So You Despise Capitalism? Please Give Us Your Alternative...

[Intense]

What is American Socialism? Has it been defined?

America's roots are in free enterprise. But, is it free enterprise when of the top ten richest Americans two are WalMart heirs who did nothing to develop the company? The guy who comes up with and implements an idea should be well rewarded as. But, after that we should have an inheritance tax that forces these WalMart heirs to get real jobs.

I put the WalMart heirs in the same category of useless people as illegal immigrants and hedge fund managers. We don't need them. They are parasites. Let them find their own source of income.

It has long been American policy to provide our citizens with a welfare safety net to smooth the financial bumps in their lives. However, welfare is a temporary solution, not a way to secure a living.

I don't know what American Socialism is, but Wall Street and the Republican Party brought America into it in 2008. We taxpayers are shareholders in major Fortune 500 companies. That should give us a voice in the daily operation of each of these companies.
I think each of these companies should have two board members that are government SEC employees to protect taxpayer interests in company policymaking.

Eventually it will all come together in my opinion. These next years will shred many corporations. They brought it on themselves with outsourcing and tax breaks. They forgot that they only exist because American CITIZENS allow them to. American corporations have a charter that government can pull to prevent them from doing business in the largest marketplace on the planet - the United States of America. Slap them hard, put some CEOs in prison, and the rest will get back in line.

I don't know,sounds way too authoritarian to me. Reminds me of the Stalin purges in the Soviet Union or the Pol Pot Genocide in Cambodia. Can't go with you on your plan.

Ok, let's crank it up a notch to where the rubber hits the road.

The point being missed here is that just like the American Revolution, change only comes when the wealthy want it. The 1% has two factions, the greedy Wall Street types, and the Patriotic Millionaires.

"Recently members of the group calling themselves “Patriotic Millionaires for Fiscal Strength” sent a letter to Pres. Barack Obama, Harry Reid (Majority Leader in the U. S. Senate), and John Boehner (Speaker of the U. S. House of Representatives). What made the letter notable was that it requested that “you increase taxes on incomes over $1,000,000”—the letter then being signed by a long list of millionaires."


Here is a link to Patriotic Millionaires a quiet group that knows how to twist arms in hardball politics. “Patriotic Millionaires” | Dissident Voice The Republicans and the Tea Party are going to come out of this like Torries after the American Revolution - assimilate or leave. The Democratic Party in my opinion will get a well-deserved slap into the middle of next week. The result will be an America that serves all legal CITIZENS.

If you have trouble buying this, recall the British in the 1960s and 1970s. They wanted the wealthy to comply with the wishes of the people so they imposed extreme taxes. The wealthy either accepted or changed their citizenship. Withing a few years the wealthy missed their native land, came back and paid their taxes. The American 1% will either assimilate or leave. In my opinion those who leave are the greedy we don't want anyway.

Keep in mind a corporate charter can always be pulled to prevent a company from doing business in the United States.

If Anyone can find a way around the Schemes you create it is the 1%. Unfortunately it is the rest of us that get screwed with your convoluted Bullshit. You want change? Effect it. Start with a New Impartial Tax Code. I challenge you to keep it under 100 Pages.

 

[Old Rocks]

I just wanted to take this opportunity to give the Anti-Capitalism crowd a chance to elaborate on their Anti-Capitalism stance. I would also like to give them a chance to explain in an articulate fashion what they would replace Capitalism with. Because in my opinion it's just not enough to 'occupy' and screech slogans. And i'm really not trying to be a smart ass here either. I am very interested in hearing their ideas. Shouting angry slogans at each other wont get us anywhere. So lets hear those ideas on what you want to replace Capitalism with. Thanks.

I do not despise capitalism as outlined in The Wealth of Nations. I despise the attemp to create corperate statism in this nation through the crooked mechanizations of those on Wall Street. We saw the results in '29, and in '08. We are still seeing them.

Until there are adaquete regulations, with criminal terms for those that break them, this nation will continue to decline, economically and morally. The inequity of wealth in this nation has never been greater. And now the people that are normally working hard to build this nation have had enough and are taking to the street to express their distress and disgust with what our economic structure has become.

Good for them, they have my full support.

 

[thereisnospoon]

"So You Despise Capitalism? Please Give Us Your Alternative..."

