Shootings in Britain

[2aguy]

Hey idiot, how often does this happen in the UK. And try to be honest.

But....But.....they have gun control in Britain......right? Then how did this baby get shot in the head in a country that banned handguns?

4 people shot in the middle of a street in Britain..........in gun controlled Britain....

A two-year-old boy who was shot in the head survived after the bullet missed a crucial artery by 1mm, his family have revealed, as they appealed for anyone with information on the shooting to come forward.

The toddler was one of four people, including his mother, who were shot in Energen Close, Harlesden, north-west London, on 3 June.

London family appeals for information after toddler shot in head

Two-year-old survived shooting in Harlesden after bullet missed artery by 1mm

www.theguardian.com

So.....which British gun control law kept these shooters, in Britain, from killing a bunch of kids in a public school?

Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears

Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.

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.4/6/18

Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed

A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.

Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.

The 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.

Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
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Here is the updat, the original is below..

Yep.....this 19 year old got bombs and a glock 19 and 94 rounds of 9mm ammo on the dark web in Britain in order to murder people at the University he used to attend..........

I guess their gun control laws stopped him...right? Or was it pure, dumb luck.....?



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British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.
Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.
As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.
According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.
Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.
The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.
In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”
He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.
====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'

15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.
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'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside

Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.

Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.

The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.

He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.



Children among 10 people in hospital after mass shooting in Manchester

Ten people, including two children, were taken to hospital after a shooting at a street party in the Moss Side area of Manchester.

Armed police officers rushed to the scene on a residential street at 2.30am on Sunday, where a party was being held following a Caribbean Carnival at a nearby park.

Oh, dear, not this BS again. Luck had nothing to do with it. The fantasists you mention had a more difficult time getting their guns because of our gun controls. If they lived in the US they just have to walk into a supermarket and put the gun(s) of their choice into their trolley. Shotguns and rifles are NOT illegal in the UK.

Luck......since criminals have easy access to guns in Britain, they just don't use them to commit murder as often.....

Again...

Explain...how is it that in the U.S. as more Americans own and actually carry guns, our gun murder rate went down 49%....our gun crime rate went down 75%....

You need to explain that.....

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.



The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.



Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...



Britain...
More Guns = More Gun Crime

Britain had access to guns before they banned them.....they had low gun crime, low gun murder.

They banned guns, the gun murder rate spiked for 10 years then returned to the same level...

Your Theory again....

More guns = More Gun Crime

Guns Banned creates no change? That means banning guns for law abiding gun owners had no effect on gun crime.

When your theory states one thing, and you implement your theory, and nothing changes....in science, that means your theory is wrong...
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[2aguy]

Moron......they have fully automatic military weapons in their homes.......they can have as much private ammo as they want........which Swiss gun control law stops them from taking the fully automatic military weapon....which they already have in their possession, and all the private ammo they can carry...to the nearest school, church, mall or theater?

This one and subsequent legislation: SR 514.54 Bundesgesetz vom 20. Juni 1997 über Waffen, Waffenzubehör und Munition (Waffengesetz, WG)
Oh, FYI, in 2004 only 43% of ex-soldiers kept their military rifles at home, by 2015 this number dropped to 11%.

Again....as more Americans own and actually carry guns...our gun murder rate went down 49%....our gun crime rate went down 75%...

How do you explain that?

You still haven't read your own link have you? The article you quote provides several reasons why the gun murder rate went down; gun ownership wasn't one of them. I can equally argue based on your logic that since 1997 when handguns were banned in the UK our gun deaths dropped by 50% and our gun murder rate by 60% (I know you love your percentages)

I also notice you ignore the point that the Swiss can have all the private ammo they want...thus wrecking your entire point about the Swiss having fully automatic military rifles in their homes......you twit.

Not without the required permits. All ammunition sales are monitored and recorded, if you buy ammunition at a range, any unfired bullets have to be returned before you leave; oh, and handgun permits are only valid for 9 months. After that time the owner has to re-apply or sell their gun. Every Canton in Switzerland carefully monitors all firearms in their jurisdiction and you cannot carry a gun in public without another special permit.

