S.C. believed to lack 5 votes to affirm non-conditional, U.S. birthright citizenship

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The alternative is only the children of citizens are citizens
Not the intent of the 14 th amendment

You are correct. The intent of the 14th Amendment was to clarify who were citizens, anyone born in America who was not of foreign diplomats.

That is how SCOTUS will rule.

 

[rightwinger]

You are correct. The intent of the 14th Amendment was to clarify who were citizens, anyone born in America who was not of foreign diplomats.

That is how SCOTUS will rule.

You have more faith in the Robert’s Court than I do

150 years of precedence means nothing

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

You have more faith in the Robert’s Court than I do

150 years of precedence means nothing

I think this one is OK.

 

[justoffal]

"and subject to the jurisdiction of" merely means a person has to be in the US to be under US law in order to be able to get the citizenship.

Jurisdiction means a whole hell of a lot more than that

 

[frigidweirdo]

Jurisdiction means a whole hell of a lot more than that

Well, right now we need to know what it means in terms of the topic.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Well, right now we need to know what it means in terms of the topic.

Jurisdiction means 'subject to' and all people in the US except foreign diplomats are subject to the Constitution. Whether citizen or illegal, one is subject to the Consitution and the law.

 

[Hafar1014]

Is that your personal opinion, or do you have supportive documentation from those who authored, and helped to ratify the 14th Amendment?

You have to be citizen to give birth to one.

 

[rightwinger]

You have to be citizen to give birth to one.

Where in the Constitution does it say that?

 

[Hafar1014]

Where in the Constitution does it say that?

Its what they meant and the SC will rule on it that way. A tourist on vacation in America gives birth and thats not a citizen. The founders never thought an invasion by illegals could be citizens when they gave birth.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Its what they meant and the SC will rule on it that way. A tourist on vacation in America gives birth and thats not a citizen. The founders never thought an invasion by illegals could be citizens when they gave birth.

No, they did not mean that, and SCOTUS will uphold Wong, etc.

 

[rightwinger]

Its what they meant and the SC will rule on it that way. A tourist on vacation in America gives birth and thats not a citizen. The founders never thought an invasion by illegals could be citizens when they gave birth.

Again, the Constitution has provided birthright citizenship for 150 years
Up to you to prove otherwise

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Hafar wants the 1950s without birthright citizenship.

Neither will happen.

 

[BackAgain]

"and subject to the jurisdiction of" merely means a person has to be in the US to be under US law in order to be able to get the citizenship.

No. That’s not what it means. Now or ever.

But, I cannot help but notice that you failed to support your claim in any fashion.

 

[Mac-7]

"and subject to the jurisdiction of" merely means a person has to be in the US to be under US law in order to be able to get the citizenship.

Thats what you think

But in fact it means whatever 5 unelected demigods on the SC say it means

And they have not deigned to reveal that to us so far

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Thats what you think

But in fact it means whatever 5 unelected demigods on the SC say it means

And they have not deigned to reveal that to us so far

They will before elections next year.

 

[Unkotare]

And as of right now, the law remains unchanged.