I despose crony capitalism and corruption; I despise Oligrachy's where the wealthy construct and enforce the laws; I despise avarice and bigotry and callous conservatives.

Capitalism is not inherently evil; power tends to corrupt and great wealth creates enormous power. When great wealth is consolidated in the few, the many suffer.

Great wealth, expecially when inherited, hold these truths to be invalid: that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Your last sentence..After I wiped up the spilled beer....Is it your contention that a person who has worked all his or her life should not be permitted to pass their estate along to their heirs? I suppose you believe the government is the best steward of family estates.
Why do you think government should get a second bite at the apple?
Do you believe that will result in any favor to you?

 

[Mr.Nick]

I just wanted to take this opportunity to give the Anti-Capitalism crowd a chance to elaborate on their Anti-Capitalism stance. I would also like to give them a chance to explain in an articulate fashion what they would replace Capitalism with. Because in my opinion it's just not enough to 'occupy' and screech slogans. And i'm really not trying to be a smart ass here either. I am very interested in hearing their ideas. Shouting angry slogans at each other wont get us anywhere. So lets hear those ideas on what you want to replace Capitalism with. Thanks.

What is American Socialism? Has it been defined?

America's roots are in free enterprise. But, is it free enterprise when of the top ten richest Americans two are WalMart heirs who did nothing to develop the company? The guy who comes up with and implements an idea should be well rewarded as. But, after that we should have an inheritance tax that forces these WalMart heirs to get real jobs.

I put the WalMart heirs in the same category of useless people as illegal immigrants and hedge fund managers. We don't need them. They are parasites. Let them find their own source of income.

It has long been American policy to provide our citizens with a welfare safety net to smooth the financial bumps in their lives. However, welfare is a temporary solution, not a way to secure a living.

I don't know what American Socialism is, but Wall Street and the Republican Party brought America into it in 2008. We taxpayers are shareholders in major Fortune 500 companies. That should give us a voice in the daily operation of each of these companies.
I think each of these companies should have two board members that are government SEC employees to protect taxpayer interests in company policymaking.

Eventually it will all come together in my opinion. These next years will shred many corporations. They brought it on themselves with outsourcing and tax breaks. They forgot that they only exist because American CITIZENS allow them to. American corporations have a charter that government can pull to prevent them from doing business in the largest marketplace on the planet - the United States of America. Slap them hard, put some CEOs in prison, and the rest will get back in line.

How many viewers of this thread are ACTUALLY losing sleep over the wealthy 1% having enough money? You see, the 1% are expendable!

Socialism is socialism - there is no American version of it... Its nothing more than the economic model that works around Marx's social theory...

Redistribution of wealth is a form of socialism but it's not true socialism - it needs its own name ..... Keynesian socialism would be a good name.. Maybe Robin Hoodism??? That's more fitting for the OWS socialist idiots..

 

[thereisnospoon]

I just wanted to take this opportunity to give the Anti-Capitalism crowd a chance to elaborate on their Anti-Capitalism stance. I would also like to give them a chance to explain in an articulate fashion what they would replace Capitalism with. Because in my opinion it's just not enough to 'occupy' and screech slogans. And i'm really not trying to be a smart ass here either. I am very interested in hearing their ideas. Shouting angry slogans at each other wont get us anywhere. So lets hear those ideas on what you want to replace Capitalism with. Thanks.

What is American Socialism? Has it been defined?

America's roots are in free enterprise. But, is it free enterprise when of the top ten richest Americans two are WalMart heirs who did nothing to develop the company? The guy who comes up with and implements an idea should be well rewarded as.

I put the WalMart heirs in the same category of useless people as illegal immigrants and hedge fund managers. We don't need them. They are parasites. Let them find their own source of income.

It has long been American policy to provide our citizens with a welfare safety net to smooth the financial bumps in their lives. However, welfare is a temporary solution, not a way to secure a living.

I don't know what American Socialism is, but Wall Street and the Republican Party brought America into it in 2008. We taxpayers are shareholders in major Fortune 500 companies. That should give us a voice in the daily operation of each of these companies.
I think each of these companies should have two board members that are government SEC employees to protect taxpayer interests in company policymaking.

