Shootings in Britain

[2aguy]

As expected, I "triggered" your usual barrage of bullshit

The micro stamp tech doesn't exist and can't work....

Really? If it works on diamonds... How to Read the GIA Laser Inscription on Your Diamond
Or even by hand...read the inscription for yourself... World's smallest engraving on the edge of a razor blade It says, "nothing is impossible"

And each one of your points would limit the Right out of existence

Oh, so ammendments to your constitution have never been repealed in the past? Doesn't your 2nd Ammendment assume regulation is required? "A well regulated..etc"

Yes....this is pointless busy work that does nothing...

Technology has advanced considerably, just because one scheme fails, doesn't mean you should just give up. Ever heard of the saying "If at first you don't succeed..."

And this too, is dumb and pointless....600 million guns in the U.S.........you do realize that as a gun is repeatedly fired it changes the pattern...right?

CAN change the pattern due considerable to wear and tear, true. Oh, you've started posting this 600 million figure, where does that come from?

Americans use their legal guns to stop, on average, 1.2 million crimes a year, including rapes, robberies and murders...

Gun nut fantasies aren't facts.
As you well know, this number you keep quoting is a subjective guess; it could equally be a tenth of that or even ten times that; there are no objective records or statistics available.

There were not 49 mass public shootings you dumb twit.......there were a total of 10 in 2019.....

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

2019....10

Yes, these were shootings carried out by "law abiding" citizens armed with legaly owned guns. Using your own sources' definition, therefore, the UK has had Zero shootings by comparison. Thanks for proving gun control works.

and when an armed citizen happens to have their gun? In the middle of a mass public shooting?

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Your own source disagrees with you. Do Armed Civilians Stop Mass Shooters? Actually, No.

And what about cases in which citizens try to use their guns and things go terribly wrong? There are at least two examples of ill-fated attempts that you won’t see mentioned by those arguing for your kid’s teacher to start stashing a loaded Glock in her classroom:

Shopping mall shooting in Tacoma, Washington
As a rampage unfolded in 2005, a civilian with a concealed-carry permit named Brendan McKown attempted to confront the assailant with his handgun. The assailant gravely wounded McKown, and shot five other people before eventually surrendering to police after a hostage standoff. A comatose McKown recovered after weeks in the hospital.

Courthouse shooting in Tyler, Texas

In 2005, a civilian named Mark Wilson, who was a firearms instructor, fired his licensed handgun at a man on a rampage at the county courthouse. Wilson was shot dead by the body-armored assailant, who wielded an AK-47.

Such actions in chaotic situations don’t just put the well-intentioned citizen at risk, of course. According to Robert McMenomy, an assistant special agent in charge in the San Francisco division of the FBI, they increase the danger for innocent bystanders. (Exhibit A: the gun-wielding civilian who came really close to shooting an innocent person as the Tucson massacre unfolded.) They also make it more difficult for law enforcement officers to do their jobs. “In a scenario like that,” McMenomy said recently, “they wouldn’t know who was good or who was bad, and it would divert them from the real threat.”

Here is what the majority of police chiefs say about armed Americans.....

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/NACOP-surveyresults-2016.pdf

And here is a look at the survey....

..New Survey of Chiefs of Police and Sheriffs in the United States Shows Strong Support for Concealed Carry and Gun Ownership - Crime Prevention Research Center

86.4% of the US’s Chiefs of Police and Sheriffs “support nationwide recognition of state issued concealed weapon permits.”

76% of those same heads of departments believe that “qualied, law-abiding armed citizens help law enforcement reduce violent criminal activity.”

 

[2aguy]

And another shooting....again, which British gun control law stopped this guy from walking into a school, a church, a mall or a theater?

Man blasted by shotgun suffers serious injuries

Police are currently in the area where an investigation is underway

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

 

[2aguy]

As expected, I "triggered" your usual barrage of bullshit

The micro stamp tech doesn't exist and can't work....

Really? If it works on diamonds... How to Read the GIA Laser Inscription on Your Diamond
Or even by hand...read the inscription for yourself... World's smallest engraving on the edge of a razor blade It says, "nothing is impossible"

And each one of your points would limit the Right out of existence

Oh, so ammendments to your constitution have never been repealed in the past? Doesn't your 2nd Ammendment assume regulation is required? "A well regulated..etc"

Yes....this is pointless busy work that does nothing...

Technology has advanced considerably, just because one scheme fails, doesn't mean you should just give up. Ever heard of the saying "If at first you don't succeed..."

And this too, is dumb and pointless....600 million guns in the U.S.........you do realize that as a gun is repeatedly fired it changes the pattern...right?

CAN change the pattern due considerable to wear and tear, true. Oh, you've started posting this 600 million figure, where does that come from?

Americans use their legal guns to stop, on average, 1.2 million crimes a year, including rapes, robberies and murders...

Gun nut fantasies aren't facts.
As you well know, this number you keep quoting is a subjective guess; it could equally be a tenth of that or even ten times that; there are no objective records or statistics available.

There were not 49 mass public shootings you dumb twit.......there were a total of 10 in 2019.....

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

2019....10

Yes, these were shootings carried out by "law abiding" citizens armed with legaly owned guns. Using your own sources' definition, therefore, the UK has had Zero shootings by comparison. Thanks for proving gun control works.

and when an armed citizen happens to have their gun? In the middle of a mass public shooting?

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Your own source disagrees with you. Do Armed Civilians Stop Mass Shooters? Actually, No.

And what about cases in which citizens try to use their guns and things go terribly wrong? There are at least two examples of ill-fated attempts that you won’t see mentioned by those arguing for your kid’s teacher to start stashing a loaded Glock in her classroom:

Shopping mall shooting in Tacoma, Washington
As a rampage unfolded in 2005, a civilian with a concealed-carry permit named Brendan McKown attempted to confront the assailant with his handgun. The assailant gravely wounded McKown, and shot five other people before eventually surrendering to police after a hostage standoff. A comatose McKown recovered after weeks in the hospital.

Courthouse shooting in Tyler, Texas

In 2005, a civilian named Mark Wilson, who was a firearms instructor, fired his licensed handgun at a man on a rampage at the county courthouse. Wilson was shot dead by the body-armored assailant, who wielded an AK-47.

Such actions in chaotic situations don’t just put the well-intentioned citizen at risk, of course. According to Robert McMenomy, an assistant special agent in charge in the San Francisco division of the FBI, they increase the danger for innocent bystanders. (Exhibit A: the gun-wielding civilian who came really close to shooting an innocent person as the Tucson massacre unfolded.) They also make it more difficult for law enforcement officers to do their jobs. “In a scenario like that,” McMenomy said recently, “they wouldn’t know who was good or who was bad, and it would divert them from the real threat.”