Switzerland has some of the most rigorous gun controls in Europe, without actually impinging on people's ability to shoot for sport and recreation (or national defence, for that matter). The USA (and the UK for that matter) could learn a lot from the Swiss without messing with your 2nd Ammendment rights.

Dip shit......you have fully automatic military weapons in the hands of Swiss civilians.....and yet they don't walk around shooting people...

It isn't access to guns that causes gun crime.....it is the willingness to use them for crime.......

If you have a fully automatic military rifle in your home...and ammunition.....which gun control laws keep you from walking out of your house and shooting up a school?

Can you answer that?

 

[2aguy]

Moron......they have fully automatic military weapons in their homes.......they can have as much private ammo as they want........which Swiss gun control law stops them from taking the fully automatic military weapon....which they already have in their possession, and all the private ammo they can carry...to the nearest school, church, mall or theater?

This one and subsequent legislation: SR 514.54 Bundesgesetz vom 20. Juni 1997 über Waffen, Waffenzubehör und Munition (Waffengesetz, WG)
Oh, FYI, in 2004 only 43% of ex-soldiers kept their military rifles at home, by 2015 this number dropped to 11%.

Again....as more Americans own and actually carry guns...our gun murder rate went down 49%....our gun crime rate went down 75%...

How do you explain that?

You still haven't read your own link have you? The article you quote provides several reasons why the gun murder rate went down; gun ownership wasn't one of them. I can equally argue based on your logic that since 1997 when handguns were banned in the UK our gun deaths dropped by 50% and our gun murder rate by 60% (I know you love your percentages)

I also notice you ignore the point that the Swiss can have all the private ammo they want...thus wrecking your entire point about the Swiss having fully automatic military rifles in their homes......you twit.

Not without the required permits. All ammunition sales are monitored and recorded, if you buy ammunition at a range, any unfired bullets have to be returned before you leave; oh, and handgun permits are only valid for 9 months. After that time the owner has to re-apply or sell their gun. Every Canton in Switzerland carefully monitors all firearms in their jurisdiction and you cannot carry a gun in public without another special permit.

Switzerland has some of the most rigorous gun controls in Europe, without actually impinging on people's ability to shoot for sport and recreation (or national defence, for that matter). The USA (and the UK for that matter) could learn a lot from the Swiss without messing with your 2nd Ammendment rights.

What you fail to understand, you doofus...it that your entire argument is

More guns = More gun crime....


In America, as more Americans own and actually carry guns....we had less gun crime..

So the point of the Pew information is that more guns in the hands of normal people does not increase gun crime or gun murder....

Making you whole point completely wrong...you twit.

And actual research shows that as more people own and carry guns, criminals change their criminal behavior...changing from robbing and attacking people to moving into property crime, burglary vs robbery...you twit.

 

[NoNukes]

Hey idiot, how often does this happen in the UK. And try to be honest.

But....But.....they have gun control in Britain......right? Then how did this baby get shot in the head in a country that banned handguns?

4 people shot in the middle of a street in Britain..........in gun controlled Britain....

A two-year-old boy who was shot in the head survived after the bullet missed a crucial artery by 1mm, his family have revealed, as they appealed for anyone with information on the shooting to come forward.

The toddler was one of four people, including his mother, who were shot in Energen Close, Harlesden, north-west London, on 3 June.

London family appeals for information after toddler shot in head

Two-year-old survived shooting in Harlesden after bullet missed artery by 1mm

www.theguardian.com

Not often....why? Because their criminals don't use guns to spray and pray the way American criminals do. The British criminals have access to guns, they don't use them to murder each other as often as American gangs do in democrat party controlled cities.

You moron...you don't understand what the issue is.

Before they banned and confiscated guns in Britain, they had low levels of gun violence.........which you don't understand....then, after they banned and confiscated guns........their gun crime rate did not change....you moron....

That means...since you are slow.....that gun control had no effect on their criminals and how they used their guns..........

Now....the immigrant gangs running British drug turf are using guns and they don't care about British culture or laws......so they are going to get more violent and use their guns more and more.....

You have some nerve calling someone a moron.

 

[NoNukes]

OK, I’ll take your option because we can always get ammo, one way or the other.

Good luck with that.

