Shocking number of young Americans say other countries are better

[MisterBeale]

 

[pknopp]

I addressed that in the Krugman thread and it's not what we are talking about and that has nothing to do with Bernie.

I'm just following the roads you take me down...But, I would say that if you don't want to defend the ideas you bring up, then what should we discuss?

I've defended everything I support. What I do not support is you defining something that is not what you define it as.

How am I doing that? I am just having a discussion with you, you know....Debating?

This is why it gets old..........I already addressed this. Sanders is a Democratic Socialist, not a Socialist. There is a wide difference. That isn't going to stop you though is it?

Nope....And there is little difference between the two IMHO, when you have the government (centeralized control) over free market.....These are age old debates, and won't stop regardless of whether or not you are tired of arguing it...

That is what we have now. Tariffs are not free market. Bail outs are not free market. Trade deals are not free market. The Federal Reserve is not free market.

 

[MisterBeale]

I'm just following the roads you take me down...But, I would say that if you don't want to defend the ideas you bring up, then what should we discuss?

I've defended everything I support. What I do not support is you defining something that is not what you define it as.

You folks are arguing over a false dichotomy.

I have had this conversation with a friend.

As TPTB own all elite politicians, it is a worthless conversation. In effect, and in the end, pknopp will get what he desires, as Trump is a clandestine democratic socialist.

No, not Socialists but yes all support the same things.......the only difference is in who benefits.

No, the folks you think aren't socialists are elite rulers. The folks you think are socialists are elite rulers.

I've called no one a Socialist.

They all have one goal, complete and total control.

If you think it is about "who benefits" or that they give a shit about the people? You are fooling yourself.

If you think there is a disagreement about the final goals of the system, you are fooling yourself.

They all believe in the same thing, the final goals of Plato's Republic.


Trump "claims" he has rejected the Green Agenda and the Paris climate accord, and the global socialists "claim" it is about climate change and global warming, but both sides are lying.

In that instance there is a lot of lying going around. i'll not argue any different.

Trump is busy doing the work of the global elites, get ready for a time when he will no longer be the face of the ruling elites. . . when it is a liberal in charge, they will implement their plans, a total surveillance grid. Complete global technocracy, ostensibly in the name of preventing "climate catastrophe." But what it is really about is complete control of every single person on the planet.

. . and if this were not the truth, Trump would not be busy using the clandestine agencies subverting governments and fighting to corner the world's market on Lithium, the most important material in the new age. Used in every advanced tech device and battery.

Trump isn't smart enough to do that.

You are right. Trump isn't smart enough. . . Do you even know who his commerce secretary is, former Rothschild Banker, Wilbur Louis Ross Jr.? You know, the guy that bailed him out of all of his bankruptcies?

 

[MisterBeale]

I'm just following the roads you take me down...But, I would say that if you don't want to defend the ideas you bring up, then what should we discuss?

I've defended everything I support. What I do not support is you defining something that is not what you define it as.

How am I doing that? I am just having a discussion with you, you know....Debating?

This is why it gets old..........I already addressed this. Sanders is a Democratic Socialist, not a Socialist. There is a wide difference. That isn't going to stop you though is it?

Nope....And there is little difference between the two IMHO, when you have the government (centeralized control) over free market.....These are age old debates, and won't stop regardless of whether or not you are tired of arguing it...

That is what we have now. Tariffs are not free market. Bail outs are not free market. Trade deals are not free market. The Federal Reserve is not free market.

. . and you think Dirgisme is?!?


That is what these elite rulers want on steroids!

 

[j-mac]

I'm just following the roads you take me down...But, I would say that if you don't want to defend the ideas you bring up, then what should we discuss?

I've defended everything I support. What I do not support is you defining something that is not what you define it as.

How am I doing that? I am just having a discussion with you, you know....Debating?

This is why it gets old..........I already addressed this. Sanders is a Democratic Socialist, not a Socialist. There is a wide difference. That isn't going to stop you though is it?

Nope....And there is little difference between the two IMHO, when you have the government (centeralized control) over free market.....These are age old debates, and won't stop regardless of whether or not you are tired of arguing it...

That is what we have now. Tariffs are not free market. Bail outs are not free market. Trade deals are not free market. The Federal Reserve is not free market.

So, no Trade deals with other countries? Isolationism doesn't work.

The Fed does need to be reformed IMHO, but are you saying that you would just do away with it? How about the Stock Market? Do away with that too?

