So the christian jesus was all about peace ?

[irosie91]

******like the Pharisees they vied for influence with the royal court and the Roman rulers and opposed this person Jesus******

THE most strikingly bull crap statement made in the history of Penelope and the POOP-----after hundreds of posts in which
Penelope insists DA JEWS REBELLED AGAINST ROME so da romans had a right to trash the temple----she now claims that the PHARISEES---(aka ----rebels against roman filth) VIED FOR THE FAVOR OF HER FELLOW SLOBS WHO FED PEOPLE TO THEIR PET LIONS

 

[irosie91]

Both.

"both"? both chocolate and vanilla? Is that what your catechism whore told you?
***both*** ----"always say 'both' when you don't know the answer"

Shame one would think you , both declared jews, would want to know the Christian, and Rome knows it.


The Pharisees criticized Jesus and his disciples for not keeping the law and consorting with sinners. Jesus in reply called them hypocrites and accused them of leading people astray, of corruption, betraying the heritage of the Jewish prophets, and generally having their religious priorities mixed up.

There was another side to the Pharisees. By bringing Jewish religious life out of the Temple and into homes, synagogues, and the lives of everyday people, as well as advocating the continuing interpretation of the Torah, they helped preserve Jewish tradition after the destruction of the Temple in A.D. 70. But they had a big problem with Jesus' taking on the authority of God-healing people, setting himself up as the interpreter of the law, and forgiving sins.



As did the Sadducees. They saw their role as upholding traditional practices and beliefs, and they resolutely defended worship at the Jerusalem Temple as the action that maintained the covenant between God and Israel. Though they differed with the Pharisees over belief in resurrection, like the Pharisees they vied for influence with the royal court and the Roman rulers and opposed this person Jesus, who challenged just about every religious authority he encountered.



We see more members of the Israelite power elite in the elders, chief priests, and scribes. The elders acted as community leaders and judges. The chief priests were members of the high priestly families or those acting with the authority of the high priest, while the scribes with whom Jesus argued were probably lawyers and judges. While the scribes interpreted Jewish law, they did not make it, hence their conflicts with Jesus, who claimed authority over the law.


Who were the Pharisees, Sadducees, scribes, chief priests, and elders?

And now you know.

OMG!! A Link to a CATHOLIC site!!!
I'm SHOCKED!!! Simply SHOCKED!!!

it is not complex-----the catholic version of history is------JESUS SAID WORSHIP THE ROMAN EMPEROR, HE IS LIKE GOD.
The then POPEs took on the role of ROMAN EMPEROR along with priests as DEPUTIES

Not worship, but give to Caesars what is Caesars. Most Caesars were deified upon their death. Relax I don't hole you responsible for the death of Jesus. The peasant jews liked Jesus, he gave them hope, some got upset when he cut the literal bread out though.

right----caesars get deified ---just like lots of POOPS get deified and just like Jesus was
"DEIFIED" Not a new custom in rome----lots of people---if they could pay enough----got DEIFIED in pre Christian----and Post Christian---ROME -----what was that last bit of roman historic revisionism?

 

[irosie91]

BTW it was MARK-----the mushroom addled person who came up with the ----"render unto Caesar........" comment-------I have always considered it a kind of DON RICKLES STAND UP COMEDY ROUTINE as in----give'em a kick in the ass-----remember --Mark also invented the seven headed monster with the whore on top

 

[Penelope]

"both"? both chocolate and vanilla? Is that what your catechism whore told you?
***both*** ----"always say 'both' when you don't know the answer"

Shame one would think you , both declared jews, would want to know the Christian, and Rome knows it.


The Pharisees criticized Jesus and his disciples for not keeping the law and consorting with sinners. Jesus in reply called them hypocrites and accused them of leading people astray, of corruption, betraying the heritage of the Jewish prophets, and generally having their religious priorities mixed up.

There was another side to the Pharisees. By bringing Jewish religious life out of the Temple and into homes, synagogues, and the lives of everyday people, as well as advocating the continuing interpretation of the Torah, they helped preserve Jewish tradition after the destruction of the Temple in A.D. 70. But they had a big problem with Jesus' taking on the authority of God-healing people, setting himself up as the interpreter of the law, and forgiving sins.



As did the Sadducees. They saw their role as upholding traditional practices and beliefs, and they resolutely defended worship at the Jerusalem Temple as the action that maintained the covenant between God and Israel. Though they differed with the Pharisees over belief in resurrection, like the Pharisees they vied for influence with the royal court and the Roman rulers and opposed this person Jesus, who challenged just about every religious authority he encountered.



We see more members of the Israelite power elite in the elders, chief priests, and scribes. The elders acted as community leaders and judges. The chief priests were members of the high priestly families or those acting with the authority of the high priest, while the scribes with whom Jesus argued were probably lawyers and judges. While the scribes interpreted Jewish law, they did not make it, hence their conflicts with Jesus, who claimed authority over the law.


Who were the Pharisees, Sadducees, scribes, chief priests, and elders?

And now you know.

OMG!! A Link to a CATHOLIC site!!!
I'm SHOCKED!!! Simply SHOCKED!!!

it is not complex-----the catholic version of history is------JESUS SAID WORSHIP THE ROMAN EMPEROR, HE IS LIKE GOD.
The then POPEs took on the role of ROMAN EMPEROR along with priests as DEPUTIES

Not worship, but give to Caesars what is Caesars. Most Caesars were deified upon their death. Relax I don't hole you responsible for the death of Jesus. The peasant jews liked Jesus, he gave them hope, some got upset when he cut the literal bread out though.

right----caesars get deified ---just like lots of POOPS get deified and just like Jesus was
"DEIFIED" Not a new custom in rome----lots of people---if they could pay enough----got DEIFIED in pre Christian----and Post Christian---ROME -----what was that last bit of roman historic revisionism?

No only some Caesars, Popes do not get deified. George Washington also ascended on the ceiling of the capital.

