurting capitalism by trying to weaken regulations and not prosecuting corruption.

 

[Oldstyle]

I just wanted to take this opportunity to give the Anti-Capitalism crowd a chance to elaborate on their Anti-Capitalism stance. I would also like to give them a chance to explain in an articulate fashion what they would replace Capitalism with. Because in my opinion it's just not enough to 'occupy' and screech slogans. And i'm really not trying to be a smart ass here either. I am very interested in hearing their ideas. Shouting angry slogans at each other wont get us anywhere. So lets hear those ideas on what you want to replace Capitalism with. Thanks.

Replace CORRUPT capitalism with reasonably NON-CORRUPT capitalism. American capitalism is destroying itself with its corruption and greed. It's had a good ride, but now Americans are saying shape up or ship out. If capitalism doesn't do anything meaningful to police its ranks, then it should expect to see the grim reaper. Republicans are hurting capitalism by trying to weaken regulations and not prosecuting corruption.

Like Solyndra?

 

[editec]

So You Despise Capitalism? Please Give Us Your Alternative...

So you dispise the American people, why?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Why would any person who produces something of value for a living find anything attractive about your plan?

The democrats are only repeating what the party instructs them to believe

{Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c. }


Communist Manifesto (Chapter 2)

 

[konradv]

Why would any person who produces something of value for a living find anything attractive about your plan?

The democrats are only repeating what the party instructs them to believe

{Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c. }


Communist Manifesto (Chapter 2)

Like we're going to take political advice from the board Nazi!!!

 

[Uncensored2008]

Like we're going to take political advice from the board Nazi!!!

Lahkota didn't post it, dumbass - I did.

So which of those planks do you oppose?

Which are not part of the goals of the Shitter Revolution?