Roe v. Wade getting overturned!!

[NotfooledbyW]

Oh I’m not running

You sure are running from questions.

HeyNorm Tell us how the Federal government under RvW for fifty YEARS was protecting unwanted fetuses from being killed, murdered, slaughtered .

HeyNorm230208-#7,218 • Your support of the killing of one, and the government’s protection of the other is illogical and barbaric.

NFBW: I support a woman’s freedom to end the development of a brainless human unwanted organism that is part of her body and you cannot tell me why you think the government was protecting unwanted fetuses under Roe v Wade because it does not happen ever.

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[NotfooledbyW]

justify your acceptance of barbarism.

NFBW: When embryos become autonomous persons is not knowable to civilized humans. It can be a religious belief and that is all . I accept the scientific truth being told below.

“So, this is a talk about why we believe certain things. The main objectives that I have is first to understand the biological reasons why different groups of scientists claim that embryos become persons at different stages of development, and that there is no scientific consensus as to when an embryo is a person.​

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I also want to understand some of the rhetoric, the rhetoric of public media, that might predispose a person to think that there is a consensus that personhood begins at fertilization.​

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What I will not be doing is telling you when personhood begins, I'll just be critiquing those people who say, they do know when personhood begins.​

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So, really, this is what I am going to contest. This is a statement made by presidential hopeful Michael Huckabee saying, pro-life is scientific biologically life begins at conception that's irrefutable. From a biological standpoint. Actually, it is refutable from a biological standpoint, and I am going to try to say that there are other places where groups of scientists have claimed that personhood begins. But first, why might the public assume that life does begin at fertilization. Well, we citizens are being told, first, that all the instructions for development and heredity are in the fertilized egg. Two, that the newly implanted embryo normally develops into a newborn baby and it constitutes autonomous self. And third, we're told that there's a consensus among scientists that personhood begins at fertilization. Each of these principles is false and we'll go through them. “ Scott Gilbert https://sophia.smith.edu/blog/barresilab/files/2020/05/personhood.pdf 220905^aa​

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NFBW: It is therefore an actual act of barbarism to enslave a pregnant woman against her will to an imaginary autonomous self slave master fetus (a new person yet unborn) who it is believed is formed at conception in certain religions, primarily Catholicism.

The actual act of barbarism is on you HeyNorm

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[NotfooledbyW]

NFBW: Here is more Scott Gilbert for you HeyNorm …….. I understand that barbarians who promote enslavement of pregnant women do not read to expand knowledge of the meaning of being human / it’s all grunts and fist pounding urges for most barbaric MAGA cave dwellers / But here goes a small attempt to free up a barbarian’s fight or flight mind.

the fallacy of sacred DNA U2 ding​

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First, the notion that the instructions for development and heredity are all in the fertilized egg. And here we see two quotations, saying that everything you are, your personality, the way you look, they are all inherited, and they're given to you by the sperm and the egg at the moment of conception. ……..​

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…….. DNA was being represented as your soul. It's that which is your essence, that which determines your behaviors. And although not being a soul, that from which you can be resurrected after death, a la Jurassic Park, that there's something sacred about DNA, and one sees this being depicted throughout the public media, we even see it on the cover of Nature magazine, where this is of course take off on Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel, God's hand touching atoms and what's going through it is a homology map of human chromosome. So even biologists can be talking about sacred DNA. Scott Gilbert https://sophia.smith.edu/blog/barresilab/files/2020/05/personhood.pdf 220905^ab​

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[Monk-Eye]

" Intuition Irrationals Rather Than Logical Deduction "

* Not Entirely Fooled Or Over Educated Mission Accomplished *

All I need to show is how you classify a fellow human being as sub human…….
Mission accomplished

An etymology of the term person relates per and son , where per implies countable by census and hence born , and where son implies male and therefore not a female or daughter .

By etymology of writs in standard law , a person is male and countable by census , such that by us 14th amendment only males are citizens of us republic and entitled to equal protection of laws whereas women are not - see us 19th amendment .

By declaration of independence , all men are created equal , surreptitiously implying that women are sub hue man .

As us republic credo of e pluribus unum expects independence as individualism with equal protection of negative liberties among those entitled by live birth to receive them , the term person should be replaced in vernacular with the term individual to account for both men and women which have been born .