"both"? both chocolate and vanilla? Is that what your catechism whore told you?
***both*** ----"always say 'both' when you don't know the answer"

Shame one would think you , both declared jews, would want to know the Christian, and Rome knows it.


The Pharisees criticized Jesus and his disciples for not keeping the law and consorting with sinners. Jesus in reply called them hypocrites and accused them of leading people astray, of corruption, betraying the heritage of the Jewish prophets, and generally having their religious priorities mixed up.

There was another side to the Pharisees. By bringing Jewish religious life out of the Temple and into homes, synagogues, and the lives of everyday people, as well as advocating the continuing interpretation of the Torah, they helped preserve Jewish tradition after the destruction of the Temple in A.D. 70. But they had a big problem with Jesus' taking on the authority of God-healing people, setting himself up as the interpreter of the law, and forgiving sins.



As did the Sadducees. They saw their role as upholding traditional practices and beliefs, and they resolutely defended worship at the Jerusalem Temple as the action that maintained the covenant between God and Israel. Though they differed with the Pharisees over belief in resurrection, like the Pharisees they vied for influence with the royal court and the Roman rulers and opposed this person Jesus, who challenged just about every religious authority he encountered.



We see more members of the Israelite power elite in the elders, chief priests, and scribes. The elders acted as community leaders and judges. The chief priests were members of the high priestly families or those acting with the authority of the high priest, while the scribes with whom Jesus argued were probably lawyers and judges. While the scribes interpreted Jewish law, they did not make it, hence their conflicts with Jesus, who claimed authority over the law.


Who were the Pharisees, Sadducees, scribes, chief priests, and elders?

And now you know.

OMG!! A Link to a CATHOLIC site!!!
I'm SHOCKED!!! Simply SHOCKED!!!

it is not complex-----the catholic version of history is------JESUS SAID WORSHIP THE ROMAN EMPEROR, HE IS LIKE GOD.
The then POPEs took on the role of ROMAN EMPEROR along with priests as DEPUTIES

Not worship, but give to Caesars what is Caesars. Most Caesars were deified upon their death. Relax I don't hole you responsible for the death of Jesus. The peasant jews liked Jesus, he gave them hope, some got upset when he cut the literal bread out though.

right----caesars get deified ---just like lots of POOPS get deified and just like Jesus was
"DEIFIED" Not a new custom in rome----lots of people---if they could pay enough----got DEIFIED in pre Christian----and Post Christian---ROME -----what was that last bit of roman historic revisionism?

No only some Caesars and no Popes. See a pic of George Washington's Apotheosis in the capital.

Vespasian became deified and well his son Titus become the son of a God. The first true biological descendant of a deified Emperor, and then his brother also did, the "holy trinity".

 

[irosie91]

Shame one would think you , both declared jews, would want to know the Christian, and Rome knows it.


The Pharisees criticized Jesus and his disciples for not keeping the law and consorting with sinners. Jesus in reply called them hypocrites and accused them of leading people astray, of corruption, betraying the heritage of the Jewish prophets, and generally having their religious priorities mixed up.

There was another side to the Pharisees. By bringing Jewish religious life out of the Temple and into homes, synagogues, and the lives of everyday people, as well as advocating the continuing interpretation of the Torah, they helped preserve Jewish tradition after the destruction of the Temple in A.D. 70. But they had a big problem with Jesus' taking on the authority of God-healing people, setting himself up as the interpreter of the law, and forgiving sins.



As did the Sadducees. They saw their role as upholding traditional practices and beliefs, and they resolutely defended worship at the Jerusalem Temple as the action that maintained the covenant between God and Israel. Though they differed with the Pharisees over belief in resurrection, like the Pharisees they vied for influence with the royal court and the Roman rulers and opposed this person Jesus, who challenged just about every religious authority he encountered.



We see more members of the Israelite power elite in the elders, chief priests, and scribes. The elders acted as community leaders and judges. The chief priests were members of the high priestly families or those acting with the authority of the high priest, while the scribes with whom Jesus argued were probably lawyers and judges. While the scribes interpreted Jewish law, they did not make it, hence their conflicts with Jesus, who claimed authority over the law.


Who were the Pharisees, Sadducees, scribes, chief priests, and elders?

And now you know.

OMG!! A Link to a CATHOLIC site!!!
I'm SHOCKED!!! Simply SHOCKED!!!

it is not complex-----the catholic version of history is------JESUS SAID WORSHIP THE ROMAN EMPEROR, HE IS LIKE GOD.
The then POPEs took on the role of ROMAN EMPEROR along with priests as DEPUTIES

Not worship, but give to Caesars what is Caesars. Most Caesars were deified upon their death. Relax I don't hole you responsible for the death of Jesus. The peasant jews liked Jesus, he gave them hope, some got upset when he cut the literal bread out though.

right----caesars get deified ---just like lots of POOPS get deified and just like Jesus was
"DEIFIED" Not a new custom in rome----lots of people---if they could pay enough----got DEIFIED in pre Christian----and Post Christian---ROME -----what was that last bit of roman historic revisionism?

No only some Caesars, Popes do not get deified. George Washington also ascended on the ceiling of the capital.

Shame one would think you , both declared jews, would want to know the Christian, and Rome knows it.


The Pharisees criticized Jesus and his disciples for not keeping the law and consorting with sinners. Jesus in reply called them hypocrites and accused them of leading people astray, of corruption, betraying the heritage of the Jewish prophets, and generally having their religious priorities mixed up.

There was another side to the Pharisees. By bringing Jewish religious life out of the Temple and into homes, synagogues, and the lives of everyday people, as well as advocating the continuing interpretation of the Torah, they helped preserve Jewish tradition after the destruction of the Temple in A.D. 70. But they had a big problem with Jesus' taking on the authority of God-healing people, setting himself up as the interpreter of the law, and forgiving sins.