Eventually it will all come together in my opinion. These next years will shred many corporations. They brought it on themselves with outsourcing and tax breaks. They forgot that they only exist because American CITIZENS allow them to. American corporations have a charter that government can pull to prevent them from doing business in the largest marketplace on the planet - the United States of America. Slap them hard, put some CEOs in prison, and the rest will get back in line.

How many viewers of this thread are ACTUALLY losing sleep over the wealthy 1% having enough money? You see, the 1% are expendable!

I think you are insane. The Walton family IS Wal Mart. Your failure is when you ignore the fact that these family members control the company through the ownership of company stock. That means they are assuming a majority of the risk. How the Walton children obtained their money is non of anyone's business. They broke no laws. They did nothing wrong. The fact that they are wealthy has no bearing on anyone else.
And juts what is your purpose for an inheritance tax? This is where liberal greed gets exposed. You people view taxation as a means to punish. There is no other possible explanation. Review what you posted. They should be punished by having their wealth stripped via a TAX. That is not justice. It's theft via political fiat.
I think you've stated enough. You're just spouting anger over your own self loathing.
All of you people who view wealth as evil are angry and irrational.
Fortunately there are far more of us than there is of you.

 

[Mr.Nick]

What is American Socialism? Has it been defined?

America's roots are in free enterprise. But, is it free enterprise when of the top ten richest Americans two are WalMart heirs who did nothing to develop the company? The guy who comes up with and implements an idea should be well rewarded as. But, after that we should have an inheritance tax that forces these WalMart heirs to get real jobs.

I put the WalMart heirs in the same category of useless people as illegal immigrants and hedge fund managers. We don't need them. They are parasites. Let them find their own source of income.

It has long been American policy to provide our citizens with a welfare safety net to smooth the financial bumps in their lives. However, welfare is a temporary solution, not a way to secure a living.

I don't know what American Socialism is, but Wall Street and the Republican Party brought America into it in 2008. We taxpayers are shareholders in major Fortune 500 companies. That should give us a voice in the daily operation of each of these companies.
I think each of these companies should have two board members that are government SEC employees to protect taxpayer interests in company policymaking.

Eventually it will all come together in my opinion. These next years will shred many corporations. They brought it on themselves with outsourcing and tax breaks. They forgot that they only exist because American CITIZENS allow them to. American corporations have a charter that government can pull to prevent them from doing business in the largest marketplace on the planet - the United States of America. Slap them hard, put some CEOs in prison, and the rest will get back in line.

I don't know,sounds way too authoritarian to me. Reminds me of the Stalin purges in the Soviet Union or the Pol Pot Genocide in Cambodia. Can't go with you on your plan.

Ok, let's crank it up a notch to where the rubber hits the road.

The point being missed here is that just like the American Revolution, change only comes when the wealthy want it. The 1% has two factions, the greedy Wall Street types, and the Patriotic Millionaires.

"Recently members of the group calling themselves “Patriotic Millionaires for Fiscal Strength” sent a letter to Pres. Barack Obama, Harry Reid (Majority Leader in the U. S. Senate), and John Boehner (Speaker of the U. S. House of Representatives). What made the letter notable was that it requested that “you increase taxes on incomes over $1,000,000”—the letter then being signed by a long list of millionaires."


Here is a link to Patriotic Millionaires a quiet group that knows how to twist arms in hardball politics. “Patriotic Millionaires” | Dissident Voice The Republicans and the Tea Party are going to come out of this like Torries after the American Revolution - assimilate or leave. The Democratic Party in my opinion will get a well-deserved slap into the middle of next week. The result will be an America that serves all legal CITIZENS.

If you have trouble buying this, recall the British in the 1960s and 1970s. They wanted the wealthy to comply with the wishes of the people so they imposed extreme taxes. The wealthy either accepted or changed their citizenship. Withing a few years the wealthy missed their native land, came back and paid their taxes. The American 1% will either assimilate or leave. In my opinion those who leave are the greedy we don't want anyway.

Keep in mind a corporate charter can always be pulled to prevent a company from doing business in the United States.

People forget the tea party are just regular people - whom are highly educated and own guns who just want to be left alone...

Why should they pay something they will get nothing out of...

The tea party may as well be funding the retards squatting across the nation shitting all over the place..

Those dicks claim they work and pay taxes but since they've been squatting for a month I doubt that is true....