What actual police on the ground think.......

These men and women — most of whom actually work the street — have a front row seat to see gun violence in America. They put their lives at risk when they do their jobs, actually coming face-to-face with violent encounters involving firearms.
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And when it comes to finding ways to reduce gun violence and large scale shootings, most cops say a federal ban on so-called “assault weapons” isn’t the answer.

More than 91 percent of respondents say it would either have no effect or a negative effect in reducing violent crime. This is an overwhelming response by those whose job it is to actually deal with this issue on the front lines.

Instead, it is interesting to note that many respondents consider armed citizens as a potential asset in reducing the carnage from a mass murder situation; proactive choices dominate over gun and magazine restrictions and bans.

More than 91 percent of respondents support the concealed carry of firearms by civilians who have not been convicted of a felony and/or not been deemed psychologically/medically incapable.

A full 86 percent feel that casualties would have been reduced or avoided in recent tragedies like Newtown and Aurora if a legally-armed citizen was present (casualties reduced: 80 percent; avoided altogether: 60 percent).

For those who chose the option of casualties being avoided altogether, I took this to mean the deterrent effect of a show of force prior to an event would stop a potential predator from carrying out his murderous intent in the first place.

What checks the sociopath from completing his act is fear. Fear of the unknown or known gun carrier who is going to punch his ticket to hell right then and right there. This has an immediate effect on reducing violent criminal activity.

Cops on the street know the value of officer presence and being ready to go. Criminals see it too, and stay in check. I know from my own street experience how being in shape, being well prepared along with a sharp uniform appearance kept things from escalating time and time again.

More than 81 percent of respondents were in favor of arming teachers and school administrators if they were properly trained and vetted or at least proficient.
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In addition, the survey asked, “On a scale of one to five — one being low and five being high — how important do you think legally-armed citizens are to reducing crime rates overall?”

Three quarters of you (75 percent) answered either four or five, with more than 50 percent answering five.

What would help most in preventing large scale shootings in public? The most popular answer among respondents – at 29 percent – was “more permissive concealed carry policies for civilians,” while 20 percent choose “more-aggressive institutionalization for mentally ill persons.”

Police Gun Control Survey: Are legally-armed citizens the best solution to gun violence?

When it comes to reducing gun violence in America, nobody else in the country has anything close to the experience-based perspective from which cops can speak

www.policeone.com

 

[Vagabond63]

...meanwhile, even in the Black Lives Matter shooting in Dallas, Texas....where 6 police officers were murdered by a supporter of black lives matter, there were armed citizens marching, many with rifles on slings. When the attack happened, they simply found cover and let the police handle the attack...

Well that directly contradicts your assertions about armed citizens being instrumental in stopping active shooter incidents. It also proves my point that you don't need guns to defend yourself, let the police handle it

In the Texas church shooting,

Which one? There have been so many, and in just about every case the gunmen were law abiding citizens armed with legal firearms. The fact that churches in America NEED armed security speaks volumes in favour of gun control.

You make up crap all the time with no knowledge of truth, facts or reality...

Projecting again, I see.

And as to etching bullet casings...

It may not work now, but who knows, as technology gets better, we may have a viable ammunition control system. The Swiss already have rudementary ammunition control, why not America. Solves your 2nd ammendment issues.

Mother Jones is an anti-gun magazine...run by rabidly anti-gun extremists...

...and concealed carry.com is a pro-gun website...run by rabidly pro-gun extremists...

were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

How many of these "successful" armed citizens were off duty or retired military, security, or law enforcement, who had training in dealing with this type of situations?

Here is what the majority of police chiefs say about armed Americans.....

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/NACOP-surveyresults-2016.pdf

And here is a look at the survey....

This made me howl with laughter, 729 Police Chiefs were in the sample, your 94% headline means 692 were in favour...out of over 18,000 Police forces in the USA. 94% of less than 4% of possible respondents, please, stop, oh my aching ribs...

 

[2aguy]

...meanwhile, even in the Black Lives Matter shooting in Dallas, Texas....where 6 police officers were murdered by a supporter of black lives matter, there were armed citizens marching, many with rifles on slings. When the attack happened, they simply found cover and let the police handle the attack...

Well that directly contradicts your assertions about armed citizens being instrumental in stopping active shooter incidents. It also proves my point that you don't need guns to defend yourself, let the police handle it

In the Texas church shooting,

Which one? There have been so many, and in just about every case the gunmen were law abiding citizens armed with legal firearms. The fact that churches in America NEED armed security speaks volumes in favour of gun control.

You make up crap all the time with no knowledge of truth, facts or reality...

Projecting again, I see.

And as to etching bullet casings...

It may not work now, but who knows, as technology gets better, we may have a viable ammunition control system. The Swiss already have rudementary ammunition control, why not America. Solves your 2nd ammendment issues.

Mother Jones is an anti-gun magazine...run by rabidly anti-gun extremists...

...and concealed carry.com is a pro-gun website...run by rabidly pro-gun extremists...

were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

How many of these "successful" armed citizens were off duty or retired military, security, or law enforcement, who had training in dealing with this type of situations?

Here is what the majority of police chiefs say about armed Americans.....

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/NACOP-surveyresults-2016.pdf

And here is a look at the survey....

This made me howl with laughter, 729 Police Chiefs were in the sample, your 94% headline means 692 were in favour...out of over 18,000 Police forces in the USA. 94% of less than 4% of possible respondents, please, stop, oh my aching ribs...

Again...you know nothing.....

When the police aren't right at the scene, you nitwit......in Dallas the police were at the march alongside the citizens with their pistols and rifles......so the police were right there when it happened, unlike 99% of mass public shootings where the attacker picks a gun free zone.....a zone created by banning normal people from carrying guns....you twit...... It was a march of gun owners with the police right there....the black lives matter supporter targeted the police for murder......killing 6 of them.....and the armed citizens, knowing the police were there, allowed them to do their jobs...and the police did not accidentally shoot any of the armed citizens who had AR-15 rifles on slings......

 

[2aguy]

...meanwhile, even in the Black Lives Matter shooting in Dallas, Texas....where 6 police officers were murdered by a supporter of black lives matter, there were armed citizens marching, many with rifles on slings. When the attack happened, they simply found cover and let the police handle the attack...