 

[j-mac]

I've defended everything I support. What I do not support is you defining something that is not what you define it as.

You folks are arguing over a false dichotomy.

I have had this conversation with a friend.

As TPTB own all elite politicians, it is a worthless conversation. In effect, and in the end, pknopp will get what he desires, as Trump is a clandestine democratic socialist.

No, not Socialists but yes all support the same things.......the only difference is in who benefits.

No, the folks you think aren't socialists are elite rulers. The folks you think are socialists are elite rulers.

I've called no one a Socialist.

They all have one goal, complete and total control.

If you think it is about "who benefits" or that they give a shit about the people? You are fooling yourself.

If you think there is a disagreement about the final goals of the system, you are fooling yourself.

They all believe in the same thing, the final goals of Plato's Republic.


Trump "claims" he has rejected the Green Agenda and the Paris climate accord, and the global socialists "claim" it is about climate change and global warming, but both sides are lying.

In that instance there is a lot of lying going around. i'll not argue any different.

Trump is busy doing the work of the global elites, get ready for a time when he will no longer be the face of the ruling elites. . . when it is a liberal in charge, they will implement their plans, a total surveillance grid. Complete global technocracy, ostensibly in the name of preventing "climate catastrophe." But what it is really about is complete control of every single person on the planet.

. . and if this were not the truth, Trump would not be busy using the clandestine agencies subverting governments and fighting to corner the world's market on Lithium, the most important material in the new age. Used in every advanced tech device and battery.

Trump isn't smart enough to do that.

You are right. Trump isn't smart enough. . .

Underestimate him at your own peril....

 

[MisterBeale]

You folks are arguing over a false dichotomy.

I have had this conversation with a friend.

As TPTB own all elite politicians, it is a worthless conversation. In effect, and in the end, pknopp will get what he desires, as Trump is a clandestine democratic socialist.

No, not Socialists but yes all support the same things.......the only difference is in who benefits.

No, the folks you think aren't socialists are elite rulers. The folks you think are socialists are elite rulers.

I've called no one a Socialist.

They all have one goal, complete and total control.

If you think it is about "who benefits" or that they give a shit about the people? You are fooling yourself.

If you think there is a disagreement about the final goals of the system, you are fooling yourself.

They all believe in the same thing, the final goals of Plato's Republic.


Trump "claims" he has rejected the Green Agenda and the Paris climate accord, and the global socialists "claim" it is about climate change and global warming, but both sides are lying.

In that instance there is a lot of lying going around. i'll not argue any different.

Trump is busy doing the work of the global elites, get ready for a time when he will no longer be the face of the ruling elites. . . when it is a liberal in charge, they will implement their plans, a total surveillance grid. Complete global technocracy, ostensibly in the name of preventing "climate catastrophe." But what it is really about is complete control of every single person on the planet.

. . and if this were not the truth, Trump would not be busy using the clandestine agencies subverting governments and fighting to corner the world's market on Lithium, the most important material in the new age. Used in every advanced tech device and battery.

Trump isn't smart enough to do that.

You are right. Trump isn't smart enough. . .

Underestimate him at your own peril....

I guarantee you, Wilbur Ross isn't going anywhere.

. . . as far as "underestimating Trump?"

Trump is Deep State. I never underestimate the Deep State.

 

[pknopp]

I've defended everything I support. What I do not support is you defining something that is not what you define it as.

You folks are arguing over a false dichotomy.

I have had this conversation with a friend.

As TPTB own all elite politicians, it is a worthless conversation. In effect, and in the end, pknopp will get what he desires, as Trump is a clandestine democratic socialist.

No, not Socialists but yes all support the same things.......the only difference is in who benefits.

No, the folks you think aren't socialists are elite rulers. The folks you think are socialists are elite rulers.

I've called no one a Socialist.

They all have one goal, complete and total control.

If you think it is about "who benefits" or that they give a shit about the people? You are fooling yourself.

If you think there is a disagreement about the final goals of the system, you are fooling yourself.

They all believe in the same thing, the final goals of Plato's Republic.


Trump "claims" he has rejected the Green Agenda and the Paris climate accord, and the global socialists "claim" it is about climate change and global warming, but both sides are lying.

In that instance there is a lot of lying going around. i'll not argue any different.

Trump is busy doing the work of the global elites, get ready for a time when he will no longer be the face of the ruling elites. . . when it is a liberal in charge, they will implement their plans, a total surveillance grid. Complete global technocracy, ostensibly in the name of preventing "climate catastrophe." But what it is really about is complete control of every single person on the planet.

