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Already did. Guess you missed it.
Really? care to provide a link to that post of yours?
You need to explain that.....
Already have several times now, you just prefer to ignore any opinions contrary to your fanatical beliefs, I suppose that makes you a prime candidate for groups such as ISIS.
One more time, read your own source for reasons that crime decined in the USA; gun ownership is not mentioned.
In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested...
When you want to test a theory scientifically, you rely on empirical factual data, not guesswork and projections based on limited, arguably biased, samples.
More Guns = More Gun Crime
Well when we banned handguns in 1997 our shootings and homicides fell by 50%
If you have a fully automatic military rifle in your home...and ammunition.....which gun control laws keep you from walking out of your house and shooting up a school?
Ever tried chambering a 7-10mm round into a 5.56mm rifle?
That 18.6 million people are not just gun owners......they are people who have legal permits to carry a gun for self defense...and are thus documented ........they are not permits for guns, they are permits for individuals............and that number is low, since many of our states are "Constitutional Carry" states, which means you can carry a gun without any license or permit, either open carry of the gun, in some states, or concealed carry or both. That means millions more carry guns that are not on official records.
That means you have no idea how many people have how many guns in their posession, that's why your criminals get hold of guns so easily, that's why your suicide figures are so high. If nothing else, registering each firearm to an individual and any onward sales of said firearm would provide you with actual factual data as opposed to wild assertions based on guesswork alone.
Our actual gun ownership number is close to if not over 600 million guns....
See my response above, how do you know?
And yet your society isn't safer, and is, in fact, more violent....
From Politifact...
Oh dear, another epic fail. Politifact rated your assertion mostly FALSE, nice try, thanks for playing.
You didn't read the article.....I gave you the statistic they found, and then lied about..............they showed that Britain is more violent than the U.S......but then dodged to say that the social media statement wasn't accurate because
the number stated was off....Britain is only just over twice as violent as the U.S........
You twit.
Already did. Guess you missed it.
Really? care to provide a link to that post of yours?
Erm..you should really read the whole analysis, not just the cherry pick bits that "support" your argument.You need to explain that.....
Already have several times now, you just prefer to ignore any opinions contrary to your fanatical beliefs, I suppose that makes you a prime candidate for groups such as ISIS.
One more time, read your own source for reasons that crime decined in the USA; gun ownership is not mentioned.
In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested...
When you want to test a theory scientifically, you rely on empirical factual data, not guesswork and projections based on limited, arguably biased, samples.
More Guns = More Gun Crime
Well when we banned handguns in 1997 our shootings and homicides fell by 50%
If you have a fully automatic military rifle in your home...and ammunition.....which gun control laws keep you from walking out of your house and shooting up a school?
Ever tried chambering a 7-10mm round into a 5.56mm rifle?
That 18.6 million people are not just gun owners......they are people who have legal permits to carry a gun for self defense...and are thus documented ........they are not permits for guns, they are permits for individuals............and that number is low, since many of our states are "Constitutional Carry" states, which means you can carry a gun without any license or permit, either open carry of the gun, in some states, or concealed carry or both. That means millions more carry guns that are not on official records.
That means you have no idea how many people have how many guns in their posession, that's why your criminals get hold of guns so easily, that's why your suicide figures are so high. If nothing else, registering each firearm to an individual and any onward sales of said firearm would provide you with actual factual data as opposed to wild assertions based on guesswork alone.
Our actual gun ownership number is close to if not over 600 million guns....
See my response above, how do you know?
And yet your society isn't safer, and is, in fact, more violent....
From Politifact...
Oh dear, another epic fail. Politifact rated your assertion mostly FALSE, nice try, thanks for playing.
Oh dear, another epic fail. Politifact rated your assertion mostly FALSE, nice try, thanks for playing.
And here...since you didn't want to be honest.....
The meme...
The meme said: "There are over 2,000 crimes recorded per 100,000 population in the U.K., making it the most violent place in Europe.
What Politifact found about actual crime numbers.... the U.S. compared to Britain...
For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.
For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.
Then politifact said the meme was wrong....but with their own research demonstrated that Britain is more violent than the U.S.....you twit.
