Scientists: Dishonest or Afraid

[ReinyDays]

Mankind contributes 6 billion tons you moron. If you can't get even that part right what makes you think we should pay attention to anything else you say.
Get real.

It always gives me great pleasure to use the Alarmists' numbers here ... that's 36.2 billion tons CO2 ... or 5.4 ppmv ...

Well over half the CO2 claimed to be emitted simply disappears ... we only measure a 2.3 ppmv increase ... 3.1 ppmv is gone, simply gone ... the ocean surface will absorb some but only to the equilibrium level, not one gram more ...

So, either plants are consuming CO2 at a very high rate or the Alarmists are (God forbid) exaggerating ...

 

[ReinyDays]

Amundsen took three years to put an eighty ton reinforced herring boat through the Northwest Passage. In 2016, a 1000 passenger luxury liner did the passage.

No More Crystal Serenity in the Northwest Passage

You need to study history more ... Amundsen camped out with the Eskimos for two years learning their way of life and how to survive in the polar regions of the Earth ... all lessons that served Amundsen on his South Pole expedition, and what went horribly wrong for Scott ...

Which 1000 passenger luxury liner relies solely on sails for propulsion? ...

 

[westwall]

Mankind contributes 6 billion tons you moron. If you can't get even that part right what makes you think we should pay attention to anything else you say.
Get real.

It always gives me great pleasure to use the Alarmists' numbers here ... that's 36.2 billion tons CO2 ... or 5.4 ppmv ...

Well over half the CO2 claimed to be emitted simply disappears ... we only measure a 2.3 ppmv increase ... 3.1 ppmv is gone, simply gone ... the ocean surface will absorb some but only to the equilibrium level, not one gram more ...

So, either plants are consuming CO2 at a very high rate or the Alarmists are (God forbid) exaggerating ...

it's both. The Sahara is greening thanks to the increase in CO2. Plants do need it after all.

 

[westwall]

Amundsen took three years to put an eighty ton reinforced herring boat through the Northwest Passage. In 2016, a 1000 passenger luxury liner did the passage.

No More Crystal Serenity in the Northwest Passage

You need to study history more ... Amundsen camped out with the Eskimos for two years learning their way of life and how to survive in the polar regions of the Earth ... all lessons that served Amundsen on his South Pole expedition, and what went horribly wrong for Scott ...

Which 1000 passenger luxury liner relies solely on sails for propulsion? ...

And he neglects to tell you that the liner had to have a ICE BREAKER in attendance otherwise they couldn't have made it. I don't call him olfraud for nothing. He lies through his teeth.

 

[skookerasbil]

California burning to the ground every 3 or 4 months is one of the worst things to ever happen to climate alarmists and here why.....

People arent stupid.....these fires are CONSTANT and ONLY in California and the scientists blame it on global warming!. The public has shown pronounced apathy because they know these mofu's are engineering the fires.....d0y. I mean c'mon now....millions have seen YouTube vids of structures turned to complete ash and the trees surrounding the houses still have 100% of their foliage!. Nobody thinks the fires are climate change related except the extreme suckers with plates in their heads. To most, the state provides daily entertainment in the form of gut busting laughs!

 

[ReinyDays]

What an odd post ...

These forest fires are confined to the conservative rural areas of California ... why are you laughing at people dying, their homes destroyed? ... is it because they voted for The Donald? ... is there an end to your liberal violence? ...

Just an awful post, you should delete it ...

 

[skookerasbil]

What an odd post ...

These forest fires are confined to the conservative rural areas of California ... why are you laughing at people dying, their homes destroyed? ... is it because they voted for The Donald? ... is there an end to your liberal violence? ...

