Sick and tired of US debate on raising the min. wage.

[Canon Shooter]

But I'll be damned if I'm gonna' pay someone $15 an hour for someone to clean a fuckin' urinal

Get the cameras out of the bathrooms and the bathroom pictures off the internet. I don't like that life-ruining corporate H.R. bullshit any more than anyone else does. You're not making any money at that at all unless you're in the pornography industry.

What in the actual fuck is any of that supposed to mean?

 

[justinacolmena]

And by extension, no one is allowed to work unless they are earning enough to support a family.

You don't get hired at all in that district unless you are a stable family man on a 30-year mortgage who will lose his wife and home if he loses his job, and there's a bloody sermon in church on Sunday to the effect that men who can't/won't support their wives are worse than infidels.

The men's beards are too long, and the women who aren't quite the virgins they let on are a little too veiled up for a Christian church.

So much skin in the game as required in the Islamic business district.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I think it's mentally ill.

Mental health law is how vice is enforced, promoted, and compelled.

Did your microwave tell you that?

 

[danielpalos]

How much in real numbers, not your gibberish claims........

Real earnings for workers while they remained employed would increase by $64 billion,

Real earnings for workers while they were jobless would decrease by $20 billion,

 

[danielpalos]

We are discussing the minimum wage not the maximum wage. A statutory increase in that wage affects all employers. Capitalists can simply pass on that cost to remain competitive in their market and remain profitable. Only right wingers prefer to hate on the Poor for their bottom line.

Minimum wage is all relative to the cost of the stuff you have to buy on that wage to "live" i.e. make it a "living wage"

The "bottom line" at a large corporation can be a hard ceiling on wages.

There's also a minimum cost or standard of living mandated by city hall and forced out of reach of low-wage earners.

How much of the labor market makes the minimum wage? Why would labor making the new minimum wage have any problem with a hypothetical price inflation of five percent when their minimum wage virtually doubled?

And, Capitalists are willing to downsize merely for the bottom line without any wage increases.

 

[danielpalos]

High tech requires labor that usually above the minimum wage. Besides, going high-tech can help mitigate the pandemic

U.S. citizens aren't qualified for high-tech work in their own country. Workers have to be imported from India on H1-B non-immigrant visas for high tech jobs. [/SARCASM]

Not true at all. Capitalists merely prefer cheaper high tech workers from less developed economies. Capitalists importing high tech labor should be taxed to compensatory levels to "level the playing field".

 

[danielpalos]

But I'll be damned if I'm gonna' pay someone $15 an hour for someone to clean a fuckin' urinal

Get the cameras out of the bathrooms and the bathroom pictures off the internet. I don't like that life-ruining corporate H.R. bullshit any more than anyone else does. You're not making any money at that at all unless you're in the pornography industry.

Or, simply stop taking right wingers seriously about their alleged morals and alleged morality.

 

[justinacolmena]

people with no job skills

I don't believe that. Everybody has skills and talents that can be put to good and profitable use. There are just certain ones of us you don't want on the job or living in your precious community. You Democrat buttfuckers are full of shit in a court of law with your gun control records and extended background checks for employment.

 

[danielpalos]

Are you serious? You really think that a minimum wage job should enable someone to raise a family on what they're being paid? That's absurd! Minimum wage jobs are designed to be a short term thing for people with no job skills (usually young people) or a part time thing for people looking to supplement their income (usually older people).

The minimum wage should not enable subsidizing Capitalists with cheap labor who may need Government social services.

 

[justinacolmena]

Or, simply stop taking right wingers seriously about their alleged morals and alleged morality.

Like we should believe all the hookers and johns, pimps and prostitutes on the street when they start talking gay rights if a worker doesn't jump in bed with a whore at the first opportunity.

 

[danielpalos]

Let's cut to the chase then, Daniel! Do you think raising the minimum wage will help the "poor"?

Yes, both the poor and taxpayers in general who won't have to subsidize cheap labor for Capitalists.

 

[justinacolmena]

The minimum wage should not enable subsidizing Capitalists with cheap labor who may need Government social services.

A corporation that won't support its workers is worse by far than an able-bodie man who won't support his wife and kids.
Big corps need to pay for their own workers benefits, not depend on government.
People shouldn't be forced to subsidize Walmart employee benefits through tax dollars, rather than in the price they pay directly for the stuff they purchase as customers at Walmart.

 

[Canon Shooter]

But I'll be damned if I'm gonna' pay someone $15 an hour for someone to clean a fuckin' urinal

Get the cameras out of the bathrooms and the bathroom pictures off the internet. I don't like that life-ruining corporate H.R. bullshit any more than anyone else does. You're not making any money at that at all unless you're in the pornography industry.

Or, simply stop taking right wingers seriously about their alleged morals and alleged morality.

I don't give a fuck what you do, simply because I'm the guy doing the hiring and firing. I'm the guy who decides who gets paid what. I'm the guy who understands that my job as a business owner is to ensure the health of my businesses as opposed to being someone who provides jobs to people who are too lazy to earn more than minimum wage.

