SCOTUS allows Trump to finish dismantling the Department of Education





"cuts that haven't gone into effect yet"?

I suppose you can be forgiven for not knowing how budgeting and planning work in government.

These cuts were announced right at the point where states and BoE's all across the country were beginning to assemble their own budgets.

And many of these DOGE attacks have already gone into effect, contrary to your claim. Trump did not wait for the fiscal year to end before he launched his attacks on educations.
The claim is Trump went easy on Democrats and hard on Republicans. Why did this upset you? Read the article you posted again.
 
Good way to ignore the 20 million spent, and that was 25 years ago. They spend more now on leftwing causes like no charter schools.
Charter schools are a gamble. Many close due to financial mismanagement and embezzlement causing the loss of taxpayer funds when they close. There is also the adding of those students to public schools with zero funding because it was already spent.
 
About 45 year ago, I took some education courses in college. It was a total waste of time. You take a retired engineer, they would be a better math teacher than any pedagogy student. There's a saying: "If you can't do it, teach it, and if you can't teach it, teach teachers how to teach it. That describes education departments at universities perfectly. They should all be dissolved. A whole bunch of make-work nonsense from a bunch of leftwingers.
All they are doing is creating Democrat voters and Marxist tools, by brainwashing them.
 
Charter schools are a gamble. Many close due to financial mismanagement and embezzlement causing the loss of taxpayer funds when they close. There is also the adding of those students to public schools with zero funding because it was already spent.
Charter schools have shown positive performance metrics in recent studies, indicating that they can be more effective than traditional public schools. Here are some key points from recent research:

 
My granddaughter goes to a charter school. The school has no transgender policies, and the teachers keep their politics to themselves. When she started I got texts with links to her teachers and progress reports. No religion, no politics. The only problem is that there are so many parents that want their kids to go there and there is a long line. We waited a couple of years after she got on the list. Then the school does assessments, puts kids in the appropriate classes and tracks their progress. Parents have access to all this information.
 
Charter schools are a gamble. Many close due to financial mismanagement and embezzlement causing the loss of taxpayer funds when they close. There is also the adding of those students to public schools with zero funding because it was already spent.
I guess when you have access to public funds a public school would never close. But, the closure of charter schools is due in part to them not getting dollar for dollar of what a public school gets and charter schools have to buy the real estate and build the buildings whereas public schools don't.

Can you show me where in the budget of public schools they account for the real estate, classroom construction and maintenance as a part of their education costs?

From GROK AI if you want to read it all:

Public School Budgets and Facility Costs. Public school budgets typically separate operational costs (e.g., salaries, supplies, instruction) from capital outlays, which include real estate, construction, and maintenance. These costs are often funded through distinct mechanisms, such as general funds, capital budgets, or bond measures, and are accounted for in specific budgetary categories. Here’s how these costs are generally handled:
  1. Capital Outlays for Real Estate and Construction:
    • Land Acquisition and Construction: Public schools rarely purchase new land or build facilities directly from their annual operating budgets. Instead, these costs are covered through capital budgets, often funded by voter-approved bonds, state grants, or dedicated capital funds. For example:
      • In New York City, the Department of Education’s 2020–2024 capital plan allocated $7.9 billion for constructing 56,917 new K-12 seats, with an average cost of $121,270 per seat. This covers land acquisition, new school construction, and expansions.

      • In Tennessee, a 2024 report estimated $9.8 billion is needed for public school construction and upgrades, often funded through state and local bonds.

      • In Pennsylvania, the PlanCon program reimburses school districts for major construction projects, with costs tracked separately from operational budgets.
    • Budget Line Items: Capital outlays appear in public school district budgets under categories like “Capital Expenditures” or “Facilities Acquisition and Construction.” For instance, the National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) reports that in 2020–21, capital outlays for public schools nationwide accounted for about 11% of total expenditures ($103 billion out of $927 billion), covering land purchases, new buildings, and renovations.

    • Bond Funding: Districts often rely on voter-approved bonds for large projects. For example, in Palo Alto, California, the Measure A and Measure Z Strong Schools Bonds (2008 and 2018) provided $378 million and $460 million, respectively, for construction and renovations, including classroom buildings.
  2. Maintenance and Operations:
    • Maintenance Costs: Maintenance is typically included in the operational budget under the subfunction “Operations and Maintenance” or “Facilities Maintenance.” According to NCES, in 2020–21, operations and maintenance accounted for a portion of the $927 billion in total public school expenditures, with specific costs like utilities, repairs, and custodial services included. This category made up about 9–10% of current expenditures (roughly $83–92 billion nationally).