BTW, here are the facts about the Swiss gun laws in their entirety, not your edited rant: Firearms regulation in Switzerland - Wikipedia

Thank you for making my point. Switzerland has arguably the most rigorous gun control regime anywhere, which means only responsible, well trained citizens can have firearms; in direct contrast with America's pathetic hit and miss regime which means that just about anyone can get a gun easily, from "fine upstanding citizens" all the way over to "criminal low life". Gun control works.

Moron......they have fully automatic military weapons in their homes.......they can have as much private ammo as they want........which Swiss gun control law stops them from taking the fully automatic military weapon....which they already have in their possession, and all the private ammo they can carry...to the nearest school, church, mall or theater?


You are an idiot.......

Again....as more Americans own and actually carry guns...our gun murder rate went down 49%....our gun crime rate went down 75%...

How do you explain that? You hide from answering that question because your theory is wrong....and doesn't explain anything.......it falls apart with the most basic questions..............

Gun crime in the United States is also focused almost exclusively to gangs in democrat party controlled cities, because of their policies on criminals and police.......our gun crime has nothing to do with normal people who own and carry guns..

YOu are wrong.....and don't have any idea what you are talking about.

I also notice you ignore the point that the Swiss can have all the private ammo they want...thus wrecking your entire point about the Swiss having fully automatic military rifles in their homes......you twit.

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.



The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.

Maine tops ‘safest states’ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction

When Maine passed a “Constitutional Carry” law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.



One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.

Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.


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Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Report’s public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.



Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a “Constitutional Carry” state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.

In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same “safest states” ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader “Crime and Corrections” category.

In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the “Crime and Corrections” category and also second in the categories used to rank the “safest states.”

The U.S. News and World Report “Best States” rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.

Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in “Personal and Residential Safety” among the fifty states, and third overall.
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Bolsonaro's Brazil, More Legal Guns, Homicide Rates Down Precipitously

In December, 2018, in an article published by the Wall Street Journal, this pronouncement was made. From the wsj.com:

Now, Brazil is set to embark on an experiment that will determine what happens when you loosen gun restrictions in a country battling an overpowering wave of gun crime.

Homicides in Brazil were at historic highs in 2017. They dropped a bit in 2018, as candidate Bolsonaro ran on reform of the gun laws to allow self defense, and reform of the law to get tough on crime. The homicide numbers dropped from 59,000 in 2017, to 51,000 in 2018. President Bolsonaro was elected in October of 2018.

After taking office on 1 January, 2019, President Bolsonaro issued his first decree reforming some of Brazil's extreme gun laws on 15 January, 2019. The drop in Brazil's homicide rate accelerated.
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Early in the Bolsonaro presidency, a Brazilian lawyer prediceted the homicide rate would drop. From ammoland.com:

César Mello, asked that I include information that early reports are showing a 25% drop in Brazil's homicide rate, in the first quarter of 2019. If this trend continues, 16,000 lives will have been saved in the first year of President Bolsonaro's time in office.

The rate reduction was not quite that high. Only 10,000 lives were saved. From wtop.com:

Brazil had 41,635 killings in 2019, down 19% from the prior year and the least number of homicides since 2007, when the so-called Violence Monitor index was launched. It is a partnership between the non-profit Brazilian Forum of Public Security, the University of Sao Paulo’s Center for the Study of Violence, and news website G1, which published the data Friday.

When translated to homicide rates, the rate dropped 17% in 2018, then 23% more in 2019. The population of Brazil in 2019 was 210 million. The rate of homicides per 100,000 was 19.83. That is less than 2/3 of the homicide rate in 2017, which was 30.8.

The Swiss had to hand in their guns and ammunition years ago.

Wrong.

Right.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Can you answer that?

He tried, see the drool dripping from his mouth?
Probably just another Communist Anti-American dumbass rooting for China.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

The UK is far more dangerous than is reported.
In the UK, the government ACTIVELY suppresses crime statistics.
This is also done in California, NewYork and most Leftist states. Honesty and transparency kills them.

 

[Vagabond63]

Dip shit......you have fully automatic military weapons in the hands of Swiss civilians.....and yet they don't walk around shooting people...

No you don't, that's the point.