Well that directly contradicts your assertions about armed citizens being instrumental in stopping active shooter incidents. It also proves my point that you don't need guns to defend yourself, let the police handle it

In the Texas church shooting,

Which one? There have been so many, and in just about every case the gunmen were law abiding citizens armed with legal firearms. The fact that churches in America NEED armed security speaks volumes in favour of gun control.

You make up crap all the time with no knowledge of truth, facts or reality...

Projecting again, I see.

And as to etching bullet casings...

It may not work now, but who knows, as technology gets better, we may have a viable ammunition control system. The Swiss already have rudementary ammunition control, why not America. Solves your 2nd ammendment issues.

Mother Jones is an anti-gun magazine...run by rabidly anti-gun extremists...

...and concealed carry.com is a pro-gun website...run by rabidly pro-gun extremists...

were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

How many of these "successful" armed citizens were off duty or retired military, security, or law enforcement, who had training in dealing with this type of situations?

Here is what the majority of police chiefs say about armed Americans.....

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/NACOP-surveyresults-2016.pdf

And here is a look at the survey....

This made me howl with laughter, 729 Police Chiefs were in the sample, your 94% headline means 692 were in favour...out of over 18,000 Police forces in the USA. 94% of less than 4% of possible respondents, please, stop, oh my aching ribs...

Moron...you really are ignorant and uninformed....

Which one? There have been so many, and in just about every case the gunmen were law abiding citizens armed with legal firearms. The fact that churches in America NEED armed security speaks volumes in favour of gun control.

Since you Europeans are rabid anti-semites and look the other way as muslims gang rape your young girls, the Synagogues in Europe have men with guns protecting them...dittos their Jewish schools...

In several European countries, synagogues are under constant protection of police or army troops. Most of them have volunteer guards, including armed ones. Many also have a security command room, where trained professionals or volunteers use elaborate video surveillance systems to monitor their premises, often while exchanging information with other Jewish institutions in real time.
----------
BRUSSELS — Will security at American Jewish institutions now mirror that of Europe, with its police protection, armed guards, panic rooms and sterile zones at synagogues?

In Europe, synagogues are protected like fortresses. That took decades

Will security at American Jewish institutions now mirror that of Europe, with its police protection, armed guards, panic rooms and sterile zones at synagogues?

jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com

In Europe, synagogues are protected like fortresses. That took decades

Will security at American Jewish institutions now mirror that of Europe, with its police protection, armed guards, panic rooms and sterile zones at synagogues?

jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com

 

[2aguy]

...meanwhile, even in the Black Lives Matter shooting in Dallas, Texas....where 6 police officers were murdered by a supporter of black lives matter, there were armed citizens marching, many with rifles on slings. When the attack happened, they simply found cover and let the police handle the attack...

Well that directly contradicts your assertions about armed citizens being instrumental in stopping active shooter incidents. It also proves my point that you don't need guns to defend yourself, let the police handle it

In the Texas church shooting,

Which one? There have been so many, and in just about every case the gunmen were law abiding citizens armed with legal firearms. The fact that churches in America NEED armed security speaks volumes in favour of gun control.

You make up crap all the time with no knowledge of truth, facts or reality...

Projecting again, I see.

And as to etching bullet casings...

It may not work now, but who knows, as technology gets better, we may have a viable ammunition control system. The Swiss already have rudementary ammunition control, why not America. Solves your 2nd ammendment issues.

Mother Jones is an anti-gun magazine...run by rabidly anti-gun extremists...

...and concealed carry.com is a pro-gun website...run by rabidly pro-gun extremists...

were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

How many of these "successful" armed citizens were off duty or retired military, security, or law enforcement, who had training in dealing with this type of situations?

Here is what the majority of police chiefs say about armed Americans.....

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/NACOP-surveyresults-2016.pdf

And here is a look at the survey....

This made me howl with laughter, 729 Police Chiefs were in the sample, your 94% headline means 692 were in favour...out of over 18,000 Police forces in the USA. 94% of less than 4% of possible respondents, please, stop, oh my aching ribs...

Yes....it disagrees with you, so it doesn't count.........

Nothing you feel about guns is remotely true or accurate or backed up by actual real world situations....

 

[Vagabond63]

...meanwhile, even in the Black Lives Matter shooting in Dallas, Texas....where 6 police officers were murdered by a supporter of black lives matter, there were armed citizens marching, many with rifles on slings. When the attack happened, they simply found cover and let the police handle the attack...

Well that directly contradicts your assertions about armed citizens being instrumental in stopping active shooter incidents. It also proves my point that you don't need guns to defend yourself, let the police handle it

In the Texas church shooting,

Which one? There have been so many, and in just about every case the gunmen were law abiding citizens armed with legal firearms. The fact that churches in America NEED armed security speaks volumes in favour of gun control.

You make up crap all the time with no knowledge of truth, facts or reality...

Projecting again, I see.

And as to etching bullet casings...

It may not work now, but who knows, as technology gets better, we may have a viable ammunition control system. The Swiss already have rudementary ammunition control, why not America. Solves your 2nd ammendment issues.

Mother Jones is an anti-gun magazine...run by rabidly anti-gun extremists...

...and concealed carry.com is a pro-gun website...run by rabidly pro-gun extremists...

were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

How many of these "successful" armed citizens were off duty or retired military, security, or law enforcement, who had training in dealing with this type of situations?

Here is what the majority of police chiefs say about armed Americans.....

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/NACOP-surveyresults-2016.pdf

And here is a look at the survey....

This made me howl with laughter, 729 Police Chiefs were in the sample, your 94% headline means 692 were in favour...out of over 18,000 Police forces in the USA. 94% of less than 4% of possible respondents, please, stop, oh my aching ribs...

Again...you know nothing.....

When the police aren't right at the scene, you nitwit......in Dallas the police were at the march alongside the citizens with their pistols and rifles......so the police were right there when it happened, unlike 99% of mass public shootings where the attacker picks a gun free zone.....a zone created by banning normal people from carrying guns....you twit...... It was a march of gun owners with the police right there....the black lives matter supporter targeted the police for murder......killing 6 of them.....and the armed citizens, knowing the police were there, allowed them to do their jobs...and the police did not accidentally shoot any of the armed citizens who had AR-15 rifles on slings......

So faced with an active shooter, this bunch of fully amed ammosexuals either a) stood around making targets of themselves frozen in abject terror, b) ran for cover n abject panic or c) abandoned the police to their deaths. Whatever the reason this was Not a good advert for carrying guns to protect against armed attacks

Oh, and the police are trained to deal with armed attackers, another good reason not to give guns to amateurs

 

[Vagabond63]

...meanwhile, even in the Black Lives Matter shooting in Dallas, Texas....where 6 police officers were murdered by a supporter of black lives matter, there were armed citizens marching, many with rifles on slings. When the attack happened, they simply found cover and let the police handle the attack...