* Women Liberation Affliction Of Perpetual Misogyny In Vernacular *

An etymology of the term woman relates woe , or wough , of a man .

wough - Wiktionary, the free dictionary

en.wiktionary.org

wough

1. A wrong or unjust action
2. A sinful or immoral action
3. An inaccuracy or mistake
4. depravity, moral corruption
5. woe, misery, pain

* Patriarchal Paradigm *

An etymology of the term female relates fealty to a male , that is subjugate of possession by a male .

fé - Wiktionary, the free dictionary

en.wiktionary.org

Etymology[edit]​

From Old Norse fé, from Proto-Germanic *fehu, from Proto-Indo-European *péḱu (“livestock, domestic animals”). Cognate with English fee.
fé n (genitive singular fjár, no plural)

1. livestock; cattle, chiefly sheep
2. assets
3. money
4. fehu; the first letter of the runic futhark alphabet

* Hue Mammon Member Ship *

An etymology of the term human relates hue , as in semblance of , and man as in male , hence implying in semblance of a man .

 

[HeyNorm]

Now I’ve got two barbarians trying to justify barbarism. How cute

 

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

Imagine inhuman rotten filth that would need to evolve to be mere barbarians calling civilized folks who don’t sanction the murder of the innocent… calling other “barbarian.”

What dishonest, disgusting trash. They should be scraped off the floor and disposed of instead of just accumulating more filth and rotting further.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Cplus6230210-#7,246 • Imagine inhuman rotten filth that would need to evolve to be mere barbarians calling civilized folks who don’t sanction the murder of the innocent… calling other “barbarian.”

NFBW: I have evolved as a human being fully blessed to exist along with the majority of Americans being similarly situated by having a human mind and a functioning conscience.
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Conscience is sacred property as defined by The Father of The Constitution, the very document being discussed on this thread.

NFBW230206-#7,172 And Madison is on record that he believed all persons have a conscience and a conscience is property that each person owns.
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Conscience is the most sacred of all property; other property depending in part on positive law, the exercise of that being a natural and unalienable right. James Madison​

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NFBW230206-#7,172 fetuses up to 24 weeks do not have a physical or material or self functioning brain and thus are not in possession of a conscience subject to equal protection under the law. •••• Science can tell us when the life of a human organism begins at conception but not when life of a person with a conscience actually begins.

When a woman is around 22 weeks pregnant there are in fact two living bodies involved but not two persons each with a conscience. There is only one conscience involved - that is of the mother. It is her sacred American property (her conscience) and a person’s conscience must never be infringed.

MeriW170305-#115 Upon conception, there are two bodies involved.

CarsomyrPlusSix cannot be as civilized as James Madison due to his absolute disregard for the value of conscience.

As Catholic Meriweather explained in post 0115 “there are two bodies involved” which is FACT when this ……

……..happens in nature whether you believe in Meri’s God or not.

But there are not two consciences as I have pointed out in post 7172.

Cplus6, an atheist, who for some reason has decided to adopt the modern Catholic / white Evangelical Christian fallacy of sacred DNA found in MAGA movement messaging. Former MAGA presidential hopeful Michael Huckabee promotes the fallacy saying scientific biologically life begins at conception and that's irrefutable.

In good conscience and faith in good science I reject Mike Huckabee’s Christian opinion and accept there is no scientific consensus as to when an embryo is a person or becomes a person with consciousness of self and in possession of a conscience.

Is it barbaric murder if a woman’s ends the life when that life has not yet become in possession of a conscience? I SAY NO.

If you decided it’s yes according to your conscience do not get pregnant or impregnate a woman if there is no commitment to carry a new living human organism to natural birth.

There are no barbarians except those who seek to impose their yes on all persons who in good conscience answer that question with a no.

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[CarsomyrPlusSix]

^ Inane faggotry.

Blatant dishonesty and misrepresentation, blatant self-contradiction, and just a waste of everyone’s time, and a waste of oxygen from filth who can only add anything positive for the planet, the civilization, or the species with its prompt demise.

Every human being’s lifespan begins at fertilization as a matter of scientific fact.

This filth denies that scientific reality and his delusions can thus be entirely disregarded, which is good, because you can save yourself from mountains of nonsensical text.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Every human being’s lifespan begins at fertilization as a matter of scientific fact.

NFBW: I do not disagree with that and have said so many times. so why is it a waste of time?

It is only a waste of time because MAGA white trash like you need to ignore truth to impose, right wing Catholic personhood from the moment of conception

on the rest of us, even though you are able to know that there is no scientific way to determine when personhood begins prior to actual birth:, when the fetus is no longer part of a woman’s body.

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[CarsomyrPlusSix]

^ KYS, racist fucktard

 

[NotfooledbyW]

KYS, racist fucktard

Do you ever have anything intelligent to say?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Every human being’s lifespan begins at fertilization as a matter of scientific fact.

This filth denies that scientific reality

NFBW: But I do not deny that scientific reality.

Like I told Flash a month ago.