As did the Sadducees. They saw their role as upholding traditional practices and beliefs, and they resolutely defended worship at the Jerusalem Temple as the action that maintained the covenant between God and Israel. Though they differed with the Pharisees over belief in resurrection, like the Pharisees they vied for influence with the royal court and the Roman rulers and opposed this person Jesus, who challenged just about every religious authority he encountered.



We see more members of the Israelite power elite in the elders, chief priests, and scribes. The elders acted as community leaders and judges. The chief priests were members of the high priestly families or those acting with the authority of the high priest, while the scribes with whom Jesus argued were probably lawyers and judges. While the scribes interpreted Jewish law, they did not make it, hence their conflicts with Jesus, who claimed authority over the law.


Who were the Pharisees, Sadducees, scribes, chief priests, and elders?

And now you know.

OMG!! A Link to a CATHOLIC site!!!
I'm SHOCKED!!! Simply SHOCKED!!!

it is not complex-----the catholic version of history is------JESUS SAID WORSHIP THE ROMAN EMPEROR, HE IS LIKE GOD.
The then POPEs took on the role of ROMAN EMPEROR along with priests as DEPUTIES

Not worship, but give to Caesars what is Caesars. Most Caesars were deified upon their death. Relax I don't hole you responsible for the death of Jesus. The peasant jews liked Jesus, he gave them hope, some got upset when he cut the literal bread out though.

right----caesars get deified ---just like lots of POOPS get deified and just like Jesus was
"DEIFIED" Not a new custom in rome----lots of people---if they could pay enough----got DEIFIED in pre Christian----and Post Christian---ROME -----what was that last bit of roman historic revisionism?

No only some Caesars and no Popes. See a pic of George Washington's Apotheosis in the capital.

Vespasian became deified and well his son Titus become the son of a God. The first true biological descendant of a deified Emperor, and then his brother also did, the "holy trinity".

your idiot point? CANONIZATION BY THE POOP----to the level of SAINT----is the same as the pre-Christian --barbaric roman ---DEIFICATION thing-----it is still happening---an historic comedy

 

[Penelope]

OMG!! A Link to a CATHOLIC site!!!
I'm SHOCKED!!! Simply SHOCKED!!!

it is not complex-----the catholic version of history is------JESUS SAID WORSHIP THE ROMAN EMPEROR, HE IS LIKE GOD.
The then POPEs took on the role of ROMAN EMPEROR along with priests as DEPUTIES

Not worship, but give to Caesars what is Caesars. Most Caesars were deified upon their death. Relax I don't hole you responsible for the death of Jesus. The peasant jews liked Jesus, he gave them hope, some got upset when he cut the literal bread out though.

right----caesars get deified ---just like lots of POOPS get deified and just like Jesus was
"DEIFIED" Not a new custom in rome----lots of people---if they could pay enough----got DEIFIED in pre Christian----and Post Christian---ROME -----what was that last bit of roman historic revisionism?

No only some Caesars, Popes do not get deified. George Washington also ascended on the ceiling of the capital.

OMG!! A Link to a CATHOLIC site!!!
I'm SHOCKED!!! Simply SHOCKED!!!

it is not complex-----the catholic version of history is------JESUS SAID WORSHIP THE ROMAN EMPEROR, HE IS LIKE GOD.
The then POPEs took on the role of ROMAN EMPEROR along with priests as DEPUTIES

Not worship, but give to Caesars what is Caesars. Most Caesars were deified upon their death. Relax I don't hole you responsible for the death of Jesus. The peasant jews liked Jesus, he gave them hope, some got upset when he cut the literal bread out though.

right----caesars get deified ---just like lots of POOPS get deified and just like Jesus was
"DEIFIED" Not a new custom in rome----lots of people---if they could pay enough----got DEIFIED in pre Christian----and Post Christian---ROME -----what was that last bit of roman historic revisionism?

No only some Caesars and no Popes. See a pic of George Washington's Apotheosis in the capital.

Vespasian became deified and well his son Titus become the son of a God. The first true biological descendant of a deified Emperor, and then his brother also did, the "holy trinity".

your idiot point? CANONIZATION BY THE POOP----to the level of SAINT----is the same as the pre-Christian --barbaric roman ---DEIFICATION thing-----it is still happening---an historic comedy

Saints are not Gods, lesser baby gods. In the RCC catechism, it says Jesus became a man so we might become gods. I keep telling people that Christianity is Roman and Greek but they insist its a fulfillment of Judaism , of course its that as well.

 

[Indeependent]

it is not complex-----the catholic version of history is------JESUS SAID WORSHIP THE ROMAN EMPEROR, HE IS LIKE GOD.
The then POPEs took on the role of ROMAN EMPEROR along with priests as DEPUTIES

Not worship, but give to Caesars what is Caesars. Most Caesars were deified upon their death. Relax I don't hole you responsible for the death of Jesus. The peasant jews liked Jesus, he gave them hope, some got upset when he cut the literal bread out though.

right----caesars get deified ---just like lots of POOPS get deified and just like Jesus was
"DEIFIED" Not a new custom in rome----lots of people---if they could pay enough----got DEIFIED in pre Christian----and Post Christian---ROME -----what was that last bit of roman historic revisionism?

No only some Caesars, Popes do not get deified. George Washington also ascended on the ceiling of the capital.

it is not complex-----the catholic version of history is------JESUS SAID WORSHIP THE ROMAN EMPEROR, HE IS LIKE GOD.
The then POPEs took on the role of ROMAN EMPEROR along with priests as DEPUTIES

Not worship, but give to Caesars what is Caesars. Most Caesars were deified upon their death. Relax I don't hole you responsible for the death of Jesus. The peasant jews liked Jesus, he gave them hope, some got upset when he cut the literal bread out though.

right----caesars get deified ---just like lots of POOPS get deified and just like Jesus was
"DEIFIED" Not a new custom in rome----lots of people---if they could pay enough----got DEIFIED in pre Christian----and Post Christian---ROME -----what was that last bit of roman historic revisionism?

