Scientists: Dishonest or Afraid

What an idiotic claim. The fires hit California all over, however, the most destructive in terms of property loss, is along the coast. You know, where the progressive left live.

Your post is just an awful post, you should delete it.

So, you celebrate people who support The Donald being burned alive too? ... look at a map ... Redding, Paradise, Yosemite, Napa ... how could anyone confuse this with "along the coast"? ... perhaps people who enjoy the slow horrible painful deaths in others? ... the biggest fires in recent time, Biscuit and Yellowstone, aren't even in California ...

Seven dead in traffic accidents so far this holiday in the SF Bay Area ... who may or may not be liberals ... are you thankful for this? ...




Yes, they all have one thing in common. Forest mismanagement. That is a US Forest Service issue, aggravated by environmental groups that are more interested in lawsuit payouts than the environment.

Stop using childish emotional arguments. They don't help you.
 
That's a weak argument. "How do we know"?

Cause, meet effect.

That's how we know.
Correlation does not imply causation.
There's a substantial difference between "correlation" and "cause and effect".

We are in a cause and effect scenario.





Yes, you are. But it has nothing to do with global warming. When I was young I worked as a Hot Shot fighting wild fires in California.

Even back then the forests were being horribly mismanaged. It has only gotten worse. The flora of California requires wildfires as a part of its lifecycle. So California is ALWAYS burning.

What is different is the fuel load is so high now that fires turn explosive and get up high into the crown of the forest.
A. There's more to it than forest fires.

B. Higher temperatures, lower humidity, and drought are definitely contributing.




No, they really aren't. California, at least southern California up to about santa Maria is desert to near desert.

The area is in perennial drought.
We don't have forests in desert to near desert regions, thus no forest fires.
 
What an idiotic claim. The fires hit California all over, however, the most destructive in terms of property loss, is along the coast. You know, where the progressive left live.

Your post is just an awful post, you should delete it.

So, you celebrate people who support The Donald being burned alive too? ... look at a map ... Redding, Paradise, Yosemite, Napa ... how could anyone confuse this with "along the coast"? ... perhaps people who enjoy the slow horrible painful deaths in others? ... the biggest fires in recent time, Biscuit and Yellowstone, aren't even in California ...

Seven dead in traffic accidents so far this holiday in the SF Bay Area ... who may or may not be liberals ... are you thankful for this? ...




Yes, they all have one thing in common. Forest mismanagement. That is a US Forest Service issue, aggravated by environmental groups that are more interested in lawsuit payouts than the environment.

Stop using childish emotional arguments. They don't help you.
And the Forest management budget was cut by the present incompetent admin. Over half the forests in California are Federally owned, 3% are state owned, the rest are private. So the treasonous fat senile old orange clown is just telling another lie concerning who is responsible for not managing the forests.
 
I can forgive the folks back in the 1920's and '30's for making some bad decisions, and fire suppression for all these decades was a bad decision ... the current mismanagement is allowing people to build homes where wildfires are common ... and natural ... oh, and allowing matches and lighters into the State, BIG mistake there ...
 
What an idiotic claim. The fires hit California all over, however, the most destructive in terms of property loss, is along the coast. You know, where the progressive left live.

Your post is just an awful post, you should delete it.

So, you celebrate people who support The Donald being burned alive too? ... look at a map ... Redding, Paradise, Yosemite, Napa ... how could anyone confuse this with "along the coast"? ... perhaps people who enjoy the slow horrible painful deaths in others? ... the biggest fires in recent time, Biscuit and Yellowstone, aren't even in California ...

Seven dead in traffic accidents so far this holiday in the SF Bay Area ... who may or may not be liberals ... are you thankful for this? ...




Yes, they all have one thing in common. Forest mismanagement. That is a US Forest Service issue, aggravated by environmental groups that are more interested in lawsuit payouts than the environment.

Stop using childish emotional arguments. They don't help you.
And the Forest management budget was cut by the present incompetent admin. Over half the forests in California are Federally owned, 3% are state owned, the rest are private. So the treasonous fat senile old orange clown is just telling another lie concerning who is responsible for not managing the forests.





Forest management involves timber companies PAYING for the privilege of cutting trees, dipshit.
 
Correlation does not imply causation.
There's a substantial difference between "correlation" and "cause and effect".

We are in a cause and effect scenario.





Yes, you are. But it has nothing to do with global warming. When I was young I worked as a Hot Shot fighting wild fires in California.

Even back then the forests were being horribly mismanaged. It has only gotten worse. The flora of California requires wildfires as a part of its lifecycle. So California is ALWAYS burning.

What is different is the fuel load is so high now that fires turn explosive and get up high into the crown of the forest.
A. There's more to it than forest fires.