Well that directly contradicts your assertions about armed citizens being instrumental in stopping active shooter incidents. It also proves my point that you don't need guns to defend yourself, let the police handle it

In the Texas church shooting,

Which one? There have been so many, and in just about every case the gunmen were law abiding citizens armed with legal firearms. The fact that churches in America NEED armed security speaks volumes in favour of gun control.

You make up crap all the time with no knowledge of truth, facts or reality...

Projecting again, I see.

And as to etching bullet casings...

It may not work now, but who knows, as technology gets better, we may have a viable ammunition control system. The Swiss already have rudementary ammunition control, why not America. Solves your 2nd ammendment issues.

Mother Jones is an anti-gun magazine...run by rabidly anti-gun extremists...

...and concealed carry.com is a pro-gun website...run by rabidly pro-gun extremists...

were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

How many of these "successful" armed citizens were off duty or retired military, security, or law enforcement, who had training in dealing with this type of situations?

Here is what the majority of police chiefs say about armed Americans.....

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/NACOP-surveyresults-2016.pdf

And here is a look at the survey....

This made me howl with laughter, 729 Police Chiefs were in the sample, your 94% headline means 692 were in favour...out of over 18,000 Police forces in the USA. 94% of less than 4% of possible respondents, please, stop, oh my aching ribs...

Moron...you really are ignorant and uninformed....

Which one? There have been so many, and in just about every case the gunmen were law abiding citizens armed with legal firearms. The fact that churches in America NEED armed security speaks volumes in favour of gun control.

Since you Europeans are rabid anti-semites and look the other way as muslims gang rape your young girls, the Synagogues in Europe have men with guns protecting them...dittos their Jewish schools...

In several European countries, synagogues are under constant protection of police or army troops. Most of them have volunteer guards, including armed ones. Many also have a security command room, where trained professionals or volunteers use elaborate video surveillance systems to monitor their premises, often while exchanging information with other Jewish institutions in real time.
----------
BRUSSELS — Will security at American Jewish institutions now mirror that of Europe, with its police protection, armed guards, panic rooms and sterile zones at synagogues?

In Europe, synagogues are protected like fortresses. That took decades

Will security at American Jewish institutions now mirror that of Europe, with its police protection, armed guards, panic rooms and sterile zones at synagogues?

jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com

In Europe, synagogues are protected like fortresses. That took decades

Will security at American Jewish institutions now mirror that of Europe, with its police protection, armed guards, panic rooms and sterile zones at synagogues?

jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com

Protected by soldiers or volunteer security who are more than likely ex military or law enforcement.

 

[Vagabond63]

...meanwhile, even in the Black Lives Matter shooting in Dallas, Texas....where 6 police officers were murdered by a supporter of black lives matter, there were armed citizens marching, many with rifles on slings. When the attack happened, they simply found cover and let the police handle the attack...

Well that directly contradicts your assertions about armed citizens being instrumental in stopping active shooter incidents. It also proves my point that you don't need guns to defend yourself, let the police handle it

In the Texas church shooting,

Which one? There have been so many, and in just about every case the gunmen were law abiding citizens armed with legal firearms. The fact that churches in America NEED armed security speaks volumes in favour of gun control.

You make up crap all the time with no knowledge of truth, facts or reality...

Projecting again, I see.

And as to etching bullet casings...

It may not work now, but who knows, as technology gets better, we may have a viable ammunition control system. The Swiss already have rudementary ammunition control, why not America. Solves your 2nd ammendment issues.

Mother Jones is an anti-gun magazine...run by rabidly anti-gun extremists...

...and concealed carry.com is a pro-gun website...run by rabidly pro-gun extremists...

were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

How many of these "successful" armed citizens were off duty or retired military, security, or law enforcement, who had training in dealing with this type of situations?

Here is what the majority of police chiefs say about armed Americans.....

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/NACOP-surveyresults-2016.pdf

And here is a look at the survey....

This made me howl with laughter, 729 Police Chiefs were in the sample, your 94% headline means 692 were in favour...out of over 18,000 Police forces in the USA. 94% of less than 4% of possible respondents, please, stop, oh my aching ribs...

Yes....it disagrees with you, so it doesn't count.........

Nothing you feel about guns is remotely true or accurate or backed up by actual real world situations....

You do keep on projecting, don't you.

 

[2aguy]

...meanwhile, even in the Black Lives Matter shooting in Dallas, Texas....where 6 police officers were murdered by a supporter of black lives matter, there were armed citizens marching, many with rifles on slings. When the attack happened, they simply found cover and let the police handle the attack...

Well that directly contradicts your assertions about armed citizens being instrumental in stopping active shooter incidents. It also proves my point that you don't need guns to defend yourself, let the police handle it

In the Texas church shooting,

Which one? There have been so many, and in just about every case the gunmen were law abiding citizens armed with legal firearms. The fact that churches in America NEED armed security speaks volumes in favour of gun control.

You make up crap all the time with no knowledge of truth, facts or reality...

Projecting again, I see.

And as to etching bullet casings...

It may not work now, but who knows, as technology gets better, we may have a viable ammunition control system. The Swiss already have rudementary ammunition control, why not America. Solves your 2nd ammendment issues.

Mother Jones is an anti-gun magazine...run by rabidly anti-gun extremists...

...and concealed carry.com is a pro-gun website...run by rabidly pro-gun extremists...

were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

How many of these "successful" armed citizens were off duty or retired military, security, or law enforcement, who had training in dealing with this type of situations?

Here is what the majority of police chiefs say about armed Americans.....

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/NACOP-surveyresults-2016.pdf

And here is a look at the survey....

This made me howl with laughter, 729 Police Chiefs were in the sample, your 94% headline means 692 were in favour...out of over 18,000 Police forces in the USA. 94% of less than 4% of possible respondents, please, stop, oh my aching ribs...

Again...you know nothing.....

When the police aren't right at the scene, you nitwit......in Dallas the police were at the march alongside the citizens with their pistols and rifles......so the police were right there when it happened, unlike 99% of mass public shootings where the attacker picks a gun free zone.....a zone created by banning normal people from carrying guns....you twit...... It was a march of gun owners with the police right there....the black lives matter supporter targeted the police for murder......killing 6 of them.....and the armed citizens, knowing the police were there, allowed them to do their jobs...and the police did not accidentally shoot any of the armed citizens who had AR-15 rifles on slings......