Just an awful post, you should delete it ...

lol...….bobbleheadedness is ghey

CA Fire: Proof Directed Energy Weapons Destroyed 11,0000+ Homes, Not A Wildfire

 

[daveman]

That is a ridiculously stupid article.
Anyone who was around when the USS Nautilus sailed under the North Pole in 1957 will tell you that until 2009, there was no Northwest Passage.
It used to be all iced over, winter and summer, and had been for over 10,000 years.
But now there is a Northwest Passage, and it there every summer.
Clearly the receding ice on mountain tops, in glaciers, etc. are obvious proof of climate changing over 10 times faster than any normal climate trend.
And clearly it is from the 500 trillion tons of additional carbon human release into the atmosphere every single year.
It is silly to deny the fact we have greatly changed the climate by burning so much fossil fuels.

It used to be all iced over, winter and summer, and had been for over 10,000 years.

20,000 years ago it wasn't? Hmmmmmm.

Clearly the receding ice on mountain tops, in glaciers, etc. are obvious proof of climate changing over 10 times faster than any normal climate trend.

What's the "normal climate trend"? How do you know?

That's a weak argument. "How do we know"?

Cause, meet effect.

That's how we know.

Correlation does not imply causation.

 

[Crepitus]

That is a ridiculously stupid article.
Anyone who was around when the USS Nautilus sailed under the North Pole in 1957 will tell you that until 2009, there was no Northwest Passage.
It used to be all iced over, winter and summer, and had been for over 10,000 years.
But now there is a Northwest Passage, and it there every summer.
Clearly the receding ice on mountain tops, in glaciers, etc. are obvious proof of climate changing over 10 times faster than any normal climate trend.
And clearly it is from the 500 trillion tons of additional carbon human release into the atmosphere every single year.
It is silly to deny the fact we have greatly changed the climate by burning so much fossil fuels.

It used to be all iced over, winter and summer, and had been for over 10,000 years.

20,000 years ago it wasn't? Hmmmmmm.

Clearly the receding ice on mountain tops, in glaciers, etc. are obvious proof of climate changing over 10 times faster than any normal climate trend.

What's the "normal climate trend"? How do you know?

That's a weak argument. "How do we know"?

Cause, meet effect.

That's how we know.

Correlation does not imply causation.

There's a substantial difference between "correlation" and "cause and effect".

We are in a cause and effect scenario.

 

[westwall]

What an odd post ...

These forest fires are confined to the conservative rural areas of California ... why are you laughing at people dying, their homes destroyed? ... is it because they voted for The Donald? ... is there an end to your liberal violence? ...

Just an awful post, you should delete it ...

What an idiotic claim. The fires hit California all over, however, the most destructive in terms of property loss, is along the coast. You know, where the progressive left live.

Your post is just an awful post, you should delete it.

 

[westwall]

That is a ridiculously stupid article.
Anyone who was around when the USS Nautilus sailed under the North Pole in 1957 will tell you that until 2009, there was no Northwest Passage.
It used to be all iced over, winter and summer, and had been for over 10,000 years.
But now there is a Northwest Passage, and it there every summer.
Clearly the receding ice on mountain tops, in glaciers, etc. are obvious proof of climate changing over 10 times faster than any normal climate trend.
And clearly it is from the 500 trillion tons of additional carbon human release into the atmosphere every single year.
It is silly to deny the fact we have greatly changed the climate by burning so much fossil fuels.

It used to be all iced over, winter and summer, and had been for over 10,000 years.

20,000 years ago it wasn't? Hmmmmmm.

Clearly the receding ice on mountain tops, in glaciers, etc. are obvious proof of climate changing over 10 times faster than any normal climate trend.

What's the "normal climate trend"? How do you know?

That's a weak argument. "How do we know"?

Cause, meet effect.

That's how we know.

Correlation does not imply causation.

There's a substantial difference between "correlation" and "cause and effect".

We are in a cause and effect scenario.

Yes, you are. But it has nothing to do with global warming. When I was young I worked as a Hot Shot fighting wild fires in California.

