So You Despise Capitalism? Please Give Us Your Alternative...

[bripat9643]

Be careful with simplistic narratives about the evil government versus the innocent entrepreneur. If you look behind the curtain you might discover that commerce has always come from a very complex partnership.

Only a small part of government spending is going to fire codes. You say I'm simplistic, then present me the choice of no government or the massive wasteful pig we have today. And BTW, I'm a libertarian not an anarchist. I believe in limiting government, not eliminating it.

The claim that modern industry couldn't exist without fire codes or building codes doesn't pass the laugh test. When I worked construction, it wasn't the fire department that ensured the building complied with the regulations, it was the company that insured the building. Once insurance companies understand the risk to their financial survival from poorly constructed buildings, no government regulations are required.

The safety of electrical products is enforced by UL (Underwriters Laboratories), a totally private organization. You can't buy an electrical product that doesn't have the UL stamp on it.

Government doesn't do anything that private industry can't do for itself.

 

[bripat9643]

Even a limited government should protect its citizens against predatory Capitalists.

What is a "predatory capitalist," a corporation that sells you something cheaper than its competitors?

 

[Brutus]

I just wanted to take this opportunity to give the Anti-Capitalism crowd a chance to elaborate on their Anti-Capitalism stance. I would also like to give them a chance to explain in an articulate fashion what they would replace Capitalism with. Because in my opinion it's just not enough to 'occupy' and screech slogans. And i'm really not trying to be a smart ass here either. I am very interested in hearing their ideas. Shouting angry slogans at each other wont get us anywhere. So lets hear those ideas on what you want to replace Capitalism with. Thanks.

Have you asked them yet to first define capitalism? I would be interested in their answer. I'll bet there will be a myriad of them...

Capitalism is complicated however I would define it as the private ownership of property and means of production..

I would say capitlaism is and economic system based on free or voluntary transactions between people. The governments role is to foster those transactions, not interfere with them.
between people.

 

[Brutus]

Even a limited government should protect its citizens against predatory Capitalists.

in capitalism you can't be predatory because there is competition to offer customers a better deal. You can naturally be predatory under liberalsm or socialsm because the government limits competition. Health insurance is the prefect example

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Actually Nazis were called National Socialist!! Socialism is left wing!! Why do you think our liberals spied for Stalin? Dealing with liberals is like dealing with small children.

At least you’re consistent in your ignorance.

how can fascists be right wing if they want very powerful central government???

Because they’re all disciples of 19th Century Social Darwinism – ‘the strong survive, the weak perish,’ we see it posted by the right every day in this very forum. American conservatives believe, for example, that ‘social programs’ and ‘government regulation’ ‘interfere’ with the ‘natural order’ of the free markets and elevate those ‘not worthy.’ We see it in the right’s opposition to labor laws, civil rights and due process protection, environmental protection, the myth of ‘affirmative action,’ and last but certainly not least – the hated labor unions.

American conservatives are not fascists nor are they Nazis, but they are all part of the same political family tree.

 

[bripat9643]

How does the government protect its citizens against other types of predators?

Before government can protect you from a predator, it first has to identify the predator. How does one identify a "predatory capitalist?"

There’s been a lot of talk about the legality of many of the actions that preceded the Great Recession. There hasn’t been much in the way of legal repercussions because strictly speaking, many of the actions weren’t illegal. They might have been immoral but that’s a far cry from illegal.

That's right, there has been a lot of talk, but that's all there has been, because no one in private industry did anything illegal.

Clearly we can’t trust the altruistic nature of Capitalists to make them do the right thing so we need our Government to oversee them, tighten the reins and ensure we aren’t put in this position again.

Government created this problem, nitwit. Who is going to protect us from the government?

Those that espouse loosening restrictions, especially so soon after, are simply wrong in my opinion.

As you have so ably demonstrated in your post, your opinion is based on pure ignorance. It isn't worth the bandwidth required to post it.

If you’re going to tell me that the costs of regulation will make everything more expensive I’d reply that it’s nowhere near the costs of the bailout.

Your heroes are the ones who approved the bailouts, dipstick. Their regulations caused the problem. What you want is more of the stuff that caused the problem.

 

[bripat9643]

the railroads have always had govt. backing and monies,is this capitalism? no

Not true. Some railroads have received government subsidies, and they were almost always cesspools of graft and corruption. Most of them went bankrupt.

Railroads are not good examples of the need for government interference in the market.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Have you asked them yet to first define capitalism? I would be interested in their answer. I'll bet there will be a myriad of them...

Capitalism is complicated however I would define it as the private ownership of property and means of production..

I would say capitlaism is and economic system based on free or voluntary transactions between people. The governments role is to foster those transactions, not interfere with them.
between people.

Absolutely but you cant have free trade without capital (or private property) to trade...