So faced with an active shooter, this bunch of fully amed ammosexuals either a) stood around making targets of themselves frozen in abject terror, b) ran for cover n abject panic or c) abandoned the police to their deaths. Whatever the reason this was Not a good advert for carrying guns to protect against armed attacks

Oh, and the police are trained to deal with armed attackers, another good reason not to give guns to amateurs

No......since you are an idiot, you would post something like that.


The Armed citizens stepped back and out of the way and allowed the police to do their jobs. No fear involved, they just showed that what you believe about American gun owners is based in your own ignorance and gross stupidity.

They let the professionals who were on scene handle it....had the police been 10-15 minutes away during an attack where they were armed, these citizens would have bravely stepped up to save lives....unlike in your country where you would simply die .......

You don't know anything about guns or the gun issues......you will find out...as the criminals in Britain are showing, daily, that they don't fear your police or your laws....and they are using guns more and more against each other to take over drug turf.....

 

[2aguy]

...meanwhile, even in the Black Lives Matter shooting in Dallas, Texas....where 6 police officers were murdered by a supporter of black lives matter, there were armed citizens marching, many with rifles on slings. When the attack happened, they simply found cover and let the police handle the attack...

Well that directly contradicts your assertions about armed citizens being instrumental in stopping active shooter incidents. It also proves my point that you don't need guns to defend yourself, let the police handle it

In the Texas church shooting,

Which one? There have been so many, and in just about every case the gunmen were law abiding citizens armed with legal firearms. The fact that churches in America NEED armed security speaks volumes in favour of gun control.

You make up crap all the time with no knowledge of truth, facts or reality...

Projecting again, I see.

And as to etching bullet casings...

It may not work now, but who knows, as technology gets better, we may have a viable ammunition control system. The Swiss already have rudementary ammunition control, why not America. Solves your 2nd ammendment issues.

Mother Jones is an anti-gun magazine...run by rabidly anti-gun extremists...

...and concealed carry.com is a pro-gun website...run by rabidly pro-gun extremists...

were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

How many of these "successful" armed citizens were off duty or retired military, security, or law enforcement, who had training in dealing with this type of situations?

Here is what the majority of police chiefs say about armed Americans.....

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/NACOP-surveyresults-2016.pdf

And here is a look at the survey....

This made me howl with laughter, 729 Police Chiefs were in the sample, your 94% headline means 692 were in favour...out of over 18,000 Police forces in the USA. 94% of less than 4% of possible respondents, please, stop, oh my aching ribs...

Moron...you really are ignorant and uninformed....

Which one? There have been so many, and in just about every case the gunmen were law abiding citizens armed with legal firearms. The fact that churches in America NEED armed security speaks volumes in favour of gun control.

Since you Europeans are rabid anti-semites and look the other way as muslims gang rape your young girls, the Synagogues in Europe have men with guns protecting them...dittos their Jewish schools...

In several European countries, synagogues are under constant protection of police or army troops. Most of them have volunteer guards, including armed ones. Many also have a security command room, where trained professionals or volunteers use elaborate video surveillance systems to monitor their premises, often while exchanging information with other Jewish institutions in real time.
----------
BRUSSELS — Will security at American Jewish institutions now mirror that of Europe, with its police protection, armed guards, panic rooms and sterile zones at synagogues?

In Europe, synagogues are protected like fortresses. That took decades

Will security at American Jewish institutions now mirror that of Europe, with its police protection, armed guards, panic rooms and sterile zones at synagogues?

jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com

In Europe, synagogues are protected like fortresses. That took decades

Will security at American Jewish institutions now mirror that of Europe, with its police protection, armed guards, panic rooms and sterile zones at synagogues?

jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com

Protected by soldiers or volunteer security who are more than likely ex military or law enforcement.

Showing that your country is even more dangerous than the United States when it comes to violence directed against religious communities, you doofus....the threat is so bad in Britian you need trained professionals with guns to protect those Jewish places of worship....you dumb ass.....

While here, we show that armed citizens can keep killers away from our churches, since mass public shooters choose gun free zones to attack.

 

[Vagabond63]

...meanwhile, even in the Black Lives Matter shooting in Dallas, Texas....where 6 police officers were murdered by a supporter of black lives matter, there were armed citizens marching, many with rifles on slings. When the attack happened, they simply found cover and let the police handle the attack...

Well that directly contradicts your assertions about armed citizens being instrumental in stopping active shooter incidents. It also proves my point that you don't need guns to defend yourself, let the police handle it

In the Texas church shooting,

Which one? There have been so many, and in just about every case the gunmen were law abiding citizens armed with legal firearms. The fact that churches in America NEED armed security speaks volumes in favour of gun control.

You make up crap all the time with no knowledge of truth, facts or reality...

Projecting again, I see.

And as to etching bullet casings...

It may not work now, but who knows, as technology gets better, we may have a viable ammunition control system. The Swiss already have rudementary ammunition control, why not America. Solves your 2nd ammendment issues.

Mother Jones is an anti-gun magazine...run by rabidly anti-gun extremists...

...and concealed carry.com is a pro-gun website...run by rabidly pro-gun extremists...

were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

How many of these "successful" armed citizens were off duty or retired military, security, or law enforcement, who had training in dealing with this type of situations?

Here is what the majority of police chiefs say about armed Americans.....

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/NACOP-surveyresults-2016.pdf

And here is a look at the survey....

This made me howl with laughter, 729 Police Chiefs were in the sample, your 94% headline means 692 were in favour...out of over 18,000 Police forces in the USA. 94%

Again...you know nothing..


No......since you are an idiot, you would post something like that.

You really must stop projecting.

...meanwhile, even in the Black Lives Matter shooting in Dallas, Texas....where 6 police officers were murdered by a supporter of black lives matter, there were armed citizens marching, many with rifles on slings. When the attack happened, they simply found cover and let the police handle the attack...

Well that directly contradicts your assertions about armed citizens being instrumental in stopping active shooter incidents. It also proves my point that you don't need guns to defend yourself, let the police handle it

In the Texas church shooting,

Which one? There have been so many, and in just about every case the gunmen were law abiding citizens armed with legal firearms. The fact that churches in America NEED armed security speaks volumes in favour of gun control.

You make up crap all the time with no knowledge of truth, facts or reality...

Projecting again, I see.

And as to etching bullet casings...

It may not work now, but who knows, as technology gets better, we may have a viable ammunition control system. The Swiss already have rudementary ammunition control, why not America. Solves your 2nd ammendment issues.

Mother Jones is an anti-gun magazine...run by rabidly anti-gun extremists...