Even back then the forests were being horribly mismanaged. It has only gotten worse. The flora of California requires wildfires as a part of its lifecycle. So California is ALWAYS burning.

What is different is the fuel load is so high now that fires turn explosive and get up high into the crown of the forest.

 

[Crepitus]

That is a ridiculously stupid article.
Anyone who was around when the USS Nautilus sailed under the North Pole in 1957 will tell you that until 2009, there was no Northwest Passage.
It used to be all iced over, winter and summer, and had been for over 10,000 years.
But now there is a Northwest Passage, and it there every summer.
Clearly the receding ice on mountain tops, in glaciers, etc. are obvious proof of climate changing over 10 times faster than any normal climate trend.
And clearly it is from the 500 trillion tons of additional carbon human release into the atmosphere every single year.
It is silly to deny the fact we have greatly changed the climate by burning so much fossil fuels.

It used to be all iced over, winter and summer, and had been for over 10,000 years.

20,000 years ago it wasn't? Hmmmmmm.

Clearly the receding ice on mountain tops, in glaciers, etc. are obvious proof of climate changing over 10 times faster than any normal climate trend.

What's the "normal climate trend"? How do you know?

That's a weak argument. "How do we know"?

Cause, meet effect.

That's how we know.

Correlation does not imply causation.

There's a substantial difference between "correlation" and "cause and effect".

We are in a cause and effect scenario.

Yes, you are. But it has nothing to do with global warming. When I was young I worked as a Hot Shot fighting wild fires in California.

Even back then the forests were being horribly mismanaged. It has only gotten worse. The flora of California requires wildfires as a part of its lifecycle. So California is ALWAYS burning.

What is different is the fuel load is so high now that fires turn explosive and get up high into the crown of the forest.

A. There's more to it than forest fires.

B. Higher temperatures, lower humidity, and drought are definitely contributing.

 

[ReinyDays]

What an idiotic claim. The fires hit California all over, however, the most destructive in terms of property loss, is along the coast. You know, where the progressive left live.

Your post is just an awful post, you should delete it.

So, you celebrate people who support The Donald being burned alive too? ... look at a map ... Redding, Paradise, Yosemite, Napa ... how could anyone confuse this with "along the coast"? ... perhaps people who enjoy the slow horrible painful deaths in others? ... the biggest fires in recent time, Biscuit and Yellowstone, aren't even in California ...

Seven dead in traffic accidents so far this holiday in the SF Bay Area ... who may or may not be liberals ... are you thankful for this? ...

 

[ReinyDays]

B. Higher temperatures, lower humidity, and drought are definitely contributing.

Higher temperatures brings higher humidity ... drought in California actually lowers the fire risk, the above average rains causes more burnable foliage ... the drought in California broke and so that's why we're seeing more forest fires there ...

Climate change brings hotter and wetter conditions ... on average ... years of fire suppresion is the cause of these wildfires ... see post #31 ...

 

[Crepitus]

B. Higher temperatures, lower humidity, and drought are definitely contributing.

Higher temperatures brings higher humidity ... drought in California actually lowers the fire risk, the above average rains causes more burnable foliage ... the drought in California broke and so that's why we're seeing more forest fires there ...

Climate change brings hotter and wetter conditions ... on average ... years of fire suppresion is the cause of these wildfires ... see post #31 ...

Look at rainfall totals in CA.

 

[ReinyDays]

Look at rainfall totals in CA.

Susanville? ... Gasquet? ... Stockton? ... San Diego? ... I'm looking, what's your point? ...

 

[SSDD]

That is a ridiculously stupid article.
Anyone who was around when the USS Nautilus sailed under the North Pole in 1957 will tell you that until 2009, there was no Northwest Passage.
It used to be all iced over, winter and summer, and had been for over 10,000 years.
But now there is a Northwest Passage, and it there every summer.
Clearly the receding ice on mountain tops, in glaciers, etc. are obvious proof of climate changing over 10 times faster than any normal climate trend.
And clearly it is from the 500 trillion tons of additional carbon human release into the atmosphere every single year.
It is silly to deny the fact we have greatly changed the climate by burning so much fossil fuels.