I suppose maybe I was too simplistic in my definition...

 

[bripat9643]

The means of production are controlled by what is needed and will sell. That is not capitalism either. As long as corporations are considered people then u will never have a true capitalistic form of economy

Incoherent blather. You obviously aren't capable of rational thought.

 

[bripat9643]

We just need more honest discussion on this. It's time to hash this out. No need to hedge on your opinions here either. If you're Anti-Capitalism,just say it and then elaborate on it. And your ideas on an alternative system will be appreciated. Lets have an open & honest discussion on this.

Are you against the Federal Reserve? If so, why do you hate capitalism?

See what I did there?

(asshole)

The Federal Reserve is a government operation. That is, it's a socialist entity.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Even a limited government should protect its citizens against predatory Capitalists.

in capitalism you can't be predatory because there is competition to offer customers a better deal. You can naturally be predatory under liberalsm or socialsm because the government limits competition. Health insurance is the prefect example

The only way to dictate a capitalist model is to limit its competition then tax and regulate.

The socialist model is a dictated economy..

The premise of socialism er Marxism is forced social and economic outcomes.

 

[initforme]

While I believe capitalism is the best system, it is very clear to anyone with a minute brain that wall street is full of corruption and shenanigans. But as long as those with the biggest pocketbooks continue to thrive off of it, nothing will change so I figure there is nothing we can do to make it better as all the corruption and illbegotten money that is passed under the table, illegally of course, is part of the system. To me this point is inarguable and nobody can possibly come from another angle on this.

 

[bripat9643]

"So You Despise Capitalism? Please Give Us Your Alternative..."

I despose crony capitalism and corruption; I despise Oligrachy's where the wealthy construct and enforce the laws; I despise avarice and bigotry and callous conservatives.

Capitalism is not inherently evil; power tends to corrupt and great wealth creates enormous power. When great wealth is consolidated in the few, the many suffer.

The federal government spends $4 trillion every year, so according to you, it must be incredibly corrupt, right?

Great wealth, expecially when inherited, hold these truths to be invalid: that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Wrong. Socialism holds those truths to be invalid.

 

[Intense]

Personally I prefer to address and root out corruption over, trading Masters. What You advocate does not address corruption beyond the point of who gets to hold the reigns. Wake up. Look what is going on in Health Care now that Government is moving in, how many procedures are being deemed unnecessary out of the blue? Why? Cost? The more Government is involved, the more denial of service you will see. That is just one example. How much from ourselves do we need to sacrifice to the State, who spends arbitrarily without conscience, before it is satisfied? It will never be satisfied, ever. There will never be enough for It's appetite. WTFU.

 

[Uncensored2008]

No they're not....

Progressive income tax and inheritance tax are not big issues to the democrats?

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Uncensored2008]

At least you’re consistent in your ignorance.


Because they’re all disciples of 19th Century Social Darwinism – ‘the strong survive, the weak perish,’ we see it posted by the right every day in this very forum.

{Darwin's discovery is the highest triumph of the dialectic in the whole field of organic matter.} Fredrich Engles - The Dialectics of Nature

Good fuck but you're stupid - and the irony of you calling another "ignorant."

Darwin is one of the MAJOR underpinnings of Marxism. By pointing out that both National Socialism and Marxist Socialism are founded on Darwinism, you further expose the "big lie" technique in action.

Yes sparky, you've effectively shown that in this too - Nazism is the same as all the other flavors of socialism.

Was that your intent?

American conservatives believe, for example, that ‘social programs’ and ‘government regulation’ ‘interfere’ with the ‘natural order’ of the free markets and elevate those ‘not worthy.’

So social conservatives are big proponents of Darwin, huh? Guess that's why you see them out there demanding that creationism, intelligent design or other blasphemous ideas be illegal to mention or discuss in schools...

We see it in the right’s opposition to labor laws, civil rights and due process protection, environmental protection, the myth of ‘affirmative action,’ and last but certainly not least – the hated labor unions.

American conservatives are not fascists nor are they Nazis, but they are all part of the same political family tree.

Are you REALLY as stupid as you present yourself, or are you just such a fucking liar that you appear dumb as a pile of dog shit?

 

[Uncensored2008]

The Federal Reserve is a government operation. That is, it's a socialist entity.

Technically, the Federal Reserve is classical fascism, a merger of government and favored corporations.

 

[konradv]

The Federal Reserve is a government operation. That is, it's a socialist entity.

Technically, the Federal Reserve is classical fascism, a merger of government and favored corporations.

In other words, your bread and butter!!!

 

[paulitician]

I'm definitely open to hearing about a better system. I know our system isn't perfect but it's what we are.

 

[konradv]

I'm definitely open to hearing about a better system. I know our system isn't perfect but it's what we are.

Get Money Out

'Nuff said.