B. Higher temperatures, lower humidity, and drought are definitely contributing.




No, they really aren't. California, at least southern California up to about santa Maria is desert to near desert.

The area is in perennial drought.
We don't have forests in desert to near desert regions, thus no forest fires.





Yeah you do. Sage tree forests and chaparral are what are burning south. Santa Barbara where the fires are burning is sagebrush central.
 
That is a ridiculously stupid article.
Anyone who was around when the USS Nautilus sailed under the North Pole in 1957 will tell you that until 2009, there was no Northwest Passage.
It used to be all iced over, winter and summer, and had been for over 10,000 years.
But now there is a Northwest Passage, and it there every summer.
Clearly the receding ice on mountain tops, in glaciers, etc. are obvious proof of climate changing over 10 times faster than any normal climate trend.
And clearly it is from the 500 trillion tons of additional carbon human release into the atmosphere every single year.
It is silly to deny the fact we have greatly changed the climate by burning so much fossil fuels.

It used to be all iced over, winter and summer, and had been for over 10,000 years.

20,000 years ago it wasn't? Hmmmmmm.

Clearly the receding ice on mountain tops, in glaciers, etc. are obvious proof of climate changing over 10 times faster than any normal climate trend.

What's the "normal climate trend"? How do you know?
That's a weak argument. "How do we know"?

Cause, meet effect.

That's how we know.
Correlation does not imply causation.
There's a substantial difference between "correlation" and "cause and effect".

We are in a cause and effect scenario.
No, we're not.
 
That is a ridiculously stupid article.
Anyone who was around when the USS Nautilus sailed under the North Pole in 1957 will tell you that until 2009, there was no Northwest Passage.
It used to be all iced over, winter and summer, and had been for over 10,000 years.
But now there is a Northwest Passage, and it there every summer.
Clearly the receding ice on mountain tops, in glaciers, etc. are obvious proof of climate changing over 10 times faster than any normal climate trend.
And clearly it is from the 500 trillion tons of additional carbon human release into the atmosphere every single year.
It is silly to deny the fact we have greatly changed the climate by burning so much fossil fuels.

Roald Amundsen made the first complete trip through the Northwest Passage in 1903–1906
 
There's a substantial difference between "correlation" and "cause and effect".

We are in a cause and effect scenario.





Yes, you are. But it has nothing to do with global warming. When I was young I worked as a Hot Shot fighting wild fires in California.

Even back then the forests were being horribly mismanaged. It has only gotten worse. The flora of California requires wildfires as a part of its lifecycle. So California is ALWAYS burning.

What is different is the fuel load is so high now that fires turn explosive and get up high into the crown of the forest.
A. There's more to it than forest fires.

B. Higher temperatures, lower humidity, and drought are definitely contributing.




No, they really aren't. California, at least southern California up to about santa Maria is desert to near desert.

The area is in perennial drought.
We don't have forests in desert to near desert regions, thus no forest fires.





Yeah you do. Sage tree forests and chaparral are what are burning south. Santa Barbara where the fires are burning is sagebrush central.
Sage trees do not grow in desert conditions. Desert sage is a small shrub. The chaparral of which you speak. None of that is forest.

All of it grows in dry conditions, but not desert. CA is and has been unusually dry for most of the last decade, and on the rare occasion when it isn't the rainfall comes as floods, washing away rather than soaking in.

Yes, mismanagement has contributed to the problem, but it has been exacerbated by climate change.
 
That is a ridiculously stupid article.
Anyone who was around when the USS Nautilus sailed under the North Pole in 1957 will tell you that until 2009, there was no Northwest Passage.
It used to be all iced over, winter and summer, and had been for over 10,000 years.
But now there is a Northwest Passage, and it there every summer.
Clearly the receding ice on mountain tops, in glaciers, etc. are obvious proof of climate changing over 10 times faster than any normal climate trend.
And clearly it is from the 500 trillion tons of additional carbon human release into the atmosphere every single year.
It is silly to deny the fact we have greatly changed the climate by burning so much fossil fuels.

Roald Amundsen made the first complete trip through the Northwest Passage in 1903–1906
Yes, he did. In an 80 ton reinforced herring boat. Three years to get through. And, in 2016, a 1000 passenger luxury cruise ship did it in about a leisurely month.
 
What an idiotic claim. The fires hit California all over, however, the most destructive in terms of property loss, is along the coast. You know, where the progressive left live.

Your post is just an awful post, you should delete it.

So, you celebrate people who support The Donald being burned alive too? ... look at a map ... Redding, Paradise, Yosemite, Napa ... how could anyone confuse this with "along the coast"? ... perhaps people who enjoy the slow horrible painful deaths in others? ... the biggest fires in recent time, Biscuit and Yellowstone, aren't even in California ...