It used to be all iced over, winter and summer, and had been for over 10,000 years.

20,000 years ago it wasn't? Hmmmmmm.

Clearly the receding ice on mountain tops, in glaciers, etc. are obvious proof of climate changing over 10 times faster than any normal climate trend.

What's the "normal climate trend"? How do you know?

That's a weak argument. "How do we know"?

Cause, meet effect.

That's how we know.

Correlation does not imply causation.

There's a substantial difference between "correlation" and "cause and effect".

We are in a cause and effect scenario.

So lets see the empirical evidence which supports your claim of the cause.

 

[SSDD]

It used to be all iced over, winter and summer, and had been for over 10,000 years.

20,000 years ago it wasn't? Hmmmmmm.

Clearly the receding ice on mountain tops, in glaciers, etc. are obvious proof of climate changing over 10 times faster than any normal climate trend.

What's the "normal climate trend"? How do you know?

That's a weak argument. "How do we know"?

Cause, meet effect.

That's how we know.

Correlation does not imply causation.

There's a substantial difference between "correlation" and "cause and effect".

We are in a cause and effect scenario.

Yes, you are. But it has nothing to do with global warming. When I was young I worked as a Hot Shot fighting wild fires in California.

Even back then the forests were being horribly mismanaged. It has only gotten worse. The flora of California requires wildfires as a part of its lifecycle. So California is ALWAYS burning.

What is different is the fuel load is so high now that fires turn explosive and get up high into the crown of the forest.

A. There's more to it than forest fires.

B. Higher temperatures, lower humidity, and drought are definitely contributing.

According to the US drought monitor...california is simply abnormally dry...it isn't in a drought condition. Not even a moderate drought...the severity of the fires is due to mismanagement...

 

[Crepitus]

That's a weak argument. "How do we know"?

Cause, meet effect.

That's how we know.

Correlation does not imply causation.

There's a substantial difference between "correlation" and "cause and effect".

We are in a cause and effect scenario.

Yes, you are. But it has nothing to do with global warming. When I was young I worked as a Hot Shot fighting wild fires in California.

Even back then the forests were being horribly mismanaged. It has only gotten worse. The flora of California requires wildfires as a part of its lifecycle. So California is ALWAYS burning.

What is different is the fuel load is so high now that fires turn explosive and get up high into the crown of the forest.

A. There's more to it than forest fires.

B. Higher temperatures, lower humidity, and drought are definitely contributing.

According to the US drought monitor...california is simply abnormally dry...it isn't in a drought condition. Not even a moderate drought...the severity of the fires is due to mismanagement...

 

[westwall]

It used to be all iced over, winter and summer, and had been for over 10,000 years.

20,000 years ago it wasn't? Hmmmmmm.

Clearly the receding ice on mountain tops, in glaciers, etc. are obvious proof of climate changing over 10 times faster than any normal climate trend.

What's the "normal climate trend"? How do you know?

That's a weak argument. "How do we know"?

Cause, meet effect.

That's how we know.

Correlation does not imply causation.

There's a substantial difference between "correlation" and "cause and effect".

We are in a cause and effect scenario.

Yes, you are. But it has nothing to do with global warming. When I was young I worked as a Hot Shot fighting wild fires in California.

Even back then the forests were being horribly mismanaged. It has only gotten worse. The flora of California requires wildfires as a part of its lifecycle. So California is ALWAYS burning.

What is different is the fuel load is so high now that fires turn explosive and get up high into the crown of the forest.

A. There's more to it than forest fires.

B. Higher temperatures, lower humidity, and drought are definitely contributing.

No, they really aren't. California, at least southern California up to about santa Maria is desert to near desert.

The area is in perennial drought.