You have highly trained and very well disciplined citizen soldiers (and ex-soldiers who are liable for call up in the case of national emergency). Since 2008 they do not have access to ammunition for their weapons; such ammunition is stored in sealed containers at local arsenals. If Swiss "civilians" want to shoot their semi-auto versions, they must buy ammunition from the firing range and return any unspent rounds before they can leave the range.

If America had the same system in place since 1776, your "gun culture" would probably mirror that of the Swiss and no-one would need to carry guns for "self-defence".

 

[Vagabond63]

What you fail to understand, you doofus...it that your entire argument is "More guns = More gun crime..."

No. that has never been my "argument"; that's a projection of your gun control arguments in America onto the UK.

I'm for responsible gun ownership for recreation only; all guns need to be carefully licensed and strictly controlled, for the sake of a safer society.

 

[Vagabond63]

The UK is far more dangerous than is reported.

Prove it.

In the UK, the government ACTIVELY suppresses crime statistics.

Prove it.

 

[Vagabond63]

In America, as more Americans own and actually carry guns....we had less gun crime..

How do you know? You don't register every gun with every owner or strictly monitor sales of firearms. For all you know, those "18.6 million" gun owners you keep quoting own all the "legal" guns in America between them.

Such as this chap. I count 20 firearms in the photo, multiply that by 18.6 million you get 372 million guns, roughly the number of civilian guns in America.

Clearly not everyone in America is such a paranoid coward and many people own fewer, but the again, many will own lots more. Without gun control, all your claims about guns cannot be substantiated. Basically you are talking bollocks.

 

[2aguy]

In America, as more Americans own and actually carry guns....we had less gun crime..

How do you know? You don't register every gun with every owner or strictly monitor sales of firearms. For all you know, those "18.6 million" gun owners you keep quoting own all the "legal" guns in America between them.

Such as this chap. I count 20 firearms in the photo, multiply that by 18.6 million you get 372 million guns, roughly the number of civilian guns in America.
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Clearly not everyone in America is such a paranoid coward and many people own fewer, but the again, many will own lots more. Without gun control, all your claims about guns cannot be substantiated. Basically you are talking bollocks.

You don't understand the issue...which is why you are always wrong.

That 18.6 million people are not just gun owners......they are people who have legal permits to carry a gun for self defense...and are thus documented ........they are not permits for guns, they are permits for individuals............and that number is low, since many of our states are "Constitutional Carry" states, which means you can carry a gun without any license or permit, either open carry of the gun, in some states, or concealed carry or both. That means millions more carry guns that are not on official records.

Our actual gun ownership number is close to if not over 600 million guns.....and if you believe that all those guns are just in a few hands, I have a Bridge in London I would like to sell you...bit of an antique, but it is still very nice......

And as we went from 4.7 million people with permits to carry guns for self defense in the 1990s to over 18.6 million in 2020...

Our gun murder rate went down 49%...

How do you explain that?

Our gun crime rate went down 75%.......

How do you explain that?

Our violent crime rate went down 72%...

How do you explain that?

You can't explain, with your feelings on gun ownership.....how it is that as more Americans not only own but also carry guns, our gun crime rate went down instead of up.....you can't explain that.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

The UK is far more dangerous than is reported.

Prove it.

In the UK, the government ACTIVELY suppresses crime statistics.

Prove it.

Already did. Guess you missed it.

 

[2aguy]

What you fail to understand, you doofus...it that your entire argument is "More guns = More gun crime..."

No. that has never been my "argument"; that's a projection of your gun control arguments in America onto the UK.

I'm for responsible gun ownership for recreation only; all guns need to be carefully licensed and strictly controlled, for the sake of a safer society.

And yet your society isn't safer, and is, in fact, more violent....

From Politifact...

For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

Social media post says U.K. has far higher violent crime rate than U.S. does

The debate over gun policy has inspired a blizzard of messages on social media, from both supporters and opponents of gu

www.politifact.com

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

No. that has never been my "argument"; that's a projection of your gun control arguments in America onto the UK.

I'm for responsible gun ownership for recreation only; all guns need to be carefully licensed and strictly controlled, for the sake of a safer society.

Oh, you mean like Sweden?

lmao

 

[2aguy]

What you fail to understand, you doofus...it that your entire argument is "More guns = More gun crime..."