. . and if this were not the truth, Trump would not be busy using the clandestine agencies subverting governments and fighting to corner the world's market on Lithium, the most important material in the new age. Used in every advanced tech device and battery.

Trump isn't smart enough to do that.

You are right. Trump isn't smart enough. . . Do you even know who his commerce secretary is, former Rothschild Banker, Wilbur Louis Ross Jr.? You know, the guy that bailed him out of all of his bankruptcies?

No argument there.

 

[pknopp]

I've defended everything I support. What I do not support is you defining something that is not what you define it as.

How am I doing that? I am just having a discussion with you, you know....Debating?

This is why it gets old..........I already addressed this. Sanders is a Democratic Socialist, not a Socialist. There is a wide difference. That isn't going to stop you though is it?

Nope....And there is little difference between the two IMHO, when you have the government (centeralized control) over free market.....These are age old debates, and won't stop regardless of whether or not you are tired of arguing it...

That is what we have now. Tariffs are not free market. Bail outs are not free market. Trade deals are not free market. The Federal Reserve is not free market.

So, no Trade deals with other countries? Isolationism doesn't work.

The Fed does need to be reformed IMHO, but are you saying that you would just do away with it? How about the Stock Market? Do away with that too?

You can try and justify all of this any way you want, but it is not a free market. Quit trying to pretend that is what you are arguing for.

The stock market can exist as it was originally intended to exist but no longer does.

 

[ChemEngineer]

That is what we have now. Tariffs are not free market. Bail outs are not free market. Trade deals are not free market. The Federal Reserve is not free market.

You Leftists HATE the free market. You DESPISE the free market. Yet you spin nonsense to suit your cynical socialist narrative. How reprehensibly dishonest of you. There are many compromises which are made for perfectly valid reasons. Other countries establish laws for their own advantage, not ours. We are entitled to do likewise. Leftist nonsense has been propounded for decades and it has failed time and again. You get up, brush yourselves off, and continue with the same insistence and condescension as ever.

 

[pknopp]

That is what we have now. Tariffs are not free market. Bail outs are not free market. Trade deals are not free market. The Federal Reserve is not free market.

You Leftists HATE the free market. You DESPISE the free market. Yet you spin nonsense to suit your cynical socialist narrative. How reprehensibly dishonest of you. There are many compromises which are made for perfectly valid reasons. Other countries establish laws for their own advantage, not ours. We are entitled to do likewise. Leftist nonsense has been propounded for decades and it has failed time and again. You get up, brush yourselves off, and continue with the same insistence and condescension as ever.

I have said over and over that if we got rid of things like bail outs, tariffs and the Federal Reserve that I would in return quit arguing for the little people as then there would be less of a need.

Think that is going to happen and again, you really can't hate something that doesn't even actually exist.

 

[BULLDOG]

The findings showed that within the age group of 19-29, 47 percent of adult Democrat and Democrat-leaning individuals believe that there are other countries better than the United States, while within the same age group, 19 percent of Republican and Republican-leaning individuals agree. That leaves only 53 percent of young Democrats who prefer the United States to any other country, while 81 percent of young Republicans favor America.

Shocking number of young Americans say other countries are better

Why are taxpayers still subsidising these progressive bastions of America hate? This is what you're sending your kids off to come back as?

Why are you still falling for stories from that fake web site?

Younger Americans more likely than older adults to say there are other countries that are better than the U.S.

Younger Americans more likely than older adults to say there are other countries that are better than the U.S.

Pew Research is a "fake" web site? Since when?

The Pew Research Center is a nonpartisan American think tank (referring to itself as a "fact tank") based in Washington, D.C. It provides information on social issues, public opinion, and demographic trends shaping the United States and the world.[3] It also conducts public opinion polling, demographic research, media content analysis, and other empirical social science research. The Pew Research Center does not take policy positions, and is a subsidiary of The Pew Charitable Trusts.[4][5]
Pew Research Center - Wikipedia

There is a difference between acknowledging other countries do some things better than us and hating America, you idiot. You are really too dumb to understand that, aren't you?

 

[j-mac]

How am I doing that? I am just having a discussion with you, you know....Debating?

This is why it gets old..........I already addressed this. Sanders is a Democratic Socialist, not a Socialist. There is a wide difference. That isn't going to stop you though is it?