So who is paying for them???

Who puts the cloths on their back? mommy and daddy or the government?

 

[jillian]

We just need more honest discussion on this. It's time to hash this out. No need to hedge on your opinions here either. If you're Anti-Capitalism,just say it and then elaborate on it. And your ideas on an alternative system will be appreciated. Lets have an open & honest discussion on this.

if you wanted "honest discussion" your thread title wouldn't be what it is.

no one hates capitalism... only randian idiots say that.

and this is just another one of about a zillion troll threads just like it.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I just wanted to take this opportunity to give the Anti-Capitalism crowd a chance to elaborate on their Anti-Capitalism stance.

"The pols are in no position to enact any further left-populist reforms — laws that create, say, a financial transaction tax, or that make it easier for employees to form unions — so long as Republicans control the House and have veto power in the Senate. For that matter, the Democrats couldn’t even get those bills enacted when they controlled both houses of Congress. So what, besides affirming their solidarity with the demonstrators, can they do?

Here’s a modest proposal: Refuse all campaign contributions from banks, hedge funds, private equity funds and their partners and employees. From the whole financial sector. Sign a pledge to go off the $auce. Unlike the signatories to Grover Norquist’s no-tax pledge, lawmakers wouldn’t be asking voters to trust them once the election is over. They’d be honoring their pledge before the election. And unlike the Groverians, they wouldn’t surrender their powers of judgment and freedom of action once they’re in office."

Sign A Pledge To Go OFF THE $AUCE!!.​

 

[kaz]

Are you against the Federal Reserve? If so, why do you hate capitalism?

See what I did there?

(asshole)

What you did is a non-sequitur, but I don't see how it corresponds to his post. I don't see any non-sequiturs in his post.

His post amounts to this: if you oppose to current system, you therefore oppose capitalism.

Pray tell, what is capitalist about a public-private fractional reserve fiat banking system? Pray tell, what is capitalist about massive taxpayer bailouts of the financial sector?
Pray tell, what is capitalist about socialized risk and privatized profit?

Pray tell, what is capitalist about a public-private fractional reserve fiat banking system?

- Too funny, you don't know what a non-sequitur is. It means it doesn't logically follow. I am totally against the Federal reserve and the Federal reserve is completely anti-capitalist. It proves direct government control over the economy and the endless ability for the government to print money and steal from the people.

Pray tell, what is capitalist about massive taxpayer bailouts of the financial sector?

- Um...I've repeatedly said I'm against that if you ever read any of my posts. Clearly I never said I was for them, you pulled this question out of your ass...

Pray tell, what is capitalist about socialized risk and privatized profit?

WTF? This question makes no sense. Can you re-ask it coherently?

 

[kaz]

His post amounts to this: if you oppose to current system, you therefore oppose capitalism.

Pray tell, what is capitalist about a public-private fractional reserve fiat banking system? Pray tell, what is capitalist about massive taxpayer bailouts of the financial sector?
Pray tell, what is capitalist about socialized risk and privatized profit?

Pray tell, what is not Big Government about it?

Clearly you hates you some capitalism, Intense. Because capitalism is through and through a history about private capture of government.

Can you try this point again when the drugs wear off?

 

[kaz]

Oh, fuck you and your little ad hominem attack. You want demagoguery, watch the Republican debates, a collection of charlatans like never before.

But first don't use words which you don't understand

I was laughing that you don't know what an "ad hominem" attack is...then you chastised me for using words I don't understand.

Well, I like...



Do you?

Oh, you're a smug idiot. Cool. Any attack on the person and not their argument is an ad hominem attack.

And I'm not above making one, especially when dealing with fools like you.

There was no attack on your person in the post you said had an ad hominem attack, moron. See, that was an ad hominem attack. But attacking your position is not attacking you.

I'd stick to this if I were you...



You know there are websites for that.

 

[Uncensored2008]

A mixture of both - capitalism and govt...

Like Obama care.. AKA fascism.

 

[Intense]

His post amounts to this: if you oppose to current system, you therefore oppose capitalism.

Pray tell, what is capitalist about a public-private fractional reserve fiat banking system? Pray tell, what is capitalist about massive taxpayer bailouts of the financial sector?
Pray tell, what is capitalist about socialized risk and privatized profit?