...and concealed carry.com is a pro-gun website...run by rabidly pro-gun extremists...

were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

How many of these "successful" armed citizens were off duty or retired military, security, or law enforcement, who had training in dealing with this type of situations?

Here is what the majority of police chiefs say about armed Americans.....

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/NACOP-surveyresults-2016.pdf

And here is a look at the survey....

This made me howl with laughter, 729 Police Chiefs were in the sample, your 94% headline means 692 were in favour...out of over 18,000 Police forces in the USA. 94% of less than 4% of possible respondents, please, stop, oh my aching ribs...

Moron...you really are ignorant and uninformed....

Which one? There have been so many, and in just about every case the gunmen were law abiding citizens armed with legal firearms. The fact that churches in America NEED armed security speaks volumes in favour of gun control.

Since you Europeans are rabid anti-semites and look the other way as muslims gang rape your young girls, the Synagogues in Europe have men with guns protecting them...dittos their Jewish schools...

In several European countries, synagogues are under constant protection of police or army troops. Most of them have volunteer guards, including armed ones. Many also have a security command room, where trained professionals or volunteers use elaborate video surveillance systems to monitor their premises, often while exchanging information with other Jewish institutions in real time.
----------
BRUSSELS — Will security at American Jewish institutions now mirror that of Europe, with its police protection, armed guards, panic rooms and sterile zones at synagogues?

In Europe, synagogues are protected like fortresses. That took decades

Will security at American Jewish institutions now mirror that of Europe, with its police protection, armed guards, panic rooms and sterile zones at synagogues?

jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com

In Europe, synagogues are protected like fortresses. That took decades

Will security at American Jewish institutions now mirror that of Europe, with its police protection, armed guards, panic rooms and sterile zones at synagogues?

jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com

Since 1999 there have been 1705 shootings in American places of worship, resulting in 615 deaths. Over the same time period there have been 0 such shootings in the UK. Gun control works.

 

[Vagabond63]

...meanwhile, even in the Black Lives Matter shooting in Dallas, Texas....where 6 police officers were murdered by a supporter of black lives matter, there were armed citizens marching, many with rifles on slings. When the attack happened, they simply found cover and let the police handle the attack...

Well that directly contradicts your assertions about armed citizens being instrumental in stopping active shooter incidents. It also proves my point that you don't need guns to defend yourself, let the police handle it

In the Texas church shooting,

Which one? There have been so many, and in just about every case the gunmen were law abiding citizens armed with legal firearms. The fact that churches in America NEED armed security speaks volumes in favour of gun control.

You make up crap all the time with no knowledge of truth, facts or reality...

Projecting again, I see.

And as to etching bullet casings...

It may not work now, but who knows, as technology gets better, we may have a viable ammunition control system. The Swiss already have rudementary ammunition control, why not America. Solves your 2nd ammendment issues.

Mother Jones is an anti-gun magazine...run by rabidly anti-gun extremists...

...and concealed carry.com is a pro-gun website...run by rabidly pro-gun extremists...

were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

How many of these "successful" armed citizens were off duty or retired military, security, or law enforcement, who had training in dealing with this type of situations?

Here is what the majority of police chiefs say about armed Americans.....

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/NACOP-surveyresults-2016.pdf

And here is a look at the survey....

This made me howl with laughter, 729 Police Chiefs were in the sample, your 94% headline means 692 were in favour...out of over 18,000 Police forces in the USA. 94% of less than 4% of possible respondents, please, stop, oh my aching ribs...

Again...you know nothing.....

When the police aren't right at the scene, you nitwit......in Dallas the police were at the march alongside the citizens with their pistols and rifles......so the police were right there when it happened, unlike 99% of mass public shootings where the attacker picks a gun free zone.....a zone created by banning normal people from carrying guns....you twit...... It was a march of gun owners with the police right there....the black lives matter supporter targeted the police for murder......killing 6 of them.....and the armed citizens, knowing the police were there, allowed them to do their jobs...and the police did not accidentally shoot any of the armed citizens who had AR-15 rifles on slings......

So faced with an active shooter, this bunch of fully amed ammosexuals either a) stood around making targets of themselves frozen in abject terror, b) ran for cover n abject panic or c) abandoned the police to their deaths. Whatever the reason this was Not a good advert for carrying guns to protect against armed attacks

Oh, and the police are trained to deal with armed attackers, another good reason not to give guns to amateurs

No......since you are an idiot, you would post something like that.


The Armed citizens stepped back and out of the way and allowed the police to do their jobs. No fear involved, they just showed that what you believe about American gun owners is based in your own ignorance and gross stupidity.

They let the professionals who were on scene handle it....had the police been 10-15 minutes away during an attack where they were armed, these citizens would have bravely stepped up to save lives....unlike in your country where you would simply die .......

You don't know anything about guns or the gun issues......you will find out...as the criminals in Britain are showing, daily, that they don't fear your police or your laws....and they are using guns more and more against each other to take over drug turf.....

Got it, so in a chaotic shooting situation, this horde of ammosexuals, calmly walked away leaving six dead police officers rather than render assistance, wonder what their comrades in those police forces that participated in your survey would think about their responses in favour of armed civilians reducing gun crime?

 

[2aguy]

...meanwhile, even in the Black Lives Matter shooting in Dallas, Texas....where 6 police officers were murdered by a supporter of black lives matter, there were armed citizens marching, many with rifles on slings. When the attack happened, they simply found cover and let the police handle the attack...

Well that directly contradicts your assertions about armed citizens being instrumental in stopping active shooter incidents. It also proves my point that you don't need guns to defend yourself, let the police handle it

In the Texas church shooting,

Which one? There have been so many, and in just about every case the gunmen were law abiding citizens armed with legal firearms. The fact that churches in America NEED armed security speaks volumes in favour of gun control.

You make up crap all the time with no knowledge of truth, facts or reality...

Projecting again, I see.

And as to etching bullet casings...

It may not work now, but who knows, as technology gets better, we may have a viable ammunition control system. The Swiss already have rudementary ammunition control, why not America. Solves your 2nd ammendment issues.

Mother Jones is an anti-gun magazine...run by rabidly anti-gun extremists...

...and concealed carry.com is a pro-gun website...run by rabidly pro-gun extremists...

were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

How many of these "successful" armed citizens were off duty or retired military, security, or law enforcement, who had training in dealing with this type of situations?

Here is what the majority of police chiefs say about armed Americans.....

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/NACOP-surveyresults-2016.pdf

And here is a look at the survey....