Nope....And there is little difference between the two IMHO, when you have the government (centeralized control) over free market.....These are age old debates, and won't stop regardless of whether or not you are tired of arguing it...

That is what we have now. Tariffs are not free market. Bail outs are not free market. Trade deals are not free market. The Federal Reserve is not free market.

So, no Trade deals with other countries? Isolationism doesn't work.

The Fed does need to be reformed IMHO, but are you saying that you would just do away with it? How about the Stock Market? Do away with that too?

You can try and justify all of this any way you want, but it is not a free market. Quit trying to pretend that is what you are arguing for.

The stock market can exist as it was originally intended to exist but no longer does.

And how was that?

 

[MisterBeale]

The findings showed that within the age group of 19-29, 47 percent of adult Democrat and Democrat-leaning individuals believe that there are other countries better than the United States, while within the same age group, 19 percent of Republican and Republican-leaning individuals agree. That leaves only 53 percent of young Democrats who prefer the United States to any other country, while 81 percent of young Republicans favor America.

Shocking number of young Americans say other countries are better

Why are taxpayers still subsidising these progressive bastions of America hate? This is what you're sending your kids off to come back as?

Why are you still falling for stories from that fake web site?

Younger Americans more likely than older adults to say there are other countries that are better than the U.S.

Younger Americans more likely than older adults to say there are other countries that are better than the U.S.

Pew Research is a "fake" web site? Since when?

The Pew Research Center is a nonpartisan American think tank (referring to itself as a "fact tank") based in Washington, D.C. It provides information on social issues, public opinion, and demographic trends shaping the United States and the world.[3] It also conducts public opinion polling, demographic research, media content analysis, and other empirical social science research. The Pew Research Center does not take policy positions, and is a subsidiary of The Pew Charitable Trusts.[4][5]
Pew Research Center - Wikipedia

There is a difference between acknowledging other countries do some things better than us and hating America, you idiot. You are really too dumb to understand that, aren't you?

You stated that data was taken from a "fake web site." As in, it was fake information. I pointed out, you made a false claim.

I have no qualms with your argument per se. No reason to make the fact that I proved your contention wrong. If you have nothing else, no reason to resort to Ad hominem. Just say. . ."oh, I apologize, you are right."

Nothing else needed.

 

[j-mac]

The findings showed that within the age group of 19-29, 47 percent of adult Democrat and Democrat-leaning individuals believe that there are other countries better than the United States, while within the same age group, 19 percent of Republican and Republican-leaning individuals agree. That leaves only 53 percent of young Democrats who prefer the United States to any other country, while 81 percent of young Republicans favor America.

Shocking number of young Americans say other countries are better

Why are taxpayers still subsidising these progressive bastions of America hate? This is what you're sending your kids off to come back as?

Why are you still falling for stories from that fake web site?

It's just a poll...Gheeze....Something to discuss....Whether or not you put any stock in the poll itself, if you've been out anywhere over the past couple of years, and talked to any young person (college age) about what they lean toward as their vision of America as they become the ones controlling the levers of power in this country, many idealize notions like Socialism as benevelant, and proper....That, as someone who is aging, scares the hell out of me.

But it's not presented as just a poll. It's presented as an absurd accusation, dumb ass. Nasty right wing accusations and hyperbole have become so common till it's just the natural thing for you to do, and you don't even recognize you are doing it. Fuck that and fuck you.

Fuck me? What a strange response....All I am doing here is trying to have a conversation, if that upsets you maybe you should try something easier....

 

[BULLDOG]

The findings showed that within the age group of 19-29, 47 percent of adult Democrat and Democrat-leaning individuals believe that there are other countries better than the United States, while within the same age group, 19 percent of Republican and Republican-leaning individuals agree. That leaves only 53 percent of young Democrats who prefer the United States to any other country, while 81 percent of young Republicans favor America.

Shocking number of young Americans say other countries are better

Why are taxpayers still subsidising these progressive bastions of America hate? This is what you're sending your kids off to come back as?

Why are you still falling for stories from that fake web site?

It's just a poll...Gheeze....Something to discuss....Whether or not you put any stock in the poll itself, if you've been out anywhere over the past couple of years, and talked to any young person (college age) about what they lean toward as their vision of America as they become the ones controlling the levers of power in this country, many idealize notions like Socialism as benevelant, and proper....That, as someone who is aging, scares the hell out of me.