No only some Caesars and no Popes. See a pic of George Washington's Apotheosis in the capital.

Vespasian became deified and well his son Titus become the son of a God. The first true biological descendant of a deified Emperor, and then his brother also did, the "holy trinity".

your idiot point? CANONIZATION BY THE POOP----to the level of SAINT----is the same as the pre-Christian --barbaric roman ---DEIFICATION thing-----it is still happening---an historic comedy

they insist its a fulfillment of Judaism , of course its that as well.

^
Sign of ignorance.

 

[irosie91]

it is not complex-----the catholic version of history is------JESUS SAID WORSHIP THE ROMAN EMPEROR, HE IS LIKE GOD.
The then POPEs took on the role of ROMAN EMPEROR along with priests as DEPUTIES

Not worship, but give to Caesars what is Caesars. Most Caesars were deified upon their death. Relax I don't hole you responsible for the death of Jesus. The peasant jews liked Jesus, he gave them hope, some got upset when he cut the literal bread out though.

right----caesars get deified ---just like lots of POOPS get deified and just like Jesus was
"DEIFIED" Not a new custom in rome----lots of people---if they could pay enough----got DEIFIED in pre Christian----and Post Christian---ROME -----what was that last bit of roman historic revisionism?

No only some Caesars, Popes do not get deified. George Washington also ascended on the ceiling of the capital.

it is not complex-----the catholic version of history is------JESUS SAID WORSHIP THE ROMAN EMPEROR, HE IS LIKE GOD.
The then POPEs took on the role of ROMAN EMPEROR along with priests as DEPUTIES

Not worship, but give to Caesars what is Caesars. Most Caesars were deified upon their death. Relax I don't hole you responsible for the death of Jesus. The peasant jews liked Jesus, he gave them hope, some got upset when he cut the literal bread out though.

right----caesars get deified ---just like lots of POOPS get deified and just like Jesus was
"DEIFIED" Not a new custom in rome----lots of people---if they could pay enough----got DEIFIED in pre Christian----and Post Christian---ROME -----what was that last bit of roman historic revisionism?

No only some Caesars and no Popes. See a pic of George Washington's Apotheosis in the capital.

Vespasian became deified and well his son Titus become the son of a God. The first true biological descendant of a deified Emperor, and then his brother also did, the "holy trinity".

your idiot point? CANONIZATION BY THE POOP----to the level of SAINT----is the same as the pre-Christian --barbaric roman ---DEIFICATION thing-----it is still happening---an historic comedy

Saints are not Gods, lesser baby gods. In the RCC catechism, it says Jesus became a man so we might become gods. I keep telling people that Christianity is Roman and Greek but they insist its a fulfillment of Judaism , of course its that as well.

Christianity has very little to do with Judaism. AT THE BEGINNING it did---probably ---but pre Constantine Christianity is a mystery since the council of nicea redacted the records. It seems to me that---if we can believe the writings Paul was supposed to have done---that he was person of greek background----whose came from a background of converts to Judaism ----and decided to ADAPT the Christian sect to the cultures of rome and Greece. --------in doing so he INVENTED a new Jesus that had very little to do with the
real jesus who was a typical PHARISEE political --"activist". Typically he quote HILLEL incessantly----he was literate---educated in the manner that regular average Pharisee kids were educated and died in the usual Pharisee manner-----the romans crucified him. In order to make the religion palatable to ROMANS----he had to invent a NON ROMAN murder for Jesus----which he did in a very awkward and not credible manner. The ruse SNOW-BALLED

 

[emilynghiem]

Matt;

10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brothers, and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Luke 22:36
He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

While the idea of Jesus as the paragon of niceness and non-violence sits well in the christians delusions and imagination, it is not true according to their own "holy" book

Ask any Muslim what happens to him when he converts to Christianity. There's your sword.

The implications of the claim that Mohammed was the last and greatest prophet is that Mohammed was the fulfillment of both the second coming of Christ and the fulfillment of Jewish messianic expectations, something Christians and Jews will never accept.

As such many feel morally justified and even obligated to kill all who do not accept Mohammed based on luke 19:27. where they believe that Jesus himself predicted that he would order the murder of unbelievers when he returned which is exactly what Mohammed did, ordered the murder of unbelievers, even though the verse was never intended to be taken literally and is a subtle teaching about the hidden subject of ritual slaughter that has literally nothing to do with killing anybody..

"But as for those enemies of mine who would not have me for their king, bring them here and slaughter them in my presence."

Not true hobelim M
Unlike the way you teach it falsely, many Jews Christians and Muslims do live in peace by accepting to put God authority first above man made interpretations that divide politically. These ways are false and will not prevail.

What you cite at the end is still the old school Retribution Justice of divide and conquer, Judge reject and punish.

That is against the final message in both Christianity and Islam that teach God's laws leading to peace for all humanity.

You are still preaching OT ways that lead to death.

We are in the NT stages that bring new life. That is the way of God through Christ Jesus through Restorative Justice that brings unity by agreement in truth.

The false ways of teaching as you point out bring division war and death. That is why no true believer will accept that false way of teaching. Thanks for pointing this out why it fails. Because it is false.

Only God's true laws will unite because they by definition will be universal to all ppl tribes and nations. So this will work to bring justice unity and peace, while false teaching 's fail and bring war.

 

[emilynghiem]

Not worship, but give to Caesars what is Caesars. Most Caesars were deified upon their death. Relax I don't hole you responsible for the death of Jesus. The peasant jews liked Jesus, he gave them hope, some got upset when he cut the literal bread out though.

right----caesars get deified ---just like lots of POOPS get deified and just like Jesus was
"DEIFIED" Not a new custom in rome----lots of people---if they could pay enough----got DEIFIED in pre Christian----and Post Christian---ROME -----what was that last bit of roman historic revisionism?