Bottom line: If an employee has an adverse financial effect on one of my businesses, that employee's days are numbered...

 

[justinacolmena]

I don't give a fuck what you do, simply because I'm the guy doing the hiring and firing. I'm the guy who decides who gets paid what.

You've got too much ego, and you're trying to be a mob boss and a mafia hit man for the whole area rather than the boss of whatever company you actually own, or what division of whatever corporation you yourself were hired for.

 

[Canon Shooter]

I don't give a fuck what you do, simply because I'm the guy doing the hiring and firing. I'm the guy who decides who gets paid what.

You've got too much ego, and you're trying to be a mob boss and a mafia hit man for the whole area rather than the boss of whatever company you actually own, or what division of whatever corporation you yourself were hired for.

I own two companies. I have an equal partner in one and sole ownership of another.

I, along with my partner, have a responsibility to our businesses to ensure they're profitable and healthy. If that means that some people are shown the door, so be it, because the alternative is far less attractive. The alternative is that, instead of letting a few people go, we fire everyone and close our doors. If our business isn't profitable then there's no reason to have the business.

I would much rather let five people go because of increased minimum wage than shut the doors and put 70 people out of work. If that means I'm some sort of "mob boss", well, I don't care...

 

[justinacolmena]

I, along with my partner, have a responsibility to our businesses to ensure they're profitable and healthy. If that means that some people are shown the door, so be it, because the alternative is far less attractive

You've got faggotty-ass buttfuckery and all sorts of other bullshit going on, far beyond just letting a few people go because they aren't doing their jobs as personally directed and supervised or told what to do.

Plus you're taking out extra insurance to keep your ex-employees from ever working for any of your competitors, and it's not like you've got cause to throw them in jail for doing anything illegal either.

 

[Canon Shooter]

I, along with my partner, have a responsibility to our businesses to ensure they're profitable and healthy. If that means that some people are shown the door, so be it, because the alternative is far less attractive

You've got faggotty-ass buttfuckery and all sorts of other bullshit going on, far beyond just letting a few people go because they aren't doing their jobs as personally directed and supervised or told what to do.

Plus you're taking out extra insurance to keep your ex-employees from ever working for any of your competitors, and it's not like you've got cause to throw them in jail for doing anything illegal either.

You're about the most clueless fuck I've ever encountered. You have no idea how I administrate my businesses.

The guy who cleans the kitchens and bathrooms isn't going to lose his job because he doesn't do it well. He does it very well, in fact. But the fact of the matter is that the requisite skill set for cleaning a urinal isn't worth $13 an hour to me. I can contract it out for less. The guy who will, one day, be let go knows that his time is coming. On September 30, 2023, he will be let go. That's the date that minimum wage in Florida goes to $13 an hour. He'll be given a letter of recommendation and a severance (we're still working out the numbers on that).

Now, if he can make himself more valuable to my company before that, I'll gladly pay him more to work in a new position. But I won't have anyone on my payroll to clean bathrooms after September 30, 2023.

My employees are free to leave and work for whomever they please. They don't, of course, as they have no reason to. And I don't have a "do not compete" clause when I hire someone, and I'm unaware of what "insurance" I could buy to make that happen.

The reality is that my employees enjoy working for me. Each person is paid a fair wage for what they do. After their 90 probationary period everyone is given a $1 an hour raise. I know each and every person by name. I know their wives and girlfriend's names. I know how many kids they have. When the three guys who are members of the National Guard deploy to the middle east, they still get their full pay from my company. I offer performance bonuses, and not small ones. Performance evaluations are conducted every year, and consequent raises are based largely on those reviews.

So, please, don't act as though you're anywhere near intelligent enough to opine about how I run my business, because you could not be more ignorant...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How much in real numbers, not your gibberish claims........

Real earnings for workers while they remained employed would increase by $64 billion,

Real earnings for workers while they were jobless would decrease by $20 billion,

Double the minimum wage and only increase real earnings by $44 billion?

How much is that percentage-wise or dollar-wise per person/family?

 

[danielpalos]

I own two companies. I have an equal partner in one and sole ownership of another.

I, along with my partner, have a responsibility to our businesses to ensure they're profitable and healthy. If that means that some people are shown the door, so be it, because the alternative is far less attractive. The alternative is that, instead of letting a few people go, we fire everyone and close our doors. If our business isn't profitable then there's no reason to have the business.

I would much rather let five people go because of increased minimum wage than shut the doors and put 70 people out of work. If that means I'm some sort of "mob boss", well, I don't care...

I have no problem with that, just like I have no problem with a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage.

 

[danielpalos]

How much in real numbers, not your gibberish claims........

Real earnings for workers while they remained employed would increase by $64 billion,

Real earnings for workers while they were jobless would decrease by $20 billion,

Double the minimum wage and only increase real earnings by $44 billion?

How much is that percentage-wise or dollar-wise per person/family?

Seems like a three to one ratio to me. Will employers be able to fire three employees for every one they keep? If not, then it is still worth while.