But it's not presented as just a poll. It's presented as an absurd accusation, dumb ass. Nasty right wing accusations and hyperbole have become so common till it's just the natural thing for you to do, and you don't even recognize you are doing it. Fuck that and fuck you.

Fuck me? What a strange response....All I am doing here is trying to have a conversation, if that upsets you maybe you should try something easier....

Most don't try to start a civil conversation with an absurd hyperbolic accusation as you did. It's a great way to start an argument though.

 

[j-mac]

Why are taxpayers still subsidising these progressive bastions of America hate? This is what you're sending your kids off to come back as?

Why are you still falling for stories from that fake web site?

It's just a poll...Gheeze....Something to discuss....Whether or not you put any stock in the poll itself, if you've been out anywhere over the past couple of years, and talked to any young person (college age) about what they lean toward as their vision of America as they become the ones controlling the levers of power in this country, many idealize notions like Socialism as benevelant, and proper....That, as someone who is aging, scares the hell out of me.

But it's not presented as just a poll. It's presented as an absurd accusation, dumb ass. Nasty right wing accusations and hyperbole have become so common till it's just the natural thing for you to do, and you don't even recognize you are doing it. Fuck that and fuck you.

Fuck me? What a strange response....All I am doing here is trying to have a conversation, if that upsets you maybe you should try something easier....

Most don't try to start a civil conversation with an absurd hyperbolic accusation as you did. It's a great way to start an argument though.

And what was the "Hyperbolic accusation" you say I made? Be sure to quote ME as saying it...

 

[pknopp]

This is why it gets old..........I already addressed this. Sanders is a Democratic Socialist, not a Socialist. There is a wide difference. That isn't going to stop you though is it?

Nope....And there is little difference between the two IMHO, when you have the government (centeralized control) over free market.....These are age old debates, and won't stop regardless of whether or not you are tired of arguing it...

That is what we have now. Tariffs are not free market. Bail outs are not free market. Trade deals are not free market. The Federal Reserve is not free market.

So, no Trade deals with other countries? Isolationism doesn't work.

The Fed does need to be reformed IMHO, but are you saying that you would just do away with it? How about the Stock Market? Do away with that too?

You can try and justify all of this any way you want, but it is not a free market. Quit trying to pretend that is what you are arguing for.

The stock market can exist as it was originally intended to exist but no longer does.

And how was that?

It was supposed to work by people investing in business and growing those businesses.

Now it's all about the Fed keeping the bubbles inflated.

 

[BULLDOG]

Why are you still falling for stories from that fake web site?

It's just a poll...Gheeze....Something to discuss....Whether or not you put any stock in the poll itself, if you've been out anywhere over the past couple of years, and talked to any young person (college age) about what they lean toward as their vision of America as they become the ones controlling the levers of power in this country, many idealize notions like Socialism as benevelant, and proper....That, as someone who is aging, scares the hell out of me.

But it's not presented as just a poll. It's presented as an absurd accusation, dumb ass. Nasty right wing accusations and hyperbole have become so common till it's just the natural thing for you to do, and you don't even recognize you are doing it. Fuck that and fuck you.

Fuck me? What a strange response....All I am doing here is trying to have a conversation, if that upsets you maybe you should try something easier....

Most don't try to start a civil conversation with an absurd hyperbolic accusation as you did. It's a great way to start an argument though.

And what was the "Hyperbolic accusation" you say I made? Be sure to quote ME as saying it...

If you are incapable of understanding your own OP, I can't help you.

 

[j-mac]

Nope....And there is little difference between the two IMHO, when you have the government (centeralized control) over free market.....These are age old debates, and won't stop regardless of whether or not you are tired of arguing it...

That is what we have now. Tariffs are not free market. Bail outs are not free market. Trade deals are not free market. The Federal Reserve is not free market.

So, no Trade deals with other countries? Isolationism doesn't work.

The Fed does need to be reformed IMHO, but are you saying that you would just do away with it? How about the Stock Market? Do away with that too?

You can try and justify all of this any way you want, but it is not a free market. Quit trying to pretend that is what you are arguing for.

The stock market can exist as it was originally intended to exist but no longer does.

And how was that?

It was supposed to work by people investing in business and growing those businesses.

Now it's all about the Fed keeping the bubbles inflated.

I'm no genius, I'll admit it, but I'm pretty sure that the Fed, has nothing to do with the stock market....Your first sentence is exactly how it works, although simplisticly....