No only some Caesars, Popes do not get deified. George Washington also ascended on the ceiling of the capital.

Not worship, but give to Caesars what is Caesars. Most Caesars were deified upon their death. Relax I don't hole you responsible for the death of Jesus. The peasant jews liked Jesus, he gave them hope, some got upset when he cut the literal bread out though.

right----caesars get deified ---just like lots of POOPS get deified and just like Jesus was
"DEIFIED" Not a new custom in rome----lots of people---if they could pay enough----got DEIFIED in pre Christian----and Post Christian---ROME -----what was that last bit of roman historic revisionism?

No only some Caesars and no Popes. See a pic of George Washington's Apotheosis in the capital.

Vespasian became deified and well his son Titus become the son of a God. The first true biological descendant of a deified Emperor, and then his brother also did, the "holy trinity".

your idiot point? CANONIZATION BY THE POOP----to the level of SAINT----is the same as the pre-Christian --barbaric roman ---DEIFICATION thing-----it is still happening---an historic comedy

Saints are not Gods, lesser baby gods. In the RCC catechism, it says Jesus became a man so we might become gods. I keep telling people that Christianity is Roman and Greek but they insist its a fulfillment of Judaism , of course its that as well.

Christianity has very little to do with Judaism. AT THE BEGINNING it did---probably ---but pre Constantine Christianity is a mystery since the council of nicea redacted the records. It seems to me that---if we can believe the writings Paul was supposed to have done---that he was person of greek background----whose came from a background of converts to Judaism ----and decided to ADAPT the Christian sect to the cultures of rome and Greece. --------in doing so he INVENTED a new Jesus that had very little to do with the
real jesus who was a typical PHARISEE political --"activist". Typically he quote HILLEL incessantly----he was literate---educated in the manner that regular average Pharisee kids were educated and died in the usual Pharisee manner-----the romans crucified him. In order to make the religion palatable to ROMANS----he had to invent a NON ROMAN murder for Jesus----which he did in a very awkward and not credible manner. The ruse SNOW-BALLED

Dear irosie91 only the true Christian teachings and practice are consistent and fulfill Jewish lineage and traditions. You are quite right that the destructive abusive practices of Christianity contradict Jewish, but also violate their own principles.

I am not talking about these false abusive misteachings of God that lead to wrongs.

The true teachings reconcile both Jewish and Christian together in harmony as many Jews and Christians have discovered and live by in peace. The conflicts and contradictions come from wrongful abuses that are not true Christianity but against God's laws as recognized by both Jews and Christians

 

[guno]

right----caesars get deified ---just like lots of POOPS get deified and just like Jesus was
"DEIFIED" Not a new custom in rome----lots of people---if they could pay enough----got DEIFIED in pre Christian----and Post Christian---ROME -----what was that last bit of roman historic revisionism?

No only some Caesars, Popes do not get deified. George Washington also ascended on the ceiling of the capital.

right----caesars get deified ---just like lots of POOPS get deified and just like Jesus was
"DEIFIED" Not a new custom in rome----lots of people---if they could pay enough----got DEIFIED in pre Christian----and Post Christian---ROME -----what was that last bit of roman historic revisionism?

No only some Caesars and no Popes. See a pic of George Washington's Apotheosis in the capital.

Vespasian became deified and well his son Titus become the son of a God. The first true biological descendant of a deified Emperor, and then his brother also did, the "holy trinity".

your idiot point? CANONIZATION BY THE POOP----to the level of SAINT----is the same as the pre-Christian --barbaric roman ---DEIFICATION thing-----it is still happening---an historic comedy

Saints are not Gods, lesser baby gods. In the RCC catechism, it says Jesus became a man so we might become gods. I keep telling people that Christianity is Roman and Greek but they insist its a fulfillment of Judaism , of course its that as well.

Christianity has very little to do with Judaism. AT THE BEGINNING it did---probably ---but pre Constantine Christianity is a mystery since the council of nicea redacted the records. It seems to me that---if we can believe the writings Paul was supposed to have done---that he was person of greek background----whose came from a background of converts to Judaism ----and decided to ADAPT the Christian sect to the cultures of rome and Greece. --------in doing so he INVENTED a new Jesus that had very little to do with the
real jesus who was a typical PHARISEE political --"activist". Typically he quote HILLEL incessantly----he was literate---educated in the manner that regular average Pharisee kids were educated and died in the usual Pharisee manner-----the romans crucified him. In order to make the religion palatable to ROMANS----he had to invent a NON ROMAN murder for Jesus----which he did in a very awkward and not credible manner. The ruse SNOW-BALLED

Dear irosie91 only the true Christian teachings and practice are consistent and fulfill Jewish lineage and traditions. You are quite right that the destructive abusive practices of Christianity contradict Jewish, but also violate their own principles.

I am not talking about these false abusive misteachings of God that lead to wrongs.

The true teachings reconcile both Jewish and Christian together in harmony as many Jews and Christians have discovered and live by in peace. The conflicts and contradictions come from wrongful abuses that are not true Christianity but against God's laws as recognized by both Jews and Christians

Why Jews Don't Believe In Jesus
For 2,000 years Jews have rejected the Christian idea of Jesus as messiah. Why
Why Jews Don't Believe In Jesus

Descendant of David
Many prophetic passages speak of a descendant of King David who will rule Israel during the age of perfection. (Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5)

The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10, Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Ezekiel 34:23-24). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father – and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David. (1)

According to Jewish sources, the Messiah will be born of human parents and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, (2) nor will he possess supernatural qualities.


Far from “sharing” one tradition, Jews are prohibited from marrying Christians, setting foot inside a Christian church—and we can’t even drink from an open bottle of kosher wine that has been used by a Christian. We reject the Christian idea of salvation, we abhor Christian divine teachings on every subject, and we are repulsed and outraged by incessant attempts by Christian missionaries to bring us into their fold.


