S.C. believed to lack 5 votes to affirm non-conditional, U.S. birthright citizenship

There is literally no point in arguing the merits of the case on "birthright citizenship." The bus has left the station and it's not going back. There are MILLIONS of voting American citizens who became citizens as a result of this principle, THIS Supreme Court is NOT going to throw out more than a hundred years of precedent, even if the current reading is incorrect.

Their decision - assuming they actually make one - will be based on convenience and not the meaning of the text, which is manifestly in conflict with current practice.

"...and subject to the jurisdiction thereof..." can be illustrated by the simple example of an Israeli woman who has a child while vacationing in the U.S. That child is subject to military draft in Israel because he is SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION THEREOF. Hence, s/he is not an automatic U.S. citizen.
 
I'm literally telling you that you haven't. You can either listen to me, or not. In which case the conversation is over.
Did you read the link I provided? That person literally included all of the parts of the senate debate relevant to the issue
 
Our Congressional Globe, 39th Congress, exposes the myth of lawful anchor babies

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The evidence found in the Congressional Globe which confirms ". . . and subject to the jurisdiction thereof . . . " excludes the offspring of illegal entrant foreign nationals born on American soil from U.S. Citizenship, is overwhelming.


For example Senator Bingham, considered the architect of the 14th Amendment's first section, states the following involving the meaning of "jurisdiction” in the following manner:

"I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen…" LINK

Senator Trumbull goes on to say:

.” . . . The provision is, that ‘‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’’ That means ‘‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ . . . .What do we mean by ‘subject to the jurisdiction of the United States?’’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.“ LINK

Senator Reverdy Johnson then remarks:

[A]ll that this amendment provides is, that all persons born in the United States and not subject to some foreign Power—for that, no doubt, is the meaning of the committee who have brought the matter before us—shall be considered as citizens of the United States. That would seem to be not only a wise but a necessary provision. If there are to be citizens of the United States entitled everywhere to the character of citizens of the United States there should be some certain definition of what citizenship is, what has created the character of citizen as between himself and the United States, and the amendment says that citizenship may depend upon birth, and I know of no better way to give rise to citizenship than the fact of birth within the territory of the United States, born of parents who at the time were subject to the authority of the United States.” LINK

Senator WILLIAMS, later in the debate discussing Section One observes with reference to “. . . and subject to the jurisdiction thereof . . . :


"In one sense, all persons born within the geographical limits of the United States are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, but they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States in every sense. Take the child of an embassador. In one sense, that child born in the United States is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, because if that child commits the crime of murder, or commits any other crime against the laws of the country, to a certain extent he is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, but not in every respect; and so with these Indians. All persons living within a judicial district may be said, in one sense, to be subject to the jurisdiction of the court in that district, but they are not in every sense subject to the jurisdiction of the court until they are brought, by proper process, within the reach of the power of the court. I understand the words here, ‘‘subject to the jurisdiction of the United States,” to mean fully and completely subject to the jurisdiction of the United States."
LINK

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Why is the myth alleging U.S. citizenship being granted by the terms of the 14th Amendment to the offspring of illegal entrant foreign nationals born on American soil, not yet put to rest? Where is the evidence to the contrary?

JWK




The whole aim of construction, as applied to a provision of the Constitution, is to discover the meaning, to ascertain and give effect to the intent of its framers and the people who adopted it._____HOME BLDG. & LOAN ASSOCIATION v. BLAISDELL, 290 U.S. 398 (1934)

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1) Bingham didn't write the first part of the amendment that concerns citizenship.

2) They didn't write "of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty" into the text.
3) Other people said other things.


Jacob Howard said: "It is not, perhaps, very easy to define with accuracy what is meant by the expression, “citizen of the United States.” . . . A citizen of the United States is held by the courts to be a person who was born within the limits of the United States and subject to their laws. . . ."

Now, why didn't they write "of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty" into the amendment? I think it was to stop the racists from making black and Native Americans from being US citizens.

They would have argued that Native Americans have their own "foreign" authority on their reservations, they probably would have said that black people came from Africa, this woman's great grandparents who arrived on this ship weren't American, their children weren't American, therefore, then their children weren't American, therefore this black woman is not American because none of the others were American.

No, she's American because she was born in the US. She's not a POW and she's not the child of a diplomat, so she's American.
 
Praying in school was the law until the 1960's. Did it bother you when the SCOTUS outlawed it?
You religion is not the business of the day in public schools.

Birthright citizenship is our business of the day, and it won't even be rocked a smidgen.
 