This calculation suggests that there is a higher rate of crime in England and Wales, but the discrepancy is not anywhere near as wide as the one cited in the meme.
They didn't claim the U.S. was less violent than Britain.......they ruled the original meme was off........
The meme said "there are over 2,000 crimes recorded per 100,000 population in the U.K.," compared to "466 violent crimes per 100,000" in the United States.
Our preliminary attempt to make an apples-to-apples comparison shows a much smaller difference in violent crime rates between the two countries,
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We rate the claim False.
Social media post says U.K. has far higher violent crime rate than U.S. does
The debate over gun policy has inspired a blizzard of messages on social media, from both supporters and opponents of guwww.politifact.com
So.......Britain is more violent than the United States......with your gun control
More regurgitated Lott ESTIMATES and GUESSORK, no actual facts.Armed citizens help to lower the crime rate...
Oh, OK, I'll just assume you are lying then and ignore anything you post going forward.Already did. Guess you missed it.
Really? care to provide a link to that post of yours?
Already did. Guess you missed it.
So a criminal hit on another criminal is a now a cause for concern for you? Every time I've mentioned your gun murder rates, you brush off the figures with a "meh, they were criminals". Your hypocrisy is showing.Another shooting in gun free Britain....
A young man was shot dead outside a funeral wake by a gunman wearing a surgical mask who fired at least eight times before being driven away, witnesses told the Standard.
Neighbours said more than 100 well-wishers had gathered for the traditional Caribbean "nine nights" celebration in Harlesden, to honour another young man who died last week. They were seen to flee as gunshots rang out.
Police called to Windrush Road at just after 3am battled to save the victim's life but he was pronounced dead by paramedics at the scene. His death marks the capital’s seventh violent killing in just 12 days.
Young man shot dead outside wake by 'gunman wearing surgical mask'
Neighbours said more than 100 well-wishers had gathered for the traditional Caribbean "nine nights" celebration in Harlsedenwww.standard.co.uk
Again....which British gun control law kept this gunman from walking into a school, a mall, a church (if Britain still has them) or more likely a Mosque or theater?
Erm..you should really read the whole analysis, not just the cherry pick bits that "support" your argument.You need to explain that.....
Already have several times now, you just prefer to ignore any opinions contrary to your fanatical beliefs, I suppose that makes you a prime candidate for groups such as ISIS.
One more time, read your own source for reasons that crime decined in the USA; gun ownership is not mentioned.
In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested...
When you want to test a theory scientifically, you rely on empirical factual data, not guesswork and projections based on limited, arguably biased, samples.
More Guns = More Gun Crime
Well when we banned handguns in 1997 our shootings and homicides fell by 50%
If you have a fully automatic military rifle in your home...and ammunition.....which gun control laws keep you from walking out of your house and shooting up a school?
Ever tried chambering a 7-10mm round into a 5.56mm rifle?
That 18.6 million people are not just gun owners......they are people who have legal permits to carry a gun for self defense...and are thus documented ........they are not permits for guns, they are permits for individuals............and that number is low, since many of our states are "Constitutional Carry" states, which means you can carry a gun without any license or permit, either open carry of the gun, in some states, or concealed carry or both. That means millions more carry guns that are not on official records.
That means you have no idea how many people have how many guns in their posession, that's why your criminals get hold of guns so easily, that's why your suicide figures are so high. If nothing else, registering each firearm to an individual and any onward sales of said firearm would provide you with actual factual data as opposed to wild assertions based on guesswork alone.
Our actual gun ownership number is close to if not over 600 million guns....
See my response above, how do you know?
And yet your society isn't safer, and is, in fact, more violent....
From Politifact...
Oh dear, another epic fail. Politifact rated your assertion mostly FALSE, nice try, thanks for playing.
Oh dear, another epic fail. Politifact rated your assertion mostly FALSE, nice try, thanks for playing.
And here...since you didn't want to be honest.....
The meme...
The meme said: "There are over 2,000 crimes recorded per 100,000 population in the U.K., making it the most violent place in Europe.
What Politifact found about actual crime numbers.... the U.S. compared to Britain...
For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.
For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.
Then politifact said the meme was wrong....but with their own research demonstrated that Britain is more violent than the U.S.....you twit.