Incidentally, we have more in common with Muslims than we do with Christians; Jewish law permits Jews to enter a mosque… but not a church.

To insist that we have some kind of bond with religious Christians because of similar core values, is to propagate a terrible lie. Christians who base their views on what they call the Old Testament, don’t view Mosaic law as an abiding legal text. The Church has abolished Torah law as part of its attempt to abolish the very idea of Jewish nationhood.

 

[Penelope]

Not worship, but give to Caesars what is Caesars. Most Caesars were deified upon their death. Relax I don't hole you responsible for the death of Jesus. The peasant jews liked Jesus, he gave them hope, some got upset when he cut the literal bread out though.

right----caesars get deified ---just like lots of POOPS get deified and just like Jesus was
"DEIFIED" Not a new custom in rome----lots of people---if they could pay enough----got DEIFIED in pre Christian----and Post Christian---ROME -----what was that last bit of roman historic revisionism?

No only some Caesars and no Popes. See a pic of George Washington's Apotheosis in the capital.

Vespasian became deified and well his son Titus become the son of a God. The first true biological descendant of a deified Emperor, and then his brother also did, the "holy trinity". [/QUOTE]

your idiot point? CANONIZATION BY THE POOP----to the level of SAINT----is the same as the pre-Christian --barbaric roman ---DEIFICATION thing-----it is still happening---an historic comedy[/QUOTE]

Saints are not Gods, lesser baby gods. In the RCC catechism, it says Jesus became a man so we might become gods. I keep telling people that Christianity is Roman and Greek but they insist its a fulfillment of Judaism , of course its that as well.[/QUOTE]

Christianity has very little to do with Judaism. AT THE BEGINNING it did---probably ---but pre Constantine Christianity is a mystery since the council of nicea redacted the records. It seems to me that---if we can believe the writings Paul was supposed to have done---that he was person of greek background----whose came from a background of converts to Judaism ----and decided to ADAPT the Christian sect to the cultures of rome and Greece. --------in doing so he INVENTED a new Jesus that had very little to do with the
real jesus who was a typical PHARISEE political --"activist". Typically he quote HILLEL incessantly----he was literate---educated in the manner that regular average Pharisee kids were educated and died in the usual Pharisee manner-----the romans crucified him. In order to make the religion palatable to ROMANS----he had to invent a NON ROMAN murder for Jesus----which he did in a very awkward and not credible manner. The ruse SNOW-BALLED[/QUOTE]

Not worship, but give to Caesars what is Caesars. Most Caesars were deified upon their death. Relax I don't hole you responsible for the death of Jesus. The peasant jews liked Jesus, he gave them hope, some got upset when he cut the literal bread out though.

right----caesars get deified ---just like lots of POOPS get deified and just like Jesus was
"DEIFIED" Not a new custom in rome----lots of people---if they could pay enough----got DEIFIED in pre Christian----and Post Christian---ROME -----what was that last bit of roman historic revisionism?

No only some Caesars, Popes do not get deified. George Washington also ascended on the ceiling of the capital.

Not worship, but give to Caesars what is Caesars. Most Caesars were deified upon their death. Relax I don't hole you responsible for the death of Jesus. The peasant jews liked Jesus, he gave them hope, some got upset when he cut the literal bread out though.

right----caesars get deified ---just like lots of POOPS get deified and just like Jesus was
"DEIFIED" Not a new custom in rome----lots of people---if they could pay enough----got DEIFIED in pre Christian----and Post Christian---ROME -----what was that last bit of roman historic revisionism?

No only some Caesars and no Popes. See a pic of George Washington's Apotheosis in the capital.

Vespasian became deified and well his son Titus become the son of a God. The first true biological descendant of a deified Emperor, and then his brother also did, the "holy trinity".

your idiot point? CANONIZATION BY THE POOP----to the level of SAINT----is the same as the pre-Christian --barbaric roman ---DEIFICATION thing-----it is still happening---an historic comedy

Saints are not Gods, lesser baby gods. In the RCC catechism, it says Jesus became a man so we might become gods. I keep telling people that Christianity is Roman and Greek but they insist its a fulfillment of Judaism , of course its that as well.

Christianity has very little to do with Judaism. AT THE BEGINNING it did---probably ---but pre Constantine Christianity is a mystery since the council of nicea redacted the records. It seems to me that---if we can believe the writings Paul was supposed to have done---that he was person of greek background----whose came from a background of converts to Judaism ----and decided to ADAPT the Christian sect to the cultures of rome and Greece. --------in doing so he INVENTED a new Jesus that had very little to do with the
real jesus who was a typical PHARISEE political --"activist". Typically he quote HILLEL incessantly----he was literate---educated in the manner that regular average Pharisee kids were educated and died in the usual Pharisee manner-----the romans crucified him. In order to make the religion palatable to ROMANS----he had to invent a NON ROMAN murder for Jesus----which he did in a very awkward and not credible manner. The ruse SNOW-BALLED

I think Josephus is Paul, one and the same.

 

[irosie91]

Matt;

10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brothers, and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Luke 22:36
He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

While the idea of Jesus as the paragon of niceness and non-violence sits well in the christians delusions and imagination, it is not true according to their own "holy" book

Ask any Muslim what happens to him when he converts to Christianity. There's your sword.

The implications of the claim that Mohammed was the last and greatest prophet is that Mohammed was the fulfillment of both the second coming of Christ and the fulfillment of Jewish messianic expectations, something Christians and Jews will never accept.

As such many feel morally justified and even obligated to kill all who do not accept Mohammed based on luke 19:27. where they believe that Jesus himself predicted that he would order the murder of unbelievers when he returned which is exactly what Mohammed did, ordered the murder of unbelievers, even though the verse was never intended to be taken literally and is a subtle teaching about the hidden subject of ritual slaughter that has literally nothing to do with killing anybody..