Pray tell, what is not Big Government about it?

Clearly you hates you some capitalism, Intense. Because capitalism is through and through a history about private capture of government.

Not at all. I think your Little Red Riding Hood is actually the Wolf in Disguise. You are allowing Government to pit you against your own property rights. Let me add, Government is doing a great job of it too. Who regulates? Who is the silent partner with Big Business, taking a cut each time money changes hands? Who gets to value and devalue the dollar when ever it gets a bug up it's ass? Who is artificially manipulating Fuel and Energy prices through regulation? Who set up the Monopolies in the first place? Monopolies which crush competition, Small Enterprise, and centralize control? Tyranny is not about Money, it is just a tool, a means to an end. Tyranny is about Power, Control, Money, Bullets, debt, servitude, Sacrifice your Self Interest for the State. Who's sitting around the Holiday Table of True Power?

 

[bripat9643]

if you wanted "honest discussion" your thread title wouldn't be what it is.

no one hates capitalism... only randian idiots say that.

The evidence is overwhelming that plenty of people hate capitalism. We call those people "liberals." The people who deny that anyone hates capitalism we call "idiots" or "liars."

 

[Uncensored2008]

What is American Socialism? Has it been defined?

Benito Mussolini did a pretty good job of defining it. Barack Obama does a pretty good job of following the goals and objectives of Benito.

America's roots are in free enterprise. But, is it free enterprise when of the top ten richest Americans two are WalMart heirs who did nothing to develop the company?

Is it butter, when oranges have seeds?

The guy who comes up with and implements an idea should be well rewarded as.

Rewarded by his rulers?

But, after that we should have an inheritance tax that forces these WalMart heirs to get real jobs.

Because you should be able to take by force and violence what you want. When my son graduated from high school, I gave him a car. But you should be able to stick a gun in his face and take it, because he was given it and you want.

I put the WalMart heirs in the same category of useless people as illegal immigrants and hedge fund managers.

I put you in the same category as an armed robber holding up a liquor store and home invasion robbers.

The threat of violence to take by force what you want is your way. You justify your deeds by your wants.

We don't need them. They are parasites.

We don't need you, you are a parasite. You are a looter, a criminal seeking to take by force that which does not belong to you.

Let them find their own source of income.

Let you work and create instead of robbing others as a source of income.

It has long been American policy to provide our citizens with a welfare safety net to smooth the financial bumps in their lives. However, welfare is a temporary solution, not a way to secure a living.

Taking from others by force and violence is your long term solution? You'll run out of "rich" people to rob pretty quickly, your kind always does. Then who do you steal from? The answer is obvious.

I don't know what American Socialism is, but Wall Street and the Republican Party brought America into it in 2008.

Is your advocacy of armed robbery as national policy the platform of the fascist democrats?

We taxpayers are shareholders in major Fortune 500 companies.

Only if you have bought stock, otherwise you are just a thief, a criminal seeking to take by force that which you did not earn.

That should give us a voice in the daily operation of each of these companies.
I think each of these companies should have two board members that are government SEC employees to protect taxpayer interests in company policymaking.

So did Mussolini, fascism is the name of the type of socialism you promote.

Eventually it will all come together in my opinion. These next years will shred many corporations. They brought it on themselves with outsourcing and tax breaks. They forgot that they only exist because American CITIZENS allow them to.

You need a strongman, like Mussolini, Hitler or Stalin. Obama is a joke. Creating the fascist, authoritarian state you desire will require a ruler and a lot of blood.

Useful idiots like you are always the first to have their blood shed.

American corporations have a charter that government can pull to prevent them from doing business in the largest marketplace on the planet - the United States of America. Slap them hard, put some CEOs in prison, and the rest will get back in line.

Do they now?

So in your fantasy, Dear Leader can just throw people in the gulag because he doesn't like them, they are CEO's and he want's them "in line?"

How many viewers of this thread are ACTUALLY losing sleep over the wealthy 1% having enough money? You see, the 1% are expendable!

I'm willing to buy you a one way ticket to North Korea, your paradise awaits.

 

[Uncensored2008]

if you wanted "honest discussion" your thread title wouldn't be what it is.

Those who want "honest discussion," won't get it from you.