Flash230118-#6,770 Flash • These Moon Bats don't understand simple Biology so they have no comprehension of the valid point you made ^^
^^
NFBW230118-#6,774 I understand the very simple truth, that every single individual human being who has ever lived on this planet, has a life that begins at conception. Immediately upon conception, the human living human organism gets attached to a woman’s uterus, and begins its development on the human lifespan, continuum. This continuum begins at conception and develops to a moment of viability then birth and then death. What else do I need to know about biology when we are contemplating the natural human rights of pregnant women in our secular society? ^^

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[Monk-Eye]

" Horror Clown Conformity Fantasies Demanding Deformity "

* Unintentional Flaws And Unattractive Hang Ups *

Imagine inhuman rotten filth that would need to evolve to be mere barbarians calling civilized folks who don’t sanction the murder of the innocent… calling other “barbarian.”
What dishonest, disgusting trash. They should be scraped off the floor and disposed of instead of just accumulating more filth and rotting further.

As a damned dirty hue mammon ape incriminated in blood with incisors and canines of veracious carnal knowledge , the sanctimonious malevolence fantasies to satiate with laughter within slaughter while exclaiming that may hymn ends justify the means are extremely over played .

The natural world of apex predators includes hue mammon apes and claims by its sanctimonious anthropocentric lunar tick religion of humanism pleading for absolution by its innocence are doctrinal contradictions and debauchery of candor with honesty in pure reason .

An abortion " without cause " means that there is not an expectation of an excuse , where an abortion " with cause " means that there is a valid medical justification for abortion due to developmental issues .

The mountain of filth and garbage and childish tantrum about limiting abortion " without cause " , " without necessity of excuse " , without addressing " with cause " , " with necessity by excuse " , is demented barbarism of illegitimate aggression ( violence ) against individualism with hypocrisy from a sacrosanct athropocentric religion .

The extent of " with cause " exceptions includes rape , because judges will grant visitation and custody to violent offenders , or includes incest because it is known to produce deformities , but the banal blather otherwise is to hell with anything else and aw natural determinism and oh gawd bless the pitiful - stfu !

Without governance , by natural disposition , abortions " without cause " are not sought when abortions " with cause " are valid , and yet anti-choice psychopaths , paranoid and disingenuous that " without cause " abortions will occur when " with cause " abortions are valid , have tactically joined the woke religion of secular humanism to cancel culture discussion of developmental abnormalities and individual liberty for its menacing dumbfounded premise that no " with cause " abortion is valid so as to outlaw all abortion from the point of conception .


* Ethos Of Guaranteed Nothing In Every Thing *

An inference from naturalism is that nature exists through principles which can be deduced as a'priori - Is an omnipotent , omniscient , omnipresence capable of changing the golden mean ? .

As a principle of monism relates a monad , as an identity element , as an infinitesimal , with a quality of infinitude , with neither a beginning nor end , with and identity set that is infinite , complete and bounded , while a quality of infinitude in an infinitesimal monad includes a geometry by number , while each infinitesimal is without a sophisticated physical state sufficient for self reflection and cognizance , while compactness of infinitesimals facilitates sophisticated physical states with self reflection and cognizance as given by empirical evidence , a principle of monism does not include determinism .

 

[NotfooledbyW]

CCJones230210-#1 C_Clayton_Jones • In Post-Roe World, These Conservatives Embrace a New Kind of Welfare • 230211^aa •••• “But here we see where conservatives are not only advocates of big government/more government at the expense of individual liberty by compelling women to give birth against their will through force of law, they’re also advocating for big government/more government to promote public assistance and welfare programs
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& & & &
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Monk-Eye230211-#7,253 • The mountain of filth and garbage and childish tantrum about limiting abortion " without cause " , " without necessity of excuse " , without addressing " with cause " , " with necessity by excuse " , is demented barbarism of illegitimate aggression ( violence ) against individualism with hypocrisy from a sacrosanct athropocentric religion .

NFBW: The two writers (above) are similarly HeyNorm situated concepts-wise for pinpointing two things in the wake of Dobbs:

(1) Great for Democrats. it will shelve Trump’s / Trumpism Cult’s not so subtle racist long running campaign strategy of branding all Democrats as out-of-the-mainstream, economy-wrecking socialists by using four junior Democratic members of Congress — all women of color — as centerpieces of the ideological political appeal to white grievance religiously Christian voters of the Republican Party like beagle9 .

2. It’s terrible and terrifying to gun loving truth and liberalism haters like the atheist Republican CarsomyrPlusSix to be a witness to the demise of the anti-freedom, anti-abortion wedge issue since Dobbs shook loose the boulder on the side of Mt FamVal Conservatism that has begun the avalanche slamming down hard on the reality that America is meant and going to be a Mecca for multi-colored multiculturalism that includes white Christianism instead of for white Christianity being numero uno.