"...and subject to the jurisdiction thereof..." can be illustrated by

Quoting those who framed and helped to ratify the Fourteenth Amendment.
For example Senator Bingham, considered the architect of the 14th Amendment's first section, states the following involving the meaning of "jurisdiction” in the following manner:

"I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen…" LINK

And Senator Trumbull says:

.” . . . The provision is, that ‘‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’’ That means ‘‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ . . . .What do we mean by ‘subject to the jurisdiction of the United States?’’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.“ LINK

Senator Reverdy Johnson then remarks:

[A]ll that this amendment provides is, that all persons born in the United States and not subject to some foreign Power—for that, no doubt, is the meaning of the committee who have brought the matter before us—shall be considered as citizens of the United States. That would seem to be not only a wise but a necessary provision. If there are to be citizens of the United States entitled everywhere to the character of citizens of the United States there should be some certain definition of what citizenship is, what has created the character of citizen as between himself and the United States, and the amendment says that citizenship may depend upon birth, and I know of no better way to give rise to citizenship than the fact of birth within the territory of the United States, born of parents who at the time were subject to the authority of the United States.” LINK

Senator WILLIAMS, later in the debate discussing Section one observes with reference to “. . . and subject to the jurisdiction thereof . . . :


"In one sense, all persons born within the geographical limits of the United States are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, but they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States in every sense. Take the child of an embassador. In one sense, that child born in the United States is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, because if that child commits the crime of murder, or commits any other crime against the laws of the country, to a certain extent he is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, but not in every respect; and so with these Indians. All persons living within a judicial district may be said, in one sense, to be subject to the jurisdiction of the court in that district, but they are not in every sense subject to the jurisdiction of the court until they are brought, by proper process, within the reach of the power of the court. I understand the words here, ‘‘subject to the jurisdiction of the United States,” to mean fully and completely subject to the jurisdiction of the United States." LINK


Keep in mind our Supreme Court has already confirm what its limited role is under such circumstances, i.e., what is the meaning of “. . . and subject to the jurisdiction thereof . . . “ as understood and intended by those who framed and helped to ratify Section One of the Fourteenth Amendment:

The whole aim of construction, as applied to a provision of the Constitution, is to discover the meaning, to ascertain and give effect to the intent of its framers and the people who adopted it._HOME BLDG. & LOAN ASSOCIATION v. BLAISDELL, 290 U.S. 398 (1934)

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Specious conclusion. You know SCOTUS will side with birthright. You know that.

No. I don't know that, and neither do you.

Congress, and not our Supreme Court, is authorized to grant U.S. citizenship to the offspring of illegal entrant foreign nationals born on U.S. soil.

In fact, the Supreme Court may very well sidestep the issue and point to Section 5 of the 14th Amendment, and acknowledge that Congress, not our judicial branch of government, has been granted exclusive power to "adopt appropriate legislation" enforcing the amendment, as Congress did when adopting the the “Indian Citizenship Act of 1924”, and extended United States citizenship to Indians as outlined in the Act.

If the offspring of illegal entrant foreign nationals are to be formally granted U.S. citizenship upon birth on U.S. soil, it seems that Congress is authorized to do so, but has yet to grant such citizenship.
 
The reality is that birthright is the law of the land.

And the real betting puts changing it almost non-existent.

I have tickled noted that to remind you.
 

S.C. recent ruling may impact birthright citizenship for children born to illegal entrants in the U.S.​

See: Supreme Court ruling on birthright citizenship raises concerns for immigrant families

“As the nation celebrates Independence Day, immigration attorneys are raising urgent concerns over a recent Supreme Court ruling that could significantly impact birthright citizenship for children born in the U.S. to non-citizen parents.”
Keep in mind the only children who may be impacted would be those born on American soil after the issuance of Trump’s Executive Order: “Protecting the Meaning and Value of American Citizenship”

JWK

“If aliens might be admitted indiscriminately to enjoy all the rights of citizens at the will of a single state, the Union might itself be endangered by an influx of foreigners, hostile to its institutions, ignorant of its powers, and incapable of a due estimate of its privileges." - Joseph Story
 
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Illegal entrants must register with our Selective Service System, a violation is a felony!​



According to our Selective Service laws, illegal entrants are require to register with our Selective Service System. Failure to do so is a felony. Seems that Alligator Alcatraz will be very active with deporting illegal entrant foreign nationals for failure to register with our Selective Service System.

JWK

“If aliens might be admitted indiscriminately to enjoy all the rights of citizens at the will of a single state, the Union might itself be endangered by an influx of foreigners, hostile to its institutions, ignorant of its powers, and incapable of a due estimate of its privileges." - Joseph Story
 
Is that your personal opinion, or do you have supportive documentation from those who authored, and helped to ratify the 14th Amendment?
Thats what it means you have to be citizen in the first place to give birth to one. A pregnant woman form China comes here and gives birth and creates a citizen. There is an industry supporting that. The SC will have the last word.
 
"and subject to the jurisdiction of" merely means a person has to be in the US to be under US law in order to be able to get the citizenship.
The alternative is only the children of citizens are citizens
Not the intent of the 14 th amendment
 
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