You have neither the intellect nor temperament to offer rational points nor accept counter-points.

no one hates capitalism... only randian idiots say that.

You truly are as stupid as a bag of hammers. One of your leftist cohorts just suggested placing government stooges on the boards of directors of major corporations, directly out of the fascist playbook.

Not that you comprehend such things, or anything, for that matter.

and this is just another one of about a zillion troll threads just like it.

And again you play the drooling moron seeking attention, but adding nothing to the thread.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The evidence is overwhelming that plenty of people hate capitalism. We call those people "liberals." The people who deny that anyone hates capitalism we call "idiots" or "liars."

In Jillian's case; "drooling moron" is the operative phrase. This one is seriously stupid.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I don't know,sounds way too authoritarian to me. Reminds me of the Stalin purges in the Soviet Union or the Pol Pot Genocide in Cambodia. Can't go with you on your plan.

Ok, let's crank it up a notch to where the rubber hits the road.

The point being missed here is that just like the American Revolution, change only comes when the wealthy want it. The 1% has two factions, the greedy Wall Street types, and the Patriotic Millionaires.

"Recently members of the group calling themselves “Patriotic Millionaires for Fiscal Strength” sent a letter to Pres. Barack Obama, Harry Reid (Majority Leader in the U. S. Senate), and John Boehner (Speaker of the U. S. House of Representatives). What made the letter notable was that it requested that “you increase taxes on incomes over $1,000,000”—the letter then being signed by a long list of millionaires."


Here is a link to Patriotic Millionaires a quiet group that knows how to twist arms in hardball politics. “Patriotic Millionaires” | Dissident Voice The Republicans and the Tea Party are going to come out of this like Torries after the American Revolution - assimilate or leave. The Democratic Party in my opinion will get a well-deserved slap into the middle of next week. The result will be an America that serves all legal CITIZENS.

If you have trouble buying this, recall the British in the 1960s and 1970s. They wanted the wealthy to comply with the wishes of the people so they imposed extreme taxes. The wealthy either accepted or changed their citizenship. Withing a few years the wealthy missed their native land, came back and paid their taxes. The American 1% will either assimilate or leave. In my opinion those who leave are the greedy we don't want anyway.

Keep in mind a corporate charter can always be pulled to prevent a company from doing business in the United States.

If Anyone can find a way around the Schemes you create it is the 1%. Unfortunately it is the rest of us that get screwed with your convoluted Bullshit. You want change? Effect it. Start with a New Impartial Tax Code. I challenge you to keep it under 100 Pages.

All income must be reported, as well as any gift over the amount of $1,000, A progressive tax rate will be applied to all income which exceeds the annual rate of poverty (no one pays on the first $xxx of income).

At or under $xxx, 0%; tax levels above 0% will rise in increments based on $15,000; percentages will also: Examples,

First level will pay 2% on gross income;

Next will bay 4%

3rd level will pay 6%

4th level will pay 8%

5th level will pay 10%

6th will pay 12%

7th will pay 14%

8th will pay 16%

Etc. etc. up to whatever the ceiling may be with the percentage of 90%.

The only deductions will be a tax credit for home ownership - one home, owner occupied on interest only - local and state taxes.

All income tax levels will pay into social security, Medicare and when war is declared (or even undeclared; all levels will pay a war tax of not less than 5% of the tax they paid in the prior year.

Corporate taxes will also be progressive, small cap, mid cap and large cap will each pay their 'fair share'.

Obviously the numbers are made up, but feel free to offer other ideas and ignore as I will the fools whose only argument is to personally attack the opinions they hold framed for them by Rush Limbaugh or another member of the New Right propaganda purveyors.

 

[Intense]

Ok, let's crank it up a notch to where the rubber hits the road.

The point being missed here is that just like the American Revolution, change only comes when the wealthy want it. The 1% has two factions, the greedy Wall Street types, and the Patriotic Millionaires.

"Recently members of the group calling themselves “Patriotic Millionaires for Fiscal Strength” sent a letter to Pres. Barack Obama, Harry Reid (Majority Leader in the U. S. Senate), and John Boehner (Speaker of the U. S. House of Representatives). What made the letter notable was that it requested that “you increase taxes on incomes over $1,000,000”—the letter then being signed by a long list of millionaires."