FYI Monk-Eye ‘s quote is a response to this atheist’s hate-shit:

Cplus6230211-#7,246 • Imagine inhuman rotten filth that would need to evolve to be mere barbarians calling civilized folks who don’t sanction the murder of the innocent… calling other “barbarian.” •••• What dishonest, disgusting trash. They should be scraped off the floor and disposed of instead of just accumulating more filth and rotting further.

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[HeyNorm]

Poor barbarians. Hours of time wasted, and your still shills for slave holders.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Poor barbarians. Hours of time wasted, and your still shills for slave holders

NFBW: no waste of time HeyNorm - pro-choice barbarians and the Catholic Dobbs decision are helping to bring Reagonomics to the ……

……… ….. Ronald Reagan Presidential Library and Museum to be buried alongside him. It’s about time .

NFBW: Why have nine out of ten black voters HeyNorm during my lifetime voted with white voters like me who have rejected Reagonomics which is crumbs for the working for paycheck poorest slaves to the REPUBLICAN PARTY of white businessmen & corporate America ?
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CCJones230210-#1 C_Clayton_Jones • In Post-Roe World, These Conservatives Embrace a New Kind of Welfare • 230211^aa ••••
‘Sending cash to parents, with few strings attached. Expanding Medicaid. Providing child care subsidies to families earning six figures.
^^
EEFleegle230210-#2 EvilEyeFleegle • It's hard for me not to see this as a step in the right direction. •••• At the very least, it's a refreshing change from the attitude of concern for the fetus right up until it's born..and then vilification as welfare baby and an attitude of, that's the parent's problem once the baby is born~ •••• However, a person's absolute right to sovereignty over their bodies requires the right to terminate pregnancy, at least in the early stages. No matter how morally repugnant one might find it. We should give free rein to the 'morning-after' pill and early intervention, as well as free contraception. But I cannot find helping parents, especially poor ones, to be a bad thing. •••• I bet that there are many indeed on the Right, who do.

NFBW: Can you think beyond bullying insults of barbarism HeyNorm and let us know your actual thoughts on what Fleegle‘s thoughts as presented in post 0002. ?

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[CarsomyrPlusSix]

Poor barbarians. Hours of time wasted, and your still shills for slave holders.

Yup. I like this thread - it’s nice and clean, not a lot of text walls of nonsense. Just mind the rug named Show Ignored Content. Don’t dust that up.

 

[beagle9]

You’re half right.

Ok I'll drop the educated part then.. ROTFLMBO

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Sharpened Statements Portfolio Links "

* Puppets Peeking Rectified Cowards Ignore *

Poor barbarians. Hours of time wasted, and your still shills for slave holders.

Oh , due tell us ; how pronounced and bold are your faculties of independence from slave holders ?

Playing jester and practicing a religion to implement edicts and tenets of creed that are traitorous to principles of non violence and individualism imbued in us republic credo of e pluribus unum is about as enslaved as any could get .


* Myopic Egocentric Collectives Dictating Choices Entitled To Individuals .

The garble of elocution in enunciation of oration assures an easy escape for those guarding and cowering behind blinders with others , by assuring them that their feelings on an issue are more valid than any alternative perspective , and by assuring that statements for sentiment are not subject to direct rebuttal .

All while many exclaim a want of entitlement for privacy from dominating purveyors , many exclaim a want of entitlement for informed consent from dominating purveyors , however dominating purveyors are unable to control or capitalize on informed consent within free for all venues where populism can become overwhelming .

 

[beagle9]

You sure are running from questions.

HeyNorm Tell us how the Federal government under RvW for fifty YEARS was protecting unwanted fetuses from being killed, murdered, slaughtered .

HeyNorm230208-#7,218 • Your support of the killing of one, and the government’s protection of the other is illogical and barbaric.

NFBW: I support a woman’s freedom to end the development of a brainless human unwanted organism that is part of her body and you cannot tell me why you think the government was protecting unwanted fetuses under Roe v Wade because it does not happen ever.

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So you are for the unregulated/ignorant/unprotected sexual activity of humans, and to the point of them needing an entire killing program in place in order to try and clean up after their dirty immoral (don't give a damn activity), that brings about the unwanted (female and male not regulating their own lust), pregnancies created in which are then unwanted by the would be mother and the would be father who just needed a crack fix ?

Otherwise you are for the continued promotion of an uncivilized SOCIETY where dark thing's happen as a result of such a SOCIETY for which desires the wrong kinds of freedom's in which ultimately comes back to bite, and I mean bite hard.

How about changing the culture, and going back to a time when people had it right for the better part, instead of fighting to keep going down the toilet bowl faster than you can spit ?

No one is trying to be the Taliban here, but good grief use some dam protection. How hard can it be for these lust junkies with nothing on their mind's anymore but quick sex with no strings to take one second to put on some protection or take a pill or get their tube's tied etc ?

No better to have the killing factories on stand by eh ?