This made me howl with laughter, 729 Police Chiefs were in the sample, your 94% headline means 692 were in favour...out of over 18,000 Police forces in the USA. 94%

Again...you know nothing..


No......since you are an idiot, you would post something like that.

You really must stop projecting.

...meanwhile, even in the Black Lives Matter shooting in Dallas, Texas....where 6 police officers were murdered by a supporter of black lives matter, there were armed citizens marching, many with rifles on slings. When the attack happened, they simply found cover and let the police handle the attack...

Well that directly contradicts your assertions about armed citizens being instrumental in stopping active shooter incidents. It also proves my point that you don't need guns to defend yourself, let the police handle it

In the Texas church shooting,

Which one? There have been so many, and in just about every case the gunmen were law abiding citizens armed with legal firearms. The fact that churches in America NEED armed security speaks volumes in favour of gun control.

You make up crap all the time with no knowledge of truth, facts or reality...

Projecting again, I see.

And as to etching bullet casings...

It may not work now, but who knows, as technology gets better, we may have a viable ammunition control system. The Swiss already have rudementary ammunition control, why not America. Solves your 2nd ammendment issues.

Mother Jones is an anti-gun magazine...run by rabidly anti-gun extremists...

...and concealed carry.com is a pro-gun website...run by rabidly pro-gun extremists...

were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

How many of these "successful" armed citizens were off duty or retired military, security, or law enforcement, who had training in dealing with this type of situations?

Here is what the majority of police chiefs say about armed Americans.....

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/NACOP-surveyresults-2016.pdf

And here is a look at the survey....

This made me howl with laughter, 729 Police Chiefs were in the sample, your 94% headline means 692 were in favour...out of over 18,000 Police forces in the USA. 94% of less than 4% of possible respondents, please, stop, oh my aching ribs...

Moron...you really are ignorant and uninformed....

Which one? There have been so many, and in just about every case the gunmen were law abiding citizens armed with legal firearms. The fact that churches in America NEED armed security speaks volumes in favour of gun control.

Since you Europeans are rabid anti-semites and look the other way as muslims gang rape your young girls, the Synagogues in Europe have men with guns protecting them...dittos their Jewish schools...

In several European countries, synagogues are under constant protection of police or army troops. Most of them have volunteer guards, including armed ones. Many also have a security command room, where trained professionals or volunteers use elaborate video surveillance systems to monitor their premises, often while exchanging information with other Jewish institutions in real time.
----------
BRUSSELS — Will security at American Jewish institutions now mirror that of Europe, with its police protection, armed guards, panic rooms and sterile zones at synagogues?

In Europe, synagogues are protected like fortresses. That took decades

Will security at American Jewish institutions now mirror that of Europe, with its police protection, armed guards, panic rooms and sterile zones at synagogues?

jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com

In Europe, synagogues are protected like fortresses. That took decades

Will security at American Jewish institutions now mirror that of Europe, with its police protection, armed guards, panic rooms and sterile zones at synagogues?

jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com

Since 1999 there have been 1705 shootings in American places of worship, resulting in 615 deaths. Over the same time period there have been 0 such shootings in the UK. Gun control works.

Wrong, you twit.

Again......in Britain, you twit.....you have to have professional security and military personnel to protect Jewish places of worship....that is how dangerous it is to be Jewish in Britain and on the Continent.

You have criminals in Britain with guns....and bullets.......none of your gun control laws stop them from walking into schools, churches, malls or theaters........and more guns are flooding Britain each year as your immigrant gangs use them to protect their gun turf.....and they don't care about the British police, laws or customs...

 

[2aguy]

...meanwhile, even in the Black Lives Matter shooting in Dallas, Texas....where 6 police officers were murdered by a supporter of black lives matter, there were armed citizens marching, many with rifles on slings. When the attack happened, they simply found cover and let the police handle the attack...

Well that directly contradicts your assertions about armed citizens being instrumental in stopping active shooter incidents. It also proves my point that you don't need guns to defend yourself, let the police handle it

In the Texas church shooting,

Which one? There have been so many, and in just about every case the gunmen were law abiding citizens armed with legal firearms. The fact that churches in America NEED armed security speaks volumes in favour of gun control.

You make up crap all the time with no knowledge of truth, facts or reality...

Projecting again, I see.

And as to etching bullet casings...

It may not work now, but who knows, as technology gets better, we may have a viable ammunition control system. The Swiss already have rudementary ammunition control, why not America. Solves your 2nd ammendment issues.

Mother Jones is an anti-gun magazine...run by rabidly anti-gun extremists...

...and concealed carry.com is a pro-gun website...run by rabidly pro-gun extremists...

were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

How many of these "successful" armed citizens were off duty or retired military, security, or law enforcement, who had training in dealing with this type of situations?

Here is what the majority of police chiefs say about armed Americans.....

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/NACOP-surveyresults-2016.pdf

And here is a look at the survey....

This made me howl with laughter, 729 Police Chiefs were in the sample, your 94% headline means 692 were in favour...out of over 18,000 Police forces in the USA. 94% of less than 4% of possible respondents, please, stop, oh my aching ribs...

Again...you know nothing.....

When the police aren't right at the scene, you nitwit......in Dallas the police were at the march alongside the citizens with their pistols and rifles......so the police were right there when it happened, unlike 99% of mass public shootings where the attacker picks a gun free zone.....a zone created by banning normal people from carrying guns....you twit...... It was a march of gun owners with the police right there....the black lives matter supporter targeted the police for murder......killing 6 of them.....and the armed citizens, knowing the police were there, allowed them to do their jobs...and the police did not accidentally shoot any of the armed citizens who had AR-15 rifles on slings......

So faced with an active shooter, this bunch of fully amed ammosexuals either a) stood around making targets of themselves frozen in abject terror, b) ran for cover n abject panic or c) abandoned the police to their deaths. Whatever the reason this was Not a good advert for carrying guns to protect against armed attacks

Oh, and the police are trained to deal with armed attackers, another good reason not to give guns to amateurs

No......since you are an idiot, you would post something like that.


The Armed citizens stepped back and out of the way and allowed the police to do their jobs. No fear involved, they just showed that what you believe about American gun owners is based in your own ignorance and gross stupidity.

They let the professionals who were on scene handle it....had the police been 10-15 minutes away during an attack where they were armed, these citizens would have bravely stepped up to save lives....unlike in your country where you would simply die .......

You don't know anything about guns or the gun issues......you will find out...as the criminals in Britain are showing, daily, that they don't fear your police or your laws....and they are using guns more and more against each other to take over drug turf.....