This calculation suggests that there is a higher rate of crime in England and Wales, but the discrepancy is not anywhere near as wide as the one cited in the meme.
They didn't claim the U.S. was less violent than Britain.......they ruled the original meme was off........
The meme said "there are over 2,000 crimes recorded per 100,000 population in the U.K.," compared to "466 violent crimes per 100,000" in the United States.
Our preliminary attempt to make an apples-to-apples comparison shows a much smaller difference in violent crime rates between the two countries,
-------
We rate the claim False.
Social media post says U.K. has far higher violent crime rate than U.S. does
The debate over gun policy has inspired a blizzard of messages on social media, from both supporters and opponents of guwww.politifact.com
So.......Britain is more violent than the United States......with your gun control
"Another problem is that aggravated assaults, rapes and robberies are victim-reported crimes, so whether the crime gets reported varies widely, depending on such factors as the victim’s trust in the police. This difference shows up in comparisons of FBI crime data, which consists of crimes reported to police, and the far higher rates of crime victimization found in a survey of Americans by the Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics. The survey counts all crimes that respondents say they have experienced, not just those they reported to police.
The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by an arm of the United Nations most recently in 2005, shows the difference between reported crime and all crimes committed by conducting polls that ask people if they've been victims of specific crimes. Polling data showed that England and Wales had 2,600 cases of robbery per 100,000 population and 8,100 cases of "assaults and threats" per 100,000. While those figures are even higher than the meme suggested, the U.S levels are also much higher -- 1,100 cases of robbery and 8,300 cases of assaults and threats per 100,000. And the rate of sexual assault is actually about 50 percent higher in the United States than it is in England and Wales. So this data set doesn’t support the thrust of the meme, either."
Next?
So a criminal hit on another criminal is a now a cause for concern for you? Every time I've mentioned your gun murder rates, you brush off the figures with a "meh, they were criminals". Your hypocrisy is showing.Another shooting in gun free Britain....
A young man was shot dead outside a funeral wake by a gunman wearing a surgical mask who fired at least eight times before being driven away, witnesses told the Standard.
Neighbours said more than 100 well-wishers had gathered for the traditional Caribbean "nine nights" celebration in Harlesden, to honour another young man who died last week. They were seen to flee as gunshots rang out.
Police called to Windrush Road at just after 3am battled to save the victim's life but he was pronounced dead by paramedics at the scene. His death marks the capital’s seventh violent killing in just 12 days.
Young man shot dead outside wake by 'gunman wearing surgical mask'
Neighbours said more than 100 well-wishers had gathered for the traditional Caribbean "nine nights" celebration in Harlsedenwww.standard.co.uk
Again....which British gun control law kept this gunman from walking into a school, a mall, a church (if Britain still has them) or more likely a Mosque or theater?
More regurgitated Lott ESTIMATES and GUESSORK, no actual facts.Armed citizens help to lower the crime rate...
Nice try. The man was arrested for possession of a non-registered gun.Liberal juries are handing down guilty verdicts to people for defending their homes.I'm sure you'll agree that if we extend a federal death penalty to anyone that uses a gun in commission of a crime would be a good deal.Why don't you start doing a thread on every gun shot incident in this country, 2AGuy. This is your country after all. Why do you think we care if there was a shooting in England? Or France?So....gun crime in Britain is getting worse....with shooters opening fire, hitting children and their mothers and shooting up parties....but...they have gun control....right?
A man and two women have sustained gunshot wounds after attackers opened fire on people attending a party in Harlow, Essex.
Essex police said the man, who is in his 50s and from nearby Grays, was taken to hospital with life-threatening injuries early on Saturday.
Two women in their 20s were taken to hospital with single gunshot wounds, which are not considered to be life-threatening.
Three people shot at party in Essex, say police
Man suffered life-threatening injuries and two women also shot in early hours of Saturdaywww.theguardian.com
Let's start hearing about every one of them in this country.
What? Impossible? That's because there are tens of thousands of them a year. You couldn't type fast enough.
And it's because every Tom, Dick and Harriett has a gun for no good reason.
What you don't understand.....you really don't understand a lot.....is that Europe is used by our anti-gun extremists to justify our anti-gun laws.......the fact that gun control does not work in Europe shows it won't work here.....