    • Budget Line Items: These costs are often listed as “Plant Operations and Maintenance” or “Building Services” in district budgets. For example, in Memphis-Shelby County Schools, maintenance projects are funded through operational budgets, but a 2024 report noted $94 million was reallocated from maintenance to other operational expenses due to fiscal constraints.

    • Deferred Maintenance: Many districts defer maintenance to save costs, leading to backlogs. A 2002 U.S. Department of Education estimate pegged the cost to bring schools to “good condition” at $127 billion, with 30% needing extensive repairs. California alone had a $22 billion infrastructure need, partly due to deferred maintenance.

  3. Real Estate Costs:
    • Land Ownership: Public schools typically don’t account for real estate costs in their annual budgets because land is often already owned by the school district or local government. When new land is needed, it’s funded through capital budgets or bonds, as mentioned above. For example, the cost of land in high-cost areas like urban centers can equal or exceed construction costs, but these are one-time expenses covered by capital plans.

    • Accounting for Real Estate: Unlike charter schools, which often lease or purchase facilities, public schools rarely include real estate costs as a recurring expense. Instead, these are treated as capital investments, amortized over decades through bond repayments. Districts may report these under “Debt Service” if bonds are used. For instance, the Urban Institute notes that local governments cover 99% of direct spending on school facilities, often through property taxes or bonds.
Comparison to Charter SchoolsCharter schools, unlike public schools, often receive per-pupil funding that excludes dedicated facility funding. A 2014 study by the University of Arkansas found that public schools received about $2,000–$3,000 more per pupil in facilities funding compared to charter schools. Charter schools must often:
  • Lease or Purchase Facilities: Pay for real estate out of operational funds, which can consume 10–20% of their budgets.
  • Fund Construction: Secure loans or private funding for building projects, unlike public schools’ access to bonds or state programs.
  • Cover Maintenance: Handle all maintenance costs without separate capital budgets, straining operational funds.
This disparity can contribute to financial instability, increasing the risk of closure due to mismanagement or insufficient funds to cover facility costs. The National Charter School Resource Center notes that facility costs are a leading cause of financial strain for charter schools, with some spending up to 15% of their budget on rent or mortgages.Where Costs Appear in Public School BudgetsTo summarize where real estate, construction, and maintenance appear in public school budgets:
  • Capital Budgets: Land acquisition and construction are funded through bonds, state grants, or capital outlays, listed as “Facilities Acquisition and Construction” or “Capital Expenditures.” Nationally, this is about 11% of total expenditures ($103 billion in 2020–21).

  • Operational Budgets: Maintenance is included under “Operations and Maintenance,” typically 9–10% of current expenditures ($83–92 billion in 2020–21).


  • Debt Service: Bond repayments for land and construction may appear as “Debt Service” in district budgets, covering long-term facility costs.
  • State Programs: In states like Pennsylvania (PlanCon) or Virginia, construction costs are tracked separately and partially reimbursed by the state.

Limitations and Data GapsPrecise budget breakdowns vary by state and district, and not all districts transparently report facility costs separately from operational expenses. The NCES provides national aggregates, but local budgets may obscure real estate costs under broad categories like “capital outlays.” Additionally, older schools with paid-off facilities may not reflect real estate costs in current budgets, unlike charter schools facing ongoing lease or mortgage payments.
 
Against nutritious meals for kids?
Against kids throwing food in trash and going hungry rather than eat some of the stuff they were being served, especially when public school cafeterias were being forced to take and use all the highly-processed surplus crap the government was giving them as a way to give farmers welfare without calling it welfare. Public school cafeterias generally are not staffed or funded for what it would take to provide quality meals kids would enjoy.
 
My granddaughter goes to a charter school. The school has no transgender policies, and the teachers keep their politics to themselves. When she started I got texts with links to her teachers and progress reports. No religion, no politics. The only problem is that there are so many parents that want their kids to go there and there is a long line. We waited a couple of years after she got on the list. Then the school does assessments, puts kids in the appropriate classes and tracks their progress. Parents have access to all this information.
Outstanding report. 🏫⬆️⬆️⬆️
 




"cuts that haven't gone into effect yet"?