"But as for those enemies of mine who would not have me for their king, bring them here and slaughter them in my presence."

Not true hobelim M
Unlike the way you teach it falsely, many Jews Christians and Muslims do live in peace by accepting to put God authority first above man made interpretations that divide politically. These ways are false and will not prevail.

What you cite at the end is still the old school Retribution Justice of divide and conquer, Judge reject and punish.

That is against the final message in both Christianity and Islam that teach God's laws leading to peace for all humanity.

You are still preaching OT ways that lead to death.

We are in the NT stages that bring new life. That is the way of God through Christ Jesus through Restorative Justice that brings unity by agreement in truth.

The false ways of teaching as you point out bring division war and death. That is why no true believer will accept that false way of teaching. Thanks for pointing this out why it fails. Because it is false.

Only God's true laws will unite because they by definition will be universal to all ppl tribes and nations. So this will work to bring justice unity and peace, while false teaching 's fail and bring war.

Emily you know nothing about actual jewish
jurisprudence or Islamic jurisprudence. As to your representation of Christian jurisprudence----I will not comment

 

[irosie91]

Not worship, but give to Caesars what is Caesars. Most Caesars were deified upon their death. Relax I don't hole you responsible for the death of Jesus. The peasant jews liked Jesus, he gave them hope, some got upset when he cut the literal bread out though.

right----caesars get deified ---just like lots of POOPS get deified and just like Jesus was
"DEIFIED" Not a new custom in rome----lots of people---if they could pay enough----got DEIFIED in pre Christian----and Post Christian---ROME -----what was that last bit of roman historic revisionism?

No only some Caesars and no Popes. See a pic of George Washington's Apotheosis in the capital.

Vespasian became deified and well his son Titus become the son of a God. The first true biological descendant of a deified Emperor, and then his brother also did, the "holy trinity".

your idiot point? CANONIZATION BY THE POOP----to the level of SAINT----is the same as the pre-Christian --barbaric roman ---DEIFICATION thing-----it is still happening---an historic comedy[/QUOTE]

Saints are not Gods, lesser baby gods. In the RCC catechism, it says Jesus became a man so we might become gods. I keep telling people that Christianity is Roman and Greek but they insist its a fulfillment of Judaism , of course its that as well.[/QUOTE]

Christianity has very little to do with Judaism. AT THE BEGINNING it did---probably ---but pre Constantine Christianity is a mystery since the council of nicea redacted the records. It seems to me that---if we can believe the writings Paul was supposed to have done---that he was person of greek background----whose came from a background of converts to Judaism ----and decided to ADAPT the Christian sect to the cultures of rome and Greece. --------in doing so he INVENTED a new Jesus that had very little to do with the
real jesus who was a typical PHARISEE political --"activist". Typically he quote HILLEL incessantly----he was literate---educated in the manner that regular average Pharisee kids were educated and died in the usual Pharisee manner-----the romans crucified him. In order to make the religion palatable to ROMANS----he had to invent a NON ROMAN murder for Jesus----which he did in a very awkward and not credible manner. The ruse SNOW-BALLED[/QUOTE]

right----caesars get deified ---just like lots of POOPS get deified and just like Jesus was
"DEIFIED" Not a new custom in rome----lots of people---if they could pay enough----got DEIFIED in pre Christian----and Post Christian---ROME -----what was that last bit of roman historic revisionism?

No only some Caesars, Popes do not get deified. George Washington also ascended on the ceiling of the capital.

right----caesars get deified ---just like lots of POOPS get deified and just like Jesus was
"DEIFIED" Not a new custom in rome----lots of people---if they could pay enough----got DEIFIED in pre Christian----and Post Christian---ROME -----what was that last bit of roman historic revisionism?

No only some Caesars and no Popes. See a pic of George Washington's Apotheosis in the capital.

Vespasian became deified and well his son Titus become the son of a God. The first true biological descendant of a deified Emperor, and then his brother also did, the "holy trinity".

your idiot point? CANONIZATION BY THE POOP----to the level of SAINT----is the same as the pre-Christian --barbaric roman ---DEIFICATION thing-----it is still happening---an historic comedy

Saints are not Gods, lesser baby gods. In the RCC catechism, it says Jesus became a man so we might become gods. I keep telling people that Christianity is Roman and Greek but they insist its a fulfillment of Judaism , of course its that as well.

Christianity has very little to do with Judaism. AT THE BEGINNING it did---probably ---but pre Constantine Christianity is a mystery since the council of nicea redacted the records. It seems to me that---if we can believe the writings Paul was supposed to have done---that he was person of greek background----whose came from a background of converts to Judaism ----and decided to ADAPT the Christian sect to the cultures of rome and Greece. --------in doing so he INVENTED a new Jesus that had very little to do with the
real jesus who was a typical PHARISEE political --"activist". Typically he quote HILLEL incessantly----he was literate---educated in the manner that regular average Pharisee kids were educated and died in the usual Pharisee manner-----the romans crucified him. In order to make the religion palatable to ROMANS----he had to invent a NON ROMAN murder for Jesus----which he did in a very awkward and not credible manner. The ruse SNOW-BALLED

I think Josephus is Paul, one and the same.[/QUOTE]

another weird delusion

 

[Penelope]

Not worship, but give to Caesars what is Caesars. Most Caesars were deified upon their death. Relax I don't hole you responsible for the death of Jesus. The peasant jews liked Jesus, he gave them hope, some got upset when he cut the literal bread out though.

right----caesars get deified ---just like lots of POOPS get deified and just like Jesus was
"DEIFIED" Not a new custom in rome----lots of people---if they could pay enough----got DEIFIED in pre Christian----and Post Christian---ROME -----what was that last bit of roman historic revisionism?

No only some Caesars and no Popes. See a pic of George Washington's Apotheosis in the capital.