We already hear about them in this country....what we rarely hear about is the 1.2 million times a year Americans use their legal guns to stop violent rapes, robberies and murders.....or the fact that as more Americans own and carry guns our gun crime rates went down, not up....
Meanwhile....in Europe.....their immigrants are using more guns for more crime....to protect their drug territories...and their gun control laws are not stopping them.
Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%
Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
I actually propose something like that.........I only support the death penalty for actual murder, or attempted murder....here is my plan...
I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.
This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......
Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.
You implement this with two other things...
1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.
2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......
That is how you stop gun crime over night.
Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.
The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....
It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...
By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....
Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...
This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....
Mass shooters
1) end gun free zones
2) get the media to stop covering mass shootings like it is the Oscars.....
3) We are already seeing this...get people who know these nuts to report these nuts....
4) Make sure the police who know these nuts arrest these nuts when they have the chance so they will pop on background checks....
What does each do to stop mass shooters....
1) keeps shooters from targeting people, since they target gun free zones.
2) The media not covering it like they are the criminal oscars deters copycats...just like they stopped covering teen suicides to stop the copycat effect
3) The only way to stop mass shooters, since they commit no other crime, is for family, coworkers and neighbors to report their violent behavior....the Odessa shooter should have felonies for the crimes he was committing but they didn't report his shooting his weapon from his front porch....
4) The Parkland shooter had 33 contacts with police and numerous contacts with police at his school.....due to Obama's "Promise Program" the police never arrested him for the felonies he committed....so he didn't pop on the background check..
The severe problem with your proposals.......is liberal judges and lawmakers
They could selectively apply these laws to Conservatives only in the court rooms.
In hard left liberal court rooms, this is already happening.
Liberal juries are handing down guilty verdicts to people for defending their homes.
Why don't you post one of those for a full dissection.
Easy peasy.....thousands of cases......ever heard of Google?
This New York Man Got Arrested After Defending His Own Home
Now then, you were saying?
Nice try. The man was arrested for possession of a non-registered gun.
politifact then stated they did an apples to apples comparison
.criminals use guns to shoot other criminals in Britain and the United States... that is the vast majority of our gun crime rate..
Moron, you didn't read the names of the researchers doing the actual studies....you dumb twit..........they aren't lott, though he has done the most research in this area...you doofus.
politifact then stated they did an apples to apples comparison
..and subsequently stated that their "apples to apples" comparison was worthless due to there not being a standard definition of any particulat type of crime.
.criminals use guns to shoot other criminals in Britain and the United States... that is the vast majority of our gun crime rate..
So you don't really need an armed population then, just let the criminals kill each other while staying away from "bad" neighbourhoods and the problem will solve itself eventually.
Moron, you didn't read the names of the researchers doing the actual studies....you dumb twit..........they aren't lott, though he has done the most research in this area...you doofus.
The problem with most of these "research" papers is that there is a tendency to focus on one issue while ignoring other factors that might have equal or greater impact. A bit like shooting at a wall, seeing where the bullet hits and painting a target around the point of impact, then claiming a bullseye.
Read an interesting article the other day and I'll try and find a link for you. It basically said that the creation and introduction of unarmed Neighbourhood Watch schemes in America reduced violent crime in places the schemes were active by 47%; that's very close you your favourite percentage, "18.6 million Americans carry guns. Gun murder in U.S. down 49% since 1990s." Play around with these two details and you could construct an argument that "18.6 million Americans carrying guns reduced gun murder in U.S. down by only 2% since 1990s."
Not saying that's necessarily true, but you see how easy it is to manipulate data to forward an agenda.
No shootings since thursday. When will we be allowed guns like our nutty friends in America ?
So when will our murder rates reach American levels ?No shootings since thursday. When will we be allowed guns like our nutty friends in America ?
Yeah...the key phrase their is "allowed." Your rulers will likely never let you own guns again...once you lose them, they are generally gone forever...no matter how violent your society gets....
So when will our murder rates reach American levels ?No shootings since thursday. When will we be allowed guns like our nutty friends in America ?
Yeah...the key phrase their is "allowed." Your rulers will likely never let you own guns again...once you lose them, they are generally gone forever...no matter how violent your society gets....