I suppose you can be forgiven for not knowing how budgeting and planning work in government.

These cuts were announced right at the point where states and BoE's all across the country were beginning to assemble their own budgets.

And many of these DOGE attacks have already gone into effect, contrary to your claim. Trump did not wait for the fiscal year to end before he launched his attacks on educations.
From your first link TOM.
The five grants in question–Title I, Part C (funding for migrant education),Title II, Part A (grants for educator development), Title III, Part A (funds for English learners), Title IV, Part A (money for student support and enrichment programs), and Title IV, Part B (funding for 21st-century learning centers)–total $6.2 billion. (Additional withheld funds for adult learners bring the amount of education funding at risk up to $6.8 billion.)
All of those are illegal alien expenses and why do we need more money for them when we hire bilingual teachers?
 
... Then the school does assessments, puts kids in the appropriate classes and tracks their progress. Parents have access to all this information.
All that is true at traditional public schools as well.
 

JES.....John Edgar Slow horses, AKA.........Da Horses A**, is blowing smoke, as usual. Of course, a larger % of teachers in the union are going to vote against the GOP. But, the facts are--------------->that a larger % of people wanting to send their children elsewhere, are going to vote, GOP!

If the government is willing to stick a voucher for 10, 12, 15 THOUSAND dollars in your hand and tell you to send your child/children to virtually any school you wish, why would you NOT take the choice?!?!?!?! They are going to allow you to send them to the EXACT SAME SCHOOL under the old deal they would have went to.

So let us all/everyone get this correct---------------->People get a choice, and instead, the LEFT believes that Americans would rather have no CHOICE?

Wait a minute, WAIT a minute---------> YOU LEFTISTS insist that abortion, is all about a womans RIGHT to choose! And yet, you give parents NO CHOICE for their children's education.......IF they CHOSE NOT to abort them!

You LEFTISTS really are pathetic!
 
JES.....John Edgar Slow horses, AKA.........Da Horses A**, is blowing smoke, as usual. Of course, a larger % of teachers in the union are going to vote against the GOP. But, the facts are--------------->that a larger % of people wanting to send their children elsewhere, are going to vote, GOP!

If the government is willing to stick a voucher for 10, 12, 15 THOUSAND dollars in your hand and tell you to send your child/children to virtually any school you wish, why would you NOT take the choice?!?!?!?! They are going to allow you to send them to the EXACT SAME SCHOOL under the old deal they would have went to.

So let us all/everyone get this correct---------------->People get a choice, and instead, the LEFT believes that Americans would rather have no CHOICE?

Wait a minute, WAIT a minute---------> YOU LEFTISTS insist that abortion, is all about a womans RIGHT to choose! And yet, you give parents NO CHOICE for their children's education.......IF they CHOSE NOT to abort them!

You LEFTISTS really are pathetic!

... because it is to make private schools richer by raising their tuition and fees by the amount of the government give out.

Why should we enrich private schools with government funds?

The lower classes still won't be able to send their kids.
 
Where has the point of this thread gone? Are we talking about private schools, vouchers, charter schools, or public schools?
 
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... because it is to make private schools richer by raising their tuition and fees by the amount of the government give out.

Why should we enrich private schools with government funds?

The lower classes still won't be able to send their kids.

Says who? YOU!

Why is it that other countries, can educate their children/students, far better than we can for much less?

I am convinced that this is NOT a teacher problem, but rather a teacher UNION problem!

But hey, I say----------->let Americans use their power of CHOICE, and they will pick the winners, and the losers. They have done it with autos, with televisions, and with video recording software.......such as Beta-Max, and VHS. Why are you so worried about allowing THIS choice John Edgar? Are you a teacher?
 
So now Skye can have her favorite school indoctrinate the kids.

And iamwhosure can ignore logic. Of course, they will increase their prices by the subsidy.
 
So now Skye can have her favorite school indoctrinate the kids.

And iamwhosure can ignore logic. Of course, they will increase their prices by the subsidy.

That is a nonsense comeback. Who here, or in the federal government has said----------------->that YOU CAN NOT CHOOSE to send your child to where he was sent by the government? All they have done, has given you choice if you do NOT want to!

Do you and your friends, realize how absolutely ridiculous you sound!
 
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