No. that has never been my "argument"; that's a projection of your gun control arguments in America onto the UK.

I'm for responsible gun ownership for recreation only; all guns need to be carefully licensed and strictly controlled, for the sake of a safer society.

Our society has 600 million guns and over 18.6 million Americans can carry guns for self defense......

Our gun murder rate went down 49%

Our gun crime rate went down 75%.

Our violent crime rate went down 72%.

So....without licensing and with more Americans carrying guns......our crime rates went down........

You will find out, as time goes by and your immigrant gangs start killing each other in larger numbers, that your laws don't do anything to stop criminals from getting and using guns...

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

The UK is FAR more dangerous than the US

Look, the day we let the Communist disarm us is the same day we become4 subjects and persecuted.
No thanks

That said, whenever a hunter "accidentally" kills another hunter, I find it difficult to shed a tear.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Every day we read about stories in "Gun Free" countries of criminals using guns to murder people.

In those countries, everyone is a helpless victim by order of the State. How nice.

 

[2aguy]

Dip shit......you have fully automatic military weapons in the hands of Swiss civilians.....and yet they don't walk around shooting people...

No you don't, that's the point.

You have highly trained and very well disciplined citizen soldiers (and ex-soldiers who are liable for call up in the case of national emergency). Since 2008 they do not have access to ammunition for their weapons; such ammunition is stored in sealed containers at local arsenals. If Swiss "civilians" want to shoot their semi-auto versions, they must buy ammunition from the firing range and return any unspent rounds before they can leave the range.

If America had the same system in place since 1776, your "gun culture" would probably mirror that of the Swiss and no-one would need to carry guns for "self-defence".

Again...they only have to document military ammunition....they have their private ammunition that they don't have to keep at their military base....so again...which gun law there keeps any of them from taking their military, fully automatic rifles with their private ammunition and shooting up a school.....

You can't show us that law.....since they already have the fully automatic military rifles and ammunition...they just don't do it.....yet.....

Our problem isn't a matter of regulating normal gun owners...as I keep showing you.

More Americans own guns and our gun crime rate went down 75 % our gun murder rate went down 49%.

What you refuse to understand is that our gun crime rate is the direct result of the democrat party here in the U.S. constantly releasing violent, repeat gun offenders over and over again...they are the ones who can't legally own any gun, can't legally carry any gun, who are the ones using guns for crime.

This crime is concentrated in the cities completely controlled by the democrat party.

So your theories have no bearing on anything relating to gun ownership in either country........

 

[2aguy]

The UK is FAR more dangerous than the US

Look, the day we let the Communist disarm us is the same day we become4 subjects and persecuted.
No thanks

That said, whenever a hunter "accidentally" kills another hunter, I find it difficult to shed a tear.

And this just in.....

But.....but....why would they have guns?

Automatic weapons?

Automatic Weapons? In Gun free Britain?

Organised criminal gangs from Liverpool have risen to the summit of the UK underworld and “dominate” the firearms and drugs-trade outside London, the latest intelligence from senior officers at the National Crime Agency (NCA) reveals.
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Analysis of encrypted messages from a communications system used by criminals has shown that the city has become the preeminent location for top-tier gangs sourcing high-volume importations of drugs and automatic weapons.
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Analysis by the NFTC found that Merseyside and the broader north-west corridor was home to a network of gun factories converting low-calibre weapons such as the Czech-made Škorpion and Slovakian Grand Power into deadly automatic firearms.

Perfect said that converting weapons was seen by some in the region as a viable business.

A low-calibre Glock handgun bought for £135 in eastern Europe could be converted in just 90 seconds to a 9mm weapon that could be sold for up to £5,000.
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nalysis of the intelligence from EncroChat has revealed other surprises to firearms officers. Perfect said:

“If you’d asked me before Venetic what was the firearm of choice for an organised crime group, I’d have absolutely said the Glock handgun. Venetic showed that the Škorpion SMG and the Grand Power are now becoming that weapon of choice.”

Liverpool gangs 'dominate' gun and drugs trade outside London

National Crime Agency uses encrypted chat to uncover gun factories in north-west

www.theguardian.com

And Grenades? We don't even have that problem here in the U.S.....

In some cases grenades were left in the gardens of targets.