Vespasian became deified and well his son Titus become the son of a God. The first true biological descendant of a deified Emperor, and then his brother also did, the "holy trinity".

your idiot point? CANONIZATION BY THE POOP----to the level of SAINT----is the same as the pre-Christian --barbaric roman ---DEIFICATION thing-----it is still happening---an historic comedy

Saints are not Gods, lesser baby gods. In the RCC catechism, it says Jesus became a man so we might become gods. I keep telling people that Christianity is Roman and Greek but they insist its a fulfillment of Judaism , of course its that as well.[/QUOTE]

Christianity has very little to do with Judaism. AT THE BEGINNING it did---probably ---but pre Constantine Christianity is a mystery since the council of nicea redacted the records. It seems to me that---if we can believe the writings Paul was supposed to have done---that he was person of greek background----whose came from a background of converts to Judaism ----and decided to ADAPT the Christian sect to the cultures of rome and Greece. --------in doing so he INVENTED a new Jesus that had very little to do with the
real jesus who was a typical PHARISEE political --"activist". Typically he quote HILLEL incessantly----he was literate---educated in the manner that regular average Pharisee kids were educated and died in the usual Pharisee manner-----the romans crucified him. In order to make the religion palatable to ROMANS----he had to invent a NON ROMAN murder for Jesus----which he did in a very awkward and not credible manner. The ruse SNOW-BALLED[/QUOTE]

right----caesars get deified ---just like lots of POOPS get deified and just like Jesus was
"DEIFIED" Not a new custom in rome----lots of people---if they could pay enough----got DEIFIED in pre Christian----and Post Christian---ROME -----what was that last bit of roman historic revisionism?

No only some Caesars, Popes do not get deified. George Washington also ascended on the ceiling of the capital.

right----caesars get deified ---just like lots of POOPS get deified and just like Jesus was
"DEIFIED" Not a new custom in rome----lots of people---if they could pay enough----got DEIFIED in pre Christian----and Post Christian---ROME -----what was that last bit of roman historic revisionism?

No only some Caesars and no Popes. See a pic of George Washington's Apotheosis in the capital.

Vespasian became deified and well his son Titus become the son of a God. The first true biological descendant of a deified Emperor, and then his brother also did, the "holy trinity".

your idiot point? CANONIZATION BY THE POOP----to the level of SAINT----is the same as the pre-Christian --barbaric roman ---DEIFICATION thing-----it is still happening---an historic comedy

Saints are not Gods, lesser baby gods. In the RCC catechism, it says Jesus became a man so we might become gods. I keep telling people that Christianity is Roman and Greek but they insist its a fulfillment of Judaism , of course its that as well.

Christianity has very little to do with Judaism. AT THE BEGINNING it did---probably ---but pre Constantine Christianity is a mystery since the council of nicea redacted the records. It seems to me that---if we can believe the writings Paul was supposed to have done---that he was person of greek background----whose came from a background of converts to Judaism ----and decided to ADAPT the Christian sect to the cultures of rome and Greece. --------in doing so he INVENTED a new Jesus that had very little to do with the
real jesus who was a typical PHARISEE political --"activist". Typically he quote HILLEL incessantly----he was literate---educated in the manner that regular average Pharisee kids were educated and died in the usual Pharisee manner-----the romans crucified him. In order to make the religion palatable to ROMANS----he had to invent a NON ROMAN murder for Jesus----which he did in a very awkward and not credible manner. The ruse SNOW-BALLED

I think Josephus is Paul, one and the same.[/QUOTE]

another weird delusion[/QUOTE]

You have not read neither then. Too many similarities. No I'm not going to name them , but I suggest your study them.

 

[HaShev]

Ironically Josephus is related to Salome's Husband. Yeshu son of Mary of 100bc is supposed to be related to Salome, therefore in a distant way through marriages they would be related yet never did Josephus write about his relative the forbidden Egyptian influenced Maggician Yeshu or his miraculous birth to the Harlot called virgin Mary. No mention of Yeshu double dipping his (flesh) bread into the humus or turning the family pond into a wine(blood) bath.

Source: I did a lineage research on Josephus years ago and discovered the link.
His great,great,great,great,great grandfather married the cousin of the scrolls most likely ‘wicked priest’ Johanan Hyrcanus, who was the father of Janneaus Alexander who Salome Married .

 

[irosie91]

"Saints are not Gods, lesser baby gods."

Oh how CUTE-----something like the first Christian song I learned---about age six----la la la ~~~ awaaaay in the manger ,,,no crib for a bed (how pathetic) the leeeetle lord jeeesus lay down his sweet head ..... la la la ~~~~ ---the PATHETIC BABY JESUS song-------so impressive

 

[shimon]

Ah I see this topic is going from bad to worse.... Irosie just remember if you respond to Penelope she will throw everything at you but the kitchen sink which is really cracked to say the least...I find the whole thing rather humorous as Saul became Paul and now according to the scholar Penelope Josephus as well.... Hmmm... Reminds me of the saying the truth can walk around naked but the lie must be covered over and over by telling even bigger lies that is how the whole prince of peace lie of Jesus just keeps moving further and further from the truth and the tales of the little fishes keep getting bigger and bigger like Pinochio nose...

 

[shimon]

Question Michael was the John Hrycanius related to the Hrycanius who after the temple was destroyed who set up a new kingdom in modern day Saudia Arabia called Hymar near Mecca or Medina or such and the symbols of the kingdom were the crescent moon which Islam later took for their own after conquering this kingdom....I did some research on this at one time but I will have to find it again if need be... Interesting subject The Hrycanius family......

 

[HaShev]

I think both John and his son conquered Samaria but that was northern part of the west bank.
Kisu became Hymar and I think
Johan Hyrcanus ll might have been the one you speak of, as he became a high priest also involved in that region. Are you talking about the rededication of the
Bet HaMikdash HaSheni ;-)
after Antiochus desecration
or the 70ad destruction?