Here is a link to Patriotic Millionaires a quiet group that knows how to twist arms in hardball politics. “Patriotic Millionaires” | Dissident Voice The Republicans and the Tea Party are going to come out of this like Torries after the American Revolution - assimilate or leave. The Democratic Party in my opinion will get a well-deserved slap into the middle of next week. The result will be an America that serves all legal CITIZENS.

If you have trouble buying this, recall the British in the 1960s and 1970s. They wanted the wealthy to comply with the wishes of the people so they imposed extreme taxes. The wealthy either accepted or changed their citizenship. Withing a few years the wealthy missed their native land, came back and paid their taxes. The American 1% will either assimilate or leave. In my opinion those who leave are the greedy we don't want anyway.

Keep in mind a corporate charter can always be pulled to prevent a company from doing business in the United States.

If Anyone can find a way around the Schemes you create it is the 1%. Unfortunately it is the rest of us that get screwed with your convoluted Bullshit. You want change? Effect it. Start with a New Impartial Tax Code. I challenge you to keep it under 100 Pages.

All income must be reported, as well as any gift over the amount of $1,000, A progressive tax rate will be applied to all income which exceeds the annual rate of poverty (no one pays on the first $xxx of income).

At or under $xxx, 0%; tax levels above 0% will rise in increments based on $15,000; percentages will also: Examples,

First level will pay 2% on gross income;

Next will bay 4%

3rd level will pay 6%

4th level will pay 8%

5th level will pay 10%

6th will pay 12%

7th will pay 14%

8th will pay 16%

Etc. etc. up to whatever the ceiling may be with the percentage of 90%.

The only deductions will be a tax credit for home ownership - one home, owner occupied on interest only - local and state taxes.

All income tax levels will pay into social security, Medicare and when war is declared (or even undeclared; all levels will pay a war tax of not less than 5% of the tax they paid in the prior year.

Corporate taxes will also be progressive, small cap, mid cap and large cap will each pay their 'fair share'.

Obviously the numbers are made up, but feel free to offer other ideas and ignore as I will the fools whose only argument is to personally attack the opinions they hold framed for them by Rush Limbaugh or another member of the New Right propaganda purveyors.

How's that Utopia holding up?
Why are Google, MSN, and Apple hiding money off shore again?
You keep trying to play Got Ya with the Rich, yet keep coming up with an empty net.
Why do the Rich pay all of those Tax Lawyers the big bucks again?

Why not just scrap the Tax Code, and start with something from scratch, something less convoluted. Only this time avoid the special Privilege and exemption. Simplify, keep it clear and fair minded.

 

[Uncensored2008]

All income must be reported, as well as any gift over the amount of $1,000, A progressive tax rate will be applied to all income which exceeds the annual rate of poverty (no one pays on the first $xxx of income).

At or under $xxx, 0%; tax levels above 0% will rise in increments based on $15,000; percentages will also: Examples,

First level will pay 2% on gross income;

Next will bay 4%

3rd level will pay 6%

4th level will pay 8%

5th level will pay 10%

6th will pay 12%

7th will pay 14%

8th will pay 16%

Etc. etc. up to whatever the ceiling may be with the percentage of 90%.

The only deductions will be a tax credit for home ownership - one home, owner occupied on interest only - local and state taxes.

All income tax levels will pay into social security, Medicare and when war is declared (or even undeclared; all levels will pay a war tax of not less than 5% of the tax they paid in the prior year.

Corporate taxes will also be progressive, small cap, mid cap and large cap will each pay their 'fair share'.

Obviously the numbers are made up, but feel free to offer other ideas and ignore as I will the fools whose only argument is to personally attack the opinions they hold framed for them by Rush Limbaugh or another member of the New Right propaganda purveyors.

The system you promote was popularized by Karl Marx in the mid-19th century. Since that time, this system has been instituted hundreds of times.

Britain was specifically noted, so let me ask you why it is that with a tax rate reaching 96% in 1978, Britain was in utter collapse, economically. Yet with the reforms of Thatcher, dropping the top marginal to 60%, the GDP rose a whopping 23.3% in 1982? Britain rebounded and became an economic powerhouse in Europe.

Despite this, you claim that the policies that left Britain in the shitter are the answer to economic woes here?

Are you sure you've thought this through? Is your agenda actually economic recovery?