Seven dead in traffic accidents so far this holiday in the SF Bay Area ... who may or may not be liberals ... are you thankful for this? ...




Yes, they all have one thing in common. Forest mismanagement. That is a US Forest Service issue, aggravated by environmental groups that are more interested in lawsuit payouts than the environment.

Stop using childish emotional arguments. They don't help you.
And the Forest management budget was cut by the present incompetent admin. Over half the forests in California are Federally owned, 3% are state owned, the rest are private. So the treasonous fat senile old orange clown is just telling another lie concerning who is responsible for not managing the forests.





Forest management involves timber companies PAYING for the privilege of cutting trees, dipshit.
Well, you stupid asshole, what you mean then is make sure we cut all the trees down, then there will be no forest fire. No, you ignorant bastard, the management of the forest means making the best use of it for water resources, recreation, timber, and preservation of species.
 
That is a ridiculously stupid article.
Anyone who was around when the USS Nautilus sailed under the North Pole in 1957 will tell you that until 2009, there was no Northwest Passage.
It used to be all iced over, winter and summer, and had been for over 10,000 years.
But now there is a Northwest Passage, and it there every summer.
Clearly the receding ice on mountain tops, in glaciers, etc. are obvious proof of climate changing over 10 times faster than any normal climate trend.
And clearly it is from the 500 trillion tons of additional carbon human release into the atmosphere every single year.
It is silly to deny the fact we have greatly changed the climate by burning so much fossil fuels.

Roald Amundsen made the first complete trip through the Northwest Passage in 1903–1906
Yes, he did. In an 80 ton reinforced herring boat. Three years to get through. And, in 2016, a 1000 passenger luxury cruise ship did it in about a leisurely month.

Isn't GPS a marvelous invention?

I wish I had a coal-fired GPS.
 
That is a ridiculously stupid article.
Anyone who was around when the USS Nautilus sailed under the North Pole in 1957 will tell you that until 2009, there was no Northwest Passage.
It used to be all iced over, winter and summer, and had been for over 10,000 years.
But now there is a Northwest Passage, and it there every summer.
Clearly the receding ice on mountain tops, in glaciers, etc. are obvious proof of climate changing over 10 times faster than any normal climate trend.
And clearly it is from the 500 trillion tons of additional carbon human release into the atmosphere every single year.
It is silly to deny the fact we have greatly changed the climate by burning so much fossil fuels.

Roald Amundsen made the first complete trip through the Northwest Passage in 1903–1906
Yes, he did. In an 80 ton reinforced herring boat. Three years to get through. And, in 2016, a 1000 passenger luxury cruise ship did it in about a leisurely month.





Yeah, with help from an ICE BREAKER. If it were clear, like you claim, it would have taken a few days you sniveling piece of horse dung.
 
What an idiotic claim. The fires hit California all over, however, the most destructive in terms of property loss, is along the coast. You know, where the progressive left live.

Your post is just an awful post, you should delete it.

So, you celebrate people who support The Donald being burned alive too? ... look at a map ... Redding, Paradise, Yosemite, Napa ... how could anyone confuse this with "along the coast"? ... perhaps people who enjoy the slow horrible painful deaths in others? ... the biggest fires in recent time, Biscuit and Yellowstone, aren't even in California ...

Seven dead in traffic accidents so far this holiday in the SF Bay Area ... who may or may not be liberals ... are you thankful for this? ...




Yes, they all have one thing in common. Forest mismanagement. That is a US Forest Service issue, aggravated by environmental groups that are more interested in lawsuit payouts than the environment.

Stop using childish emotional arguments. They don't help you.
And the Forest management budget was cut by the present incompetent admin. Over half the forests in California are Federally owned, 3% are state owned, the rest are private. So the treasonous fat senile old orange clown is just telling another lie concerning who is responsible for not managing the forests.





Forest management involves timber companies PAYING for the privilege of cutting trees, dipshit.
Well, you stupid asshole, what you mean then is make sure we cut all the trees down, then there will be no forest fire. No, you ignorant bastard, the management of the forest means making the best use of it for water resources, recreation, timber, and preservation of species.





No, you stupid asshole, when a tree dies you cut it down. Your environmental morons prevent the dead trees from being cleared which leads to explosive fires you brainless fool.

How about you go talk to a conservationist so they can educate you, idiot.
 
Odd, all those trees in Australia that are burning did not look like they were dead. And the trees in the forest fires I worked on were almost all alive at the time of the burn. Another really dumb ass claim.
 
Odd, all those trees in Australia that are burning did not look like they were dead. And the trees in the forest fires I worked on were almost all alive at the time of the burn. Another really dumb ass claim.

Once a fire starts, even living trees will burn.
Weird.
 

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