Got it, so in a chaotic shooting situation, this horde of ammosexuals, calmly walked away leaving six dead police officers rather than render assistance, wonder what their comrades in those police forces that participated in your survey would think about their responses in favour of armed civilians reducing gun crime?

Are you really this stupid....or do you just pretend to be this stupid when you post.

There were professional first responders on the scene you dumb ass....you just can't explain how your theory is so wrong, when we had actual armed citizens on the scene of a democrat party, black lives matter shooting which killed 6 police officers, but none of the armed citizens was accidentally shot by police, and none of the police were shot by armed citizens....how the American armed citizens did not get in the way and did not obstruct dealing with the democrat party, black lives matter supporter who was murdering police officers...

You can't explain how your theory fell apart and nothing you say would happen, actually happened in the real world.......

You have nothing....

 

[2aguy]

...meanwhile, even in the Black Lives Matter shooting in Dallas, Texas....where 6 police officers were murdered by a supporter of black lives matter, there were armed citizens marching, many with rifles on slings. When the attack happened, they simply found cover and let the police handle the attack...

Well that directly contradicts your assertions about armed citizens being instrumental in stopping active shooter incidents. It also proves my point that you don't need guns to defend yourself, let the police handle it

In the Texas church shooting,

Which one? There have been so many, and in just about every case the gunmen were law abiding citizens armed with legal firearms. The fact that churches in America NEED armed security speaks volumes in favour of gun control.

You make up crap all the time with no knowledge of truth, facts or reality...

Projecting again, I see.

And as to etching bullet casings...

It may not work now, but who knows, as technology gets better, we may have a viable ammunition control system. The Swiss already have rudementary ammunition control, why not America. Solves your 2nd ammendment issues.

Mother Jones is an anti-gun magazine...run by rabidly anti-gun extremists...

...and concealed carry.com is a pro-gun website...run by rabidly pro-gun extremists...

were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

How many of these "successful" armed citizens were off duty or retired military, security, or law enforcement, who had training in dealing with this type of situations?

Here is what the majority of police chiefs say about armed Americans.....

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/NACOP-surveyresults-2016.pdf

And here is a look at the survey....

This made me howl with laughter, 729 Police Chiefs were in the sample, your 94% headline means 692 were in favour...out of over 18,000 Police forces in the USA. 94%

Again...you know nothing..


No......since you are an idiot, you would post something like that.

You really must stop projecting.

...meanwhile, even in the Black Lives Matter shooting in Dallas, Texas....where 6 police officers were murdered by a supporter of black lives matter, there were armed citizens marching, many with rifles on slings. When the attack happened, they simply found cover and let the police handle the attack...

Well that directly contradicts your assertions about armed citizens being instrumental in stopping active shooter incidents. It also proves my point that you don't need guns to defend yourself, let the police handle it

In the Texas church shooting,

Which one? There have been so many, and in just about every case the gunmen were law abiding citizens armed with legal firearms. The fact that churches in America NEED armed security speaks volumes in favour of gun control.

You make up crap all the time with no knowledge of truth, facts or reality...

Projecting again, I see.

And as to etching bullet casings...

It may not work now, but who knows, as technology gets better, we may have a viable ammunition control system. The Swiss already have rudementary ammunition control, why not America. Solves your 2nd ammendment issues.

Mother Jones is an anti-gun magazine...run by rabidly anti-gun extremists...

...and concealed carry.com is a pro-gun website...run by rabidly pro-gun extremists...

were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

How many of these "successful" armed citizens were off duty or retired military, security, or law enforcement, who had training in dealing with this type of situations?

Here is what the majority of police chiefs say about armed Americans.....

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/NACOP-surveyresults-2016.pdf

And here is a look at the survey....

This made me howl with laughter, 729 Police Chiefs were in the sample, your 94% headline means 692 were in favour...out of over 18,000 Police forces in the USA. 94% of less than 4% of possible respondents, please, stop, oh my aching ribs...

Moron...you really are ignorant and uninformed....

Which one? There have been so many, and in just about every case the gunmen were law abiding citizens armed with legal firearms. The fact that churches in America NEED armed security speaks volumes in favour of gun control.

Since you Europeans are rabid anti-semites and look the other way as muslims gang rape your young girls, the Synagogues in Europe have men with guns protecting them...dittos their Jewish schools...

In several European countries, synagogues are under constant protection of police or army troops. Most of them have volunteer guards, including armed ones. Many also have a security command room, where trained professionals or volunteers use elaborate video surveillance systems to monitor their premises, often while exchanging information with other Jewish institutions in real time.
----------
BRUSSELS — Will security at American Jewish institutions now mirror that of Europe, with its police protection, armed guards, panic rooms and sterile zones at synagogues?

In Europe, synagogues are protected like fortresses. That took decades

Will security at American Jewish institutions now mirror that of Europe, with its police protection, armed guards, panic rooms and sterile zones at synagogues?

jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com

In Europe, synagogues are protected like fortresses. That took decades

Will security at American Jewish institutions now mirror that of Europe, with its police protection, armed guards, panic rooms and sterile zones at synagogues?

jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com

Since 1999 there have been 1705 shootings in American places of worship, resulting in 615 deaths. Over the same time period there have been 0 such shootings in the UK. Gun control works.

No link...of course.....

 

[2aguy]

Daylight shooting in Britain.....gun free Britain....

Again, which gun control laws kept this shooter from going to a school?

Police officers were called to Abbeville Road, in Clapham, at 5.26 today following reports of a shooting.

Paramedics from the London Ambulance Service attended the incident with officers.

A man in his 20s was found with shotgun injuries, which have been assessed as non life-threatening.

London shooting: Horror attack in Clapham in broad daylight

A MAN has been found with multiple gunshot injuries in Abbeville Road, in Clapham, London.

www.express.co.uk

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Daylight shooting in Britain.....gun free Britain....

Again, which gun control laws kept this shooter from going to a school?

Police officers were called to Abbeville Road, in Clapham, at 5.26 today following reports of a shooting.

Paramedics from the London Ambulance Service attended the incident with officers.

A man in his 20s was found with shotgun injuries, which have been assessed as non life-threatening.

London shooting: Horror attack in Clapham in broad daylight

A MAN has been found with multiple gunshot injuries in Abbeville Road, in Clapham, London.

www.express.co.uk

I think there was a shooting in Liverpool as well. You missed that one. That would make 2 shootings in the UK.

 

[Parker99]

I think big question is why France, UK and Sweden are allowing people to rape people and assault people. You would think they would have tougher jail time and more cops out on the road.But thay are doing the opposite.